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== Tech Request: Print version ==
== Tech Request: Print version ==
Before i file a request, has the google adds on the print version of articles been up for discussion before? [[User:Sertmann|Sertmann]] 23:27, 8 November 2008 (EST)
Before i file a request, has the google adds on the print version of articles been up for discussion before? [[User:Sertmann|Sertmann]] 23:27, 8 November 2008 (EST)
:Thanks...we've removed ads from the print versions of the pages. [[User:JuCo|JuCo]] 14:48, 11 November 2008 (EST)

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The Travellers' pub - your watering hole on Wikitravel

The Travellers' pub is where Wikitravellers of all languages get to together to talk about Wikitravel, and where you can ask for help if you're confused, lost, afraid, tired or annoyed by Wikitravel. Please check the FAQ and Help page before asking a question, though, since that may save your time and others'.

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Admin needed on ES

Please see: for massive, ancient repository of linkspam. Didn't have the chance to look around at what is going on with that wiki, but this doesn't augur well. 07:45, 21 July 2008 (EDT)

That's been unchecked since July 4, but I don't see any evidence that it was more widespread than just that one page. I've updated the local blacklist with a catchall pattern and will keep an eye on the site, since it seems like all :es admins (myself included) have been delinquent this month. --Peter Talk 23:23, 21 July 2008 (EDT)

Expanding Templates

I see that some users have been discussing the need for a few new templates to fit the articles they're interested in writing....specifically along the lines of Major Airports and roadways. The topics they would open up sound great, have gotten positive feedback and could make for some valuable content. I’d like to hear your thoughts about this. Thanks! JuCo 15:35, 31 July 2008 (EDT)


Anyone mind if I replace "random category" with "Special:Newimages" on the left sidebar? I think it's a much more useful and cool function, and it would be nice to have a quick link to it (especially for people who don't know about it). --Peter Talk 20:46, 2 August 2008 (EDT)

Sounds like a good idea, all those random category surfers will just have to find something new to fill their time with – cacahuate talk 21:25, 2 August 2008 (EDT)

Admin needed on fr too

fr is getting out of control. Obstinate copyvio edits [1] [2] [3], inappropriate articles [4] [5] etc. Any fr admin out there? --Episteme 06:20, 4 August 2008 (EDT)

Nope. None of the fr admins have edited since June—even then there was very little administrative work going on. Do you think it's worth disabling anon edits? --Peter Talk 23:43, 4 August 2008 (EDT)
I'm reluctant as many anon users are well contributing. Semiprotection and/or block would be more effective. --Episteme 10:14, 10 August 2008 (EDT)
Would you be up to being an administrator :fr? (And maybe :it too?) That way you could take care of needed page protections & ip blocks while there aren't any fr/it admins around. That goes a bit against individual language version policy, since you are supposed to be nominated there, but perhaps we should go around that since these two versions have more or less been abandoned by their administrators. --Peter Talk 23:48, 10 August 2008 (EDT)
I humbly accept if any authoritative person(s) allow me to be. --Episteme 17:00, 13 August 2008 (EDT)
I could help out on fr: if I get the administrative rights. Also, let me know if the fr: admins seem to have left the project altogether, because then they should not have any admin rights on shared: Riggwelter 07:23, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

UN maps

Wikimedia seems to have decided UN maps are kosher for derivative works. Here's there blurb:

This image is a mapping derived from products of the United Nations Cartographic Section. Modified versions of UNCS maps may be used provided that the UN name and reference number does not appear on any modified version and a link to the original map is provided.

The UN maps is an open source material. You can use them to make your own maps. You do not need our permission for that. Please be advised that the UN name and reference number should not appear on any modified map. The UN map is a UN document and cannot be modified. You can say something like "Based on UN map number..." -- Vladimir Bessarabov (UNCS Cartographer), 13 April 05

Do we buy it? I made my map of Latvia partially with a UN base, and it was really useful. I'm not sure we should use a PD-creator template for those though. Maybe a "UN maps-derived" template would be better? --Peter Talk 19:39, 24 August 2008 (EDT)

I'll buy it, it's at least as free as CC Attribution (once the name/ref are removed). But yeah, a custom template would be nice. Jpatokal 13:10, 25 August 2008 (EDT)
Sounds good, I'll whip one up. --Peter Talk 22:20, 25 August 2008 (EDT)
Done. And I'm intending to leave it off the pulldown menu, unless demand for it grows. --Peter Talk 00:45, 26 August 2008 (EDT)

Special:Contributions failure

Today i see a strange radio button text on this page. I see a folowing html code (before both standard "Show contributions of new accounts only" and "⧼Ipadressorusername⧽"):

<script type='text/javascript'> <!--// messages= new cListingMessages({'tag-eat':'eat', 'tag-drink':'drink', 'tag-see':'see', 'tag-do':'do', 'tag-sleep':'sleep', 'tag-buy':'buy', 'tag-listing':'listing', 'attr-name':'name', 'attr-alt':'alt', 'attr-address':'address', 'attr-directions':'directions', 'attr-phone':'phone', 'attr-phoneextra':'phoneextra', 'attr-email':'email', 'attr-fax':'fax', 'attr-tollfree':'toll free', 'attr-url':'url', 'attr-hours':'hours', 'attr-checkin':'checkin', 'attr-checkout':'checkout', 'attr-hoursextra':'hoursextra', 'attr-price':'price', 'attr-priceextra':'priceextra', 'attr-geo':'geo', 'attr-lat':'lat', 'attr-long':'long', 'attr-tags':'tags', 'attr-description':'description', 'msg-save':'save', 'msg-saving':'Saving', 'msg-cancel':'cancel', 'msg-editor-title':'Add New Listing'}); //--> </script>

I maked sure that MediaWiki:Sp-contributions-newbies and MediaWiki:Ipadressorusername is not altered. What's happened? -- Sergey kudryavtsev 02:18, 28 August 2008 (EDT)

I get this too, see eg. [6].
I'm also getting weirdness on the edit page, with unnecessary linebreaks/white space before "This is a minor edit", "Watch this page" and "Cancel". There's also spurious whitespace at the top of the Recent changes listings. (Firefox 3 on Vista.) Jpatokal 09:40, 28 August 2008 (EDT)
This is a problem resulting from the localization of the listing editor. Turns out that the parser (and the associated hooks) get used internally more often than I realized, so the javascript block that passes the translated strings to the listing editor gets inserted in some awkward places. I'm working on a fix now KevinSours 11:11, 28 August 2008 (EDT)
Should be fixed now KevinSours 12:28, 28 August 2008 (EDT)
Now it's ok -- Sergey kudryavtsev 16:23, 28 August 2008 (EDT)

New fault

Today on every page seen (at :en, :ru, :shared) occurred a error message (sometimes once, sometimes twice) : "cListingMessages" - definition missing (this is my translation from Russian, a English message may slightly differ). NB: I use IE 6.0 SP1. -- Sergey kudryavtsev 02:55, 29 August 2008 (EDT)

I don't see this this morning. I may have to do with caching. If you don't have the new javascript (which is aggressively cached) then the cListingMessages class won't be defined. I checked and the javascript currently being served is correct. I did notice a different IE problem with the editor and fixed that. I changed the html so that the it will avoid loading the cached copy that doesn't have this mornings changes, but the html is cached as well so some pages may not pick up that fix for a couple of hours. If you run into problems please purge cache KevinSours 12:13, 29 August 2008 (EDT)

Uploading down?

Is anyone else having trouble uploading to shared? i haven't been able to upload anything all day Sertmann 13:10, 2 September 2008 (EDT)

That's odd, I had no problems. What happened when you tried to upload files? --Peter Talk 22:24, 2 September 2008 (EDT)

Is there a way to see a hit count?

I am not certain that that is the correct term. Can a user see how namy times an article has been visited? If so, does it show the count over any particular time period? Stephen sommerhalter 16:10, 18 September 2008 (EDT)

Even if mediawiki provides one its not going to be accurate because the cache system means that mediawiki doesn't actually see every hit KevinSours 17:36, 18 September 2008 (EDT)
thanks. The motive for my question is that, as a newbe to Wikitravel, I am wondering if there is a way to learn whether anyone is reading the articles that I'd like to contribute to.

New Server Setup on Review

The tech team has moved a copy of the site to new servers and it can be seen/experienced and tested over on the Review site [7]. This is a much-anticipated upgrade that should improve performance and help make Wikitravel a more stable and more scalable environment. This is an exciting and important step in the right direction for the site going forward. Like any upgrade, we anticipate some bugs so please do report them here so that the tech team can tackle issues before the site goes live on the new servers. JuCo 17:49, 18 September 2008 (EDT)

The correct url is ( this is actually a full up copy of the environment as of a couple of weeks ago and all language version should be represented and working. Ironically review is probably not working on the test environment. KevinSours 19:27, 18 September 2008 (EDT)
I have posted a new bug report. I do not know if it is related to the aforementioned work. Riggwelter 07:09, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

New Server Transition Begins, September 24th

The tech team will begin the transition to the new server setup today. This will create some disruption in service to the site. Beginning immediately, the Search function will be switched to a back-up version that, some may notice, is less robust. Many of you may not notice a difference at all. This is a temporary switch. Full search will be restored after the transition to the new servers. Once the work on search is completed, which should be a matter of hours, the transfer of the site will begin. At that point, Wikitravel will become "read-only", meaning you won't be able to make edits. A message will appear on edit pages. This "read only" period will last for about three hours. When the site comes up on the new servers, the message will disappear and you will be able to edit again. JuCo 16:56, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

Justine, thanks for your info. This is the way it should be - us getting to know in advance what is about to happen. There is a new bug report which I have posted today, regarding another site slowdown. Has the server transition affected the site speed? Please take a look at the bug report and get back to us. Riggwelter 07:08, 25 September 2008 (EDT)
The bug you mention talks about that last 3 or 4 days. The new hardware has been live for less than 12 hours at this point. We'll need some time to assess before we can say anything intelligent about how things are going to go. I obviously hope we'll show some improvement (my testing leads me to believe so, but the reality is always has its own ideas) KevinSours 10:16, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

New unannounced file size limit?

I got an error message upon trying to upload a 2.3MB file today, saying that the file exceeded the size limit. That definitely should not be happening. If I remember correctly, the upload size limit was supposed to be 8MB, which is too small for a site that relies on complex SVG files. My Image:DC map.svg file is 6+MB and growing, and should be allowed on site so that others can use it. But a limit of 2MB would be outrageously low—many of our basic images are bigger than that. What's the deal? --Peter Talk 18:34, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Probably missed something copying the config to the new boxes. Give me a second to take a look KevinSours 19:36, 25 September 2008 (EDT)
That appears to be it. Should be fixed KevinSours 19:40, 25 September 2008 (EDT)
Out of curiousity, what is the new file size limit? – cacahuate talk 21:57, 25 September 2008 (EDT)
I set it 8M which was what was in the previous config. KevinSours 22:32, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Admin on Arabic Wikitravel

I have been doing some work on the Arabic Wikitravel, which is only starting out with a small number of pages, such as: ar:أفريقيا. It would help if I could delete pages and do other such maintenance tasks, so I am requesting admin tools. For example, there is some spam to delete: [8] I have been an admin for a while on English Wikipedia, so know what I'm doing. On English Wikitravel, I'm editing pages about Egypt. Aude 23:32, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

I think that would be helpful, I commented on Arabic Wikitravel Expedition, JuCo, can you make this happen, and then re-enable anon edits for AR since someone will keep an eye on it now? thanks! – cacahuate talk 12:33, 26 September 2008 (EDT)
Aude is ready to go. We moved servers today and weren't able to re-enable the anon edits but will do that in the coming days. Thank you! JuCo 20:29, 26 September 2008 (EDT)
Thank you for setting my user rights. I got rid of the spam and will keep monitoring changes. Aude 20:48, 26 September 2008 (EDT)

We've re-enabled anon edits on AR. Thank you, Aude! JuCo 12:52, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

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Burocrat on wt:nl?

Is there an active bureaucrat on the Dutch Wikitravel? --Rein N. 01:31, 8 October 2008 (EDT)

No, you might want to ask User:KevinSours to take care of whatever needs taking care of. If someone on :nl has been selected to be a bureaucrat, he can take care of that for you too. --Peter Talk 16:48, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
Actually if you can address issues to User:JuCo or User:Khoerling it would be better. My time is being taken up with other projects right now and I may not see things addressed to me on the site promptly. KevinSours 18:11, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
I've nominated you for the task Rein, please see Wikitravel Shared:Administrator nominationscacahuate talk 00:14, 11 October 2008 (EDT)

Logged in status acting up

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New Developer Online

Hello worldly travelers! I'm here to help. Cheers, Keith Khoerling 12:24, 9 October 2008 (EDT)

Hola, can you have a look at #Thumbnail shows up as gray box above Tech:New server bugs, and let us know what can be done... this still hasn't been resolved, it's quite an important issue... thanks! – cacahuate talk 12:34, 11 October 2008 (EDT)

Spam in ca: and eo:

Catalan and Esperanto Wikitravel are suffering from continuous spam [9] [10]. Please disable anonymous edits. --Episteme 16:33, 9 October 2008 (EDT)

Taken care of! --khoerling

US Maps

I just ran across this Public Domain source of US Maps: Specifically, Federal lands (parks and military bases) divided by states. Small images available in GIF format, larger ones in PDF format. Help yourselves. Gamweb 17:33, 10 October 2008 (EDT)

Thanks for that. I used that source for my Colorado map and then forgot about the source! --Peter Talk 14:32, 11 October 2008 (EDT)

bugs and feature requests

Can everyone who cares take a moment and glance through the open bugs and feature requests, some are quite old and, while shamefully neglected by those who have the power to fix them, may well have fixed themselves in the last year or two. Let's all help to keep the list as short and tight as possible, making it even easier and more alluring for IB to fix the real issues. I also propose re-merging the "backburner" ones into the regular category, or they'll never get fixed – cacahuate talk 04:38, 14 October 2008 (EDT)

Ok, I remerged the backburner bugs and closed a bunch more, any help with sorting out the feature requests would be much appreciated – cacahuate talk 02:52, 26 October 2008 (EDT)

Help with Image

Could some experienced users take a look at this image [11] and help make it work? maybe move it to Norrebrogade.jpg instead or something, as the issue might be with the "ø"?

It does seem to me like it's the ø causing problems, although I don't know why that would be. We do not have a tool for moving images; I would recommend that you reupload the file to Norrebrogade.jpg. --Peter Talk 21:28, 18 October 2008 (EDT)
The char '&' is also unusable in an image name. See 'Image:State&Main.jpg" for example. Opening this file results in opening opening "Image:State". --Rein N. 03:49, 20 October 2008 (EDT)

Feature request

I just wanted to moot this before i made a tech request. How would people feel about adding a link to English Wikitravel in the navigation box - I know it may be a bit ethnocentric, but I can say this with clean consience, since i'm not a native speaker :) The overwhealming majority of traffic seem to be stemming from the English version, so I really think it can be justified, as long as the link is not just called Wikitravel, but Wikitravel:en or something. Sertmann 22:15, 22 October 2008 (EDT)

Well, we already have links in the "other languages" box on this page for example, and in recentchanges there's links to all language versions. I feel like we have enough links already in the navigation box, and even though English is the largest version, I think it's biased to only add that one – cacahuate talk 01:56, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
How about adding a link to ? It's the same way as "Wikitravel Main Page" link in the Extra's navigation box. I can back to ja: by that link.
If you feel there are many links in the current navigation box, I'd like to make a help box and move "Help"/"Tech requests"/"Contact Internet Brands" into it. -- Tatata 08:05, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
I'm with Cacahuate on this—we already have a handy link to :en via the "in other languages" box. If anything, I'd like to remove a few items from the nav box, since it is long. --Peter Talk 11:24, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
Well it's no big deal, it just bugs the hell out of me that i need to press first main page, and then the other languages link to get back to wikitravel when I've uploaded an image - guess i'm just lazy Sertmann 23:26, 8 November 2008 (EST)

Searching Images

I have tried searching for images on the image search prompt and have never been able to find it that way. I would always have to resort to pressing recent changes. Is there some reason why this is the case?Paula 23:44, 4 November 2008 (EST)

The latest photo's are found by using the "Gallery of new files" in the navigation menu on the top left corner. If you want to know if there are any photo's of a place, yes, use image search, type in the place name plus check the square before image and Category, if they aren't checked automatically. --Rein N. 07:29, 5 November 2008 (EST) images

There are a ton of images of Russia (like this one) that are owned by, but for which the site has given permission to freely redistribute and to make derivative works, provided proper attribution (which seems to be simply a link back to their site). Would it make sense to create a template for copyrighted images requiring attribution, or should I just make a template for images from this particular site? --Peter Talk 17:55, 8 November 2008 (EST)

Tech Request: Print version

Before i file a request, has the google adds on the print version of articles been up for discussion before? Sertmann 23:27, 8 November 2008 (EST)

Thanks...we've removed ads from the print versions of the pages. JuCo 14:48, 11 November 2008 (EST)