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Admin needed on ES
Please see: http://wikitravel.org/wiki/es/index.php?title=Beijing&action=history for massive, ancient repository of linkspam. Didn't have the chance to look around at what is going on with that wiki, but this doesn't augur well. 126.96.36.199 07:45, 21 July 2008 (EDT)
- That's been unchecked since July 4, but I don't see any evidence that it was more widespread than just that one page. I've updated the local blacklist with a catchall pattern and will keep an eye on the site, since it seems like all :es admins (myself included) have been delinquent this month. --Peter Talk 23:23, 21 July 2008 (EDT)
I see that some users have been discussing the need for a few new templates to fit the articles they're interested in writing....specifically along the lines of Major Airports and roadways. The topics they would open up sound great, have gotten positive feedback and could make for some valuable content. I’d like to hear your thoughts about this. Thanks! JuCo 15:35, 31 July 2008 (EDT)
Anyone mind if I replace "random category" with "Special:Newimages" on the left sidebar? I think it's a much more useful and cool function, and it would be nice to have a quick link to it (especially for people who don't know about it). --Peter Talk 20:46, 2 August 2008 (EDT)
- Sounds like a good idea, all those random category surfers will just have to find something new to fill their time with – cacahuate talk 21:25, 2 August 2008 (EDT)
Admin needed on fr too
fr is getting out of control. Obstinate copyvio edits   , inappropriate articles   etc. Any fr admin out there? --Episteme 06:20, 4 August 2008 (EDT)
- Nope. None of the fr admins have edited since June—even then there was very little administrative work going on. Do you think it's worth disabling anon edits? --Peter Talk 23:43, 4 August 2008 (EDT)
- I'm reluctant as many anon users are well contributing. Semiprotection and/or block would be more effective. --Episteme 10:14, 10 August 2008 (EDT)
- Would you be up to being an administrator :fr? (And maybe :it too?) That way you could take care of needed page protections & ip blocks while there aren't any fr/it admins around. That goes a bit against individual language version policy, since you are supposed to be nominated there, but perhaps we should go around that since these two versions have more or less been abandoned by their administrators. --Peter Talk 23:48, 10 August 2008 (EDT)
- I humbly accept if any authoritative person(s) allow me to be. --Episteme 17:00, 13 August 2008 (EDT)
- I could help out on fr: if I get the administrative rights. Also, let me know if the fr: admins seem to have left the project altogether, because then they should not have any admin rights on shared: Riggwelter 07:23, 25 September 2008 (EDT)
Wikimedia seems to have decided UN maps are kosher for derivative works. Here's there blurb:
This image is a mapping derived from products of the United Nations Cartographic Section. Modified versions of UNCS maps may be used provided that the UN name and reference number does not appear on any modified version and a link to the original map is provided.
The UN maps is an open source material. You can use them to make your own maps. You do not need our permission for that. Please be advised that the UN name and reference number should not appear on any modified map. The UN map is a UN document and cannot be modified. You can say something like "Based on UN map number..." -- Vladimir Bessarabov (UNCS Cartographer), 13 April 05
Do we buy it? I made my map of Latvia partially with a UN base, and it was really useful. I'm not sure we should use a PD-creator template for those though. Maybe a "UN maps-derived" template would be better? --Peter Talk 19:39, 24 August 2008 (EDT)
- I'll buy it, it's at least as free as CC Attribution (once the name/ref are removed). But yeah, a custom template would be nice. Jpatokal 13:10, 25 August 2008 (EDT)
- Sounds good, I'll whip one up. --Peter Talk 22:20, 25 August 2008 (EDT)
- Done. And I'm intending to leave it off the pulldown menu, unless demand for it grows. --Peter Talk 00:45, 26 August 2008 (EDT)
Today i see a strange radio button text on this page. I see a folowing html code (before both standard "Show contributions of new accounts only" and "⧼Ipadressorusername⧽"):
I maked sure that MediaWiki:Sp-contributions-newbies and MediaWiki:Ipadressorusername is not altered. What's happened? -- Sergey kudryavtsev 02:18, 28 August 2008 (EDT)
- I get this too, see eg. .
- I'm also getting weirdness on the edit page, with unnecessary linebreaks/white space before "This is a minor edit", "Watch this page" and "Cancel". There's also spurious whitespace at the top of the Recent changes listings. (Firefox 3 on Vista.) Jpatokal 09:40, 28 August 2008 (EDT)
- Should be fixed now KevinSours 12:28, 28 August 2008 (EDT)
- Now it's ok -- Sergey kudryavtsev 16:23, 28 August 2008 (EDT)
Today on every page seen (at :en, :ru, :shared) occurred a error message (sometimes once, sometimes twice) : "cListingMessages" - definition missing (this is my translation from Russian, a English message may slightly differ).
NB: I use IE 6.0 SP1. -- Sergey kudryavtsev 02:55, 29 August 2008 (EDT)
Is anyone else having trouble uploading to shared? i haven't been able to upload anything all day Sertmann 13:10, 2 September 2008 (EDT)
- That's odd, I had no problems. What happened when you tried to upload files? --Peter Talk 22:24, 2 September 2008 (EDT)
Is there a way to see a hit count?
I am not certain that that is the correct term. Can a user see how namy times an article has been visited? If so, does it show the count over any particular time period? Stephen sommerhalter 16:10, 18 September 2008 (EDT)
- Even if mediawiki provides one its not going to be accurate because the cache system means that mediawiki doesn't actually see every hit KevinSours 17:36, 18 September 2008 (EDT)
- thanks. The motive for my question is that, as a newbe to Wikitravel, I am wondering if there is a way to learn whether anyone is reading the articles that I'd like to contribute to.
New Server Setup on Review
The tech team has moved a copy of the site to new servers and it can be seen/experienced and tested over on the Review site . This is a much-anticipated upgrade that should improve performance and help make Wikitravel a more stable and more scalable environment. This is an exciting and important step in the right direction for the site going forward. Like any upgrade, we anticipate some bugs so please do report them here so that the tech team can tackle issues before the site goes live on the new servers. JuCo 17:49, 18 September 2008 (EDT)
- The correct url is (http://test.wikitravel.org/en/Main_Page) this is actually a full up copy of the environment as of a couple of weeks ago and all language version should be represented and working. Ironically review is probably not working on the test environment. KevinSours 19:27, 18 September 2008 (EDT)
- I have posted a new bug report. I do not know if it is related to the aforementioned work. Riggwelter 07:09, 25 September 2008 (EDT)
New Server Transition Begins, September 24th
The tech team will begin the transition to the new server setup today. This will create some disruption in service to the site. Beginning immediately, the Search function will be switched to a back-up version that, some may notice, is less robust. Many of you may not notice a difference at all. This is a temporary switch. Full search will be restored after the transition to the new servers. Once the work on search is completed, which should be a matter of hours, the transfer of the site will begin. At that point, Wikitravel will become "read-only", meaning you won't be able to make edits. A message will appear on edit pages. This "read only" period will last for about three hours. When the site comes up on the new servers, the message will disappear and you will be able to edit again. JuCo 16:56, 24 September 2008 (EDT)
- Justine, thanks for your info. This is the way it should be - us getting to know in advance what is about to happen. There is a new bug report which I have posted today, regarding another site slowdown. Has the server transition affected the site speed? Please take a look at the bug report and get back to us. Riggwelter 07:08, 25 September 2008 (EDT)
- The bug you mention talks about that last 3 or 4 days. The new hardware has been live for less than 12 hours at this point. We'll need some time to assess before we can say anything intelligent about how things are going to go. I obviously hope we'll show some improvement (my testing leads me to believe so, but the reality is always has its own ideas) KevinSours 10:16, 25 September 2008 (EDT)
New unannounced file size limit?
I got an error message upon trying to upload a 2.3MB file today, saying that the file exceeded the size limit. That definitely should not be happening. If I remember correctly, the upload size limit was supposed to be 8MB, which is too small for a site that relies on complex SVG files. My Image:DC map.svg file is 6+MB and growing, and should be allowed on site so that others can use it. But a limit of 2MB would be outrageously low—many of our basic images are bigger than that. What's the deal? --Peter Talk 18:34, 25 September 2008 (EDT)
- Probably missed something copying the config to the new boxes. Give me a second to take a look KevinSours 19:36, 25 September 2008 (EDT)
- That appears to be it. Should be fixed KevinSours 19:40, 25 September 2008 (EDT)
- Out of curiousity, what is the new file size limit? – cacahuate talk 21:57, 25 September 2008 (EDT)
- I set it 8M which was what was in the previous config. KevinSours 22:32, 25 September 2008 (EDT)
Admin on Arabic Wikitravel
I have been doing some work on the Arabic Wikitravel, which is only starting out with a small number of pages, such as: ar:أفريقيا. It would help if I could delete pages and do other such maintenance tasks, so I am requesting admin tools. For example, there is some spam to delete:  I have been an admin for a while on English Wikipedia, so know what I'm doing. On English Wikitravel, I'm editing pages about Egypt. Aude 23:32, 25 September 2008 (EDT)
- I think that would be helpful, I commented on Arabic Wikitravel Expedition, JuCo, can you make this happen, and then re-enable anon edits for AR since someone will keep an eye on it now? thanks! – cacahuate talk 12:33, 26 September 2008 (EDT)
- Aude is ready to go. We moved servers today and weren't able to re-enable the anon edits but will do that in the coming days. Thank you! JuCo 20:29, 26 September 2008 (EDT)
- Thank you for setting my user rights. I got rid of the spam and will keep monitoring changes. Aude 20:48, 26 September 2008 (EDT)
We've re-enabled anon edits on AR. Thank you, Aude! JuCo 12:52, 29 September 2008 (EDT)
Anonymous users IPs changing
Has anyone else noticed this? The IP address recorded on edits on :En seems to be incorrect and jumps to a new IP for a while before the proper one is finally recorded. Seems to be just since the server change. --OldPine 13:16, 26 September 2008 (EDT)
- Determining the user IP is actually a fairly tricky thing to get right -- its almost certainly related to the new servers. However, I'm not clear on what behavior you are observing when you say "seems to be incorrect and jumps to a new IP for a while". I looked at the recent changes on en. While its impossible to tell if the IP addresses are right, they didn't appear to be any of the "wrong" ones that I'd expect (they're all valid ip addresses outside of our network). A specific example of a wrong IP address would be very helpful KevinSours 13:33, 26 September 2008 (EDT)
See this history: ]. The last 7 edits (after 12:46) were all made by me from the same computer, probably 188.8.131.52. It's a stable IP connection. I am also seeing anon users today clearly having the IP jump around. It's obvious on the recent changes log. OldPine 13:54, 26 September 2008 (EDT)
- Not sure if this is related, but I did notice when patrolling yesterday that there were an unusual amount of what appeared to be dynamic ip's... see Lahore for an example. Normally when I see dynamic ips it's just the last couple #'s that change, but this seems to be assigning entirely new ones with each edit... is there anyway that this would be happening through our servers and not their isp? – cacahuate talk 14:06, 26 September 2008 (EDT)
- Something is not right with the X-FORWARDED-FOR header. Unfortunately there could be a lot of places where this is getting messed up. This is going to take a while to troubleshoot. KevinSours 15:06, 26 September 2008 (EDT)
- I also observed strange edit history in ja.  All of the anon edits here seem to be done by the same user (because edit interval is so short), but the IP addresses vary so much. An IP address of a Japanese company (probably the user's real IP address) and other various IP addresses (USA, Ireland, Switzerland, Malaysia, India...) appear almost alternately. --Episteme 15:43, 26 September 2008 (EDT)
Configuration problem with the load balancer. Should be resolved KevinSours 20:13, 26 September 2008 (EDT)
For some strange reason, Peter cannot access Shared at all for the last 24 hours, but can access En fine... any thoughts on this? – cacahuate talk 16:50, 27 September 2008 (EDT)
- Hmm, I can access it in Internet Explorer, but not in Firefox. I tried clearing my browser cache, but that did not help. --Peter Talk 18:09, 27 September 2008 (EDT)
- I take that back, as soon as I logged in and submitted that edit, I became again unable to access Shared. The only thing that works is clearing all Wikitravel cookies. So have I been blocked from using Shared? --Peter 23:01, 27 September 2008 (EDT)
- Currently, I can access Shared except for Multilingual statistics. Is anyone else having trouble viewing that page? --184.108.40.206 05:21, 28 September 2008 (EDT)
I just got this same mystery disease as well. Can't see or do anything on shared from my Windows box, but anon from Linux works... 220.127.116.11 11:52, 28 September 2008 (EDT) (Jpatokal)
- Now it happens each time I try to access Multilingual statistics, and I can "fix" it by deleting my Wikitravel cookie. But I hate throwing out cookies, and I want to check the multilingual statistics—:ru should have surpassed :pl in number of articles, and I wanted to gloat over that. --Peter Talk 13:47, 28 September 2008 (EDT)
- Yep, me too... all is fine until trying to load MS, and then nothing works until cookies are deleted – cacahuate talk 21:03, 28 September 2008 (EDT)
I use IE 6.0 under Windows 2000. Currently, i can't access Multilingual statistics. But i can access a page history of Multilingual statistics. -- Sergey kudryavtsev 04:16, 29 September 2008 (EDT)
- This may be a solution for Multilingual statistics: 1) export with history into XML-file, 2) delete article 3) reimport from saved XML-file. Try? -- Sergey kudryavtsev 04:22, 29 September 2008 (EDT)
- I cannot access to some of the parts of Shared for the last couple of days, too (especially when I try to access the multilingual statistics and new image gallery). My browser (IE6) is always hanging up...--Shoestring 08:38, 29 September 2008 (EDT) (from ja:)
Old versions of articles
After the server move, I've been getting old versions of articles quite often. For example, if I look at the Pub on en: right now, I get this version, while when editing I get the actual latest version (this one at time of writing).
Anybody else getting this? Could this be related to server time and/or caching? Eg. the LtPowers edit above was timestamped as 19:33, 27 September 2008 (California time?), but the history shows it as 23:37, 27 September 2008 (UTC?), and the edits I don't see fall within this four-hour window. Jpatokal 23:54, 27 September 2008 (EDT)
- Sounds similar to what I reported here - Cacahuate (who is now having similar issues to Peter with using Shared, despite having used it all day just fine).
Thumbnail shows up as gray box
I uploaded a version of Image:Helsinki-Overview.png, realized that it was
the wrong one and aborted, then uploaded the correct version. But now the thumbnail shows up as a gray box, even though the full res link works fine. Problem in my cache, or do others see the same? Jpatokal 10:26, 29 September 2008 (EDT)
- I see it too, and purging the cache doesn't help. --Peter Talk 12:40, 29 September 2008 (EDT)