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Archive for Wikitravel:Votes for deletion acted on in January 2008. If you can't find the chronicle that interests you here, try Wikitravel:Votes for deletion/December 2007 or Wikitravel:Votes for deletion/February 2008 for things that may have happened earlier or later, respectively.

Dublin Airport and Dublin airport

Not an article (only huge airports get their own articles). Metaur 17:11, 9 December 2007 (EST)

  • Merge & redirect. Useful content should be moved to Dublin, and I think a redirect to the same page would be in order for both articles. --Peter Talk 00:43, 10 December 2007 (EST)

its not needed, all that information could be put (concisely) into the main article on Dublin - London Gatwick and City don't have their own articles Prof Jack 17:44, 10 December 2007 (EST) 17:41, 10 December 2007 (EST)

Delete. A redirect makes sense for something famous like Taj Mahal because someone might search for it, not knowing what city it was in. Dublin Airport isn't that famous, you'd need to be fairly dull not to realise it is near Dublin, and even then if you search for "Dublin Airport", the software is going to find the Dublin article automatically. Pashley 18:36, 10 December 2007 (EST)
Delete - What Pashley said. Texugo 19:44, 12 December 2007 (EST)
Redirect both. ~ 14:13, 17 December 2007 (EST)

Outcome: Deleted. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 11:23, 1 January 2008 (EST)

Tips For Safe Swimming While In Goa and Goa's Natural Wonders

More by the same prolific contributor. I've already merged the relevant material from the first article so it's ready for quick-deletion, but the second might have some stand-alone value. -- Paul Richter 20:35, 10 December 2007 (EST)

Outcome: both deleted. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 11:33, 1 January 2008 (EST)

Travel Slovenia

I would have usually speedy-deleted this one, but there seems to be a mood in the air that we should run the vfd process more often, so here it is. I'm pretty sure there is no use to this article beyond a travel agency advert. --Peter Talk 17:00, 13 December 2007 (EST)

  • Speedy deleted - Convince me why I shouldn't have. Texugo 18:46, 13 December 2007 (EST)

Tour guide

Conflicts with Wikitravel:Internal_links#Other namespaces ~ 05:11, 15 December 2007 (EST)

Outcome: Deleted. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 17:48, 1 January 2008 (EST)


A license reading expert should check this [1] out but it doesn't seem okay to me.--Wandering 11:32, 15 December 2007 (EST)

  • Delete. I'd say it obviously violates the intent of their "managed rights" license. For all I know a lawyer could find a loophole, but we don't want to play that game. I'd support speedy deletion. Pashley 09:09, 17 December 2007 (EST)

Outcome: Deleted. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 17:53, 1 January 2008 (EST)

Review of Related Studies of Java

per Wikitravel:What is an article? ~ 05:16, 15 December 2007 (EST)

Outcome: Deleted. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 17:59, 1 January 2008 (EST)


Conflicts with Wikitravel:Image policy#People in photos ~ 13:23, 17 December 2007 (EST)

Outcome: Deleted. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 18:04, 1 January 2008 (EST)

Buddhist Destinations in India

Created with 100% commercial/copyvio content from ~ 05:42, 15 December 2007 (EST)

Outcome: Deleted. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 18:26, 1 January 2008 (EST)

Image:India call center 1016.jpg

Conflicts with Wikitravel:Image policy#People in photos ~ 13:23, 17 December 2007 (EST)

Outcome: Deleted. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 18:28, 1 January 2008 (EST)


Copyvio (screenshot of ~ 13:23, 17 December 2007 (EST)

Outcome: Deleted. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 18:32, 1 January 2008 (EST)

Delhi to banglore

Per Wikitravel:What is an article? ~ 06:42, 17 December 2007 (EST)

As it stands, it is an obvious delete. Delhi to Bangalore written as an itinerary and using the itinerary template, would be possible. Pashley 08:22, 17 December 2007 (EST)

Outcome: Deleted. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 21:16, 1 January 2008 (EST)

Miramar Beach

A beach of the state capital Panaji shouldn't get its own article per Wikitravel:What is an article?.

  • Delete Texugo 06:20, 10 December 2007 (EST)
  • It does not rate its own article unless, as on other Goan beaces, there are accomodations. I'm OK with a delete, but we should redirect to Panaji if the name is well enough known people that people might search for it. That seems somewhat likely to me since people navigate Goa by beach names -- Calangute, Anjuna, etc. Whether or not we redirect, the info on this beach goes in the "get out" section of Panaji. Pashley 08:09, 10 December 2007 (EST)
  • Redirect seems right. We should probably codify guidance (if it's not out there already) to do redirects for non-destinations with famous/well-known names. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 11:28, 1 January 2008 (EST)

Outcome: Redirected to Panaji. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 15:14, 2 January 2008 (EST)

Image:V go'-l-ikut fi.jpg

No image. Speedy delete?--Wandering 16:29, 18 December 2007 (EST)

Outcome: Deleted. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 18:58, 2 January 2008 (EST)


Licence violation. This image is licensed under CC-BY-NC-SA.[2]

  • Delete. -- Tatata7 02:07, 18 December 2007 (EST)
  • Delete. It's a pity, as it's a nice shot and it would be good to be able to use more things like this from flickr, but the non-commercial verbiage is a show stopper. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 18:51, 2 January 2008 (EST)

Outcome: Deleted. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 20:43, 2 January 2008 (EST)

Image:Logo 73df2c.jpg

Copyvio ~ 13:23, 17 December 2007 (EST)

See also subsequent related comments at Talk:Laurentides.
  • Delete. We don't usually include logos in articles, whether they're copyvios or not. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 18:42, 2 January 2008 (EST)

Outcome: Deleted. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 14:54, 4 January 2008 (EST)

Russian River Wineries

Not an article, could be an itinerary, but not listed as such and not developed since March 2007. Morph 14:45, 18 December 2007 (EST)

Outcome: Deleted. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 20:18, 5 January 2008 (EST)

Malaysian and Singaporean cuisine

I created this article way back in 2004 against some opposition, and after three years, I've come to the conclusion that I was wrong -- the Eat sections in Malaysia and Singapore both just keep growing. So I'm going to roll the content back into those articles, and ask that this be nuked. (Or maybe redirected to South-East Asia so we don't lose any Google/mirror/cache brownie points.) Jpatokal 08:24, 17 October 2007 (EDT)

  • keep. Singapore, in particular, has a foodie culture (or a food obsession) and the article is of interest to travelers seeking to understand what Singapore food is all about. It can, perhaps, be fleshed out with more information on where to eat (I don't mean specific restaurants but rather text that explains the 'food stall' culture of Singapore), but, even as it is, it is of interest.--Wandering 13:28, 17 October 2007 (EDT)
  • Merge and redirect. I agree the info is of interest, I think he's saying that he realized it belongs in the "Eat" sections of Malaysia and Singapore, and doesn't need its own separate article. He's moving the info there before deleting, it won't be lost  :) – cacahuate talk 03:02, 18 October 2007 (EDT)
I still think it should be a separate article. It is not necessarily of interest to all travelers but is directed at foodies. Why overload the Singapore article?--Wandering 10:38, 18 October 2007 (EDT)
I agree. Also, since it applies to both Singapore and Malaysia, why have two copies? Pashley 19:46, 18 October 2007 (EDT)
a) Because every other country on WT has its cuisine info on the same page. There was a whomping big "See Malaysian and Singaporean cuisine for details" link at the top of Singapore#Eat, but most of the content had been readded (and hence duplicated) by well-meaning contributors, despite my occasional crackdown attempts.
b) Because food in Singapore and Malaysia is not the same. Very similar, yes, but there are tons of small differences (and a few large ones, eg. "Hokkien mee" means entirely different dishes) that can only sensibly be covered on separate pages. Jpatokal 11:17, 22 October 2007 (EDT)
  • Delete. Provided content has been merged, I think this content should be directly on the country pages' eat sections, as it is for any other country article I can think of. Were the cuisines identical, perhaps we should keep the article, but I'll trust Jani's opinion that they are sufficiently different. I don't think a redirect makes sense, since it would want to point to both Malaysia and Singapore. --Peter Talk 01:07, 10 December 2007 (EST)
  • Question: Might it make sense to set up a class of Travel topics on cuisines, with this (or possibly one article on each of the two cuisines) as the exemplar? The fact that we've sat on this one for so long implies to me that we're uncomfortable with deleting it, yet there is no precedent to keep it. Let's discuss one last time, then make a decision. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 23:29, 22 December 2007 (EST)

Outcome: Deleted. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 16:18, 6 January 2008 (EST)

Como west

This needs to either be deleted or redirected (to Sydney? - I already did that, but it's been reverted), or else moved to Como West. ~ 17:29, 18 December 2007 (EST)

Outcome: Deleted. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 18:34, 6 January 2008 (EST)

Caledonian Canal

per wiaa#What does not get its own article? ~ 05:30, 15 December 2007 (EST)

  • Any chance this could/should be turned into an Itinerary? My wife and I cycled parts of the Caledonian Canal some years ago and had a great deal of fun, but I'm not sure a sensible Itinerary article featuring the Canal could be constructed. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 18:01, 1 January 2008 (EST)

Outcome: Deleted. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 13:29, 9 January 2008 (EST)

Patnem Beach

Another beach — NJR_ZATalk 13:19 Friday, February 22, 2019 SAST

  • Keep if you can sleep there. Travellers ask "which beach did you stay on?", not "which town", so many Goan beaches are valid article titles. Pashley 07:06, 24 December 2007 (EST)
  • However, lacking anything that says that this beach has hotels, I don't see grounds for keeping the article. I'd say redirect to Goa until somebody sorts through the beaches and makes real articles of the destination. Same applies for the next beach below. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 18:15, 6 January 2008 (EST)

Outcome: Kept & redirected to Palolem. ~ 10:32, 10 January 2008 (EST)

Sauble Beach

Another beach — NJR_ZATalk 13:19 Friday, February 22, 2019 SAST

  • Redirect for now; see previous comment. The pre-banner text was pure touting and has no business here. It does, however, establish that there's lodging on/near this particular beach, so it may pass the you-can-sleep-there test. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 18:19, 6 January 2008 (EST)

Outcome: Kept & redirect to Bruce Peninsula ~ 10:40, 10 January 2008 (EST)

Language tourism & Spanish language tourism

Both have previously been deleted at least once already.
Delete again? Or keep as Travel activities#Other activities? ~ 16:05, 17 December 2007 (EST)

  • Delete. I think I was the one to delete these earlier as non-articles. They are plausibly travel topics, but currently lack any useful information, just fluff. And I'm not convinced there is anything useful to be said on this matter, speaking as someone who does travel for the purpose of language acquisition. If you want to learn language X, go spend time in country X. Any practical information beyond that becomes a guide to "how to learn languages," which seems beyond the scope of Wikitravel to me. While language certainly is a reason to travel, I don't see a practical purpose for a travel topic about this motivation. --Peter Talk 20:55, 17 December 2007 (EST)
  • Keep. They are valid travel topics. We should keep them, as we do with many stub articles, and see if they develop. An article on the other side of language travel, Teaching English, was once vfd'd and is now a guide, almost star. Pashley 21:26, 17 December 2007 (EST)
There's lots they could cover: If I want to learn Spanish, what are the differences in cost, accent, etc. between Spain, Argentina, etc.? Which schools are good? In interesting cities? On good beaches? Which have courses specifically for business Spanish? Pashley 21:35, 17 December 2007 (EST)
Fair enough, I might have been being shortsighted. I think the generic Language tourism should be delimited, though, to a basic index of specific language tourism articles (which right now only includes the stub Spanish one). I suppose I could cobble together a decent article of this nature for Russian.
Only one other point, though—I don't like the name "Language Tourism," as it seems neo-logismy to me. Wouldn't Learning Spanish abroad be better? --Peter Talk 22:05, 17 December 2007 (EST)
I like Learning Spanish abroad much better as well. Tourism is one reason to travel, language learning is another. Texugo 23:09, 17 December 2007 (EST)
Surely a single-item "Language tourism" index should be a sub-section of the relevent "Travel topics" index, at least until it grows too long to fit there.
How about redirecting Language tourism to a "Learning languages abroad" section on the Travel activities page? ~ 01:10, 18 December 2007 (EST)
Sounds good to me. --Peter Talk 01:30, 18 December 2007 (EST)
Me too.Texugo 01:56, 18 December 2007 (EST)
Me three.Pashley 02:27, 18 December 2007 (EST)
Done. ~ 15:32, 18 December 2007 (EST)

Outcome: Kept & redirected. ~ 10:54, 10 January 2008 (EST)


This is a single temple which I feel doesn't match our Wikitravel:What is an article policy.

  • Delete Texugo 00:33, 19 December 2007 (EST)
  • Keep. It is an island town with a temple that is (apparently) an important pilgrimage site. There is at least one place to stay [3], perhaps more.--Wandering 09:48, 19 December 2007 (EST)
Quick check (LP India) reveals three additional places to stay on the island and a couple of other interesting sights too. Would love to go there!--Wandering 10:31, 19 December 2007 (EST)
Hmm, yes you are right. However... Is Omkareshwar the actual name of the village? What about the other big temple served by the facilities on this island? I considered a redirect to an article for the island itself, but I can't be sure what the name of that is either. Texugo 22:34, 21 December 2007 (EST)
  • Keep. It is definitely the name of the place – cacahuate talk 16:48, 29 December 2007 (EST)

Outcome: Kept ~ 11:03, 10 January 2008 (EST)

Guia de turismo de Miami

Linkspammer created ~ 14:29, 11 January 2008 (EST)

Outcome: Speedy delete since it is a sentence in Spanish which is unlikely to be searched for by an English language user. -- Colin 14:35, 11 January 2008 (EST)

Orange county gangs

Vandal-created ~ 16:21, 14 January 2008 (EST)

Outcome: Speedy deleted --Nick 10:09, 15 January 2008 (EST)


Conflicts with Wikitravel:Image policy#People in photos ~ 11:56, 19 December 2007 (EST)

  • Delete. --Wandering 12:01, 19 December 2007 (EST)
  • Delete. 2old 12:24, 19 December 2007 (EST)

Outcome: Deleted --Nick 10:09, 15 January 2008 (EST)


Conflicts with Wikitravel:Image policy#People in photos ~ 12:08, 19 December 2007 (EST)

  • Delete. 2old 12:29, 19 December 2007 (EST)
  • Delete --Wandering 12:37, 19 December 2007 (EST)

Outcome: Deleted --Nick 10:17, 15 January 2008 (EST)


Conflicts with Wikitravel:Image policy#People in photos ~ 12:08, 19 December 2007 (EST)

  • Delete. 2old 12:30, 19 December 2007 (EST)
  • Delete. Though 'recognizable' is a strong word here! --Wandering 12:37, 19 December 2007 (EST)

Outcome: Deleted --Nick 10:23, 15 January 2008 (EST)


Conflicts with Wikitravel:Image policy#People in photos ~ 12:08, 19 December 2007 (EST)

  • Delete. 2old 12:31, 19 December 2007 (EST)
  • Delete. --Wandering 12:37, 19 December 2007 (EST)

Outcome: Deleted --Nick 12:59, 15 January 2008 (EST)

Image:Foot Ball Sialkot.jpg

Conflicts with Wikitravel:Image policy#People in photos ~ 04:19, 21 December 2007 (EST)

Outcome: Deleted --Nick 13:13, 15 January 2008 (EST)

Image:Head Marala.jpg

Copyvio ~ 04:19, 21 December 2007 (EST)

Outcome: Deleted --Nick 13:13, 15 January 2008 (EST)


Copyvio ~ 09:06, 21 December 2007 (EST)

Outcome: Deleted --Nick 13:13, 15 January 2008 (EST)

User talk:

All non-vandal content (two items, both from 2006) has been moved/archived [4] [5].

Thanks. ~ 10:45, 21 December 2007 (EST)

Outcome: Changed back to standard anon talk message --Nick 03:41, 16 January 2008 (EST)


Copyvio - ? ~ 01:26, 23 December 2007 (EST)

Outcome: Deleted --Nick 02:01, 17 January 2008 (EST)

Image:MTR routemap.jpg

Copyvio - ~ 01:04, 23 December 2007 (EST)

Outcome: Deleted --Nick 02:37, 17 January 2008 (EST)


No license specified; {{dont know}} tag for over 4 months. ~ 18:04, 23 December 2007 (EST)

Duplicates shared:Image:Diecaishan.jpg ~ 18:18, 23 December 2007 (EST)

Outcome: Deleted --Nick 09:47, 17 January 2008 (EST)

Image:Justine for wiki.JPG

Conflicts with Wikitravel:Image policy#People in photos ~ 13:06, 25 December 2007 (EST)

  • "Delete".--Wandering 16:09, 2 January 2008 (EST)

Outcome: Deleted --Nick 10:02, 17 January 2008 (EST)