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* A feature, not a place --[[User:NJR ZA|NJR_ZA]] 10:04, 3 December 2007 (EST)
* A feature, not a place --[[User:NJR ZA|NJR_ZA]] 10:04, 3 December 2007 (EST)
* '''Strong Keep''' Since the problem seems to be with the title, it's been changed to the [[Haor basin]], which is an 2.5 million hector area spanning over 7 districts in Bangladesh. The area is increasingly becoming popular as a tourist attraction and described by the Lonely Planets Travel Bangladesh Guide as one of the most spectacular sites in Bangladesh. The term ''Haor area'' or ''Bhati elaka'' is more often used to refer to the area than the ''Haor basin'', but it would be more accurate at that. A mistaken title is not a reason to delete. It rather may be a reason for a move. [[User:Aditya Kabir|Aditya Kabir]] 09:02, 4 December 2007 (EST)

Revision as of 14:06, 4 December 2007

This page contains lists of articles and images which are recommended for deletion. Any Wikitraveller can recommend an article or image for deletion, and any Wikitraveller can comment on the deletion nomination. Articles and images are presumed guilty until proven innocent. After fourteen (14) days of discussion, if a consensus is reached to retain an article, it won't be deleted. Otherwise it will be deleted by an administrator. Please read the Nominating and Commenting sections prior to nominating articles/images or commenting on nominations.

See also:


The basic format for a deletion nomination is the following:

* Delete.  Not a valid travel article topic. ~~~~

Please follow these steps when nominating an article or image for deletion:

  1. First read the deletion policy and verify that the article or image really is a candidate for deletion. If you are unsure, bring up the issue on the talk page.
  2. For the article or image being proposed for deletion, add a {{vfd}} tag to the top of the article so that people viewing the article will know that it is proposed for deletion.
  3. Add a link to the article or image at the end of the list below, along with the reason why it is being listed for deletion. Sign your vote using four tildes ("~~~~"). List one article or image per entry.
  4. If you're nominating an image for deletion, make sure it's actually located on the English Wikitravel... many images are located on Wikitravel Shared, in which case they should be nominated for deletion over there instead.


All Wikitravellers are asked to state their opinion about articles and images listed for deletion. The format for comments is:

* '''Delete'''.  Not a valid travel article topic. TravelNut 25:25, 31 Feb 2525 (EDT)
* '''Keep'''.  There is a town in [[Alaska]] called Chicken. ~~~~

When leaving comments:

  1. First read the deletion policy and verify that the article or image really is a candidate for deletion.
  2. You may vote to delete, keep, or redirect the article. If your opinion is that the article should be kept or redirected, please state why. Sign your vote using four tildes ("~~~~").

Deleting, or not

After fourteen (14) days of discussion, there will probably be consensus one way or the other. If the consensus is to keep, redirect or merge, then any Wikitraveller can do it. If you are redirecting, please remember to check for broken redirects or double redirects as a result of your move. Remove any VFD notices from that page and copy the deletion discussion to the talk page of the article being kept or redirected.

If the result is delete, then only an administrator can delete. Check if any article links to the image or article in question. After removing those links, delete the image or article. However, if the image is being deleted because it has been moved to the shared repository with the same name, do not remove links to the images, as the links will be automatically be pointed to the shared repository.

After you keep/redirect/merge/delete the article, copy the deletion discussion to the Archives page for the appropriate month. The root Archives page has a directory. Note that it's the month in which the action was taken, rather than when the nomination was first posted, that should be used for the archived discussion; that way, recourse to the deletion log can lead subsequent readers right to the discussion (at least for the pages that were deleted).

October 2007

San Diego/Sorrento Valley

I don't know how this happened, but our coverage on San Diego is a disaster. There are far too many district articles that are almost completely irrelevant. I'm trying to restructure the coverage, so this may not be the only time you see me here with a San Diego article.

Anyway, Sorrento Valley is a suburban neighborhood located in north San Diego, and is the home of a number of corporate headquarters and "tech parks", but little else. There's nothing to do, few (if any) places to eat, and only a few motels, which could easily go into the Del Mar article, as it is practically next door (which I've already done with the one hotel listing in this article). PerryPlanet 13:20, 11 October 2007 (EDT)

Keep. I think. Could you point me towards your overall plan for San Diego? Maybe that will change my mind. The current structure was created based on a list of neighborhoods from the city's web site. I agree that it's a disaster, but I don't think that subsuming part of San Diego into different municipality (Del Mar) is the solution. I can try to add some dining locations (which I've eaten at) when I stay at that hotel in a couple of weeks. I'd rather see Sorrento Valley subsumed into a larger north San Diego neighborhood, but I don't know San Diego well enough to restructure things. --Jonboy 17:04, 11 October 2007 (EDT)
Basically, my plan was to run down the list of neighborhoods, keep those that have sufficient places to see, eat, sleep, etc, and get rid of the rest. But for these cases where there doesn't seem to be a whole lot in each neighborhood, I am totally willing to go for more regional articles, like "Northeastern San Diego". PerryPlanet 20:40, 11 October 2007 (EDT)

Rating systems

Present content indicates that it's designed to list rating standards for accommodation in every country. This content belongs on individual country or region pages, as Talk:Rating systems points out. Hypatia 07:56, 13 October 2007 (EDT)

Could it be merged into Hotels? That seems a better place for any overview material. Pashley 04:07, 19 November 2007 (EST)

Malaysian and Singaporean cuisine

I created this article way back in 2004 against some opposition, and after three years, I've come to the conclusion that I was wrong -- the Eat sections in Malaysia and Singapore both just keep growing. So I'm going to roll the content back into those articles, and ask that this be nuked. (Or maybe redirected to South-East Asia so we don't lose any Google/mirror/cache brownie points.) Jpatokal 08:24, 17 October 2007 (EDT)

  • keep. Singapore, in particular, has a foodie culture (or a food obsession) and the article is of interest to travelers seeking to understand what Singapore food is all about. It can, perhaps, be fleshed out with more information on where to eat (I don't mean specific restaurants but rather text that explains the 'food stall' culture of Singapore), but, even as it is, it is of interest.--Wandering 13:28, 17 October 2007 (EDT)
  • Merge and redirect. I agree the info is of interest, I think he's saying that he realized it belongs in the "Eat" sections of Malaysia and Singapore, and doesn't need its own separate article. He's moving the info there before deleting, it won't be lost  :) – cacahuate talk 03:02, 18 October 2007 (EDT)
I still think it should be a separate article. It is not necessarily of interest to all travelers but is directed at foodies. Why overload the Singapore article?--Wandering 10:38, 18 October 2007 (EDT)
I agree. Also, since it applies to both Singapore and Malaysia, why have two copies? Pashley 19:46, 18 October 2007 (EDT)
a) Because every other country on WT has its cuisine info on the same page. There was a whomping big "See Malaysian and Singaporean cuisine for details" link at the top of Singapore#Eat, but most of the content had been readded (and hence duplicated) by well-meaning contributors, despite my occasional crackdown attempts.
b) Because food in Singapore and Malaysia is not the same. Very similar, yes, but there are tons of small differences (and a few large ones, eg. "Hokkien mee" means entirely different dishes) that can only sensibly be covered on separate pages. Jpatokal 11:17, 22 October 2007 (EDT)

November 2007


  • Delete. Too fine grained. Hahnenklee is a very small town in the Harz Mountains in Germany. It is not a major tourist destination at all. Currently the article promotes only a small family pension. It is practically spam. 14:48, 11 November 2007 (EST)
  • Keep, at least for now. "Too fine grained ... not a major tourist destination at all" is not a reason to delete an article, if the place meets the you-can-sleep-there test, and it appears that this one does. Instead, clean it up and make it useful, or redirect it to something more inclusive. Might this place be part of an Alpine skiing complex? If so, is there a sensible "umbrella" article to include it under? -- Bill-on-the-Hill 18:25, 14 November 2007 (EST)
  • I looked it up again, it is not even a town. It is a small hamlet with 1200 inhabitants that is part of Goslar, a bigger town in the Harz region. The correct name is Goslar-Hahnenklee-Bockswiese. As in most of the small hamlets in the Harz mountains it is a tourist destination in the sense that it offers places to sleep for tourists visiting the Harz. If you want to keep the info it should be moved to the Goslar page. I fact, the German version of the wikitravel Goslar page lists the church in Hahnenklee as a Goslar tourist attraction. 16:01, 26 November 2007 (EST)
    • OK, then redirect to Goslar. One of the challenges in Wikitravel is that the terms "town," "village," "hamlet," etc., vary in meaning from place to place, making a consistent treatment of very small towns difficult. But I feel strongly that as long as someone may come here looking for info on Hahnenklee, the article name should be kept as a redirect, at the minimum. We do the same for far smaller towns than this one. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 09:40, 3 December 2007 (EST)


The entire article is "ok". I am not too familiar with the guidelines here, but I'm assuming that having just two letters would make the article a candidate for deletion. --The Yeti 11:32, 17 November 2007 (EST)

  • Delete. Not an article, can't think of a suitable redirect; would support speedy deletion.


Not an article, can't sleep there. This appears to be the name of a castle (thus, an attraction) rather than a city. Perhaps can be moved to a nearby town? --OldPine 15:05, 17 November 2007 (EST)

Image:Concept Plan for Lantau.jpg

It does not meet our copyleft. This image is "Multi-licensed under the GNU Free Documentation License, Version 1.2 or later and the Creative Commons Attribution Non-Commercial Share-Alike license".[1]

  • Delete. -- Tatata7 03:54, 19 November 2007 (EST)

Pagasetic Gulf

Thought about a speedy delete for this as it is a body of water (thus not a valid article subject), but was unsure if it was within my authority. --OldPine 18:17, 20 November 2007 (EST)

  • Delete, but you did right to put it through the process rather than speedy-deleting it. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 19:28, 20 November 2007 (EST)

Aegean Sea

As above, a body of water, thus, not an article. Has several links to it. -- OldPine 19:09, 20 November 2007 (EST)

Image:Sveti Stefan, Montenegro.jpg

To old to be of any use to a traveler --NJR_ZA 15:27, 25 November 2007 (EST)

System of government in mariana

Not an article. Avoided speedy delete since listing it here gives new users the opportunity to see why things get deleted --NJR_ZA 05:10, 27 November 2007 (EST)

Chateau de Curton

Single caste, not an article. Can anyone suggest a merge or redirect rather than deletion? --NJR_ZA 03:48, 27 November 2007 (EST)

  • Quoth Wikipedia: "The Curton castle is located in the area called "Entre-Deux-Mers" in Gironde (France), 30 kilometers east from Bordeaux. it is located in the north of village of Daignac at the border of the village of Tizac-de-Curton, whose name comes from the first Lords of Curton." That article also says that a self-catering apartment is available for rental there, so it does pass the you-can-sleep-there test, after a fashion. Accordingly, keep until somebody comes up with the appropriate redirect, although merge/redirect is probably the correct long-term solution. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 12:33, 3 December 2007 (EST)

Italy resturants‎

Per Wikitravel:What is an article? ~ 10:50, 28 November 2007 (EST)

Six Flags Magic Mountain

Per Wikitravel:What is an article?. Unlike Disneyland and some other parks, Six Flags Parks are not full resorts, offering no on-site accommodation.

  • Delete - Texugo 01:15, 29 November 2007 (EST)
  • Is it well enough known that we should have a redirect from this title, or from Magic Mountain, to Valencia? We do this for things like Taj Mahal for people who might know the attraction name but not know where it is. Pashley 06:24, 29 November 2007 (EST)
  • It's fairly well-known in the Cali-Nevada-Arizona area I suppose, but certainly not on world-fame par with Disneyland. A redirect wouldn't bother me. My point is that Six Flags has literally dozens of amusement parks all over North America and we don't have (or need) articles for any of the others, not even the flagship Texas location. Plus the article has a lot of pretty useless information. What use to the traveller is it to have a list of every t-shirt and stuffed animal shop and every vendor in the amusement park? Texugo 22:12, 29 November 2007 (EST)
  • Delete. There are too many Six Flags parks across the US to tie this redirect to one area. Gorilla Jones 00:12, 30 November 2007 (EST)

Image:UA Mykolayiv.png

Coat of arms --NJR_ZA 03:41, 30 November 2007 (EST)

December 2007

Image:Maunaleo ~ Journey With Spirit.jpg

Improper license. Reads:My photographs are protected under International Copyright law and may not be posted in another webpage on the internet or used for commercial use without my express written permission. All rights reserved universewide. Mahalo! 2old 09:35, 1 December 2007 (EST)

  • Delete. 2old 09:35, 1 December 2007 (EST)
  • Delete. I've advised the poster (owner?) of the license problem, but haven't seen a response. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 17:35, 1 December 2007 (EST)
  • Delete. She'd have to remove her signature from the image anyway. Gorilla Jones 19:09, 1 December 2007 (EST)


  • A feature, not a place --NJR_ZA 10:04, 3 December 2007 (EST)
  • Strong Keep Since the problem seems to be with the title, it's been changed to the Haor basin, which is an 2.5 million hector area spanning over 7 districts in Bangladesh. The area is increasingly becoming popular as a tourist attraction and described by the Lonely Planets Travel Bangladesh Guide as one of the most spectacular sites in Bangladesh. The term Haor area or Bhati elaka is more often used to refer to the area than the Haor basin, but it would be more accurate at that. A mistaken title is not a reason to delete. It rather may be a reason for a move. Aditya Kabir 09:02, 4 December 2007 (EST)


Business logo, not useful to the traveler --NJR_ZA 10:27, 3 December 2007 (EST)

  • Delete Nice picture. Sadly, non-compliant.--Wandering 10:32, 3 December 2007 (EST)
  • Delete 2old 11:32, 3 December 2007 (EST)


Cellphone, can't think of a valid use on wikitravel --NJR_ZA 12:23, 3 December 2007 (EST)

  • Delete 2old 12:34, 3 December 2007 (EST)

Columbus/Short North

Re-district Columbus. Info merged to Columbus/Downtown Short North is about three blocks long. 2old

  • Delete 2old 14:28, 3 December 2007 (EST)

Columbus/German Village

Info to be merged into other areas as re-district takes place. Nice, popular, but very small neighborhood. May want to redirect also. 2old 14:28, 3 December 2007 (EST)

  • Delete 2old 14:28, 3 December 2007 (EST)