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Wikitravel:Votes for deletion

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This page contains lists of articles and images which are recommended for deletion. Any Wikitraveller can recommend an article or image for deletion, and any Wikitraveller can comment on the deletion nomination. Articles and images are presumed guilty until proven innocent. After fourteen (14) days of discussion, if a consensus is reached to retain an article, it won't be deleted. Otherwise it will be deleted by an administrator. Please read the Nominating and Commenting sections prior to nominating articles/images or commenting on nominations.

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The basic format for a deletion nomination is the following:

* Delete.  Not a valid travel article topic. ~~~~

Please follow these steps when nominating an article or image for deletion:

  1. First read the deletion policy and verify that the article or image really is a candidate for deletion. If you are unsure, bring up the issue on the talk page.
  2. If the article or image appears to meet the deletion criteria, do any preparatory work (like orphaning an image, or combining the article with one it duplicates) prior to listing it here.
  3. For the article or image being proposed for deletion, add a {{vfd}} tag to the top of the article so that people viewing the article will know that it is proposed for deletion.
  4. Add a link to the article or image at the end of the list below, along with the reason why it is being listed for deletion. Sign your vote using four tildes ("~~~~"). List one article or image per entry.
  5. If you're nominating an image for deletion, make sure it's actually located on the English Wikitravel... many images are located on Wikitravel Shared, in which case they should be nominated for deletion over there instead.


All Wikitravellers are asked to state their opinion about articles and images listed for deletion. The format for comments is:

* '''Delete'''.  Not a valid travel article topic. TravelNut 25:25, 31 Feb 2525 (EDT)
* '''Keep'''.  There is a town in [[Alaska]] called Chicken. ~~~~

When leaving comments:

  1. First read the deletion policy and verify that the article or image really is a candidate for deletion.
  2. You may vote to delete, keep, or redirect the article. If your opinion is that the article should be kept or redirected, please state why. Sign your vote using four tildes ("~~~~").

Deleting, or not

After fourteen (14) days of discussion, there will probably be consensus one way or the other. If the consensus is to keep, redirect or merge, then any Wikitraveller can do it. If you are redirecting, please remember to check for broken redirects or double redirects as a result of your move. Remove any VFD notices from that page and copy the deletion discussion to the talk page of the article being kept or redirected.

If the result is delete, then only an administrator can delete. Check if any article links to the image or article in question. After removing those links, delete the image or article. However, if the image is being deleted because it has been moved to the shared repository with the same name, do not remove links to the images, as the links will be automatically be pointed to the shared repository.

After you keep/redirect/merge/delete the article, copy the deletion discussion to the Archives page for the appropriate month. The root Archives page has a directory. Note that it's the month in which the action was taken, rather than when the nomination was first posted, that should be used for the archived discussion; that way, recourse to the deletion log can lead subsequent readers right to the discussion (at least for the pages that were deleted).

July 2007

List of ferries

Pointless and unmaintainable. The information should be moved into the appropriate destination articles. Jpatokal 13:15, 26 July 2007 (EDT)

  • Delete. Seeing this huge amount of work pop up, and knowing that it would soon show up here, gave me a headache. --Peter Talk 22:44, 26 July 2007 (EDT)
  • Archive. I am travelling over the Mediterranean by ferry (Montenegro to Portugal :) and find wikitravels information really scarce. Id like to make a page Ferries in the Mediterranean, and link to it from every Mediterranean port. Then this page might come in handy. 15:23, 9 August 2007 (EDT)
    • Creating Ferries in the Mediterranean and linking to it from every port in the Mediterranean is no more useful than List of ferries. Ferries should be listed in the city and country articles they serve, but why would somebody in Barcelona need to know about Albanian ferries? Jpatokal 06:55, 22 August 2007 (EDT)
    • My plan for making this page has nothing to do with the list of ferries, it was just the first place where I mentioned it. And of course if you want to go from Egypt to Greece, you dont need to know about Albania, so thats why the page is ordered by sea. I was travelling over the Mediterranean, and noticed that the information on ferries was very limited. And for example, the ferry port of Rome is another city. You'd need inside information already if you want to go to Civitavecchia, whereas a page dedicated to ferries of the Med would lead you there automatically. Also some general info about ferries and companies can be gathered there instead of scattered between port towns. --
  • Delete It's pointless but I'd like to see something created like the above user suggested. Ferry lists for specific areas would be more useful than one giant list. Xania 14:36, 16 August 2007 (EDT)
  • I agree that this isn't an "article" in our usual sense, but somebody did a great deal of work to assemble this information. Delete, but not until it is verified that the information has been moved to the destination articles; there's no rush. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 11:13, 17 August 2007 (EDT)
  • I want to say keep here, though I think there'll be real problems organising the info well. If I'm in, say, Marseilles and want to visit the Greek islands next, what can Wikitravel tell me about my options? I dimly recall that there's a ferry to (let me think a minute ... Piraeus) from (thinking ... came up blank ... somewhere in Adriatic Italy, anyway), but where is it exactly and are there other choices? I'm not about to search 397 Mediterranean ports to find all the options. An overview page would be great. Pashley 02:47, 24 August 2007 (EDT)
    • And how will you find routes from (any Italian port) to (any Greek port) at Ferries in the Mediterranean if you don't even know what countries Bar, Bari and Bastia are in? If you want to visit Greece, you should head over to Greece:Get in:By boat, which should list all major routes into the country. Jpatokal 03:41, 24 August 2007 (EDT)
    • Right now I cannot find what I want in Ferries in the Mediterranean or List of ferries and, yes, it is in the Greece article. But as I said, I want to say "keep" here. I have a feeling that this could be useful as another way of seeing the available connections, if only it were organised better. Not sure how that could be done, though. Pashley 05:06, 24 August 2007 (EDT)
      • The Ferries in the Mediterranean doesnt pretend to be complete yet. If you know a interesting link which is missing, please add it. The reason why I started it, is because I wanted to go by boat from Montenegro to Portugal, and couldnt find a decent way of wikitravel to provide me with the necesarry info. Boats are one of the most sustainable forms of travel, so I think they deserve some extra attention. -- 11:43, 24 August 2007 (EDT)

Just to clarify my delete vote, I actually would have speedy deleted this if there wasn't so much work that had gone into it. A "List of Ferries" is as pointless and unmaintainable as a "List of Buses" and we have determined in the past that we should not try to maintain such lists. Moreover, having lists like this creates serious content overlap between whatever type of article this is trying to be and our actual travel guides. I see no additional value of some enormous list of ferries, nor do I see any potential value.

The only way I would support Ferries in the Mediterranean would be if there was something distinctive and useful worth writing about Ferries in the Mediterranean (i.e., if it were a valid travel topic). I don't think that there is and anyway right now it's just another pointless transport list. International ferry routes should be listed, as Jani said, in the Get in section of country pages. If anything, it would be helpful to merge any content in this list to the destination guides before deleting. --Peter Talk 10:20, 24 August 2007 (EDT)

please Peter, vote only once. Thank you for your clarification. -- 11:43, 24 August 2007 (EDT)
Here's more clarification. There's no such thing as "voting once" or "twice" because this is not an electoral process, articles are presumed guilty until proven innocent and a majority is not necessary for deletion. Nothing is decided on Wikitravel by majority vote, because that kills debate and consensus building. I strongly encourage you to first make your case here, rather than continuing to put work into an article that is up for deletion, as that work may well be for nothing. I also encourage you not to edit my posts, as that is bad form. --Peter Talk 12:00, 24 August 2007 (EDT)

Keep, merge the two. As per Wikitravel:Bodies_of_water#Travel topics Ferrying the med is a travel topic. Needs work though. -- —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talkcontribs) 16:37, 24 August 2007 (EDT)

  • Delete. Agree that we don't need lists that are impossible to maintain. Especially when this info already has a place, in the destination articles themselves. Anything that you want to possibly say on this page can and should be said already in those. If Rome's port is in another city, then there should be a line in the Rome article that notes that and links to that city. I definitely appreciate the work that has gone into this, it should be too much more work to move this info to the appropriate places... but it shouldn't be done pretty soon, articles are usually deleted 14 days after nomination, we're well over that now :) – cacahuate talk 20:09, 26 August 2007 (EDT)

August 2007

Chalkidiki/Greece anon edits

Everything by [1] and [2] seems to be a copyvio, and the articles they've created veer wildly from actual destinations to random Greek kings and philosophies. I've nuked the obvious crap, but this still needs a lot of sorting... Jpatokal 02:23, 25 August 2007 (EDT)

  • I removed one or two more that don't appear to include pointers to modern towns, but it looks to me as if the others at least point to valid destinations. Keep, but with some careful scrubbing for copyvio, as Nick and others have started to do. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 22:41, 15 September 2007 (EDT)

September 2007

Greek Restaurant Directory

per Wikitravel:What is an article? ~ 11:10, 30 August 2007 (EDT)

'Delete. At most this might become a link in the USA article. Pashley 01:32, 31 August 2007 (EDT)

  • Delete. I see no need for redirect. Gorilla Jones 12:00, 3 September 2007 (EDT)
  • Speedy delete. --Peter Talk 16:17, 17 September 2007 (EDT)

Wikitravel:Publicity rights

I don't really get the original intent of this policy, and despite its being around for 2 years, it has no content whatsoever. I think we should delete it and remove the reference to it in Wikitravel:Copyleft. --Peter Talk 10:50, 31 August 2007 (EDT)

Image:RV River Kwai.jpg

See and copyright notices at the foot of that page. ~ 05:58, 3 September 2007 (EDT)

  • Good catch. And even if there's any doubt, the picture isn't worth the risk. Delete. Gorilla Jones 12:00, 3 September 2007 (EDT)

San Jeronimo, Sopetran and Santa Fe de Antioquia

Per Wikitravel:What is an article? - content is "san jeronimo tunnel" ~ 06:38, 4 September 2007 (EDT)

Talk:Ko Pha Ngan

Essentially created in error, would be better to delete it now (and get rid of the confusing history which serves no purpose and has no value) while it still has no content and start again from scratch. ~ 14:19, 5 September 2007 (EDT)

Golem Grad

Apparent copyvio from a contributor who may be regularly copying content from other sites. The original content is located here. I have left him a notice on his talk page. I'm also not sure that this island meets our "can you sleep there?" test. --Peter Talk 18:20, 5 September 2007 (EDT)

Guantanamo Bay

Borderline deletion candidate. Most of the current content is certainly inappropriate, and it's a naval base not accessible to civilians, but if we've got an article for Wake Island then this just might squeak by... and yes, you really can fly "Air Sunshine" to Gitmo! Jpatokal 04:28, 6 September 2007 (EDT)

  • Keep. It is a possible destination for some travellers. It does need a rewrite, tone down the political comment without completely trashing it. Pashley 06:19, 6 September 2007 (EDT)
  • Keep. It is not a possible destination for most travellers. Because of that, we can afford a joke. It's funny, I hope someone expands it. --- Fridday 11:34, 12 September 2007 (EDT)
    • Sorry -- but we really don't do joke articles. -- Colin 13:25, 12 September 2007 (EDT)
      • We should. --- Fridday 13:35, 13 September 2007 (EDT)
  • Delete. Since it's not accessible to civilians and it's just going to be a magnet for political commentary, toss it. -- Colin 13:25, 12 September 2007 (EDT)
  • Keep. This is a possible destination for some travelers (I'm certain there are business travelers there) and it meets our standard criteria of Can You Sleep There. This article needs some constructive attention, though, and a disambiguation. The US controls only the southern half of the bay and its surrounding territory; the northern half of the bay is uncontested Cuban territory and is very much possible to visit. The fact that this article might attract vandalism is IMO a good reason to add it to our watchlists, not to delete it. --Peter Talk 13:37, 12 September 2007 (EDT)

San Francisco/Parking Meter 568 47610

A single parking meter does not constitute an article. Texugo 05:04, 6 September 2007 (EDT)

  • Laugh - Delete This one got me a grin for today. It needs to be archived in our funny section. I am not around much anymore, so I don't know if it is policy to blank a VFD page now, but I wish we could leave the content on this one while we discuss it. Sadly, delete, but I hope the author will stick around. We can use people with a good sense of humor. -- Tom Holland (xltel) 05:58, 6 September 2007 (EDT)
Speedy delete, but move the content into an infobox in the appropriate bit of SF first -- it's not your average parking meter! Jpatokal 07:16, 6 September 2007 (EDT)


Seems redundant, info for this location belongs in Sydney/Cronulla --NJR_ZA 08:54, 10 September 2007 (EDT)


Copyright issues. Marked as PD, but with comments that it is GFDL and the Creative Commons Attribution Share-Alike license version 1.0 and version 2.0. Origional at [[3]] is GFDL only. --NJR_ZA 09:22, 10 September 2007 (EDT)

  • Delete. --Peter Talk 16:17, 17 September 2007 (EDT)


A temple. Might be a village, but I have no knowledge about the area so can't decide if it should be deleted or templated --NJR_ZA 09:17, 10 September 2007 (EDT)

  • Delete. Should that be speedy since the content is an obvious copyvio? Pashley 09:45, 10 September 2007 (EDT)


A venue for a festival? --NJR_ZA 09:57, 10 September 2007 (EDT)

  • Delete. --Peter Talk 16:17, 17 September 2007 (EDT)

Tamarindo and Playa Langosta

Duplicate of Tamarindo, created by spammer after his edit to Tamarindo was repeatedly reverted --NJR_ZA 12:07, 10 September 2007 (EDT)

  • Delete. --Peter Talk 16:17, 17 September 2007 (EDT)

All images by User:Arvindsa

Copyright violations --NJR_ZA 14:35, 10 September 2007 (EDT)

  • Delete. --Peter Talk 16:17, 17 September 2007 (EDT)

Image:Linda 9'05.jpg & Image:Crystal-hands.jpg

Non travel related advert (though one might be tempted to use her services to find out where your luggage has gone). --NJR_ZA 14:48, 10 September 2007 (EDT)

  • I've speedy-deleted the first one (model release, etc.), and the second should obviously go as well, but I can't find a justification for a speedy delete. If you can, go ahead. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 22:26, 15 September 2007 (EDT)
  • Delete. --Peter Talk 16:17, 17 September 2007 (EDT)

Image:Reed Mine Panning.jpg

Requires model release --NJR_ZA 15:03, 10 September 2007 (EDT)

  • Delete. --Peter Talk 16:17, 17 September 2007 (EDT)

3 images by User:Phoenixjade

Requires model release --NJR_ZA 15:07, 10 September 2007 (EDT)

  • Delete. --Peter Talk 16:17, 17 September 2007 (EDT)

Images by User:Kristy

Copy violation ( --NJR_ZA 15:21, 10 September 2007 (EDT)

  • Delete. --Peter Talk 16:17, 17 September 2007 (EDT)

Image:Infinity.JPG & Image:Yatai.JPG

Requires model release --NJR_ZA 15:23, 10 September 2007 (EDT)

  • Delete. --Peter Talk 16:17, 17 September 2007 (EDT)

Some new pages in Nepal

    • A recently renovated stone hut does not a grand old hotel make. Is Chobhar a sensible place to merge all this to? Jpatokal 04:12, 12 September 2007 (EDT)

Image:Bled slovenia.jpg

According to the description, this was taken from the Slovenia tourism website, and I find it unlikely that pro photographers who go around taking pics from helicopters would license their images as CC by-sa 1.0. Jpatokal 13:01, 13 September 2007 (EDT)

  • Delete. Some burden of proof should be required in a case like this. --Peter Talk 16:17, 17 September 2007 (EDT)

Mountain Laurel Chalets

Should probably be merged into Gatlinsburg. Jpatokal 23:18, 14 September 2007 (EDT)

I assume you mean Gatlinburg, which already has a preposterously huge number of hotels listed. Just delete, as it's an obvious non-destination. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 22:21, 15 September 2007 (EDT)
Delete. Gorilla Jones 11:06, 16 September 2007 (EDT)
Delete. I've added them to Gaitlinburg under "cabins". Pashley 20:24, 16 September 2007 (EDT)


Clear copyvio, as the copyright appears on the image. It's a pity, because all Istanbul needs to become a credible DotM candidate is a map, but not this one. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 22:21, 15 September 2007 (EDT)

  • Speedy delete. --Peter Talk 16:17, 17 September 2007 (EDT)

Images by User:Vincentwansink

Image:SkylineDusk.jpg, Image:Railtown.gif, & Image:Edmonton Queen.jpg were uploaded without licensing info and they smell copyrighty to me. --Peter Talk 01:01, 16 September 2007 (EDT)


Copyvio - look at Commons -- DerFussi 07:14, 19 September 2007 (EDT)