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This page contains lists of articles and images which are recommended for deletion. Any Wikitraveller can recommend an article or image for deletion, and any Wikitraveller can comment on the deletion nomination. Articles and images are presumed guilty until proven innocent. After fourteen (14) days of discussion, if a consensus is reached to retain an article, it won't be deleted. Otherwise it will be deleted by an administrator. Please read the Nominating and Commenting sections prior to nominating articles/images or commenting on nominations.

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The basic format for a deletion nomination is the following:

* Delete.  Not a valid travel article topic. ~~~~

Please follow these steps when nominating an article or image for deletion:

  1. First read the deletion policy and verify that the article or image really is a candidate for deletion. If you are unsure, bring up the issue on the talk page.
  2. If the article or image meets the deletion criteria, do any preparatory work (like orphaning an image, or combining the article with one it duplicates) prior to listing it here.
  3. For the article or image being proposed for deletion, add a {{vfd}} tag to the top of the article so that people viewing the article will know that it is proposed for deletion.
  4. Add a link to the article or image at the end of the list below, along with the reason why it is being listed for deletion. Sign your vote using four tildes ("~~~~"). List one article or image per entry.


All Wikitravellers are asked to state their opinion about articles and images listed for deletion. The format for comments is:

* Delete.  Not a valid travel article topic. TravelNut 25:25, 31 Feb 2525 (EDT)
* Keep.  There is a town in [[Alaska]] called Chicken. ~~~~

When leaving comments:

  1. First read the deletion policy and verify that the article or image really is a candidate for deletion.
  2. You may vote to delete, keep, or redirect the article. If your opinion is that the article should be kept or redirected, please state why. Sign your vote using four tildes ("~~~~").

Deleting, or not

After fourteen (14) days of discussion, there will probably be consensus one way or the other. If the consensus is to keep, redirect or merge, then any Wikitraveller can do it. If you are redirecting, please remember to check for broken redirects or double redirects as a result of your move. Remove any VFD notices from that page and copy the deletion discussion to the talk page of the article being kept or redirected.

If the result is delete, then only an administrator can delete. Check if any article links to the image or article in question. After removing those links, delete the image or article. However, if the image is being deleted because it has been moved to the shared repository with the same name, do not remove links to the images, as the links will be automatically be pointed to the shared repository.

After you keep/redirect/merge/delete the article, copy the deletion discussion to the Archives page for the appropriate month. The root Archives page has a directory. Note that it's the month in which the action was taken, rather than when the nomination was first posted, that should be used for the archived discussion; that way, recourse to the deletion log can lead subsequent readers right to the discussion (at least for the pages that were deleted).

April 2007

Mesoamerican Barrier Reef

Similar to a body of water, which we don't do articles on usually. Dive sites should be called up in their nearest destination. We do however have an article on the Great Barrier Reef. -- DanielC 06:25, 29 April 2007 (EDT)

  • Keep. It should be classified as an itinerary, because there are dozens of sites where one can visit and study the reef. There are also several museums in local places near the reef that offer materials, and these could be listed in the itinerary. It is actually a natural feature (not a body of water) comparable in some ways to the Grand Canyon, because it is 700 km long, however most people don't know about it because it is entirely underwater. Also, because it spans the Carribean coastline of four different countries, it doesn't have that much of an international identity (except to marine biologists). It is the largest coral reef system in the western hemisphere, the second largest in the world. You can't really say "dive site" because it is actually the destination for divers in four different countries (Mexico, Belize, Guatemala, and Honduras), spread over hundreds of kilometers. "Mesoamerican Barrier Reef" (in quotes) brings up more than 18K Google links. HLM 07:04, 29 April 2007 (EDT)
  • We have an article for the Great Barrier Reef because it's a region of Queensland, Australia consisting of several islands, and a part of our geographical hierarchy. It easily passes the "can you sleep there?" test. It's not there to describe the reef itself, which is beyond the scope of it. The fact that the Mesoamerican reef is so large is actually an argument against trying to put it into a single article. People are most likely to visit just a part of the reef, using one or two of the nearby countries as a base, and those dive sites can and should be covered in the articles for those countries. I'm not opposed in principle to having an itinerary-type article describing the route one might take from one end of the reef to the other (if people actually might do that), but it should be crafted as an itinerary, linking to the destination articles that cover the coastline along the way for info about accommodations, restaurants, etc. - Todd VerBeek 12:23, 29 April 2007 (EDT)
    • You can sleep there too! Honduras in particular has three large islands on the reef, which are famed among backpackers who want to dive for cheap. Honduras is the poorest country in Central American, and often the cheapest. This reef system has another common name, the Belize Barrier Reef. It is recognized as a Unesco World Heritage Site. The scientific name Mesoamerican Barrier Reef reflects an understanding that the name Belize Barrier Reef isn't really accurate. Maybe Mesoamerican Barrier Reef should redirect to Belize Barrier Reef. But I can't believe that wikitravel deletes the names of Unesco World Heritage Sites while promoting names like Mayan Riviera, basically a travel agency invention. Furthermore, if you were describe the geographical features of Central America (coastal plain, cordillera, highland plateaus, etc.) then this would obviously be one of them. HLM 02:06, 30 April 2007 (EDT)
      • (I'd actually describe it as a feature of the Carribean Sea, it being in the ocean, after all. But them, this isn't a geography guide, so the question is fairly pointless.) The Great Barrier Reef article is an article about the above-water land in that area, not for the reef under the water. Similarly, we have articles for the Bay Islands because that is a region of another land-dwelling country. Wikitravel has a distinct air-breathing bias, I'm afraid. - Todd VerBeek 17:35, 1 May 2007 (EDT)
  • Keep, but move to Belize barrier reef since that's what Unesco calls it. We want the most common name; scientific precision is not particularly important. Scuba gear or snorkels allow this to be a travel destination for air-breathers. Link to it from Scuba diving. Pashley 22:51, 5 May 2007 (EDT)
  • Keep Important for the traveler and several places to visit. We should keep as a regional article. -- Tom Holland (xltel) 16:00, 12 May 2007 (EDT)
So what is it a region of? If it's a region of the Caribbean, does that mean we pull any coastal islands of Honudras-thru-Mexico out of those countries and put them in here? If not, then what is in it, besides water? The only other body-of-water regions we have were created for the sake of islands that had no other region to go in; there are no such orphaned islands in this one. Or, if it's not a region article, what is it? An intinerary... from where to where... and on what transportation? These aren't rhetorical questions; the topic is neither fish nor fowl, and I really don't see how to develop this Wikipedia stub into something that fits Wikitravel:What is an article?, or what purpose it will serve. - Todd VerBeek 20:21, 12 May 2007 (EDT)
Why does it have to be a region of anything? The purpose is to describe an area people (especially divers) might travel to. As I see it, if such description doesn't fit policy, it is the policy (or your interpretation) that is wrong.
If this region overlaps others, I see no problem. Other areas are on borders; is Lake Tahoe in California? Or borders are somewhat arbitrary; do you include Turkey and Egypt in Middle East? Or southern France in Mediterranean Europe? The geographical hierarchy is helpful both for navigation and for categorisation when you're writing, but it can never be perfect, it isn't scared, and it needn't be a major factor in choosing which areas rate a description. Pashley 09:44, 15 May 2007 (EDT)
  • Keep - I see no reason to delete this. It's a place tourists might like to visit so it deserves to be here. Xania 08:09, 27 May 2007 (EDT)

Carnival Conquest

Article about a cruise ship. Does not meet Wikitravel:What is an article?. -- Tim (writeme!) 15:13, 29 April 2007 (EDT)

Hmmmm. Just found this: Wikitravel_talk:What_is_an_article?#Cruise_ships -- Tim (writeme!) 15:15, 29 April 2007 (EDT)
Yeah, input on the more general question - and hopefully a consensus - is needed. This question has come up before and was never really resolved, and it's coming up again. - Todd VerBeek 23:04, 29 April 2007 (EDT)

Carnival freedom

Ibid. - Todd VerBeek 23:08, 29 April 2007 (EDT)

  • Keep. Cruises are a popular form of travel and this provides an unbiased opinion of one cruise ship 15:26, 30 April 2007 (EDT)
The question is whether that's enough to be the topic of an entire article. We don't have separate articles of that sort for hotels, for example. Please join the discussion linked to above. - Todd VerBeek 16:53, 30 April 2007 (EDT)

Carnival Elation

Ditto. ~ 02:09, 30 April 2007 (EDT)

May 2007

Mount Donna Buang

This was speedy-deleted on the grounds that it's not a destination, but being that it's a ski resort and we've kept other ski-resort articles, I've restored it and would like to see our rigorous process applied. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 10:09, 8 May 2007 (EDT)

  • It might be a free-standing destination, depending on how remote and how extensive it is. I assume You Can Sleep There™, but if it's within day-trip distance of Melbourne and/or just a single lodging, I'd put it as a "Do" item there and redirect. Unfortunately the article doesn't give any real clues, does it? - Todd VerBeek 11:53, 9 May 2007 (EDT)


  • Delete - has nothing to do with visiting the place, and makes the article look more like a Wikipedia article than a travel guide. – cacahuate talk 04:50, 14 May 2007 (EDT)
  • Delete -- Fastestdogever 10:26, 24 May 2007 (EDT)


  • Delete - has nothing to do with visiting the place, and makes the article look more like a Wikipedia article than a travel guide. – cacahuate talk 04:50, 14 May 2007 (EDT)
  • Delete -- Fastestdogever 10:26, 24 May 2007 (EDT)

Carbon offsetting

Not a travel topic. Stock spam text. Jordanmills 12:57, 16 May 2007 (EDT)

Carbon offsets actually come up occasionally in discussions about travel, so how about redirecting to Ecotourism? -- Ryan • (talk) • 13:12, 16 May 2007 (EDT)
Agree - redirect to Ecotourism -- Tim (writeme!) 13:14, 16 May 2007 (EDT)
Guess it is a travel topic. Redirect seems reasonable to me then. Not sure how to do that with the VFD message on there, or if it's okay to take it down now that I've posted it here. I'm sure someone can work it out though. Jordanmills 13:52, 16 May 2007 (EDT)
Delete. Pashley 23:14, 18 May 2007 (EDT)

Royal Tyrrell Museum of Palaeontology

Attraction, not a destination. Jordanmills 19:49, 17 May 2007 (EDT)

Clare County

per User talk: ~ 13:02, 18 May 2007 (EDT)


A kind of apple wine: not a travel topic. Article apparently created because someone left the name linked, Wikipedia-style. - Todd VerBeek 19:56, 19 May 2007 (EDT)

Moula Ali Dargah

I have no idea what or where this is, but it doesn't sound like an article. "Content" (I use that loosely) might be worth rescuing if somebody can figure out where it could go... Jpatokal 05:21, 20 May 2007 (EDT)

  • Redirect to Hyderabad – I copied the info (or something resembling it) into the Hyderabad article, where it belongs... it's not big enough to warrant its own article – cacahuate talk 17:37, 20 May 2007 (EDT)

Images by User:Kpvishnu

This user uploaded a lot of images, most of which appear to be copyvios, and none of which a license was selected for. Ryan left the user a note on his talk page last year, but the user never contributed again under that name. Many of them are tiny and not that useful anyhow.

Image:Htl Montebello.jpg

  • Delete. Uploaded without a license, image taken from this site. Also is an image of a hotel, which we usually don't use. -- Fastestdogever 12:54, 21 May 2007 (EDT)


  • Delete. Uploaded without a license, image taken from this site. Also is an image of a hotel, which we usually don't use. -- Fastestdogever 12:54, 21 May 2007 (EDT)


  • Delete. Uploaded without a license by the same user that uploaded the other two. Also is an image of a hotel, which we usually don't use. -- Fastestdogever 12:54, 21 May 2007 (EDT)






The following images were uploaded by User:Ajmalahmedkhan, who has previously demonstrated a limited understanding of copyright.

All other pics are also guilty by association and I'd be tempted to delete them to be sure. Jpatokal 07:06, 24 May 2007 (EDT)

  • Delete all. -- Fastestdogever 10:26, 24 May 2007 (EDT)
  • Delete and check text for copyvios as well. I already removed one section for that. Pashley 04:16, 27 May 2007 (EDT)

Cook County

It's time to seriously reorganise Chicagoland. It seems to me that these county articles might make sense in a guide for locals who know all about the county boundries, etc. however they are not terribly useful for the traveller. If the counties are mentioned at all it should be in a geographical exposition in Chicagoland.

I'm definitely supportive of not using counties as regions, but given the famousness of this one it might be worth keeping as a redirect. - Todd VerBeek 11:18, 25 May 2007 (EDT)
Famous or not the page has sat empty for several years, and I think it's a good part of why Chicagoland has been stagnant, since nobody has wanted to undertake a county-by-county exposition of the suburbs. -- Mark 05:57, 27 May 2007 (EDT)
Redirect. I'm from that continent but not that region. I've never been closer to Chicago than its airport. I recognise "Cook county" but had never heard of Chicagoland until I saw the page here. I think that means some people might search for Cook county, so there should be a redirect. Pashley 06:25, 27 May 2007 (EDT)

Kankakee County

The situation here is similar to that of Cook County above. There is no real information on the page, and all of the cities included are linked out from Chicagoland.

Image:Norwegian police officer 2006-06-06.jpg

  • Delete. Image of person without model release. Also not really illustrative. -- Colin 13:08, 25 May 2007 (EDT)

Image:Flores from the South East.jpg

  • Delete – covered with a huge logo for one of the accomodation options on Flores, and we've already got a similar aerial shot of the island anyhow. – cacahuate talk 04:22, 26 May 2007 (EDT)
  • Delete. Probably a copyvio as well. -- Fastestdogever 10:57, 26 May 2007 (EDT)
The uploader is the owner of the guesthouse in question, so I've put the image on her userpage and removed it from the Flores article. So, no need to delete  :) – cacahuate talk 01:59, 27 May 2007 (EDT)

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