Wikitravel:Votes for deletion

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This page contains lists of articles and images which are recommended for deletion. Any Wikitraveller can recommend an article or image for deletion, and any Wikitraveller can comment on the deletion nomination. Articles and images are presumed guilty until proven innocent. After fourteen (14) days of discussion, if a consensus is reached to retain an article, it won't be deleted. Otherwise it will be deleted by an administrator. Please read the Nominating and Commenting sections prior to nominating articles/images or commenting on nominations.

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The basic format for a deletion nomination is the following:

* Delete.  Not a valid travel article topic. ~~~~

Please follow these steps when nominating an article or image for deletion:

  1. First read the deletion policy and verify that the article or image really is a candidate for deletion. If you are unsure, bring up the issue on the talk page.
  2. If the article or image meets the deletion criteria, do any preparatory work (like orphaning an image, or combining the article with one it duplicates) prior to listing it here.
  3. For the article or image being proposed for deletion, add a {{vfd}} tag to the top of the article so that people viewing the article will know that it is proposed for deletion.
  4. Add a link to the article or image at the end of the list below, along with the reason why it is being listed for deletion. Sign your vote using four tildes ("~~~~"). List one article or image per entry.


All Wikitravellers are asked to state their opinion about articles and images listed for deletion. The format for comments is:

* Delete.  Not a valid travel article topic. TravelNut 25:25, 31 Feb 2525 (EDT)
* Keep.  There is a town in [[Alaska]] called Chicken. ~~~~

When leaving comments:

  1. First read the deletion policy and verify that the article or image really is a candidate for deletion.
  2. You may vote to delete, keep, or redirect the article. If your opinion is that the article should be kept or redirected, please state why. Sign your vote using four tildes ("~~~~").

Deleting, or not

After fourteen (14) days of discussion, there will probably be consensus one way or the other. If the consensus is to keep, redirect or merge, then any Wikitraveller can do it. If you are redirecting, please remember to check for broken redirects or double redirects as a result of your move. Remove any VFD notices from that page and copy the deletion discussion to the talk page of the article being kept or redirected.

If the result is delete, then only an administrator can delete. Check if any article links to the image or article in question. After removing those links, delete the image or article. However, if the image is being deleted because it has been moved to the shared repository with the same name, do not remove links to the images, as the links will be automatically be pointed to the shared repository.

After you keep/redirect/merge/delete the article, copy the deletion discussion to the Archives page for the appropriate month. The root Archives page has a directory. Note that it's the month in which the action was taken, rather than when the nomination was first posted, that should be used for the archived discussion; that way, recourse to the deletion log can lead subsequent readers right to the discussion (at least for the pages that were deleted).

March 2007

Bamanankan ani fraces

This doesn't appear to be a destination, or a travel topic. -- Mark 11:18, 18 March 2007 (EDT)

  • Delete - Bamanankan is a language and should probably be redirected to Bambara, but I'm not sure what fraces means here. --NJR_ZA 13:55, 18 March 2007 (EDT)

Bus Routes in Jakarta and Jakarta Bus Routes

  • Delete We have not added these kind of pages in the past, one reason is they are hard to maintain. Do we want to start now? -- Tom Holland (xltel) 14:15, 18 March 2007 (EDT)
  • No. Especially as nobody, local or otherwise, rides ordinary buses in Jakarta if they can avoid it. Jpatokal 12:29, 19 March 2007 (EDT)
  • Keep, but watch I don't think we want to risk offending whoever has obviously taken some care and time compiling these two lists. I think we can be a little more ffriendly and cherishing of effort (if sometimes misguided) than projects with a larger number of contributors such as the English Wikipedia (where there is a powerful deletionist tendency).

I would suggest:

  • 1) Combining the two articles into one
  • 2) Watching for (say) 3 months to see if they are updated or expanded before taking a decision.

Alternatively, is there an (official) website that could be linked to? Gaimhreadhan 10:51, 22 March 2007 (EDT)

  • Absorb Delete changed opinion in view of Cacahuate's comments WindHorse 04:33, 2 April 2007 (EDT)
rather than just delete, move info on routes operating in main business/tourist areas to main article. Leave a note on author's page and article discussion suggesting this. I feel we should always try to modify and use info rather than delete if possible. WindHorse 00:01, 23 March 2007 (EDT)
  • Delete. We are not an encyclopedia. We should only mention the routes relevant to each site in their paragraph. -- DanielC 16:52, 26 March 2007 (EDT)
  • Delete. -- Colin 18:45, 26 March 2007 (EDT)
  • Delete - At a glance it looks like most of the Jakarta articles have the bus lines, etc in them already, and these articles are just basic lists of info, which don't seem very user friendly to someone not already familiar with Jakarta anyway – cacahuate talk 23:17, 31 March 2007 (EDT)


  • DeleteHold - Do we really need articles for each airline in operation? --NJR_ZA 02:25, 19 March 2007 (EDT)
  • Keep The same user has done articles for two other airlines, see Travel_topics#By_plane, and I considered entering a VFD for those, since airline articles seem odd to me. But I decided not to bother; they do no harm I can see. For Silverjet, I didn't consider a VFD. They seem to offer an unusual service — business class only flights at good prices — which is worth mentioning. Even if the decision is to delete this, I think we need more info on such airlines, perhaps at First_and_business_class_travel#Business-only_airlines. Pashley 03:17, 19 March 2007 (EDT)
    • Actually, I did the AA and NW articles (mainly because the Flyertalk people don't know how to edit their own wiki) and had nothing to do with the Silverjet article. - Sekicho 03:52, 19 March 2007 (EDT)
    • Oops. Since the three all appeared in the Travel Topics index at about the same time, I made a bogus assumption. Pashley 05:37, 19 March 2007 (EDT)
  • Delete - while it's not officially listed in the criteria for deletion, I don't think it's far off from other things that are, and don't think it really needs to be it's own article. They only fly between Newark and London for one, so can be covered easily within the "Get in" sections on the articles, and mentioned (as it already is now) on the 1st&business travel page mentioned above. The info that's on the page could easily be condensed into a paragraph, a lot of it is more Wikipedia oriented anyhow – cacahuate talk 04:03, 19 March 2007 (EDT)
  • Hold until the discussion I just started on Wikitravel talk:What is an article? reaches some sort of consensus. Jpatokal 12:24, 19 March 2007 (EDT)
  • Keep. I think some of the other articles-about-carriers demonstrate that there is some worth in attempting this experimentally. So let's just let the experiment run. -- Colin 22:49, 19 March 2007 (EDT)
  • Keep - though am wondering whether a standard template should be devised for these kind of articles in order to keep them focused on travelers needs and prevent the info from becoming too encyclopedic. For discussion, see: Wikitravel talk:What is an article?#Airlines . WindHorse 02:11, 4 April 2007 (EDT)


Photo can be found on several commercial travel sites. -- Paul Richter 22:48, 19 March 2007 (EDT)

  • Delete. Thanks for doing this research. -- Colin 22:50, 19 March 2007 (EDT)


  • Delete - No license info + advertising --NJR_ZA 13:15, 20 March 2007 (EDT)
  • Delete - also no pages link to it – cacahuate talk 01:46, 21 March 2007 (EDT)
  • Delete Pashley 02:22, 21 March 2007 (EDT)


  • Delete. A French architect, not an article subject per Wikitravel:What is an article?. Content might be relevant as a note in the France article, but otherwise this is an encyclopedia article that is relevant to Wikipedia, but not Wikitravel. -- Ryan (talk) 11:55, 21 March 2007 (EDT)
  • Delete. I concur. Kiwiexile 10:39, 22 March 2007 (EDT)
  • Delete - Not an article --NJR_ZA 14:15, 22 March 2007 (EDT)

Golf packing list

North weald airfield

North Weald Flying Group

Sister article to the above. ~ 17:14, 24 March 2007 (EDT)

Wikitravel:Subpages help

Redundant page resulting from an article being created with an incorrect name and then moved to another incorrect name (or something like that). ~ 13:06, 25 March 2007 (EDT)

  • Delete unless someone wants to actually write a help page on this topic (not recommending that, but it's the only way I could see this being worth keeping). -- Ryan (talk) 15:01, 25 March 2007 (EDT)

Wikitravel:Far Northeast Philadelphia

Redundant page resulting from an article being created with an incorrect name and then moved to another incorrect name (or something like that). ~ 13:06, 25 March 2007 (EDT)

  • Delete. -- Ryan (talk) 15:01, 25 March 2007 (EDT)
  • delete -- Tim 09:15, 26 March 2007 (EDT)

Ocean city, nj

  • Delete - destination already covered under Ocean City, no new/usable information here, article name does not follow naming convention, nothing linking here--NJR_ZA 13:41, 25 March 2007 (EDT)
  • Redirect - Redirects are cheap and search engines like them. Combine info to Ocean City and then create a redirect. -- Tom Holland (xltel) 14:34, 25 March 2007 (EDT)


London to Geneva

Contains only an empty city template, has no itinerary-related content ~ 14:52, 25 March 2007 (EDT)

  • Delete. -- Ryan (talk) 15:01, 25 March 2007 (EDT)

Itinerary A

Content merged into Nara#Get around per {{merge|Nara}} tag ~ 16:34, 25 March 2007 (EDT)

  • Delete --NJR_ZA 00:30, 27 March 2007 (EDT)

Itinerary B

Content merged into Nara#Get around per {{merge|Nara}} tag ~ 16:34, 25 March 2007 (EDT)

  • Delete --NJR_ZA 00:31, 27 March 2007 (EDT)

Itinerary C

Content merged into Nara#Get around per {{merge|Nara}} tag ~ 16:34, 25 March 2007 (EDT)

  • Delete --NJR_ZA 00:31, 27 March 2007 (EDT)

Zangam city

Has been a broken redirect ever since it was created in July'06 ~ 17:51, 25 March 2007 (EDT)

Zara Vecchia

Has been a broken redirect ever since it was created in July'06 ~ 17:51, 25 March 2007 (EDT)

Keep - Create an outline for the redirect target article --NJR_ZA 15:10, 26 March 2007 (EDT)


Has been a broken redirect ever since it was created in July'06 ~ 17:51, 25 March 2007 (EDT)

  • Keep - Create an outline for the redirect target --NJR_ZA 14:56, 26 March 2007 (EDT)


"a simplified language made up of elements of two or more languages, used as a communication tool between speakers whose native languages are different." ~ 15:34, 26 March 2007 (EDT)

  • I second both the suggestions made by NJR_ZA ~ 05:32, 27 March 2007 (EDT)
  • Redirect to Tok Pisin phrasebook; this is much the best known pidign, an official language in PNG, so I'd say make it the target. It already mentions related languages; turn those into links if we develop phrasebooks for them. Pashley 22:46, 27 March 2007 (EDT)

East Texas

Appears to be an old and now redundant region article ~ 07:18, 28 March 2007 (EDT)

Washington (D.C.) in four days

Contains only an empty 6-section template, has no itinerary-related content ~ 14:31, 29 March 2007 (EDT)

  • Keep. I think this has the potential to be an awesome itinerary. I'll try to work on something, though, I will be working a lot this weekend and de: is about to hit a fairly important milestone. -- Sapphire(Talk) • 18:59, 29 March 2007 (EDT)
  • Keep. Leaving an empty page means that someone will rise to the challenge. -- Tim 19:26, 30 March 2007 (EDT)

Dc in 4 days

Redirects to Washington (D.C.) in four days ~ 14:31, 29 March 2007 (EDT)

Wikitravel talk:Stub articles/Stubs needing attention

Now an empty page. ~ 17:31, 29 March 2007 (EDT)

Wikitravel:Deletion log

Superseded by Special:Log/delete ~ 18:03, 29 March 2007 (EDT)

Lake james

Body of water, does not warrant article as described in Wikitravel:Bodies of water -- Tim 18:53, 29 March 2007 (EDT)

Israeli Stamp Stigma

Not an article as Wikitravel:What is an article? describes. If true, info should be integrated into relevant country articles, however this should be verified first. -- Tim 19:13, 29 March 2007 (EDT)

  • Delete - it's definitely true, as most Muslim countries refuse to acknowledge the existence of Israel. Some won't allow Israelis into their countries, some won't let non-Israelis into their country if they've got an Israeli stamp in their passport regardless of their nationality, and some both. But for sure this should be covered in the individual articles (and is in some, I've come across it) – cacahuate talk 22:51, 29 March 2007 (EDT)
I just double-checked and the 3 countries that the article lists all cover the subject on the individual article pages, so totally redundant – cacahuate talk 23:29, 31 March 2007 (EDT)


Delete - Not an article, not really a travel topic as all the info is covered in Grand_Canyon#Do. -- Tim 12:35, 30 March 2007 (EDT)


According to our Wikitravel:What is an article? policy, this shouldn't be an article as you cannot sleep there. According to Wikipedia [1] there are cabins there for the weather team, but it is otherwise uninhabited and Svalbard#Cities states that it is uninhabited... Do we need to tighten up our guidelines or do we delete this? I'm not sure it's a great idea to delete this - if we do, we have to start deleting all wilderness articles... -- Tim 19:02, 29 March 2007 (EDT)

Keep -- just read a bit further down to the exceptions section... we should keep this. -- Tim 19:05, 29 March 2007 (EDT)
Delete -- I don't see how the exceptions section justifies this? It's uninhabited (except for the weather station), has no tourist facilities or sights of interest, and requires special permits and a custom Arctic expedition to get to. Neither do the other similar islands in the archipelago: in the unlikely event that they start to spill out of the main Svalbard article, they should be lumped into Outer Islands (Svalbard) or some such. Jpatokal 12:54, 30 March 2007 (EDT)

Uploads by User:Mario brazil

  • Delete -- Ricardo (Rmx) 18:17, 30 March 2007 (EDT)
  • Speedy delete -- Tim 19:08, 30 March 2007 (EDT)
  • Speedy delete - we can (and should) do that for obvious copyvios, though the few that are just missing license/source we should probably wait out and see if he comes around to add it – cacahuate talk 00:36, 31 March 2007 (EDT)
  • Apologies if this was not done in the correct way. I was trying to respect copyright rules. That is why I used pictures from Wikipedia Commons for which there were notes with language similar to "Permission is granted to copy, distribute and/or modify this document under the terms of the yyyyy license". I interpreted this as an authorization to used the pictures in other sites. Apparently, my interpretation was wrong. Please advise me on whether Wikimedia pictures with such information can be copied or not into Wikitravel. Thank you. I would also appreciate it if you could let me know where I can learn more about using pictures in Wikitravel. User: Mario brazil 3 Apr 2007.
  • I would like to erase Image:230px-Br-101.jpg, but have not figured out how to delete pictures. User: Mario brazil 3 Apr 2007. 3:51am [EST]
  • Image:536px-Br-101.jpg was obtained from Wikipedia. I did not copy it from the website mentioned above. I obtained all 6 pictures from Wikimedia Commons. As I mentioned earlier, I was not aware this constituted a problem. If it is inappropriate to use pictures from Wikimedia at Wikitravel, I agree they should be erased. If such pictures are authorized in some other way, let me know. Thanks. User: Mario brazil 3 Apr 2007. 3:51am [EST]


Not an article, should be covered in Ibiza or resort articles. -- Tim 19:03, 30 March 2007 (EDT)


Not linked to from anywhere, has no content, was created by an extlink spammer. ~ 23:14, 30 March 2007 (EDT)

  • Delete - London is already districted, if a new one needs to be created the user should discuss on the talk page... is that area already covered within one of the current districts? – cacahuate talk 00:36, 31 March 2007 (EDT)

Template:Paris arrondissements

I propose getting rid of the arondissements template at the bottom of all the Paris pages... is it really needed? We don't do that for any other city districts, I think them being listed in the districts section on the Paris page is sufficient... any objections? – cacahuate talk 00:31, 31 March 2007 (EDT)

  • The reason (I think!) we have this template is because we can - in Paris the arondissements are well defined and recognised districts and as such we dont have to keep adding new district pages to the city, whereas London, for example, has got a really hazy list of districts that we're constantly revising and updating, which would make having a little district template there a complete pain. Having said that, I think the bar is of little use to the average traveller (for example, which one's got the Eiffel Tower in?) so I'd say delete it and improve the get out section in each of the arrondissement articles, to say which arrondissements are nearby and what the main attractions are in them, plus maybe also say which arrondissements the really famous attractions are in. -- Tim 07:41, 31 March 2007 (EDT)
Good plan. We've been pretty good about keeping the articles uncluttered and I think this just opens the door to more things like it. Between the "Districts" section on the main city page and the "Get out" section on the districts, I think we've got it covered without the extra box – cacahuate talk 23:07, 31 March 2007 (EDT)

Papapa plantation

  • Not an article, not sure what (if anything) would be a good redirect. Maj 22:48, 31 March 2007 (EDT)

April 2007

Hotel wangara

Per Wikitravel:What is an article?#What DOES NOT get its own article? ~ 05:41, 1 April 2007 (EDT)


See User_talk:Blacksapphire#Eglistathr and ~ 16:14, 1 April 2007 (EDT)


URL/watermark on the image suggests it's probably a copyvio ~ 04:24, 2 April 2007 (EDT)

Club taco

Per Wikitravel:What is an article?#What DOES NOT get its own article? - and there's more than one Club Taco, so it's not appropriate to redirect. ~ 12:23, 2 April 2007 (EDT)


Redundant stub; about 20 countries have them, so not redirectable. ~ 05:45, 4 April 2007 (EDT)


Will be a redundant redirect if/when Departement is deleted. ~ 05:45, 4 April 2007 (EDT)