Wikitravel:Votes for deletion

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This page contains lists of articles and images which are recommended for deletion. Any Wikitraveller can recommend an article or image for deletion, and any Wikitraveller can comment on the deletion nomination. Articles and images are presumed guilty until proven innocent. After fourteen (14) days of discussion, if a consensus is reached to retain an article, it won't be deleted. Otherwise it will be deleted by an administrator. Please read the Nominating and Commenting sections prior to nominating articles/images or commenting on nominations.

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The basic format for a deletion nomination is the following:

* Delete.  Not a valid travel article topic. ~~~~

Please follow these steps when nominating an article or image for deletion:

  1. First read the deletion policy and verify that the article or image really is a candidate for deletion. If you are unsure, bring up the issue on the talk page.
  2. For the article or image being proposed for deletion, add a {{vfd}} tag so that people viewing the article will know that it is proposed for deletion. The {{vfd}} tag must be the very first thing in the article, right at the very top, before everything else.
  3. Add a link to the article or image at the end of the list below, along with the reason why it is being listed for deletion. Sign your vote using four tildes ("~~~~"). List one article or image per entry.
  4. If you're nominating an image for deletion, make sure it's actually located on the English Wikitravel... many images are located on Wikitravel Shared, in which case they should be nominated for deletion over there instead.


All Wikitravellers are asked to state their opinion about articles and images listed for deletion. The format for comments is:

* '''Delete'''.  Not a valid travel article topic. TravelNut 25:25, 31 Feb 2525 (EDT)
* '''Keep'''.  There is a town in [[Alaska]] called Chicken. ~~~~

When leaving comments:

  1. First read the deletion policy and verify that the article or image really is a candidate for deletion.
  2. You may vote to delete, keep, or redirect the article. If your opinion is that the article should be kept or redirected, please state why. Sign your vote using four tildes ("~~~~").

Deleting, or not

After fourteen (14) days of discussion, there will probably be consensus one way or the other. If the consensus is to keep, redirect or merge, then any Wikitraveller can do it. If you are redirecting, please remember to check for broken redirects or double redirects as a result of your move. Remove any VFD notices from that page, and archive the deletion discussion as described in the next section.

If the result is delete, then only an administrator can delete. Check if any article links to the image or article in question. After removing those links, delete the image or article. However, if the image is being deleted because it has been moved to the shared repository with the same name, do not remove links to the images, as the links will be automatically be pointed to the shared repository.


After you keep/redirect/merge/delete the article, move the deletion discussion to the Archives page for the appropriate month. The root Archives page has a directory. Note that it's the month in which the action was taken, rather than when the nomination was first posted, that should be used for the archived discussion; that way, recourse to the deletion log can lead subsequent readers right to the discussion (at least for the pages that were deleted).

If the nominated article was not deleted, then place another (identical duplicate) copy of the deletion discussion on the talk page of the article being kept or redirected.

September 2008


I noticed on recent changes that someone had tagged this "vfd", but it was not listed here. I'm listing it now, though it appears to me to be a legitimate destination we should keep. Can someone who knows the area please chime in? Pashley 12:29, 30 September 2008 (EDT)

DELETE I marked it; I have actually been through this "town" which only has a name because of a Post Office, next to a railroad track. There is absolutely nothing of interest here (certainly no place to "sleep" which is a criteria). I believe someone added it to Wikitravel as a joke of some kind. Read the SEE section of the article. gamweb 12:35, 30 September 2008 (EDT)
  • Delete. can't sleep there. --Peter Talk 13:01, 12 October 2008 (EDT)
  • Keep. Peter, I believe you misinterpret the "can't sleep there" disqualification; it is intended to address places where it's not possible, or at least legal, to sleep (lakes, day-use parks, etc.), rather than towns lacking hotels. There was a big discussion of this about a year ago IIRC. This tiny town is no less a "destination" in that regard than any number of places in, say, North Dakota that we've always accepted as appropriate for an article. And gamweb, maybe there's nothing of interest to you, but the traveler whose Uncle Egbert lives there would still have reason to refer to Wikitravel before going to visit. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 11:17, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
I don't remember this discussion, but this seems to me not a valid article no matter which way you slice it. I've checked this town, and there are no sights, no hotels/motels—only three establishments of any kind (all eateries/bars). I see no utility in a travel article to such a place. Another example off the top of my head is Pritchet, CO. There is one restaurant and one little shop. Anyone driving through the town will see them immediately (same goes for Dorothy), and can simply walk in and look at the menu. At most, a town/census designated area this small deserves no more than a mention in the get out section of a near town. If the traveler really needs advice on which of the three eateries to go to, he could just ask Uncle Egbert or anyone on the street. --Peter Talk 12:29, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
I tend to agree that the "can you sleep there" metric is intended to help delineate between "destinations" and "attractions", not between "destinations that get an article" and "destinations that don't". On the other hand, "Sleep" is a required section in any destination article, highlighting its importance. LtPowers 13:27, 16 October 2008 (EDT)
Keep If we really want to be a travel guide for the world, I think we should waiver the demand for sleeping as far as actual cities is concerned. Juuuuuust my two cents Sertmann 17:37, 31 October 2008 (EDT)
Is Uncle Egbert in any way related to Joe the Plumber? – cacahuate talk 04:09, 2 November 2008 (EST)
Neutral. However, if there are three places to eat/drink here, somebody has to propose where they belong (county level?) if this is not held to be a "destination". Jpatokal 23:55, 17 November 2008 (EST)
As I see it, we're not a restaurant review site, we're a destination guide site; if a restaurant is in a town/village not worth writing about, we might as well not write about it. If we're dealing with a sparsely populated region in, say, Tusheti, and there's one nice restaurant in a small village, we should point that out either on the region page, or on a nearby town big enough to write about. But this is frikkin New Jersey!
The "can you sleep there" rule is useful for delimiting what we will and will not write about, so we avoid using up time categorizing non-destinations like this one, and avoid cluttering our site with non-useful information. It's a waste of space to subdivide regions and link to non-towns like this. The rule is also a convenient way to dismiss out of hand pages like this, which are not useful, and were created by a certain page-creation-troll precisely to waste our time in discussions like these. --Peter Talk 13:57, 18 November 2008 (EST)
Redirect to the county and move any worthwhile info in the article there. Pashley 20:04, 27 November 2008 (EST)
  • I'm not sure there's consensus here yet, but if there is, it's most likely for a keep. One last call for opinions, then I'll move on it tomorrow. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 21:28, 15 December 2008 (EST)
Keep. I'm convinced by, and agree with Bill-on-the-Hill. --Inas 22:38, 15 December 2008 (EST)

October 2008

Image:Tong Gu Mountain.jpg

Very tacky-looking text across the photo that reads "Wenchang @ Ton Gu Mountain". Photos should not have text in the image. Also possible copyright violation.

  • Delete Texugo 02:51, 17 October 2008 (EDT)
  • The text part has been fixed by the image's creator(?). What leads you to the conclusion that there's a copyvio? I'd incline to keep it now, unless the copyvio can be documented. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 16:02, 31 October 2008 (EDT)
    • Now I see that the photo is on a site called "iGuide" as well -- not sure of the legitimacy of the site, but most likely the owner of the photo loaded it there as well as here. In any event, I don't see a copyvio, based on the (alleged) terms of use at that site. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 21:30, 15 December 2008 (EST)
  • Keep. The text in the image has gone. The fact that the uploader removed it, would make it quite unlikely to be a copyvio. --Inas 22:41, 15 December 2008 (EST)
  • Comment - I believe the source of my copyvio suspicion may have been other verifiable copyvios in the same batch of uploads, though I could be mistaken. At any rate, it probably wouldn't have caught my attention at all if it hadn't had the text in the first place.

Alpine pearls

I'm nominating this one for deletion just to see what happens. I don't think we generally have articles for tourism associations, do we? Texugo 07:23, 26 October 2008 (EDT)

  • Yah, thats not right, Delete.  :) Keep smilin' Edmontonenthusiast 19:45, 26 October 2008 (EDT)
  • Merge into Alps? It would seem a shame to lose this information about sustainable tourism in such a heavily visited region. Tarr3n 10:19, 27 October 2008 (EDT)
  • I was going to say "keep", since I think it could become a viable article. Travel topic, perhaps? However, I Checked for copyvio and found the entire article is word-for-word from Wikipedia [1].
  • So now I say trash existing text, redirect this to the [Alps] article, and add a sentence or two and a link to there. That lets us put links to Alpine pearls in the articles for towns that are involved in the program. If someone later undoes the redirect and writes a real article on these pearls, that's OK too. Pashley 06:10, 19 November 2008 (EST)
    • I speedied it, but immediately restored it. The text was written by a user with the same name on both sites; assuming it's the same person, it's not a copyright violation. I say just redirect it. LtPowers 10:39, 19 November 2008 (EST)

November 2008

Hitchhiking Spots Romania

  • Merge into relevant city articles. Texugo 03:43, 8 November 2008 (EST)
  • Merge some here, delete the rest. Suggest the contributor try Hitchwiki who would probably want all of it. Put a link to Hitchwiki page in Romania article here. Pashley 07:45, 13 November 2008 (EST)

Thanks for the hitchwiki tip, but please leave a link in the wikitravel romaniaarticle to the hitchwikisite, because most people dont know about hitchwiki!Deni120 04:38, 14 November 2008 (EST)

Nagarjuna Sagar

Article about a dam in India, have no Idea where to redirect, and I hardly think this is the Hoover dam anyway Sertmann 05:36, 13 November 2008 (EST)

It is mentioned on Nalgonda under See. Perhaps move the text and redirect. The text on the page does suggest there is, perhaps, some interest about the place. Nrms 05:40, 13 November 2008 (EST)
Ok merged the content into Nalgonda - but I'm still in support of a Delete
  • Because it was merged, we should change it into a redirect, maintaining the page history for attribution purposes. LtPowers 09:43, 14 November 2008 (EST)
It is a fairly well-known weekend getaway from Hyderabad. Lots of tourists. The article quality doesn't reflect the place's popularity. I'll be going there come the weekend of 29-30/11; will fill in an article then. —The preceding comment was added by (talkcontribs) .
But can you sleep there? LtPowers 15:47, 17 November 2008 (EST)
Yes, see: AP Tourism's website has a host of information useful in this article, starting at:
Certainly looks like I stand corrected. --Stefan (sertmann) Talk 10:43, 19 November 2008 (EST)

Ballena Marine National Park

New article, entire content apparently copied from another site. I'm not certain if the article itself should be deleted or not. Pashley 08:56, 13 November 2008 (EST)

  • I'd say redirect it to South Costa Rica or Uvita for the time being. Even if you can sleep there, which isn't clear, it doesn't look huge enough to need its own article. From the description, it sounds more like a day-attraction than a multi-day destination. LtPowers 09:09, 13 November 2008 (EST)
  • why does the other park have their info... this is the first Marine Park, one of the few places in the world where you can see the whales from the south and northern hemisphere... the info that i put there was my own, taken from one of my websites... if you take this out, than take out all th eother parks in the worls... you cannot sleep in any of the costa rican parks... but it is a travel destination...

so please put it back...

the rules are not clear... they say not to add links in the main page of costa rica... but they are alot... i add one and they take it down.... helloooooooooooooooooo

Learn how to not sound so whiny and how to use a signature (use for tildes, or see at the bottom SIGN YOUR NAME). Also if you were a little more lenient, you'd see there are real reasons for this. I don't get why you said "then take out all the other parks", does that mean you've worked extensively on every single park that has a travel guide on this website? I find that very untrue! You still need to learn some, and HELLO to you too;)! Keep smiling, ee talk 18:29, 14 November 2008 (EST).
There are two separate problems here. One is the text from another site. See my comments at User_talk:Geinier for that.
The other question is whether this park gets its own article. As I said above, I don't know the answer on that. However, in general, parks don't get separate articles; see policy at Wikitravel:What_is_an_article?. Nobody's saying there should not be text for parks, just that usually it should be in a region or town article rather than a separate article on the park. Huge parks like Angkor Wat or Disneyland are exceptions.
In nearby Mexico we have an article on the Mayan_Riviera. At least two park articles for parks in that area were created, Xel-Ha and Xcaret, but because both are "attractions" rather than "destinations" in the Wikitravel sense, both were changed to redirects to Mayan_Riviera, and some text moved there. Archived "vote for deletion" discussions of those are at Wikitravel:Votes_for_deletion/November_2007#Xel-Ha and Wikitravel:Votes_for_deletion/October_2008#Xcaret.
My guess would be something like that is needed here, but I do not know the area, so I cannot say what. Pashley 08:30, 15 November 2008 (EST)
  • Keep. Based on this resource, it looks like one can "sleep" there in a tent, if nothing else, and we've accepted other national parks in other countries with comparably rustic accommodations. The bogus text isn't grounds for deletion; normal policy is to clean that up, rather than delete the article. I'm going to Costa Rica in a few weeks and would use this article if it was in shape by then. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 21:38, 15 December 2008 (EST)

Pulpit Rock and Preikestolen

A rock does not merit its own article, much less two separate ones.

  • Delete - Texugo 19:47, 24 November 2008 (EST)
  • Attraction, not a destination, so Redirect both to Stavanger. LtPowers 20:15, 24 November 2008 (EST)
  • Redirect. I could go either way with this, but the named articles constitute a useful navigational aid. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 13:15, 8 December 2008 (EST)


I'm assuming this relates to the English football team. Recommend for deletion unless there is a place called Arsenal. Shaund 23:02, 28 November 2008 (EST)

  • Possible disambiguation page; there are a lot of arsenals that are attractions. Wikipedia:Arsenal (disambiguation) indicates no places with that name except maybe a section of Paris. LtPowers 10:31, 29 November 2008 (EST)
  • I thought the team was named for a London neigborhood. Disambig sounds good to me. Pashley 00:04, 2 December 2008 (EST)

December 2008

Festivals in Edmonton

Don't need it anymore.

Redirect - to where the festivals are now --Inas 14:49, 7 December 2008 (EST)
  • Delete - The festivals are districtified into the appropriate district articles of Edmonton. Texugo 00:53, 8 December 2008 (EST)
The current redirect looks appropriate to me. --Inas 22:47, 15 December 2008 (EST)

Nathu La

Does not appear to be anything more than a mountain pass, which shouldn't get its own article. Texugo 02:13, 8 December 2008 (EST)

This is an interesting one. I'm not sure what to do with it, but this makes for interesting reading. --Peter Talk 02:35, 8 December 2008 (EST)
How about making it a disambiguation page, noting to check out Gangtok#Get out if traveling from India to China, and then whatever Chinese town you come from to get there if crossing into Indiacacahuate talk 04:00, 8 December 2008 (EST)
  • Redirect to Gangtok. This is an attraction (of sorts...), not a destination, and it is the next step along the slippery slope down which we started with Panmunjeom. However, it's also high profile (like Panmunjeom), so having it accessible via search benefits the traveler, so redirect rather than delete. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 13:04, 8 December 2008 (EST)
Actually that's better, I forgot that it's not open to tourists for crossing, it's only for import/export purposes, so indeed, an attraction, but can't cross there – cacahuate talk 00:03, 9 December 2008 (EST)
Yes, redirect. We actually have a few articles on passes including some I started: Khyber Pass, Khunjerab Pass (a redirect) Bolan Pass (deleted once, but someone re-created it), and several I had nothing to do with: Hamta Pass, Salang Pass, Snoqualmie Pass, Crowsnest Pass, Three Pagodas Pass. I'd say any well-known pass is a possible search term. A few, like the Kyhber, might qualify as regions. The others should all be redirects. Pashley 07:05, 9 December 2008 (EST)


My hunch was that we should redirect this one to Honolulu, but a persistent user keeps turning it into a rather well developed article. Should this be a district of Honolulu? A separate city article? --Peter Talk 20:26, 9 December 2008 (EST)

  • Sources seem to differ as to whether it's a "neighborhood" in Honolulu or a "suburb" of Honolulu. Either way, I feel fairly strongly that the article shouldn't be deleted, although it might be renamed/redirected. Let's do some research on this one; at the very least, Honolulu is probably big enough to merit some districting, and this could be a start. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 21:33, 9 December 2008 (EST)
  • Gentleman, I am a native of Honolulu and went to school for 13 years at Punahou (the same school that President-elect Obama attended from 1971 to 1979). That school happens to be located in Makiki which I can assure you is an old, established neighborhood--most definitely not a suburb by any stretch of the imagination. Makiki is in the heart of Honolulu, about a mile from downtown (West), two miles from Wakiki (South) and about two miles (east) of the University of Hawaii. It is certainly not a separate city! You may want to consult a map. Given that you do not live here, what you are not aware of is that Makiki is starting to generate a tremendous amount of interest and tourist traffic because of its association with Barack Obama, who was born in Kapiolani Hospital (in Makiki) and grew up a few blocks from the high school that we both graduated from. Frankly there was not a lot of interest in this neighborhood from outsiders until Obama burst on the scene. This is a very well researched piece. What's more Makiki deserves the recognition. -- Ian Brizdle
Thanks to Ian Brizdle for the clarification. Although he has clarified the situation, I think he has made a case for incorporation of this article in the Honolulu article. Something like the Columbus, Ohio breakdown may be appropriate. Merge and Redirect into and to Honolulu. 2old 13:10, 10 December 2008 (EST)
With this background, I think the course of action is clear: Rename and move to Honolulu/Makiki (which will automatically generate the redirect) and modify the root Honolulu article to point to it as a district. The rudiments of a districting scheme for Honolulu are already taking shape anyway; may as well help it along. (You fit 13 years at Punahou into the period from 1971 to 1979? I'm impressed. :-) ) -- Bill-on-the-Hill 13:23, 10 December 2008 (EST)
  • Sorry for the confusion, I graduated in '98 and attended Punahou since Kindergarten. Obama attended '71 to '79. My error with the (). -- Ian Brizdle


Images on Mongolia article

Image:Bogdakhaan.jpg - uploaded without licence specified
Image:Zaisan.jpg - uploaded without licence specified
Image:Flamesss.jpg - uploaded without licence specified
Image:Flamesss2.jpg - uploaded without licence specified
Image:Chinggis.jpg - Copyright violation, invalid license since it's not own work - Original image [here]

  • Delete We need a licence, uploader notified on talk page. --Stefan (sertmann) Talk 00:04, 14 December 2008 (EST)
Copied to user page to try and get my point across, and the layout is not really in line with our manual of style + the info should go in Ulaan Bataar article. --Stefan (sertmann) Talk 00:46, 14 December 2008 (EST)
Emailed user --Stefan (sertmann) Talk 00:56, 14 December 2008 (EST)
  • I speedy-deleted the vodka bottle because of the bogus license. Delete all the rest too, unless licensing can be resolved. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 21:25, 15 December 2008 (EST)

Prospect Creek

According to Wikipedia, it has been an abandoned camp since the early 1990s, the population is 0, and therefore one cannot sleep there. See Wikipedia article: [2]. Could possibly redirect to Dalton Highway (a couple of miles away) or Bettles (population 39) 25 miles away, but no WT article yet. AHeneen 07:08, 14 December 2008 (EST)

  • Redirect. Dalton Highway would seem like a reasonable redirection target. -- Ryan • (talk) • 11:16, 14 December 2008 (EST)


Recognizable faces, not particularly illustrative of anything. Gorilla Jones 22:52, 14 December 2008 (EST)

  • Delete --Inas 22:48, 15 December 2008 (EST)

Dieng Plateau

Per Wikitravel:What is an article?, this content should probably be merged to the appropriate city or region article, and the page turned into a redirect. But I'm not at all familiar with the area, so I'll leave this decision to the vfd page. --Peter Talk 18:48, 15 December 2008 (EST)

Hmm-m. I suspect the Dieng Plateau is better known under that name than the main town in the area, Wonosobo. It might make more sense to keep this article at Dieng Plateau and redirect Wonosobo there. Jpatokal 21:51, 15 December 2008 (EST)
Yes, especially since we do not yet have a Wonosobo article. Pashley 04:05, 16 December 2008 (EST)

Judean Desert

Nice start to an article, unfortunately this region badly overlaps with our existing Dead Sea, West Bank and Negev regions. Redirect to West Bank...? Jpatokal 22:24, 15 December 2008 (EST)

Not to be disrespectful, but I think you lack a certain knowledge in the geography of Israel, and I don't think you should automaticly propose to delete regions, just as I shouldn't delete regions in France or Syria, without even discussing and asking about it BEFORE. Here are some explanations:

1 - "The Judean Desert is not a region.." The Judean desert was for thousands of years and still is a very clear geographic region. It is considered a region of its own in Israel, just like the Carmel, Gush-Dan, the Galilee and the Negev, unlike the West Bank, which is a political definition, and the Dead Sea, which is a lake, not a region. Only the Negev is another real region in Israel, and it BORDERS with the Judean Desert, it does not overlap it.

2 - "Its already written about in other articles.." As I said, the Judean desert is an actual a region in Israel, unlike the West Bank and the Dead Sea. The fact that it wasn't mentioned is wrong. And worse, now that it is mentioned, you wish to delete it because people just included it in the regions around it. Well, two wrongs won't make a right. Wikitravel should bring the correct information about the diffrent regions in Israel, and we shouldn't redevide Israel as we see fit because someone already wrote about it somewhere.

3 - Dead Sea refrences If anything, we should delete the article "Dead Sea", it is not a region, it is a lake, and worse, its a lake between two diffrent regions in two countries. Its like creating an article about the Mediterranean Sea, or about the Lake Superior, though its the same lake, its devided into diffrent regions and diffrent countries, and travelers should get information about the region/country they are going to, not about the lake itself. It might be a helpful article, due to the fact that the Dead Sea is unique, but it should definatly not replace the articles about the actual regions it is located in, both in Israel and in Jordan.

4 - West Bank refrences The West-Bank is the a political region of a diverse area. It DOESN'T overlap the Judean Desert. The Judean Desert is partly in the west-bank(and btw, more than half of the Judean Desert is inside the "green line" and not in the west bank), like other geographical regions in Israel such as the Shephelah, the Judean Mountains, Jerusalem, the Lower Galilee and so on... because it is a political region, determaned by the truce lines set by Israel and Jordan in 1949. and furthermore, the Judean desert is populated mostly (with the exception of Jericho and small bedwin villages) by jewish communities and cities, and therefore even the travelers' experience is the same as inside the "green line", and not as in the arab cities of the west bank. So other than a political statement, there is absolutly no reason to move the Judean Desert article into the West Bank article.

5 - General overlaping and mistakes in the ISRAEL articles The regions that are written in the "Israel" article are not accurate and greatly overlap each other.... for example, the Jezreel valley and Beth-Shaan valley both have articles of their own, even though they are both parts of the Lower Galilee. The Sea of the Galilee also has an article of its own, even though again, its a lake not a region. The western coast of the sea is the Galilee, while the eastern coast belongs to the Golan heights region. My plan is to fix those overlaps and errors, and thats why I started by creating the Judean desert value, in hopes of giving the travelers in Israel good, true and reliable information, which will tell them more about the diffrent regions in Israel, with the historical and current status of each region, with good intresting pictures from the diffrent areas, and most importantly, clean from any political references, as much as possible. And as you can see, I gave information both on the southern part of the desert, like Ein-Gedi and Masada, and also about the northen part of the desert which is in the West-Bank, such as Jericho and Qumaran. From the travelers POV, and since there are no palestinian towns in the region (again besides Jericho), also from the Israelis and Palestinians POV, this region is the same as the Galilee or the Negev. The only diffrence is political, but this is not WikiPolitics, its Wikitravel.

I hope you will help me to improve the ISRAEL articles, instead of just leaving them the way they are just because its already here regardless if its accurate or not.

Govrin 09:52, 16 December 2008 (EST)