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Happy 2014 from New Zealand to one and all!
This seems like a bit of a dead place now. Is that because of the heavy censorship - or is there some other reason? --22.214.171.124 16:36, 5 January 2014 (EST)
- Happy New Year If you check Special:RecentChanges, things are happening here: new pages have been added and miscellaneous helpful edits made every day. Feel free to add yourself. Koavf (talk) 16:38, 5 January 2014 (EST)
- There is a severe problem with spam robots. Unfortunately the reaction to this has been to make it harder and harder for non-logged in users to contribute - sometimes I give up after failing 7 Captcha tests... --126.96.36.199 16:46, 5 January 2014 (EST)
- Spam Tell me about it. That's why I'm an admin here. It's frustrating, no doubt. I didn't know anything about IPs having a hard time contributing... Have you brought this up at? Why do you edit with an IP? Koavf (talk) 17:48, 5 January 2014 (EST)
- I've been editing as an IP for many years, but less and less lately as the Captcha tests get more and more difficult for human beings to pass. Spam bots don't seem to have any difficulty since they pay people peanuts to register new accounts with unlikely account names that then lie fallow for several months until they are activated.
- Because I work for a New Zealand central government funded agency I am subject to heavy and intrusive government surveillance at work - including keystroke loggers. --188.8.131.52 23:09, 5 January 2014 (EST)
IP edits You probably know what's best for you but you could always make a throwaway account with a throwaway e-mail. Definitely let the tech guys know on Shared—they're always trying to improve the user experience around here. I wish I had more to offer you. Thanks for your patience in trying to help us build the travel guide. Koavf (talk) 23:37, 5 January 2014 (EST)
What is an admin edit? --184.108.40.206 08:23, 20 January 2014 (EST)
- Admins In terms of MediaWiki software which runs Wikitravel, there's no difference between an edit you would make and an "admin edit"—they are technically the same thing. At Wikitravel, some administrators are members of the community and some are employees of (IB), the company which owns the site. The handful of IB administrators sometimes take it upon themselves to control content here per corporate policy and they might use an edit summary that consists of "admin edit". Koavf (talk) 09:17, 20 January 2014 (EST)
- "Admin" is a contraction of Administrators who "...are Wikitravellers who have been nominated by the Wikitravel community and have been granted some additional privileges over and above normal. Administrators have shown a good appreciation of the Wikitravel policies and guidelines and made significant contributions on Wikitravel articles."
- Koavf is an admin but IB employees typically distinguish themselves by pre-pending the letters ""IB" before their user names and hold office ex officio rather than having gone through a nomination process. IB admins are sometimes called IBadmins to make the distinction clearer so it might be better if they used "IBadmin edit" in their edit summaries to make things a bit clearer... --220.127.116.11 14:24, 20 January 2014 (EST)