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If icons were to be used (a nice globe icon, easily recognizable as world wide web) this wouldn't need to be a discussion and the points raised would be resolved, using footnotes does solve the issue but people also complain about the aesthetics of it etc. [[User:Rhetorical|Rhetorical]] ([[User talk:Rhetorical|talk]]) 14:17, 23 May 2016 (EDT)
 
If icons were to be used (a nice globe icon, easily recognizable as world wide web) this wouldn't need to be a discussion and the points raised would be resolved, using footnotes does solve the issue but people also complain about the aesthetics of it etc. [[User:Rhetorical|Rhetorical]] ([[User talk:Rhetorical|talk]]) 14:17, 23 May 2016 (EDT)
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== Uber/Lyft/Airbnb and the sharing economy ==
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It's been a long time coming - Wikitravel does not have any formal guidelines on listings information about these kind of services on the destination guides. We should figure this out because these services now play a major role in many travelers' lives.
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Just some points to keep in mind:
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*we'd like to avoid an overage of AirBnB listings on the guides
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*we'd also really like to avoid people listing their personal Uber/lyft codes for their own gain
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*legality/availability of these services varies from destination to destination
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So do you all feel that we should have centralized page containing info about sharing services, or that the info should be on the destination guides themselves, or a combo of the two?
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Open floor for all ideas 🙂! [[User:IBcaldera|IBcaldera]] ([[User talk:IBcaldera|talk]]) 13:33, 24 May 2016 (EDT)

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Contributing to other travel wikis

Hello. I know that there is a policy that disallows the mentioning of one specific other travel website in wiki format, targeted towards voyagers. But under which circumstances would I be allowed to contribute to this site and any other travel website at the same time? Especially if my contributions where to be similar or even the same? Please help me understand this as this is a complicated problem for me and remember ttcf! 79.194.23.48 08:40, 24 February 2016 (EST)

Hello, you can check this page, there's a part that deals with your issue. Regards, GiulioC (talk) 11:22, 24 February 2016 (EST)

ideas for group travel, family that does not get together much

HI What a fabulous project! I cannot believe I never found this before. Some of my family wants to get together more often and we are trying to organize a group trip, 5 or so days, prepaid food options, lots of activities, and I don't think we care where we go but some need to keep the costs down. Most of the family is in the north east. Any one have suggestions about places to go, cruises to try, etc.

Someone is spreading lies and disinformation about Wikitravel

This great wiki is being viciously attacked on the internet. There never was a fork! And there never will be! Internet Brands is the best thing that ever happened to the community! Stop spreading those lies! We should do something against this! Maybe suing them... 107.170.215.131 11:42, 29 February 2016 (EST)

Hi, we are aware, and looking into it. Thanks for your support. Adzas (talk) 11:49, 29 February 2016 (EST)
Hi, thanks for bringing this up. The topic has come up a few times recently so it's definitely worth addressing. I'm IBcaldera, an admin here on Wikitravel and the point of contact to IB. I'd like to start by clearing up that there absolutely was a fork. A part of the community had differences with the direction and they created a new wiki. They do great work for travelers and we do our best to do great work for travelers too. Many of the admins who remained on Wikitravel at the time have since moved on. Their time was before the current admin team's and mine. The current Wikitravel team does not have any ill will towards the past, so there's no use trying to rile any trouble.
You may be wondering why mentions of the other wiki are still filtered out and the honest truth is that every now and then someone will come along and try to stir the pot. I'm willing to bet the other wiki is not involved in anyway and that it's just some random causing trouble.
Ultimately, we're here for the travelers. We focus on fact checking the numerous edits we get a day, patrolling spam, and working on general site improvements. Any future mentions to this issue will be rerouted to this post for the sake of the admin's time. If you have any other questions - feel free to reach out! IBcaldera (talk) 14:00, 29 February 2016 (EST)
So what's this about? And what about that? What were the reasons of the fork and if those reasons don't exist anymore why don't the users come back? And does the blocking of the name also apply at the other place in reverse? 192.99.150.7 14:55, 29 February 2016 (EST)
Those edits are from the tail end of 2012 (more than 3 years ago) and again before the current admin team's time. The reason was the difference in direction and those that didn't comeback have a new wiki. I'm not sure that the reverse applies, but that's just simply a difference in the way both chose to handle it. Hope this helped! IBcaldera (talk) 15:11, 29 February 2016 (EST)
That's gotta be the most evasive answer I have ever heard. Where is the meat? What did the disagreements consist in and why do you still ban any mention of the voyage site? Over there you can say Wikitravel all you want... 95.90.213.16 14:53, 1 March 2016 (EST)
Thanks for not answering a whole month... 95.90.212.219 16:58, 1 April 2016 (EDT)

Uploading the pictures

Could someone help me to upload the pictures? I click "Upload a picture" and I am automatically log out. What is the reason and how to avoid it? —The preceding comment was added by M.izhyk (talkcontribs)

Hi, when you click "Upload a picture" it automatically redirects you to Wikitravel Shared, where all pictures need to be uploaded. Once uploaded there you can then add them to the articles. A separate account is needed so just create one there and follow the instructions on the site. If you have any further questions, please let us know, your edits are appreciated! Thank you Adzas (talk) 05:59, 6 March 2016 (EST)

question about travel, conserning the people leaving the middle east and going to europe

does the migration of people affect the travel industry? Are all the hotels/hostels full, etc? 56.0.84.26 16:39, 17 March 2016 (EDT)

Hello! have no worry: migrants don't affect the travel industry as they don't stay at hostels and don't eat at restaurants. Actually, on the contrary, there is plenty of space and prices may even tend to be cheaper. (Talking about Southern Europe, where you should head to for great holidays ;) ) PierrB (talk) 20:07, 14 May 2016 (EDT)

San Francisco.

There appears to be no main page for San Francisco. I can't remember having ever seen one, but I'm pretty sure there must have been one at one point so it looks as if it's been deleted. There are still district pages there (eg San_Francisco/Tenderloin) but no main page. Can it be restored?

--Ruudboy (talk) 10:29, 24 March 2016 (EDT)

Hi, thanks for noticing that, I am not sure what happened but the page has been restored now. Thanks again for letting us know. Adzas (talk) 11:03, 24 March 2016 (EDT)

Updates: April 2016

A new month means new featured pages on the home page!

Stroopwafel
Berlin is April's Destination of the Month - this major city was long overdue for it's rightful title.
Huangshan takes its place as our pick for Off the Beaten Path - its wondrous peaks have captivated Chinese artists for centuries.
Stonehenge is the Landmark of the Month - its well-known around the world and a natural pick.
Persian is our Language of the Month - Every bit as regal as it is ancient.
Our itinerary pick is Hong Kong in a day. Should you be so lucky to be in the area, this guide can help you see it all.
The Cuisine of the Month is Dutch. They have a sweet tooth and so do we!

New features will go up in May, feel free to make suggestions in this thread. The articles should have a healthy amount of content and several pictures! IBcaldera (talk) 19:07, 1 April 2016 (EDT)

Huangshan certainly deserves a spot here. It's not only one of the best-known scenic attractions, but also a cultural icon throughout Chinese history. It would be nice if other well-know mountains such as Mount Tai and Huashan are featured too. 123.139.106.245 07:56, 2 April 2016 (EDT)
The landmark of the month blurb has a typo. Or at least it's missing a word. It says: "There are many theories and questions surrounding." ... which isn't a complete sentence. Probably needs the word "it" at the end. --Mukkakukaku (talk) 11:35, 2 April 2016 (EDT)
Hi, thanks for noticing the typo in the Stonehenge blurn, I just corrected it. Adzas (talk) 11:57, 2 April 2016 (EDT)
Great to see the Dutch Cuisine of the Month! Me being dutch but living in Portugal, I do miss our food sometimes. Eating a liquorice as we speak, brought by guests who arrived....... Adzas (talk) 12:03, 2 April 2016 (EDT)

How to request edits to templates?

Is there a way to "ping" someone with template editing privileges? On other wikis, they usually have some kind of "request edit" template that gets stuck on the talk page with a description of the requested change, but I wasn't able to find the equivalent here on wikitravel.

The IPA template has an extra line break before the <noinclude> which is causing funny formatting when transcluded. If you include a space after using the template, then the line break forces the space to a new line, causing it to preformat the subsequent text. This is causing the My Son page to render oddly.

Can someone fix the template (just remove the line break between the close parenthesis and the <noinclude>), and perhaps add some information somewhere accessible on how to request a change to a template? Thanks, Mukkakukaku (talk) 12:04, 2 April 2016 (EDT)

Fixed Mukkakukaku, this is the best place to ping someone. Thanks for your sharp eye. Koavf (talk) 10:07, 3 April 2016 (EDT)

English food?

I'm travelling to the UK in the fall, mostly staying in Southampton and London. How's the food? I've heard mixed things from friends. IBJoel (talk) 15:28, 12 May 2016 (EDT)

I have tried english food before while I was in london. I found it to be shallow and pedantic. --Tyen (talk) 15:30, 12 May 2016 (EDT)
Ok, all joking aside. While I didn't eat at any fancy restaurants, I found it to be a bit boring and very salty, just wasn't for me. Best of luck on your trip! --Tyen (talk) 11:57, 13 May 2016 (EDT)
South Asian I've heard that the best South Asian food in the world is in the UK (I have never been)--look for Indian restaurants if you like that type of cuisine. And who doesn't? Koavf (talk) 08:29, 14 May 2016 (EDT)
Great tip, I'll have to remember this next time I'm on the others side of the pond! --Tyen (talk) 14:32, 16 May 2016 (EDT)
Basically English food is all co-opted from their historic colonies. I wouldn't be surprised if Hong Kong food is very popular. --Ibrshao (talk) 14:34, 16 May 2016 (EDT)
Interesting Ibrshao, I'll have to try more than just fish and chips and full english breakfast! --Tyen (talk) 16:49, 18 May 2016 (EDT)
Thanks Koavf! I've heard the same, especially about curry! And while I'm kind of a wimp when it comes to spice, I still suffer through it for good Indian. A friend from Gujurat used to make great dinners. Any experience on the more "traditional" UK stuff? IBJoel (talk) 14:47, 16 May 2016 (EDT)
The classic british fish and chips always tends to be better from seaside towns, particularly those with an active fishing fleet. For the full experience ensure you takeaway and eat out of the paper wrapping. Alecf (talk) 16:47, 18 May 2016 (EDT)
Alecf, in the newspaper, right?! Any word on roasts? I'm American and I know they're popular here, but I'm going to take a stab and say they're a little different on the other side of the pond. IBJoel (talk) 16:52, 18 May 2016 (EDT)
Haha yeah, its not printed newspaper, just the same kind of paper. Roast dinners are difficult because a lot of them are mass produced and bland, not your classic home cooked job. Probably have best luck for a roast at a good independent gastro pub. Too many pubs these days have become chains though. Alecf (talk) 17:19, 18 May 2016 (EDT)
The only proper way to do a roast at home is to sous vide and then sear at the end. Once I tried this method, I never went back. --Tyen (talk) 12:53, 19 May 2016 (EDT)

Good Sources for Banners?

Besides Flikr, where are good sites to find free for commercial use images? --Tyen (talk) 11:53, 20 May 2016 (EDT)

Wikimedia Commons and Creative Commons search. Koavf (talk) 01:02, 22 May 2016 (EDT)

Thanks this is good info! --Tyen (talk) 13:49, 23 May 2016 (EDT)

Manizales and Pereira

We have almost the same content on the See section of two pages: Manizales and Pereira. Any experts of Colombia who can help? GiulioC (talk) 10:35, 23 May 2016 (EDT)

Re: Appearance of external links / Front-Linked listings

I am a new user and trying to find an answer to what I think is a simple question: What format should external links have? This is one of the most basic things that people would do in the wiki (adding links to sites) and yet I'm seeing an incongruity between formatting and policy. As it stands in the external links help page [1] we should add labels to web pages and I'm fine with that, but then when I use the code for listings (e.g. " < sleep name="Test Listing" address="" phone="" fax="" url="" price="">Description.</sleep > " ) it automatically goes back to footnotes and I can't seem to change it.

I would not bring this up if it was a recent issue but people have been talking about this (using / not using footnotes; replacing the number of the footnote with a nice icon [2]) since 2007 and yet the code is still doing its same old thing.

As a new user, trying to add info to the site and then having to spend hours (trying to figure out what's going on with external links and why I can't get them to display in the way that I've been told to display them) seems very counter productive and demotivating. It makes me wonder how many other laymen have tried to make changes to pages and then just end up abandoning the whole thing cause guidelines don't match what's really going on and it all just takes to long to find an answer. Latest discussion I've seen about this, just makes it seem as if nothing is being changed and so what [3]

Similarly, the whole discussion about front linked listings has been going on since before 2005 [4] with no clear resolution in the primary guides (help file) on formatting (from what I can see, correct me if I'm wrong). Whilst I at first preferred front links for their aesthetic and simplicity, reading other people's counterpoints make it clear why front links aren't a good idea: As stated by Texugo 21:52, 17 July 2007 (EDT) [5], he points out how some listings appear worse because they don't have hyperlinks or that having longer hyperlinks (thanks to the hyperlinked name being longer) would make them more likely to be clicked.

If icons were to be used (a nice globe icon, easily recognizable as world wide web) this wouldn't need to be a discussion and the points raised would be resolved, using footnotes does solve the issue but people also complain about the aesthetics of it etc. Rhetorical (talk) 14:17, 23 May 2016 (EDT)

Uber/Lyft/Airbnb and the sharing economy

It's been a long time coming - Wikitravel does not have any formal guidelines on listings information about these kind of services on the destination guides. We should figure this out because these services now play a major role in many travelers' lives.

Just some points to keep in mind:

  • we'd like to avoid an overage of AirBnB listings on the guides
  • we'd also really like to avoid people listing their personal Uber/lyft codes for their own gain
  • legality/availability of these services varies from destination to destination

So do you all feel that we should have centralized page containing info about sharing services, or that the info should be on the destination guides themselves, or a combo of the two?

Open floor for all ideas 🙂! IBcaldera (talk) 13:33, 24 May 2016 (EDT)