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Please sweep the pub
So, the TP has been getting kinda crowded and messy. I'd really appreciate if we could all make an effort to clean up a bit by moving discussions to places more appropriate or deleting discussions that have reached their conclusions. It's a tedious job, but like most, it's easier if we do it together. --Evan 16:44, 20 Apr 2004 (EDT)
When is a Country a Country?
I've been looking around a bit to see if I could find a policy regarding how to divide places up by counties. It's obvious for most places, but there are enough disputed territories that it seems worth while: Jammu and Kashmir, Taiwan, Tibet, ect. It would also be fairly easy to do by listing a few criteria. I would suggest: Immigration control/rules (i.e. who issues the visa, controls the border post), and currency would be enough, although I'm open to more. These are two important things for travelers, but to clarify them would limit edit wars by people with political bias. I know that it's kind of already covered by "wikitravel is for travelers" but I do think it's useful to clarify it all the same as to how that relates to national borders. keithonearth 16:35, 29 Jan 2006 (EST)
Suggestion: New field for nearby locations
For people unfamiliar with the geography of towns they visit on this site, I think it would be a good idea to have another sections "nearest places" much like Wiki does for city entries. This would then list links to other places that have entries on this site so one can plan road trips etc.
This is especially useful for small towns. A user may not be interested in what just one town has to offer, but being able to hotlink to other towns nearby and identifying what all the towns provide together makes one more likely to visit the area and plan their excursions... Dawtcalm 09:35, 3 Feb 2006 (EST)dawtcalm
Related Site Project: Wikiscuba
I have started a wiki, http://www.wikiscuba.org, to describe scuba diving locations around the world. It was in part inspired by wikitravel and I thought there could be some wikitravellers interested in participating in the wikiscuba project as well. There is a discussion on Talk:Scuba diving between myself and Jpatokal. We initially disagreed as to whether this warranted an entirely different wiki, but I think we've come to the conclusion that a separate wiki with technical information about diving sites for divers might be preferable over the inclusion of more technical scuba information in wikitravel. In any case, it would be great to have as much 'cross-talk' as possible. I'm sure there are travellers who would benefit from having links to scuba diving information when planning a trip and many divers planning a diving trip would like to find information about the local culture/attractions.
I guess at this point, what I'm fishing (no pun intended) for is any suggestion on how best we could make the dive location wiki interface with wikitravel. Also if anyone is interested in participating in that project, leaving me a message on my talk page would be good. The database at wikiscuba was mostly a try to get acquainted with setting up the wiki. I wouldn't go and create accounts just yet.
Note that there's also another scuba diving wiki that is starting with general technical information about scuba diving (I didn't secure both the .org and .com domain names in the beginning, so ironically it's hosted at http://www.wikiscuba.com/wiki). Although that wiki is probably not interesting for most wikitravellers, it might be of interest to people who use wikiscuba(.org). I'm in the process of discussing with the instigator of the wikiscuba(.com) project to see if he would be open to fusing both projects together.Charles 17:23, 6 Feb 2006 (EST)
Yes, similar to the thoughts you had on Scuba, I was thinking about how information for golfers could be slotted in. Personally, I would much rather these (and other) areas could be kept within WikiTravel to avoid duplication of effort, rather than as seperate sites (wikigolf, wikiscuba). However, I am worried about possible conflicts with the goals/non-goals of wikiTravel. I would like somewhere to read/write details about any particular golf I would be travelling to (even tinpot local courses), however it they would likely not be important enough to list in the Do section, and I am hesitant to create a Golfing in xxx section for every location with a golf course (which is pretty much everywhere). This was why I was starting and appending courses to the Golf section, intending possibly to split it up later when we had multiple course information for a particular region.Hkpatv 01:24, 8 Feb 2006 (EST)
Search will find every occurance of "golf" or "scuba" on Wikitravel and present each pagename. So if golf or scuba info is put on a subpage of the city page it is nearest too, for example San_Francisco/golf, that will display nicely in the Article title matches section of the Search results. Note that because there is a "golf" page in the (Main) namespace hitting ruturn (Go) takes you there instead of to Search results. So you must click Search instead of hitting return.
Can't get to External Links page
I can't get to Wikitravel:External_links right now. I'm getting the error "The page you wanted to save was blocked by the spam filter." I tried to paste the actual error, but of course *that* gets blocked by the spam filter. Jonboy 03:27, 11 Feb 2006 (EST)
How to create a new Disambiguation page
Sorry for the newbie questions, I'm probably missing something here but in the articles on the subject I cannot find how to create a new disambiguation page for two existing locations, namely Rabat in Morocco and Rabat in Malta. PeterW 06:30, 14 Feb 2006 (EST)
Depth and the templates
I am very happy to have found Wikitravel, since this has been going round in my mind since I knew Wikipedia. I could contribute a lot of Information and pictures for Germany (my homecountry), Taiwan, Sint Maarten, Anguilla, Rhodes,... I am very unsure where to add Information, because despite many entries still being largely empty (Taiwan south), There is already a huge and very deep structure present: Of course, Kenting/Taiwan is Pingtung county, which is south Taiwan. But I cannot fill the Pingtung county template, and who will find the Kenting info there with all the empty templates in the way.
I would propose to do a top-down approach, splitting up files as they become too large or too much, instead of building an uncontrollably large structure first and then fill it bottom-up. Generating empty templates for an empty country doesn't help the project, as it annoys readers a lot. Plus, the climate for all of south Taiwan is tropical, which means hot and humid. It does not have to be stated for every single county or region.
Same goes for Munich/Germany, by the way. Yes, Munich can be split into hundreds of sub-units. But then no-one will find this nice restaurant in Rotkreuzplatz/Neuhausen/Munich in the first place. Too deep! I doubt that it is in the interest of the project if I go through these entries and prune like hell. Can someone point me to either the reason for the template-madness or a go-ahead to prune?
Marc 05:30, 18 Feb 2006 (EST)
Jargon is a barrier to newbies
Will someone please tell me what isln stands for? I often come across those jorgons like vfd especially in discussion pages. Search engine does not help me to find those words' meanings. Maybe a glossary page for them? Or discourage to use them.Nightingale 11:31, 19 Feb 2006 (EST)
Checklist for Wikitravellers on the road?
Is there anywhere a list of suggestions for someone on a trip who wants to maximize the usefulness of their experience to this site? If not, would it be worthwile to create such a list. I'm thinking of something like:
Etc. Jonboy 09:51, 20 Feb 2006 (EST)
Arabic and Hindi Wikitravel
Even though I dont speak the languages i was wondering about how to get it up and running? Enlil Ninlil 00:47, 22 Feb 2006 (EST)
Watching all the articles within a region
I think that this question has been asked a while ago, but anyway...
World Cup 2006
The World Cup is happening in June! Some of the pages for the venues already look great and have loads of info, Berlin for example, but some of the smaller venues Kaiserslautern, Hanover to name but a few are looking very bare!
I didn't know whether the whole World Cup could count as a collaboration of the week, but it might be worthwhile grouping a couple of venues together and having a double collaboration of the week or something like that so that they are looking good soon. The tickets are in the process of being handed out to customers after the draw, so people will very soon be looking at places to stay during their trips to Germany, and we will have missed the boat if we dont get it sorted out in the very near future.
What do people think??? Tsandell 15:05 Feb 28 2006
1. Why does the Disclaimers link at the bottom of every page go to an Old Bug Reports page? (Is this a mistake?)
2. Do we need a Disclaimer page? (Wikipedia has one, several actually.)
--Rogerhc 01:35, 6 March 2006 (EST)
Terms of Service?
Do we need any kind of Terms of Service page? (Wikipedia seems to feel they don't need that although they do have drafts that seem to end up concluding, rightly or wrongly, that there is no service and therefore no terms of service because there is no formal service relationship, thus no agreement or terms.)
--Rogerhc 01:35, 6 March 2006 (EST)
Oregon Contributor Activity
There seems to be quite a number of newbie contributors in Oregon for some reason. If you see anyone contributing there, check it out because they often seem to need some guidance. -- Colin 13:30, 10 March 2006 (EST)
As an assignment for a business class at Oregon State my classmates and I are required to update a public wiki with "valuable contributions."
I see the new logo's been put into place, and it looks nice. But I'm still seeing ye olde globe-and-arrow icon as the favicon for the site (the little icon that shows up in the URL field, "favorites" listing, and/or title bar of better web browsers). I'd be happy to make a favicon.ico file, but obviously I can't update it on the site myself. Todd VerBeek 22:11, 18 March 2006 (EST)
Local Interest Infoboxes
Many dead-tree travelguides will have a sidebar with little blurbs containing say, little bits of history, or local interest stories that add dimension and character to a destination. What is Wikitravel's policy on things such as this, if any? I do not see many, if any of these on the site. Is this sort of thing wanted here? I can think of many examples of such blurbs in my area that may interest a traveller and add some insight to the area but they do not fit within the context of the current template style. Any thoughts on this? -- bulliver 03:07, 20 March 2006 (EST)
Suggestion: Article Improvment Drive
I would support an Article Improvment Drive like the one in Wikipedia. We already have the cotw thing for usable articles, but I would suggest AID would be for Guide and Star articles that need to be perfected. Would anyone like this???????? --Worldtraveller 14:20, 22 March 2006 (EST)
Okay but still i'am saying no vandal... Traveler2006 16:47, 28 March 2006 (EST) just a determend user to add info for pages stubs into articles look at Burton Ohio! Traveler2006 16:47, 28 March 2006 (EST)