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Jam Wiki

Is Jam Wiki your brain child and how feasible is it for lay people (anyone who who doesn't even know what HTML stands for) to maintain a website using Jam Wiki? -- Andrew H. (Sapphire) 21:53, 27 October 2006 (EDT)

Hyper Text Markup Language ;-) Yeah, JAMWiki is my little project, although to be completely fair the code started out with the Very Quick Wiki codebase. The install isn't as simple as a normal Windows install - you'd first need to install a web application server such as Tomcat, and you'd need to read through the Tomcat docs to understand how to deploy a WAR file. In addition, upgrades are occasionally painful, although the process is slowly getting easier. I'd encourage you to install JAMWiki if you're interested, but if you're willing to wait a few more releases I'm sure the documentation will only improve, the code will only get more stable, and there will probably be more people at who could help you out if you run into problems. Hope that answers your question, and thanks for the interest! -- Ryan 22:30, 27 October 2006 (EDT)


Thanks. I go by the rules. I have deleted the templates on the individual pages. You can delete the Template page itself. Sorry, for the trouble. -- P.K.Niyogi 03:07, 28 October 2006 (EDT)


The IP that you blocked has begun spamming Wikitravel Shared. Here's the Contributions for on Shared. I don't know if you want to investigate and take a similar measure that you used today. Personally, I don't feel it's necessary to block the IP, because it seems to be random and very weird vandalism, but it seems to go away after a few minutes. -- Andrew H. (Sapphire) 16:24, 29 October 2006 (EST)

I don't have admin access on shared. I agree that the spambot is pretty easy to revert, but since it's an obvious bot and since policy is pretty clear that blocking bots is both OK and expected I figured it was a good way to keep the recent changes from getting too cluttered. Sorry about the Bengals by the way - Browns won :) -- Ryan 20:24, 29 October 2006 (EST)
Thanks for the sympathy. What really gets me is that a miracle was very possible. All we needed were 2 points to tie the game and my beloved Bungles fumbled it away! Oh, well at least the Steelers are doing horrible this year. :) Are you a Browns fan? (If so, Congrats on the win.)
Back the the minor issue compared to the Bengals, if you're convinced that it's a spambot I might block it on Shared, but I'm kind of worried that if it isn't a spambot I've blocked a real person and I don't want that to happen. -- Andrew H. (Sapphire) 20:53, 29 October 2006 (EST)
I'm fairly positive it's a bot - see Special:Contributions&target=, particularly the edits from October 3. The reason I suspect the edits are so bizarre is that the spam list is blocking whatever URL is being added, and that's causing the script to make a bizarre second edit. And yeah, lifelong Browns fan, much to the chagrin of my dad who is a lifelong Steelers fan - he doesn't know what went wrong with his two boys. -- Ryan 00:38, 30 October 2006 (EST)

University of Chicago Links

Hello, Ryan. Thank you for reverting Your Servant's edit to link University of Chicago. You have nipped in the bud an effort Your Servant undertook. As you indicate, universities are not something for which you normally create individual articles; and Your Servant was about to do just that. Instead, Your Servant will study Wikitravel:What is an article?; and he will ask his questions in the Wikitravel:Travellers' pub. Best regards, User:Dionysios | DYYYY2006 | DMMDD1103 | THHMMSS141900 | BXT | 14:18, November 3, 2006 (CST)

How about you correct the entry yourself. Here's your source:

Look at Item 2b, subitem 3, where the chronology mentions that the Anasazi start to "identify" themselves through the material record. The same is true for Mimbres, Hohokam, etc. We, as archaeologists, cannot even begin to assume that we can truly identify a culture solely through material remains. When you read enough SW arch. journals, you'll begin to understand that cultural associations such as that with the Anasazi, are purely based on recognition of pattern via basketware, ceramics, etc. That's precisely why anything pre-formative is classified as Archaic or Paleo. Is that enough for you?

Navajo Nation

Thanks for the welcome. I saw your note on deleting the external link to the navajo nation website. I put my justification on the talk:Navajo Nation. If you'd care to elaborate. I actually thought there was useful information for travellers going to the Navajo nation on that website.Charles 21:12, 4 November 2006 (EST)

As a member of the Diné, Ryan, it amazes me how you have infiltrated wikitravel with your mediocre postings/edits on the Southwest and Diné culture. Although my "abuses" will most likely continue, I cannot help but feel sorry for you, a typical Californian who goes to Phoenix on occasion, and has what is most obviously a limited, surficial knowledge of the region.

I live 30 minutes from White Sands N.M. How many times have you been there? How much of New Mexico have you truly seen? (It's evident that you have visited Utah more than a few times, however, based on your partiality towards its natural resources.) How extensively have you traveled Arizona? Have you hiked Palm Canyon in the Kofas, or spent a week at Organ Pipe? Have you seen a coati troupe meandering through the red rocks (I know you love these particular geologic features) of the Chiricahuas near Portal?

Do you consider the Navajo Nation to be the only native nation worth mentioning, while ignoring our brothers and sisters (the pueblos, Apache, etc.)? Did you realize that Taos and Acoma pueblos are among the longest continuously inhabited sites in the United States? Do you realize that the Apache are related to the Diné linguistically and genetically? Did you know that the Mescalero Apache operate the southernmost "high mountain" ski resort in the country?

I could bother you with endless questions, of which I know you would not feel in the least bit compelled to humble yourself and ask whether or not you are truly qualified to have your fingers in so many articles pertaining to this region.


Thanks for the welcome! This is the first time on WikiTravel that I've got such a quick one. I was on a bit of a hiatus after the birth of my baby, but it's good to be back. I'm also working on another wiki ( Check it out if you get a chance. Kirasw 17:09, 10 November 2006 (EST)


Would you please proofread the understand section of Deadwood? I'd appreciate it. I tend to let sentence run on and throw commas about so you may want to pay particular attention to that. -- Sapphire 18:02, 10 November 2006 (EST)

Hope that helps. I'm an engineer by training, so my writin skills ain't always no good. -- Ryan 18:20, 10 November 2006 (EST)


Check out WikiPedia:Valencia, Santa Clarita, California. This seems to be some sort of Very Special issue seen frequently in Southern California: places wih names that make them appear to be cities, but they are actually just a section of an incorporated city. Besides the three parts of Santa Clarita, a bunch of locales within the City of Los Angeles pretend to be stand alone cities too. Argh. I guess for the traveller, it makes a lot of sense to follow this convention, but I'm concerned that without clear borders on these pseudocities there will eventually be regionlike ambiguity over which article a particular listing belongs in. That's kinda why I ran away from the problem when injecting California hotel entries. If you check out User:Cjensen/project/hotelmaker/California and look for listings whose articles have not yet been created, about 60% of them are for pseudocities. -- Colin 22:14, 12 November 2006 (EST)

...continued at Talk:Valencia (California). -- Ryan 22:32, 12 November 2006 (EST)

Sleep tags

Any opinions on which tags should be in by default (we should totally make this a recommendation at Wikitravel:Listings). I'm thinking just the "recommended tags". -- Colin 23:53, 16 November 2006 (EST)

I don't think "hours" applies to a sleep tag. What do you think? (Though I could see the case for adding check-in and out someday, but those would probably be different tags.) -- Colin 00:06, 17 November 2006 (EST)

I don't understand why hotels can list on WikiTravel but I can't list a luxury vacation home rental company. I stayed there. Its great. One of the nices places I've stayed.  :-( -- Gutsche

Jet lag article

I thought that Wikipedia was completely uncopyrighted. The noticle on their site says :

The Wikimedia Foundation does not own copyright on Wikipedia article texts and illustrations. It is therefore useless to email our contact addresses asking for permission to reproduce content.

Did I miss something or has there been a change? -- MMKK 18:00, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, Wikimedia Foundation is saying they can't give permissions because they don't own the copyrights for the articles. They are not saying that no one owns the copyrights. In fact, the contributors still own the copyright -- so you would have to ask for their permission to copy their stuff. This is similar to Wikitravel where you own the copyright to every bit of text you've typed in. Your continued ownership of the copyright is the only legal guarantee you have that foundation won't someday rip you off and print a commercial travel guide/encylopedia based on your contributions.
And btw, thanks for your continued contributions -- I for one notice that you contribute a ton-o-stuff here! -- Colin 13:24, 17 November 2006 (EST)


moved to Talk:New York (city) -- Colin 23:30, 27 November 2006 (EST)

Los Angeles

Thanks, Ryan. I appreciate the kind words! There certainly isn’t a dearth of (quality) restaurants in Los Angeles, so it’s nice to be able to get them written-up in the travel guide. I stray to other cities occasionally, but since I live in Los Angeles I feel like I really have a better grasp of the culinary scene. Now I’m hungry! (I was unsure where to respond. If it's easier to do so on my Talk page just let me know. Thanks.)


Ryan, I wonder if you have an opinion to share on Wikitravel:Cooperating with WikiOutdoors? --Evan 20:00, 4 December 2006 (EST)

Chiricahua National Monument

I agree, it's "Usable," but the reason I didn't change the status myself is that I've been trying to decide what a "UsablePark" template might look like, and was delaying until I had a satisfying answer. Any thoughts? The things that make a "park" article useful are not necessarily identical to those for city, region, etc. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 17:04, 9 December 2006 (EST) (P.S. Give WikiOutdoors a try; she's doing a good thing, and needs all the help she can get.)

I just realized that there's a usable park template, and it appears to cover most of the items that I'd think are important (lodging, get in, what to do) - if there's a discussion ongoing about this issue somewhere let me know and I'd be able to add my two cents. As to WikiOutdoors, I'll definitely take a look, although I've just started a new job and my time has been limited. I'd also like to see her change the license, which I think is something that's being discussed. -- Ryan 18:31, 9 December 2006 (EST)
Moved from Wikitravel:Requests for comments by Andrew H. (Sapphire) 18:47, 9 December 2006 (EST)
  • Wikitravel:Park guide status Just finished creating a whole set of status templates and guide status guidelines specific to National Parks. Would appreciate if a few people would go through and check what I've put down and add anything else needed. Tim 15:39, 18 August 2006 (EDT)
I just updated the Chiricahua status (and made a couple of minor changes to the Usablepark template). -- Bill-on-the-Hill 18:49, 9 December 2006 (EST)

Union (Maine)

Discussion moved to Wikitravel talk:Deletion policy#Union (Maine)

Culver City

Guide indeed, good article! Surfas is great and the traffic lights, indeed, are not - I kept my ticket though, the photo was fairly decent  :) Cacahuate 01:57, 25 December 2006 (EST)

Thanks - this article has been in that gray area between usable and guide for a while, so I somewhat impulsively upgraded it today. And my traffic ticket photo was none too great, and it (along with my $350, argh) are now long gone. -- Ryan 02:43, 25 December 2006 (EST)

LA districts

Do you have opinions regarding either of these related discussions? I'd like to move forward with them soon... sorry they're so long-winded, but if you have a second...

If not, well keep on ignoring them  :) Cacahuate 02:02, 26 December 2006 (EST)

Admin nomination

I've nominated User:Cacahuate to become an admin; please comment on Wikitravel:administrator nominations when you have some time. --Evan 01:31, 6 January 2007 (EST)


sorry, i thought that the rule applied only for images. could you please re-format the text. i mentioned it in the edit history, so just compare it with the last version, pick out the text and write it in your own words. i'll have a shot at it myself, if it looks different enough from the original, i'll add it. Take care. Upamanyuwikitravel 13:38, 30 January 2007 (EST)

Re: JensAndMarian Discussion

No problem; I almost put it there myself, and probably would have except that the Copyleft talk page was already fairly long.

The real question is whether we've learned anything from this episode and whether anything needs to be done. It would be nice if the "discussion" (to use the polite word) were to continue under circumstances that prevent a recurrence. I'm not optimistic. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 14:44, 2 February 2007 (EST)

Joseph Stalin

Hi Ryan, this guy is making life hell for everyone by changing names. You're an administrator, can't you tell him to get lost and bump him off permanently.

Upamanyuwikitravel 09:28, 6 February 2007 (EST)

changes in Wikitravel talk:External links

Apologies for my deletion in Wikitravel talk:External links, I didn't mean to do that.

BTW, after your unrevert, I also restored my comment in Wikitravel talk:External links#Guidebooks (Reference to), hopefully you don't mind (or let me know if you do). --DenisYurkin 22:42, 8 February 2007 (EST)

Deletion archives

Hey Ryan, thanks. I only left that in case someone objected with my reasoning, but perhaps I should have raised that question somewhere else like on the deletion policy page... thanks! - Cacahuate 20:06, 21 February 2007 (EST)


You're pictures are great, never noticed before, until I just came across the White Sands one... nice work! If you're ever bored we should meet up for coffee or something, I'm back in LA semi-permanently for now - Cacahuate 20:11, 22 February 2007 (EST)

Thanks! Some of the photos are better than others... I'm living in Culver City and working in El Segundo right now - weekdays are pretty much a lost cause due to work, but if you're in the area on a weekend let me know and you can regale a poor cubicle dweller with stories from your most recent trip. -- Ryan 20:20, 22 February 2007 (EST)

Myer centre

Hahah, I wish it was only food and beverage theft! I was drugged TWICE with sodium oxybate AND gassed with hydrogen sulfide at this centre. Security failed to do a single thing about any of the three incidents!


Thanks I forgot about how dangerous the Myer Center was. Seriously, though, your reply was pretty funny. -- Sapphire(Talk) • 23:36, 24 February 2007 (EST)

What's funny about it?


Hi, thats alright, I just thought that being fact it might need to stay, although as you say I don't think the traveller needs to know political details, thanks for your input --MiddleEastern 08:50, 1 March 2007 (EST)


Hi, Do we warn main page spammers? Just seems like anon users haven't been being warned recently? --MiddleEastern 14:35, 5 March 2007 (EST)

The vast majority of the spam on the site comes from automated scripts, many of which are running on computers without the computer's owner knowing about the script, so there's generally no point in issuing a warning since there isn't a person who would read it. -- Ryan 14:45, 5 March 2007 (EST)
No problem --MiddleEastern 16:35, 5 March 2007 (EST)


Hi Ryan,

can you send me an email at [email protected]? I have some questions I'd like to ask you.



Greetings from the Midwest,

National Geo is televising a documentary about the Galapagos Islands and I know you've been there. How much did it cost you to go? -- Sapphire(Talk) • 21:38, 18 March 2007 (EDT)

It's not a cheap place to go (see Galapagos#Get around), and you really get what you pay for. If you had tons of time you could fly there and visit some of the towns for probably $1000, but to see the best wildlife spots on a good boat over 10-14 days is gonna cost anywhere from $3000 - $6000+. The last two times I've gone I've chartered an entire boat and brought 16 friends, which kept costs down, but it was still around $2500 - $3500 per person plus airfare. -- Ryan (talk) 21:44, 18 March 2007 (EDT)

User pages

No problem with that revert. This one just caught my eye and irritated me because he does not contribute, only advertise. I'll vfd a photo from the same user in a moment Image:Romanya60.JPG

My apologies for stuffing up your talk page when I tried this reply earlier, connection to wikitravel is on a go-slow and firefox did not want to play nicely. I think it is an indication that I now need to step away from the keyboard and call it a day --NJR_ZA 13:31, 20 March 2007 (EDT)


Thanks for the info about the isin template? I tried to find the answer but got lost. Oh well, again, thanks!!! Celticevergreen 18:07, 31 March 2007 (EDT)


Any idea what's with that guy? -- Bill-on-the-Hill 20:22, 31 March 2007 (EDT)

See also Talk:Southwest (United States of America). -- Colin 20:58, 31 March 2007 (EDT)
In addition to the talk page for the Southwest, see the second comment under #University of Chicago Links and #Navajo Nation above. I had hoped that my evil plans to infiltrate Wikitravel by making mediocre edits to articles about places that I haven't lived in for my entire life would go unnoticed, but apparently I've been discovered. -- Ryan (talk) 21:50, 31 March 2007 (EDT)
You're in good company; now he's started in on me, my Texas affiliations (huh? I've spent maybe 20 days in Texas in my life), my Ph.D., and you name it. Obviously a borderline personality at work; I suppose the best thing is just to do quiet reverts. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 22:27, 31 March 2007 (EDT)
I don't know why this guy feels the need to lash out, but while totally inappropriate the personal attacks are pretty easy to ignore. I can't tell if he's trolling of if there are other issues at play, but some of the edits regarding Southwestern history do seem helpful, so reverts may not always be needed. In any case, it's nice to have some company in the mischaracterize-the-Southwest conspiracy; I was getting lonely being the only one with a secret agenda! -- Ryan (talk) 22:36, 31 March 2007 (EDT)
Actually, I did incorporate his concerns about heat in southern New Mexico, biliously expressed though they may be. The fraction of the state in which summer heat is an Arizona-like hazard is fairly small (maybe 20%, and most of that territory is lightly traveled), but it's non-zero, so may as well apply the TTCF principle. The rest of the stuff I reverted is just Way Out There. Only a "Texan" calls the Rio Grande "the Rio" rather than "the river"? Then 90% of the population of New Mexico has been proclaimed a "Texan" -- and them's fightin' words. Seriously. It's a serious insult here. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 23:32, 31 March 2007 (EDT)

Spam filter

What goes through your mind when you blacklist sites like tightpu%%^? -- Sapphire(Talk) • 03:51, 1 April 2007 (EDT) happy I am that my name will forever be associated with such wonderful prose? Any chance I ever had of running for political office has most likely been ruined by my association with our spam filter. -- Ryan (talk) 03:55, 1 April 2007 (EDT)
Yup, your political career is ruined — "rubber glove (which Earthing doctors use in unspeakable ways to treat the male of the species)." -- Sapphire(Talk) • 16:43, 1 April 2007 (EDT)

Wikitravel ToC

Ryan: once again through the ToC grind. If you have a few seconds, please share your impressions about [1] on [2]. --Evan 12:31, 5 April 2007 (EDT)

Lost Paddle Rafting

Hi Ryan! I apologize for posting multiple listings for my web on wiki-travel. I was so excited to discover this site I guess I got carried away with posting it to what I believed to be relevant categories. If you could please remove my site www.lostpaddlerafting dot com from the blacklist I will repost it only in the city I am located. Or, can I place it under Colorado since we operate through-out the state? Please let me know where you think it might be most appropriate and I'll place it only once. Thanks! jwick p.s. I had to write out dot com as I am still black listed:)


What's the reason for the revert of my contribution to Kyoto? 22:31, 3 May 2007 (EDT)

He probably reverted your edits because you deleted most of the article. -- Sapphire(Talk) • 22:38, 3 May 2007 (EDT) that was of course NOT intended. It is some weird mechanism that i haven't figured out yet. I think this has happended before. Sorry. 22:43, 3 May 2007 (EDT)

No worries. It's happened to everyone at least once. -- Sapphire(Talk) • 22:47, 3 May 2007 (EDT)

spam blacklist

Hi, I added the "generic terms" because that's what the spambot is using. I don't think they'll ever relate to wikitravel, whereas the hostnames used (mostly university proxies) probably will. Jordanmills 15:10, 10 May 2007 (EDT)

Looks like you guys just blocked the IP, so I reckon it's a non-issue now. Jordanmills 15:12, 10 May 2007 (EDT)
It was a bunch of IPs, so either they gave up voluntarily or the blacklist sent them away. -- Colin 15:15, 10 May 2007 (EDT)

Mountain View (California)

There are a lot of female travelers that would welcome information on nail salons etc. I know a number of professional woman that seldom gets time to pamper themselves while doing the 9 to 5 thing, so they always incorporate this into their holidays. Maybe information like that can go under the Cope section? --NJR_ZA 05:42, 15 May 2007 (EDT)


Hi there!

This is Ryan from Internet Brands. I've been in touch with Evan and Michele over the past several months, but I haven't had a chance to introduce myself to you and the other sysops, so I'm taking some time out now to address each of you. I'd love to solicit your opinion on something, so I'd very much appreciate it if you could email me directly at the following address: [email protected]

In any case, keep up the good work, and I look forward to hearing from you! - Pastrami on Ry 17:43, 17 May 2007 (EDT)

Thanks Ryan! I appreciate the contact from Internet Brands, but in all honesty I'm a bit uncomfortable with utilizing private channels of communication for wiki-related discussions. If you'd like to you can contact me using the "email this user" link in the left-nav, but preferably it would be great if communication about wiki-related issues could be open to the entire Wikitravel community, rather than just a chosen few. I realize that the nature of open discussions is a bit chaotic and scary, but despite its shortcomings it has proven to be remarkably productive when things are done as transparently as possible - the fact that Wikitravel has come so far is an example of what is possible. -- Ryan • (talk) • 02:12, 18 May 2007 (EDT)
Oh sure, I will definitely utilize the E-Mail this user button on the left. It isn't showing up on your default User Talk page, but I see it here, now that I'm editing (is that normal?). In any case, I completely understand the value of open discussions on the Wiki and so forth, and I will most certainly address or bring up any future issues in the open community channels. Thanks for responding! - Pastrami on Ry 19:02, 31 May 2007 (EDT)

Wait... I stand corrected... I DO see the "E-Mail this user" button now. How strange... - Pastrami on Ry 19:04, 31 May 2007 (EDT)

Wiki rules

Hello there hoss, Your history is evidence that you spend a considerable amount of time on your site. I think it can be a great resource, I want to understand the rules.

I wanted to beef up some san diego content and so I posted a link to a neighborhood guide from our visitors site and you nuked it.

I am not going to go through the trouble of redoing it nor am i looking to challenge you. I merely would like to understand where you find the line to be drawn. I understand you fight a constant battle daily and so you seem to have it nailed down.

However there is not many sites left on the web that does not have some affiliate with making money. I understand these pages have ads but I was not going to rewrite their whole guide and i figured a dot org would have held some grace with you.

Thanks for taking the time to explain and then go get some fresh air!

universal edit button

interestingcacahuate talk 02:51, 23 May 2007 (EDT)

CotW unscheduled nominations are getting a bit thin!

We could do with a few more suggestions for articles that could be future CotWs, so if you know of any please be sure to add them to the list! Thanks -- Tim (writeme!) 08:04, 4 June 2007 (EDT)

Thanks for redirection help!

LADave 01:16, 6 June 2007 (EDT)

Thanks for the heads up

... on our friend. My instinct was pretty good I guess, but I played it straight anyways. OldPine 19:24, 27 June 2007 (EDT)

He seems to like you. It's a shame he isn't willing to contribute more constructively since I bet his writing would be the combination of witty and sarcastic that makes for interesting reading. I was explaining him to my roommate, and based on his ability to respond to suggestions in a completely unhelpful way the best analogy I could come up with was the evil genie that grants you three wishes that all backfire in some way. -- Ryan • (talk) • 19:51, 27 June 2007 (EDT)
Ha! That's a fabulous bit of analysis! A fricken genie! Well that explains it! He does like me, doesn't he? I may have to revise my opinion that he's a mofo. Y'know, I sometimes think that my work here is pretty much tilting at windmills. I mean, yeah, I'm contributing, but if anything it's somehow karmic (hopefully)... there will be no real fame, no monetary remuneration, just some sort of satisfaction not understood by many. One could say it is nearly a waste of time. But wow, this guy really wastes his time (and ours). I suppose "whatever floats one's boat". Wikitravel does it for some people in the most bizarro of ways. OldPine 21:49, 27 June 2007 (EDT)

Inspired by my new Barnstar, I unpacked a huge number of links in St. Louis, did a lot of anonymous work on some secret places a certain friend shouldn't learn about, and generally kicked WT butt! Thanks ;) Speaking of butt, mines a little sore. Later. OldPine 17:50, 1 July 2007 (EDT)

The power of the barnstar is something, huh? I noticed the special friend cleanups, and they're much appreciated. I suspect we'll be seeing a lot more from him between now and when school starts in the Fall, so if you ever do change your mind about being an admin, the delete button is only a nomination away :) -- Ryan • (talk) • 18:00, 1 July 2007 (EDT)

Local spam blacklist

Thanks for your timely reminder about not being too hasty in adding website addresses to the spam blacklist, which I think you were spurred to write by my doing just that with a persistent spammer on the Mandarmani article. Actually, in some cases, I think the contributors just assume that a guide is a natural place to add their company's website and are not necessarily spammers (per se). At least, at you say, we should inform them of the policy and give ample them the opportunity to stop, and resorting to using the blacklist should be a final resort only. Anyway, I appreciate the reminder, and I'll be more aware to use other methods first in the future. WindHorse 04:11, 2 July 2007 (EDT)

Not fair

Hey! I wanted to delete Glendale!  :( Regarding the challenge you gave our friend, how many points is he up to? -- Sapphire(Talk) • 17:02, 3 July 2007 (EDT)

Wikitravel:Votes for undeletion :-P As to the Chicken challenge, it's an interesting place, and if he's bored and wants to write about small towns it's as good as any - population is less than 40 but it sees several thousand tourists a year. Besides, the story behind the name is classic Alaska. -- Ryan • (talk) • 17:42, 3 July 2007 (EDT)

San Leandro

You have destroyed a lot of my hard work. You have to be ashamed of yourself. =(

Isn't past your bedtime? -- Sapphire(Talk) • 23:21, 9 July 2007 (EDT)
Everyone appreciates your contributions, but we've been trying in many ways to get your attention for a while now - see the comments on Talk:San Leandro, when you click on the "Edit" link for the "Eat" section of the San Leandro page, and on User talk: -- Ryan • (talk) • 23:27, 9 July 2007 (EDT)

Split pages

Ryan, you had some thoughts about the plan to tech:optionally split long guides into one page per section. Since I've got a new version of software on review: to do this, I'd love to get your feedback on the shared: tech page. --Evan 13:27, 10 July 2007 (EDT)

Uploading pictures problem

Thanks for the clear to understand explanation of the links....

I have also been having a problem with d/l the pictures. I upload them, but the link I need to paste it to the picture, is not there....[[picture.jpg|discussion} This!!!

so I have nothing to copy to paste to the main page....The only way that I can get that, is by d/l again, immediately after the first time

Something seems to be wrong...and needs to be fixed somehow, because I was stopped twice today, from adding a picture to the article.

Flowergirl 23:16, 14 July 2007 (EDT)


Away for a week, so I won't be around to annoy newbies with cross-edits for a while :) (sometimes I just can't help myself). Keep up the good work. Love ya, man. OldPine 20:33, 20 July 2007 (EDT)


This was just a silly mistake on my part. For some reason I missed that this was in the user's userspace and I didn't get any hits for L'Aquatique, Idaho. Thanks for catching that! I'm afraid it's not possible to be on the opposite side of this argument ;) --Peter Talk 23:03, 24 July 2007 (EDT)


Hey, guy. I was going to change this to an "otheruses" for Madison, WI -- see the talk page there -- but thought I'd run it by you first. It happens to be your disambiguation. Not a big deal one way or the other. Verbeek is usually my litmus for these things, but haven't seen him around. OldPine 07:41, 2 August 2007 (EDT)

I tend to have the minority view in contentious "most famous" debates (eg. Talk:Saint Petersburg) so I'll defer to the judgment of others - I've only been to the cheese state once, so if you think the home of the Badgers should get the "Madison" article then I'd say go for it. -- Ryan • (talk) • 12:22, 2 August 2007 (EDT)
Excuse me for jumping in, but to be fair, I think you were actually with the majority in that case, but since we were utterly unable to bridge the gap between those pro and con, we left it as is. --Peter Talk 02:41, 3 August 2007 (EDT)

RFC archives

Hi Ryan, since you were earlier leaning towards keeping the RFC archives, would you mind commenting on the current proposal being discussed here? I personally like the current motion, but wouldn't want to push it through without hearing from you first. Thanks! --Peter Talk 02:41, 3 August 2007 (EDT)

ip blocks

I just unblocked an ip that you blocked since there was only 3 edits and nothing too hard to keep up with, but I'm a little tired and simulating drunk, so sorry I did that without us coming to some sort of conclusion at Wikitravel talk:User ban nominations yet. – cacahuate talk 04:19, 23 August 2007 (EDT)

I can't find the discussion at the moment, but the policy in the past has been that if something is obviously a bot and it spams more than once then it usually gets blocked. The reason we don't use blocks on users is that we prefer soft-security, but in the case of a bot trying to encourage better behavior is obviously pointless. -- Ryan • (talk) • 11:11, 23 August 2007 (EDT)

Apartments in Madrid

Thank you for your explanation about my article´s removal. The thing is that as freelance, my fiscal physical addres is my personal one, were there´s no problem to receive renters in case. Even is the same street number, same main door, where two of my to-rent apartments are. I don´t have an office where clients must pick up the keys, as myself, as courtesy service, receive clients at their apartment. Things so, does this mean that if I include my fiscal address on my site, I can insert the article again? Sorry, and thanks again. I tried to do my best with the rules!

Admin nominations

You're quite correct. Will follow your advice. Upamanyuwikitravel( Talk )( Travel ) • 05:55, 19 September 2007 (EDT)

Anonymous blocks

Thanks for stepping in, but unfortunately, I don't think those blocks of the anonymous spammers are going to help much in and of themselves. Other wikis where I admin are having the same problem, namely, something somewhere that spams from an address, then automatically shifts addresses. They usually don't spam more than a few times from the same address before the whole thing goes dormant. The only antidote that I've ever found is the blacklist; thanks for doing that too, that has a chance of stemming the flood.

I'd really like to know what's in the mind of these cretins who do these attacks. They are targeted incredibly precisely against wikis. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 23:03, 8 October 2007 (EDT)

I think it's a typical spam attack - trigger a botnet to throw out thousands of links and hope that some of them stick, somewhere; I suspect that the ROI for these sorts of attacks is extraordinarily low, but since the cost to the perpetrators is zero it probably won't stop anytime soon. As to blocking IPs, I only block IPs that have made more than one edit - it doesn't seem like it hurts at all, and some of the edit histories show that the same IPs return after the one month block ends. Maybe it doesn't do much, but it's worth trying, falls in line with the Wikitravel:Script policy, and gives me a minor sense of accomplishment :) -- Ryan • (talk) • 23:10, 8 October 2007 (EDT)
I'm curious as to whether the spam links still reside in some history version of the page. That is, we can bring up and edit an old version of a page, so are those links still available to search engine spiders? -- OldPine 23:24, 8 October 2007 (EDT)
The history of the spam is available in article histories, but the robots.txt file specifically tells search engines not to include any of those old pages in search engines (Disallow /wiki/ is the magic line). It doesn't matter though - just like 99% of spam emails get blocked by the spam filters, spammers only care about the 1% of their links that don't get reverted. They indiscriminately spam wikis, message boards, blog comments, and anything else they can find, which is a huge PITA to deal with, but at least for now the price we pay for allowing anyone to contribute. Google is getting smarter about actually decreasing the ranking for sites it identifies as spam, so with any luck in a couple of years this sort of thing will hopefully be less prevalent. -- Ryan • (talk) • 23:38, 8 October 2007 (EDT)
I just added an entry to the blacklist -- first time I've done that. Could you check to make sure I did it right? Thanks. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 00:36, 13 October 2007 (EDT)
Looks good. -- Ryan • (talk) • 00:42, 13 October 2007 (EDT)

Vandalism policy?

I don't know about you folks (I'm sending the same message to several), but I for one am getting sick and tired of the intentional vandalism that's going on here. I am trying to start a discussion on Wikitravel talk:Community policies as to whether something more forceful needs to be in place to deal with it. Historically, we have bent far over backwards to avoid punitive action against vandals and have simply gone in and cleaned up the messes they create. However, the frequency of vandalism is growing, and I am not convinced that we are doing Wikitravel a service by tolerating it. This said, I'm not at all sure what the "right" response is.

I'd appreciate your participation in the discussion on that talk page. Let's see if we can come up with something appropriate. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 11:45, 19 October 2007 (EDT)

Protecting the main page

Could I request that you not use the expiration field when you protect the main page? I discovered after you protected the main page once using an automated expiration option, that it also removed the move protection when the protection expired. That's when the vandal was able to move the Main Page around.

I see that you have removed protection and kept the move protection, which is great. I only mention this just for future reference. Cheers. -- Sapphire(Talk) • 08:08, 20 October 2007 (EDT)

Your advice wanted

Is this: User:SouthAfrica OK do you think? -- OldPine 16:28, 24 October 2007 (EDT)

My opinion is that user pages can be basically used for anything that's not vile, illegal, or too unscrupulous. Letting business owners use them for advertisement seems fine as long as it doesn't get out of control, and it gives us an "out" for those who claim their links should be allowed in articles since they are travel related. That said, there was a conversation a while back about questionable user pages, and others had very different opinions - I think the discussion was in the Pub if you're inclined to go searching :) -- Ryan • (talk) • 18:21, 24 October 2007 (EDT)
Thanks. My diminished memory of that pub discussion was probably what led me to think it was questionable. --OldPine 19:46, 24 October 2007 (EDT)

Proliferation of new users

Did you see the huge number of users created (by another recently-created user) just before your recent block? I smell a spam attack coming, but am not convinced we can do anything pre-emptive. Opinion? -- Bill-on-the-Hill 11:31, 26 October 2007 (EDT)

I haven't ever actually seen the "created account for" thing before. Dunno what's going on there, whether someone is messing around, just testing, or what's going on... -- Ryan • (talk) • 12:25, 26 October 2007 (EDT)
I saw that a few times several months ago, and when I asked Evan what it meant he didn't seem to know. Strange... – cacahuate talk 02:55, 27 October 2007 (EDT)

Troll blocks

Hey Ryan, I'll leave the block be for now, but isn't it against policy to ban users without first discussing? As far as I'm aware they weren't crossing any lines that we have drawn up for immediate bans. "Keeping up" with them couldn't be any more easy, and as a matter of fact, I was kind of enjoying the cat and mouse game ;) --Peter Talk 22:46, 7 November 2007 (EST)

And as you might have noticed, dynamic ips make the whole user ban thing kind of pointless--and it makes offenders feel gratified, because they feel like they are beating the response by getting around it. --Peter Talk 22:49, 7 November 2007 (EST)

stop deleting my stuff --Lone.guner 14:32, 2 February 2008 (EST) how dare u call me a troll --Lone.guner 14:41, 2 February 2008 (EST)

San Francisco Rock and Roll Hall of Fame

Dear Ryan, I have just seen your edits at relating to Rudy Colombini's Center for the Performing Arts and The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, both at 1353-1355 Bush Street, San Francisco. To answer your question about where they belong - actually neither of these venues exist. 1353-1355 is a hotel called the James Court Hotel, aka The Nob Hill Pension There are plans to set up a musical venue here but they are stalled, apparently due to objections. This is not going to come to fruition for at least 3-4 years, if at all.

This is really just spam, probably put there by the owner, Rudy Colombini himself, as the IP address resolves to 835 Hyde Street - the offices of his company Pacific Equities West LLC. For some information on him and his spamming activities- please see an article on Wikipedia at This article documents how he has been a persistent spammer on Wikipedia - trying to pass himself off as a member of the real band 'The Divine Comedy', advertising his hotels on an encyclopedic website, replacing links to desirable and notable hotels and establishments with those of his own.etc etc...

Actually, there is also a hell of a lot of spam been put here on Wikitravel too from this same IP. See As you can see this guy has been flagrantly deleting references to all his competitor hotels, advertising his hotels under San Fran districts that they are clearly not in, constantly editing an artice to ensure that his hotels always remain at the top of the list and advertising non-existent musical venues. I know that, unlike Wikipedia, you are allowed advertise on Wikitravel, but surely this kind of behaviour is bad for the community. I am new to 'Wiki's' and don't quite know how to address this. Any ideas?? I was thinking of setting up a page to deal with this matter - similar to the one that was set up on Wikipedia. Do you think this would be appropriate or do you have any other ideas on how to deal with this. Would appreciate any help. Thanks Asterix 14:31, 7 February 2008 (EST)

I'm going to copy this note to Talk:San Francisco where others might see it. Thanks for the info. -- Ryan • (talk) • 20:35, 7 February 2008 (EST)

WTP on Lulu

Thanks for the heads up -- that's the second time already that Lulu has just "lost" the alias to the store. Fixed now, but who knows for how long... Jpatokal 06:52, 4 August 2008 (EDT)

Admin nomination

Hey, I just nominated User:LtPowers for sysop status. I'd appreciate it if you would comment here. Thanks! --Peter Talk 18:59, 17 August 2008 (EDT)

Latvia is a lawful part of Northern EU

Hi, I see your Europe's hierarchy page, but to me, and most other geographers that seem really naive. Latvia is lawfully and officially a part of Northern Europe and is been so since her independence proclamation; saying otherwise means you don't know much about its history. I would love you to read these facts which show just a little bit of the history, but there, of course, is much more than that: Before the Soviet occupation, Latvia had no bounds with Russia or any other eastern european country, but as early as 5th century Latvia has strong bounds with Sweden (read Curonians), being an important part of the Viking era. Since that time and being under Swedish rule for more than hundred years, latvians, especially courlanders are significantly influenced by Swedes. The strong bounds between south-eastern part of Sweden and especially, Gotland, and denmark died out only after the russian occupation. Ruhnu is geographically a Latvian island, oficially- Estonian, this island has been for centuries populated by pure Swedes, in fact, they had to flee to Sweden when the Soviets came in in 1941 and later 1944. So, clear Swedish island, with a significant, unique Swedish culture for centuries now..a part of Eastern europe? How comes? This is not the only island, of course. The rights for the land have been granted back to Swedish families. 2. Latvia was a part of the Hanseatic League. It was a strong, significant alliance upon which most of Latvia's cities and culture are even built, it had absolutely nothing to do with any of the East as it was strongly and an alliance of only the Northern Europe. 3. Latvia's TRUE indigenous people- livonians are hundred percent, full blooded finno-ugric, having a finno-ugric language and sharing extreme cultural similarities with Finns. Eastern european you say? 4. Latvia and Estonia share significant cultural similiarities with the rest of the Northern countries. You simply have to visit one of those countries and I'm sure, you won't be willing to call it Eastern europe. 5. Anthropoligacally, Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania have nothing to do, whatsoever, with none of the Eastern countries. You should read more on this matter. Latvians, Estonians and Finns have split from the same branch, with Latvians picking up different language branch but having strong bonds with Estonians still to this day. I ask you to do something in this matter, even the big wikipedia have got things right, and so do most of other encyclopedias, it would be wrong to have some self-made (and wrong made!) "hierarchy" on quite an important page, when Baltic countries are officially (and I repeat this- officially) a lawful part of the Northern europe. I'd love to see the truth on this page, one day.