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Jam Wiki

Is Jam Wiki your brain child and how feasible is it for lay people (anyone who who doesn't even know what HTML stands for) to maintain a website using Jam Wiki? -- Andrew H. (Sapphire) 21:53, 27 October 2006 (EDT)

Hyper Text Markup Language ;-) Yeah, JAMWiki is my little project, although to be completely fair the code started out with the Very Quick Wiki codebase. The install isn't as simple as a normal Windows install - you'd first need to install a web application server such as Tomcat, and you'd need to read through the Tomcat docs to understand how to deploy a WAR file. In addition, upgrades are occasionally painful, although the process is slowly getting easier. I'd encourage you to install JAMWiki if you're interested, but if you're willing to wait a few more releases I'm sure the documentation will only improve, the code will only get more stable, and there will probably be more people at who could help you out if you run into problems. Hope that answers your question, and thanks for the interest! -- Ryan 22:30, 27 October 2006 (EDT)


Thanks. I go by the rules. I have deleted the templates on the individual pages. You can delete the Template page itself. Sorry, for the trouble. -- P.K.Niyogi 03:07, 28 October 2006 (EDT)


The IP that you blocked has begun spamming Wikitravel Shared. Here's the Contributions for on Shared. I don't know if you want to investigate and take a similar measure that you used today. Personally, I don't feel it's necessary to block the IP, because it seems to be random and very weird vandalism, but it seems to go away after a few minutes. -- Andrew H. (Sapphire) 16:24, 29 October 2006 (EST)

I don't have admin access on shared. I agree that the spambot is pretty easy to revert, but since it's an obvious bot and since policy is pretty clear that blocking bots is both OK and expected I figured it was a good way to keep the recent changes from getting too cluttered. Sorry about the Bengals by the way - Browns won :) -- Ryan 20:24, 29 October 2006 (EST)
Thanks for the sympathy. What really gets me is that a miracle was very possible. All we needed were 2 points to tie the game and my beloved Bungles fumbled it away! Oh, well at least the Steelers are doing horrible this year. :) Are you a Browns fan? (If so, Congrats on the win.)
Back the the minor issue compared to the Bengals, if you're convinced that it's a spambot I might block it on Shared, but I'm kind of worried that if it isn't a spambot I've blocked a real person and I don't want that to happen. -- Andrew H. (Sapphire) 20:53, 29 October 2006 (EST)
I'm fairly positive it's a bot - see Special:Contributions&target=, particularly the edits from October 3. The reason I suspect the edits are so bizarre is that the spam list is blocking whatever URL is being added, and that's causing the script to make a bizarre second edit. And yeah, lifelong Browns fan, much to the chagrin of my dad who is a lifelong Steelers fan - he doesn't know what went wrong with his two boys. -- Ryan 00:38, 30 October 2006 (EST)

University of Chicago Links

Hello, Ryan. Thank you for reverting Your Servant's edit to link University of Chicago. You have nipped in the bud an effort Your Servant undertook. As you indicate, universities are not something for which you normally create individual articles; and Your Servant was about to do just that. Instead, Your Servant will study Wikitravel:What is an article?; and he will ask his questions in the Wikitravel:Travellers' pub. Best regards, User:Dionysios | DYYYY2006 | DMMDD1103 | THHMMSS141900 | BXT | 14:18, November 3, 2006 (CST)

Navajo Nation

Thanks for the welcome. I saw your note on deleting the external link to the navajo nation website. I put my justification on the talk:Navajo Nation. If you'd care to elaborate. I actually thought there was useful information for travellers going to the Navajo nation on that website.Charles 21:12, 4 November 2006 (EST)

As a member of the Diné, Ryan, it amazes me how you have infiltrated wikitravel with your mediocre postings/edits on the Southwest and Diné culture. Although my "abuses" will most likely continue, I cannot help but feel sorry for you, a typical Californian who goes to Phoenix on occasion, and has what is most obviously a limited, surficial knowledge of the region.

I live 30 minutes from White Sands N.M. How many times have you been there? How much of New Mexico have you truly seen? (It's evident that you have visited Utah more than a few times, however, based on your partiality towards its natural resources.) How extensively have you traveled Arizona? Have you hiked Palm Canyon in the Kofas, or spent a week at Organ Pipe? Have you seen a coati troupe meandering through the red rocks (I know you love these particular geologic features) of the Chiricahuas near Portal?

Do you consider the Navajo Nation to be the only native nation worth mentioning, while ignoring our brothers and sisters (the pueblos, Apache, etc.)? Did you realize that Taos and Acoma pueblos are among the longest continuously inhabited sites in the United States? Do you realize that the Apache are related to the Diné linguistically and genetically? Did you know that the Mescalero Apache operate the southernmost "high mountain" ski resort in the country?

I could bother you with endless questions, of which I know you would not feel in the least bit compelled to humble yourself and ask whether or not you are truly qualified to have your fingers in so many articles pertaining to this region.


Thanks for the welcome! This is the first time on WikiTravel that I've got such a quick one. I was on a bit of a hiatus after the birth of my baby, but it's good to be back. I'm also working on another wiki ( Check it out if you get a chance. Kirasw 17:09, 10 November 2006 (EST)


Would you please proofread the understand section of Deadwood? I'd appreciate it. I tend to let sentence run on and throw commas about so you may want to pay particular attention to that. -- Sapphire 18:02, 10 November 2006 (EST)

Hope that helps. I'm an engineer by training, so my writin skills ain't always no good. -- Ryan 18:20, 10 November 2006 (EST)


Check out WikiPedia:Valencia, Santa Clarita, California. This seems to be some sort of Very Special issue seen frequently in Southern California: places wih names that make them appear to be cities, but they are actually just a section of an incorporated city. Besides the three parts of Santa Clarita, a bunch of locales within the City of Los Angeles pretend to be stand alone cities too. Argh. I guess for the traveller, it makes a lot of sense to follow this convention, but I'm concerned that without clear borders on these pseudocities there will eventually be regionlike ambiguity over which article a particular listing belongs in. That's kinda why I ran away from the problem when injecting California hotel entries. If you check out User:Cjensen/project/hotelmaker/California and look for listings whose articles have not yet been created, about 60% of them are for pseudocities. -- Colin 22:14, 12 November 2006 (EST)

...continued at Talk:Valencia (California). -- Ryan 22:32, 12 November 2006 (EST)

Sleep tags

Any opinions on which tags should be in by default (we should totally make this a recommendation at Wikitravel:Listings). I'm thinking just the "recommended tags". -- Colin 23:53, 16 November 2006 (EST)

I don't think "hours" applies to a sleep tag. What do you think? (Though I could see the case for adding check-in and out someday, but those would probably be different tags.) -- Colin 00:06, 17 November 2006 (EST)

I don't understand why hotels can list on WikiTravel but I can't list a luxury vacation home rental company. I stayed there. Its great. One of the nices places I've stayed.  :-( -- Gutsche

Jet lag article

I thought that Wikipedia was completely uncopyrighted. The noticle on their site says :

The Wikimedia Foundation does not own copyright on Wikipedia article texts and illustrations. It is therefore useless to email our contact addresses asking for permission to reproduce content.

Did I miss something or has there been a change? -- MMKK 18:00, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, Wikimedia Foundation is saying they can't give permissions because they don't own the copyrights for the articles. They are not saying that no one owns the copyrights. In fact, the contributors still own the copyright -- so you would have to ask for their permission to copy their stuff. This is similar to Wikitravel where you own the copyright to every bit of text you've typed in. Your continued ownership of the copyright is the only legal guarantee you have that foundation won't someday rip you off and print a commercial travel guide/encylopedia based on your contributions.
And btw, thanks for your continued contributions -- I for one notice that you contribute a ton-o-stuff here! -- Colin 13:24, 17 November 2006 (EST)


moved to Talk:New York (city) -- Colin 23:30, 27 November 2006 (EST)

Los Angeles

Thanks, Ryan. I appreciate the kind words! There certainly isn’t a dearth of (quality) restaurants in Los Angeles, so it’s nice to be able to get them written-up in the travel guide. I stray to other cities occasionally, but since I live in Los Angeles I feel like I really have a better grasp of the culinary scene. Now I’m hungry! (I was unsure where to respond. If it's easier to do so on my Talk page just let me know. Thanks.)


Ryan, I wonder if you have an opinion to share on Wikitravel:Cooperating with WikiOutdoors? --Evan 20:00, 4 December 2006 (EST)

Chiricahua National Monument

I agree, it's "Usable," but the reason I didn't change the status myself is that I've been trying to decide what a "UsablePark" template might look like, and was delaying until I had a satisfying answer. Any thoughts? The things that make a "park" article useful are not necessarily identical to those for city, region, etc. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 17:04, 9 December 2006 (EST) (P.S. Give WikiOutdoors a try; she's doing a good thing, and needs all the help she can get.)

I just realized that there's a usable park template, and it appears to cover most of the items that I'd think are important (lodging, get in, what to do) - if there's a discussion ongoing about this issue somewhere let me know and I'd be able to add my two cents. As to WikiOutdoors, I'll definitely take a look, although I've just started a new job and my time has been limited. I'd also like to see her change the license, which I think is something that's being discussed. -- Ryan 18:31, 9 December 2006 (EST)
Moved from Wikitravel:Requests for comments by Andrew H. (Sapphire) 18:47, 9 December 2006 (EST)
  • Wikitravel:Park guide status Just finished creating a whole set of status templates and guide status guidelines specific to National Parks. Would appreciate if a few people would go through and check what I've put down and add anything else needed. Tim 15:39, 18 August 2006 (EDT)
I just updated the Chiricahua status (and made a couple of minor changes to the Usablepark template). -- Bill-on-the-Hill 18:49, 9 December 2006 (EST)

Union (Maine)

Discussion moved to Wikitravel talk:Deletion policy#Union (Maine)

Culver City

Guide indeed, good article! Surfas is great and the traffic lights, indeed, are not - I kept my ticket though, the photo was fairly decent  :) Cacahuate 01:57, 25 December 2006 (EST)

Thanks - this article has been in that gray area between usable and guide for a while, so I somewhat impulsively upgraded it today. And my traffic ticket photo was none too great, and it (along with my $350, argh) are now long gone. -- Ryan 02:43, 25 December 2006 (EST)

LA districts

Do you have opinions regarding either of these related discussions? I'd like to move forward with them soon... sorry they're so long-winded, but if you have a second...

If not, well keep on ignoring them  :) Cacahuate 02:02, 26 December 2006 (EST)

Admin nomination

I've nominated User:Cacahuate to become an admin; please comment on Wikitravel:administrator nominations when you have some time. --Evan 01:31, 6 January 2007 (EST)


sorry, i thought that the rule applied only for images. could you please re-format the text. i mentioned it in the edit history, so just compare it with the last version, pick out the text and write it in your own words. i'll have a shot at it myself, if it looks different enough from the original, i'll add it. Take care. Upamanyuwikitravel 13:38, 30 January 2007 (EST)

Re: JensAndMarian Discussion

No problem; I almost put it there myself, and probably would have except that the Copyleft talk page was already fairly long.

The real question is whether we've learned anything from this episode and whether anything needs to be done. It would be nice if the "discussion" (to use the polite word) were to continue under circumstances that prevent a recurrence. I'm not optimistic. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 14:44, 2 February 2007 (EST)

Joseph Stalin

Hi Ryan, this guy is making life hell for everyone by changing names. You're an administrator, can't you tell him to get lost and bump him off permanently.

Upamanyuwikitravel 09:28, 6 February 2007 (EST)

changes in Wikitravel talk:External links

Apologies for my deletion in Wikitravel talk:External links, I didn't mean to do that.

BTW, after your unrevert, I also restored my comment in Wikitravel talk:External links#Guidebooks (Reference to), hopefully you don't mind (or let me know if you do). --DenisYurkin 22:42, 8 February 2007 (EST)

Deletion archives

Hey Ryan, thanks. I only left that in case someone objected with my reasoning, but perhaps I should have raised that question somewhere else like on the deletion policy page... thanks! - Cacahuate 20:06, 21 February 2007 (EST)


You're pictures are great, never noticed before, until I just came across the White Sands one... nice work! If you're ever bored we should meet up for coffee or something, I'm back in LA semi-permanently for now - Cacahuate 20:11, 22 February 2007 (EST)

Thanks! Some of the photos are better than others... I'm living in Culver City and working in El Segundo right now - weekdays are pretty much a lost cause due to work, but if you're in the area on a weekend let me know and you can regale a poor cubicle dweller with stories from your most recent trip. -- Ryan 20:20, 22 February 2007 (EST)

Myer centre

Hahah, I wish it was only food and beverage theft! I was drugged TWICE with sodium oxybate AND gassed with hydrogen sulfide at this centre. Security failed to do a single thing about any of the three incidents!


Thanks I forgot about how dangerous the Myer Center was. Seriously, though, your reply was pretty funny. -- Sapphire(Talk) • 23:36, 24 February 2007 (EST)

What's funny about it?


Hi, thats alright, I just thought that being fact it might need to stay, although as you say I don't think the traveller needs to know political details, thanks for your input --MiddleEastern 08:50, 1 March 2007 (EST)


Hi, Do we warn main page spammers? Just seems like anon users haven't been being warned recently? --MiddleEastern 14:35, 5 March 2007 (EST)

The vast majority of the spam on the site comes from automated scripts, many of which are running on computers without the computer's owner knowing about the script, so there's generally no point in issuing a warning since there isn't a person who would read it. -- Ryan 14:45, 5 March 2007 (EST)
No problem --MiddleEastern 16:35, 5 March 2007 (EST)