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::I get that, yes. BUT, can we not say with certainty that any user *created by another user* is a spambot, since there's no legit reason for a real user to do this?--[[User:IBobi|IBobi]] [[User talk:IBobi|talk]] [[Special:EmailUser/IBobi|email]] 15:08, 9 August 2012 (EDT)
::I get that, yes. BUT, can we not say with certainty that any user *created by another user* is a spambot, since there's no legit reason for a real user to do this?--[[User:IBobi|IBobi]] [[User talk:IBobi|talk]] [[Special:EmailUser/IBobi|email]] 15:08, 9 August 2012 (EDT)
::: Probably, but at this point everyone is erring on the side of caution and not blocking accounts unless they are 100% sure that the account is a bot.  Since you guys have access to the logs and database you're probably in a better position to analyze the "created by" accounts to see if any of them have made non-spam contributions - if they haven't then I'd say blocking them is fine. -- [[User:Wrh2|Ryan]] • ([[User talk:Wrh2|talk]]) • 15:36, 9 August 2012 (EDT)

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User page on es:

Just out of curiosity, why did you create es:Benutzer:Wrh2? I figure it must have been a mistake? "Benutzer" is not a valid namespace on es:, and you already made es:Usuario:Wrh2... texugo 23:53, 17 January 2012 (EST)

Dammit. I'm not sure what happened - I've recreated that page at its proper location (German Wikitravel - de:Benutzer:Wrh2). Please delete the page on es:, and sorry for the confusion. -- Ryan • (talk) • 00:58, 18 January 2012 (EST)

linking to wikimedia commons ogg pronunciation files

is it forbidden? because my link in Çorlu article was removed by you. if it is forbidden, should i upload the same file to wikitravel?--MesterSlagteren 19:55, 20 January 2012 (EST)

shared:Image policy#Other media and Wikitravel:External links#What not to link to provide some guidance on the subject, but the short answer is that links to audio guides and use of audio files is something that the Wikitravel community decided not to encourage. -- Ryan • (talk) • 20:13, 20 January 2012 (EST)

Sao Paulo

Thanks for the compliments Ryan. =) Too bad my half-vacation time is over. User:Edsonaoki, 01:26, 25 January 2012 (UTC+01:00)

iquitos jungle lodge

hello am i doing something that is forbidden by adding my company to wiki was on here for quite a while in the past and in the recent months i have seen that it keeps getting removed. we are a real company, registered and licensed. what am i doing that is breaking the guielines?! —The preceding comment was added by

ManitiExpeditions (talkcontribs)

Please read Wikitravel:Don't tout. As that guideline indicates, if you replace another listing with your own or move your listing to the top then it will likely be removed. Also, if you add a listing that is not in English it will definitely be removed as this is the English version of Wikitravel - other language versions of the site are available for contributions in languages other than English. -- Ryan • (talk) • 20:34, 21 February 2012 (EST)

hello ryan can you please explain why my listing was removed a while back. I originally listed it in 2009 and it stayed up there for a while for some reason it was removed. —The preceding comment was added by ManitiExpeditions (talkcontribs)

An anonymous user removed the listing [2] with the comment "Deleted Maniti Camp Expeditions, probably a fake tour company due they copy and paste someone else profile's and change contact information.". -- Ryan • (talk) • 15:10, 27 February 2012 (EST)

Ryan I believe that one of my competitors had deleted my listing and then replaced my listing with their own (Amazon Expeditions). When I had made my original listing I was on top and I had not noticed that my listing had been deleted to quite a while after and while. Can you give me the authorization to put my listing back on top? or can you do this for me please? —The preceding comment was added by ManitiExpeditions (talkcontribs)

Since your interest in Wikitravel seems to be primarily motivated by a desire to market a specific company you will find the answer to most of your questions in Wikitravel's guidelines on marketing. If you still have questions you can ask them on that article's talk page or in the Pub. -- Ryan • (talk) • 20:12, 27 February 2012 (EST)

The images are not copyrighted and are obtained after an agreed release from a third party/ or personal shoot. Its only that I am building a resource for my city but you keep removing stuff. I have clearly seen and understood the upload warning


Hi Ryan, somehow the block of Craiqzkriz doesn't work. Do you have know why? Jc8136 04:16, 16 March 2012 (EDT)

What do you mean by "doesn't work"? A blocked user won't be able to edit or move any pages, with the one exception of their own talk page. If a blocked spambot spams its talk page multiple times I usually protect the talk page from further edits with a note indicating it was protected due to ongoing spam. -- Ryan • (talk) • 10:57, 16 March 2012 (EDT)

Infinite duration blocks

My concern with the policy for infinite blocks is that most administrators are not unchecking the "Automatically block the last IP address used by this user" option – and since most of the spambots are not on long-term fixed connections, that's effectively putting in an infinite block on whatever unfortunate innocent user might get that address in the future. I've certainly set anonymous IP address blocks where a review of the edit history shows a spammer/vandal in 2012, but then a few legitimate contributions to something utterly unrelated in 2008, and I would prefer to avoid blocking legitimate would-be contributors when that order is reversed.

Since temporarily blocking a spammer's address is genuinely useful, and since I've seen very few spambot accounts come back for more later (only the ones that try recreating their User_talk: pages, I think), a generic three-month block with the IP address blocking turned on seems like a good compromise. Infinite blocks, to me, are only ever a valid option with "block last IP" turned off. — D. Guillaime 19:34, 17 March 2012 (EDT)

Inas did some testing on this and it looks like the underlying IP is not being permanently blocked - see the thread at Wikitravel:Travellers' pub#Spambots. -- Ryan • (talk) • 19:41, 17 March 2012 (EDT)
Oh, that's good to know. Objection withdrawn! — D. Guillaime 19:56, 17 March 2012 (EDT)


Hi Ryan, i have seen your comments above and was thinking about to start the empty skeletons. It's an UK IP address with someone trying to reshape our Pakistan structure. Shall we block him for one day to get his attention and start the cleaning process? Jc8136 11:27, 27 March 2012 (EDT)

I've tried 10 minutes blocks during times that he/she was editing with a pointer to User talk: without any result. It seems like either the user is ignoring the talk page messages or isn't comfortable with English, and if that's the case then I'm not sure if a longer block would help. I'm stumped on what to do here - the user has obviously put in some effort, but that effort is just creating additional work for everyone else who contributes to this site. If you've got additional ideas they would be appreciated! -- Ryan • (talk) • 11:39, 27 March 2012 (EDT)
I worked over Pakistan articles and edits for the last couple years (see the talk page of the main article and the Stay safe issues...) Usually its guys in the UK or Pakistan trying to improve and don't understand our policy. Usually a longer block with a clear message/link helped to engage. Nevertheless we need to start the clean-up, otherwise inexperienced user start to use the newly created articles and then it gets messy! Jc8136 11:48, 27 March 2012 (EDT)

IP Block

Hello -- please fix what appears to be a typo in an IP block you made "20:27, 26 March 2012, Wrh2 (Talk | contribs) blocked (Talk) (expires 20:27, 2 April 2012, anon. only, account creation blocked) (Repeated vandalism)" you have a slash where a period ought to be. Thank you,--IBobi 15:47, 29 March 2012 (EDT)

Did you intend this to be a range block? In that case, they should be much more brief than this; we're talking hours, not weeks.--IBobi 15:56, 29 March 2012 (EDT)
The block was listed at Wikitravel:User ban nominations# for discussion and comment in accordance with policy. -- Ryan • (talk) • 16:41, 29 March 2012 (EDT)
Fair enough ;)--IBobi 19:21, 29 March 2012 (EDT)

Ocean Spray Hotel


I am wondering why did you delete that page? 18:35, 10 April 2012 (EDT)

Articles about individual businesses are subject to speedy deletion per Wikitravel:What is an article and Wikitravel:Deletion policy. If you'd like to list a hotel simply click on the "add listing" link in the "Sleep" section of Miami Beach/Mid Beach, Miami Beach/South Beach or Miami Beach/North Beach (whichever of those three is appropriate for the hotel's location). See Wikitravel:Where you can stick it for guidelines on what should go into each article section. -- Ryan • (talk) • 18:39, 10 April 2012 (EDT)

Stockholm Image Deletion


May I enquire as to why my image of the Stockholm rail map was removed and nominated by deletion?

Many thanks.

Globentrekker 16:48, 14 April 2012 (EDT)

See shared:Votes for deletion#Image:Railmap.JPG. -- Ryan • (talk) • 17:04, 14 April 2012 (EDT)

KK to Brunei in a day Merge

Why did you request that Kota Kinabalu to Brunei in a day be merged with Malaysia? It refers to a specific route in a very specific part of Malaysia and does not make sense as a part of the overall country page. Per Wikitravel's guidelines on what qualifies as a page, this seems a proper itinerary.

Dancgreer 16:17, 16 April 2012 (EDT)

Best Western Plus Siding 29 Lodge on the Banff page

Hi Ryan, thanks for the corrections on capitalization. I changed the hotel name back from "Best Western" to our legal name of "Best Western Plus Siding 29 Lodge". This is consistent with wiki policy as it is our actual legal name. Thanks --BanffABHotel 20:32, 17 April 2012 (EDT)

Holiday Inn Houston

Hi, just curious why you keep deleting the Holiday Inn Houston - Reliant Park listing. I am keeping the listing in line with the other hotels listed on that page, and don't mean to be doing anything against the rules. What do I need to do to list the hotel properly?


This website is the most useful for travellers in Indian railways. Why removing it? Yann 15:53, 24 April 2012 (EDT)

Since your question is about a Wikitravel site policy please comment on the talk page for the policy page I linked to in the edit summary (Wikitravel:External links#What not to link to). -- Ryan • (talk) • 16:09, 24 April 2012 (EDT)

The Super Shredder

Super Shredder [1]

Over the past year or two, you have put in a tremendous effort towards cleaning up this site, in terms of getting rid of orphaned, /en hosted images of dubious origin and utility, outline itineraries and topics, devising new methods of getting rid of other dead weight, and generally streamlining our operations. Thanks! --Peter Talk 20:54, 25 April 2012 (EDT)

The barnstar is much appreciated, but the inclusion of vintage TMNT makes it something to someday tell the grandkids about. -- Ryan • (talk) • 21:25, 25 April 2012 (EDT)

Anand Ashram

Hi Ryan, I am very unconvinced concerning this content introduced into the Bali article. I have edited the recent reinstatement of the content however I note it was previously removed and has returned, still with a touty emphasis. I have not seen the publication so it is difficult to assess the appropriateness of the content in a travellers context. I have left a note on Ikan's talk page as well as I know he has also been working on some corrective edits associated with Anand Ashram and Anand Ashram's previous contributions. I am also a little curious about Adisucipta and obviously the new contributions in the reading section of the Bali article raises the question of who Adisucipta and Anand Ashram are, and if indeed they are the same contributor. Both IK and I have left a note on Anand Ashram's talk page, doesn't seem to have had much effect though. I have also recently been editing Anand Ashram content in the Jakarta, Ubud and Bogor articles. -- felix 08:17, 9 May 2012 (EDT)

It looked like an advertisement to me the first time I removed it - the book was published in 2010 as far as I can tell and is not available on Amazon, so it can't be a "must read". I've seen that ashram a few times before while patrolling, so it looks to me like a promotional addition. -- Ryan • (talk) • 10:45, 9 May 2012 (EDT)
I agree completely and fully support your removal of the listing. -- cheers-- felix 22:31, 9 May 2012 (EDT)

deleting photo

Why did the photo of Snowbird get deleted on the Sandy page? —The preceding comment was added by Nathan123 (talkcontribs)

See my comments at User talk:Nathan123. -- Ryan • (talk) • 13:22, 9 May 2012 (EDT)

Change username

Hello! Could you please change my username from Zhouhana to Zhounana (replacing the h with an n)? Thanks in advance. User:Zhouhana, 02:01, 29 January 2012 (UTC+08:00)

Done. -- Ryan • (talk) • 14:35, 28 May 2012 (EDT)


Thanks Ryan. I just noticed the page as well! Not off to a great start. It seems the "Al Qal'a of Beni Hammad" site in Algeria has been incorrectly placed near Bechar in the west of the country, when it is meant to be in the north, according to official information: [3]. Also, do you know how the information about heritage sites are meant to be presented? The Expedition mentions creating articles for each site, although the Wikitravel's policy is destination articles only. JamesA >talk 00:44, 29 May 2012 (EDT)

I don't think the expedition has seen attention in some time, although it was quite active for a while. As to how sights should be presented on Wikitravel, Wikitravel:What is an article is probably the best guide - if a UNESCO site is an attraction such as the Statue of Liberty it should be added as a listing within the appropriate article, but if the site is a park or town (quick rule: can you sleep there) such as Yellowstone National Park then it definitely gets its own article. For borderline cases you can always just start a discussion in the Pub or on the appropriate region article talk page. -- Ryan • (talk) • 00:58, 29 May 2012 (EDT)
Thanks for the guidance. Many of the sites are borderline, located in the middle of deserts with no signs of civilisation in sight. Instead of starting dozens of discussions, I'll resolve on placing them in the article of the closest settlement, even if it is 20km away. I also think that the articles that are about UNESCO sites (or have one in their "See" section) should include a small template. It could display a small UNESCO logo in the corner, to let readers know there is a UNESCO site at the destination, and also help with adding categories, further organising the articles. It's fairly minor, so I might just go ahead and add it as I clean up the articles. JamesA >talk 02:37, 29 May 2012 (EDT)

Japan Travel Guide

Hi Ryan. Could you please give more information about why FindJPN was removed from the Tokyo travel guide's Do section? personally didn't think I was touting or incorrectly listing a tour, but rather just providing information. Is there any way the wording could be updated for the information to remain? Thanks!

Unreal user page

Excuse me, can you look at this page, and, is that page can be deleted? It was made by an anonymous user. Thank you. Dhio270599 15:21, 11 July 2012 (EDT)

Huh [4]? You don't want to just delete this? --Peter Talk 00:39, 12 July 2012 (EDT)
I've tried eight times [5] and finally flagged it VFD so it doesn't get forgotten. See shared:Tech:Delete Working Inconsistently. -- Ryan • (talk) • 01:31, 12 July 2012 (EDT)
I tried again just now and it worked. Ninth time is the charm, apparently. -- Ryan • (talk) • 02:38, 12 July 2012 (EDT)

Jani's repetitive links

Jani has continued to post inappropriate links to the competing fork discussion, and has now added one to his personal blog at I'd like to remove those 3 links. Will you support?--IBobi talk email 13:38, 12 July 2012 (EDT)

I'm going to stay out of it. I'm personally uncomfortable with using Wikitravel as a platform for discussing a fork (I think it's impolite towards IB), but at the same time the discussion is relevant to everyone who has volunteered thousands upon thousands of hours creating the site's content. Additionally, there isn't any precedent for censoring discussions that are relevant to travel/Wikitravel - the Wikitravel:External links policy is meant to discourage promotion but not discussion, so (for example) while a link to Tripadvisor is inappropriate in an article, it would not be inappropriate if discussing whether or not a description of that hotel was fair or not. -- Ryan • (talk) • 14:55, 12 July 2012 (EDT)
What about links to a user's personal blog?--IBobi talk email 15:13, 12 July 2012 (EDT)
I'd really prefer to stay out of this argument, as it seems like a conflict of corporate interest vs. community interest. If a fork is a bad idea then it should be simple to refute any suggestion that one be considered, but instead the focus seems to be more on killing any discussion of the matter, something I'm not at all comfortable with. -- Ryan • (talk) • 16:20, 12 July 2012 (EDT)
The area we're getting into is Wikitravel project vs Wikitravel site. They are distinct, but with massive overlap. The administrators of the project may see benefit in a discussion about moving elsewhere, but the site is under no obligation to host a discussion about harming itself. Until now, WT policy has been sufficient in most regards to govern both situations. It appears this may no longer be the case. I am not certain that project policy even applies in this case, as it has not been broached since WV, and then it was clearly not sufficiently investigated.--IBobi talk email 17:29, 12 July 2012 (EDT)

Spambot blocking

I noticed that you changed my block settings for User:Jt3b6q5v4v. It's hard for me to figure out how, though. Did I do something wrong? The form is different post-upgrade, and I'm less sure that I understand the ramifications of the different check boxes as well as I did before. --Peter Talk 18:43, 12 July 2012 (EDT)

I opened the block page in one of many tabs while reviewing edits and apparently finally got to the tab and "blocked" the user after you had already done so. I think it was just an overlap - sorry. -- Ryan • (talk) • 18:46, 12 July 2012 (EDT)
Ah, gotcha. --Peter Talk 18:49, 12 July 2012 (EDT)

I see you unvlocked a couple of my blocked users, which I think I understand. We should be blocking any account that is created by another user (because there's no legit reason for a member to create another member), but not necessarily the user who created the spambot, because that may be an example of the exploit that's allowing spambots to hijack accounts... right?--IBobi talk email 14:58, 9 August 2012 (EDT)

At this point I haven't been blocking any user unless they create a spam page that follows the same patterns as what we've been seeing from other spambots. The user creation log has shown "legitimate" users as having created other accounts, so I don't know that that information can be relied upon to be accurate. -- Ryan • (talk) • 15:06, 9 August 2012 (EDT)
I get that, yes. BUT, can we not say with certainty that any user *created by another user* is a spambot, since there's no legit reason for a real user to do this?--IBobi talk email 15:08, 9 August 2012 (EDT)
Probably, but at this point everyone is erring on the side of caution and not blocking accounts unless they are 100% sure that the account is a bot. Since you guys have access to the logs and database you're probably in a better position to analyze the "created by" accounts to see if any of them have made non-spam contributions - if they haven't then I'd say blocking them is fine. -- Ryan • (talk) • 15:36, 9 August 2012 (EDT)