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Thanks for your help fixing the syntax errors listed on User:Nicolas1981/Syntax_checks!

I wanted to fix the probable typo "the journey can more just" on your user page but unfortunately it is protected.

Happy New Year! Nicolas1981 03:06, 5 January 2010 (EST)

nice pic

--Bostonian 04:48, 8 January 2010 (EST)

Maps and things

Stefan, I have finally gotten around to re-writing How to draw a map and would be grateful for any input you might have. I have explained the thinking on Peter's talk page so will not clog up your page with the same words. And completely unrelated - your input on my London/Hampstead starnom would be appreciated :) Cheers. --Burmesedays 04:55, 8 January 2010 (EST)


Nice to see such an OtBP Russian destination getting so much love! --Peter Talk 14:07, 11 January 2010 (EST)

Yeah, It's absolutely my favourite Russian city after Saint Petersburg of the ones I've visited (Moscow, Suzdal, Nizhny Novgorod, Kazan, Ekaterinburg, Novosibirsk, Irkutsk, Ulan Ude and the ones on Sakhalin). I really think it deserves more attention. But it's mainly an effort to get last Russian city apart from Komsomolsk which I didn't visit, in the Russia to Japan via Sakhalin itinerary up to something usable. Next stop Wakkanai, though it looks like it may take a while to get this to where I want it. --Stefan (sertmann) talk 16:38, 11 January 2010 (EST)
Really? That's actually the first time I've ever heard anything nice about it—my info was from Turkish & African exchange students who told horror stories... Usually people rave about Kazan as the "third best place to be." Agreed about St Petersburg, though, of course. It's the most beautiful and romantic city in the world, even in a state of disrepair. (It might be in better restored shape now than when I was there.)
Russians hardly ever use accent marks in prose (and never any other type of diacritics beyond ё, and even that they use sparingly), but they will show it occasionally in parentheses or at the top of a wiki article for words Russian speakers won't know how to pronounce. Russian pronunciation is nearly 100% regular, provided only that you know where on what syllable the stress falls. Since users of English Wikitravel presumably won't be familiar with much any Russian place names, it would be good for us to always include it in the article title. --Peter Talk 16:58, 13 January 2010 (EST)
Hmmmm, don't know where that is coming from, judging from my travel blog post from Khabarovsk, I was just as enthusiastic when I visited :). And the disrepair of Saint Pete is not at all bad these days, as long as you stay in the centre that is. Anyway cheers for the pseudo write up. --Stefan (sertmann) talk 17:12, 13 January 2010 (EST)


why did you erase my contribution to the Tenerife article? The link is to a really good map, that is hard to find. It provides Information where you can camp for free on beautiful public campgrounds with really nice scenery. There is no commercial interest. I stayed on a lot of these Zonas Recretivas during my holiday. --MoN24 14:12, 11 January 2010 (EST)

We have a pretty strict external links policy, it doesn't always work to our advantage, but we have to stick to it, as long as it there (and the alternative is much worse). If the link is from a official source like the government or spanish camping board it would be OK, and if so, I apologize for being to quick. Otherwise I'm afraid we have to make due without it. In any case, we never have an external links section, if the link is good, we need to incorporate it in the main article. --Stefan (sertmann) talk 16:38, 11 January 2010 (EST)
The link is to an official website from the government and provides really good information. But even if it wasn't, what's the difference? I think it depends on the quality of information and the fact that it is no promotion. It's not important who is hosting the website. I think the visitors of wikitravel have some common interests and expectations during their holiday. So it should be possible to identify the best websites to link to for the average wikitravel user. Most other people that were camping on Tenerife would say hey this map is really useful. But the people who are deleting or approving stuff need to know what they are talking about and they need to know the place. I agree I should have red the help for new users and then I should have wrote a short passage about camping on Tenerife. But I think a lot of people are frustrated and don't want to write anymore because of the deleting insanity. I am from Germany and there it is even worse. So a lot of people are writing for the english version because the rules are not so strict. --MoN24 17:39, 11 January 2010 (EST)
I don't agree much, but it doesn't really matter, we have a rule only allowing official links, so If you want that changed, it's a discussion you should take here rather than with me. To summarize it as short as possible, the main argument is we want to the information to be on Wikitravel, rather than Wikitravels guides being a collection of links to other websites, and so far is the policy seems to have served us pretty well.
Anyway, if it's a government source, I'd encourage you to write a short section on camping on Tenerife using the knowledge you seem like you have to the good of all, and then link from there. Hope that helps - greets from up north in Denmark :) --Stefan (sertmann) talk 17:51, 11 January 2010 (EST)

Banda Islands

Hi Stefan. I took the view to leave the Bandas article alone and let the fella keep on adding! I can certainly sort it out when he has finished. We have so little content for this insanely OtbP region. Cheers. --Burmesedays 10:45, 12 January 2010 (EST)

Russian Federal Districts

I don't think the bureaucracy involved in these have any relevance for travelers, and I'm pretty sure that their "capitals" are just the places where the plenipotentiary envoys have their offices. It's not nearly as important as the distinction between any old city and a capital of a federal subject (like Chukotka AO or Primorsky Oblast), since I don't think they are employing many people. The envoys are there basically to just to be a watchdog on the far flung provincial governments, to prevent them acting like they are their own little countries, with mini-dictators. It takes a really large country to have that sort of problem, but Russia has it indeed. --Peter Talk 15:18, 12 January 2010 (EST)


Ok, I will wait with the regions of Kerala, if you have a suggestion I will be happy to do the details, ClausHansen 08:02, 15 January 2010 (EST)

You might want to comment on this, ClausHansen 18:51, 15 January 2010 (EST)

Bali and Google

Thanks for that heads-up Stefan. I think (only think) you get a truer, raw Google ranking if you eliminate regional bias by going to, and also make sure you are logged out of your Google account. On that basis, Bali is still 6th so I think it is a genuine result. Very pleasing. I did do a bit of back-link work, which will have helped a touch. Understanding the power of Google and its relation to WT does explain a few things. For example, we get loads of Nusa Lembongan business owners making edits here. This clearly explains why. We rank 2nd, higher even than Wikipedia. Cheers. --Burmesedays 20:32, 18 January 2010 (EST)


In the seoul page, the last part says: "Deokso — One of the towns outside of Seoul proper but connected on the subway. Home to the world's first commercially flown 747 which has been converted into a church." Actually I live in Korea and this plane is not a church but a restaurant. I had put a link for it as well..

Do clarify so as to why you had changed it back to the wrong information.