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== Great minds... ==
== Great minds... ==
Hey, take a look at [[Wikitravel:Script_nominations#AutotranslateBot]], [[Wikitravel:Script_nominations#W66InterwikiBot]], and [[Wikitravel:Feature_requests#Auto-translation_of_.27seed_content.27]]. I think we're interested in the same projects! Want to collaborate on these guys? [[User:Maj|Majnoona]] 14:29, 1 July 2006 (EDT)
Hey, take a look at [[Wikitravel:Script_nominations#AutotranslateBot]], [[Wikitravel:Script_nominations#W66InterwikiBot]], and [[Wikitravel:Feature_requests#Auto-translation_of_.27seed_content.27]]. I think we're interested in the same projects! Want to collaborate on these guys? [[User:Maj|Majnoona]] 14:29, 1 July 2006 (EDT)
== Movies ==
i just don't understand why u have deleted teh link to the movies in sibria?!
u have to know that not all people is cabale of buying things from the nearest video store or even buy books from amazons..not everyone here living in usa or erope..there is people who depend only on the net and nothing else..
if u can get resources from other places then that is good !

Revision as of 05:45, 2 July 2006

Inter Railing

It depends when i get to Pamplona i would idealy like to get there fore the Bull Run on the 13th, this would then give me time to get to Berlin by the 15th. I have been offered a place to stay in Berlin i think!

Do you know somewhere good in Barcelona or Madrid? Yeah would like to spend some time there, would prefer Madrid.

Thanks for the help JossDude 11:42, 2 June 2006 (EDT)

Rail in Cuba

You asked about the rail company - it is Ferrocarriles de Cuba.

Did you know that Cuba was one of the first countries in the world to have a railway ? (Before even Spain - of which it was a colony at the time).

Also, the electric Hershey Railway has been described as the last interurban still operating. (Though it now mainly uses railcars imported from Spain).

-- Beardo 19:28, 5 May 2006 (EDT)

To clarify - the Hershey Railway is part of Ferrocarriles de Cuba, which runs all normal passenger services. [There are a few tourist specials - a lot of these are attached to former sugar mills, and so I think are run my Minaz - the Ministry of Sugar.]
I don't think that there is an official website yet. A useful resource is, also see
Thanks for clarifying about 411 - I did wonder. -- 21:03, 8 May 2006 (EDT)

Ko Phai

Hi Andrew You created Ko Phai. Where exactly is this place? Can you add an isIn and a template to it? Thanks. — Ravikiran 07:37, 7 May 2006 (EDT)


Hi Andrew! All the informations in the old districts (e.g. Berlin/Schoneberg aren't in the new districts but the links to the old ones are disabled. So the new districts like Tempelhof-Schöneberg are empty. Could you check if I transfered the content? I was only able to copy and paist the content. Not that we lose that hard worked content if there is any 11:13, 15 May 2006 (EDT)

San Francisco harbor tours

Looks like on 26 April, you put a vfd marker on San Francisco harbor tours, but never put a note on Wikitravel:Votes_for_deletion. Do you want to go ahead do that? I would, but I imagine since you put the vfd on there, you'd give a better explanation than I can come up with right now, which is "this doesn't need an article." -- Jonboy 15:33, 16 May 2006 (EDT)

Oops, it's there now. -- Jonboy 15:54, 16 May 2006 (EDT)

your message

hello there, thank you for your message. I am extremely flattered and surprised that someone would want to use one of my images. If you could kindly send me an email then I can give you more private information, don't really want to post it on a public forum since I like to keep my discretion, I hope you understand.... my email link is functioning, I just checked it myself. with kind regards <font color="red">Gryffindor</font> 22:08, 17 May 2006 (EDT)

Thanks for the help. This is a stubborn one. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 21:25, 23 May 2006 (EDT)

No problem. I just came up with the welcome message. I think the idea of a fine frightens them away. Also, they don't seem to realize that we record IP addresses. A couple of times I've fired off letters to ISP of the vandals and spammers and after being contacted by the ISPs and my emails they normally cease. We have to fight them on a united front. :) - Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 21:28, 23 May 2006 (EDT)

Anywherebuthere's answer

Brian Hey, i am not out of highschool yet, but when i turn 18 i am going to take a trip with my friends (i am 17 still). I have a shot at Georgetown, but valedictorians get turned down there and i am not one, so it's a crapshoot. I guess most schools like that are. anyways, when i have a bit more time i will update the air courier page, just i am starting exams soon. cheers


Hi Andrew. Thanks for the note re: the location of the latest bored student. For the most part the vandals on this site are harmless, and while they're sometimes annoying it's pretty easy to revert changes and let them get bored. Wikitravel:How to handle unwanted edits has some guidelines, but my personal opinion is that it's best to ignore them or possibly drop them a note if they come up with something particularly clever (Wikitravel:Bad jokes and other deleted nonsense is a good collection of the occasional gem). Most of these folks are looking for attention and/or a challenge, so the best way to get them to stop is to make it clear that they really don't bother us in any way. And honestly, having now reverted probably hundreds if not thousands of vandal changes, it really doesn't bother me - if I don't do it, someone else will, and in the end nothing changes for the worse. -- Ryan 00:40, 26 May 2006 (EDT)

Right. I just thought it was a little funny when I inserted the IP address and it popped up with that. I normally don't bother with the vandals, however, as we've had Willy on Wheels impersonators of late I've been taking extra care to watch anon edits. I actually found one vandal particularly amusing so I redirected his entire work - Mars to the bad jokes collection.
I was actually quite suprised by the effectiveness of my note to a vandal in Costa Rica. It worked so well I actually got an apology email from him.
Plus, harassing the vandals has a psychological benefit for me. :) - Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 01:24, 26 May 2006 (EDT)

On São Paulo pictures

Will contact them - but the biggest chance is that the pic is actually public domain already, since I doubt they took the pic themselves, thus probably getting it from the municipality. Otherwise, I'll get my lazy ass out there and take the pics myself, since the building is amazingly beautiful :) Cheers! Mattalves 23:57, 26 May 2006 (EDT)

One more thing - what license should I use if the picture is issued by the brazilian goverment, which makes them public domain? Thanks! Mattalves 00:03, 27 May 2006 (EDT)

OK, will check that as soon as possible! If I manage to get hold of any similar pic that's public domain, I'll substitute it. Mattalves 00:07, 27 May 2006 (EDT)

jelly doughnut & splurge hotels in Berlin

Hi Andrew! Everything ok without? You can't be serious with that text about JFK and why you deleted half of the splurge hotels in Berlin? The Interconti, Adlon etc are a good adress. Please change it back. Have a good evening, Jan 17:22, 29 May 2006 (EDT)

I actually only moved the hotels to the Berlin/Mitte district. I figure it would be nicer to somewhat clean up the article. I'm going to try and move some of the Budget hotels/hostels into the district articles. I'm going to move the Adlon back in, because it is a very interesting hotel - Michael Jackson dangling children out the window and all - but it will also be in the Mitte district. Cheers. - Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 17:29, 29 May 2006 (EDT)


I hope for some more interesting travelling post death. You're right, although I claim a variant on adulthood meaning "the moment one becomes an adult!" Hypatia 05:36, 1 June 2006 (EDT)

Admin Nomination

Please see I hope you will accept.


Hi Andrew - Just a note regarding your comments on the vfd discussion for Image:Gbrandt.KohPhiPhi.TonSaiBay.Oct2005.jpg:

Delete, because there is no information about the license. The uploader doesn't have " an email this user" link and he hasn't been around since November. If someone really wants to keep this I suspect the uploader is an editor on Wikipedia and someone could attempt to find him there.

I agree that not having license info is a problem, but up until recently it wasn't being stressed that all images required an explicit license release, so we have hundreds (possibly thousands) of images without an explicit license statement. My sense of things is that the unwritten rule is that new images should have a license statement, but for old images a lack of license release isn't considered grounds for deletion unless the image is found elsewhere (and thus a likely copyvio). As a result, since there was no consensus to delete this image it looks like it will be kept around for a while longer. -- Ryan 17:35, 1 June 2006 (EDT)

Alright, I'm a little hard when it comes to copyrights and licenses and I'm going to ease up. I've been thinking about it. If the creator uploads the image to Wikitravel he/she is there by releasing the image under the CC-BY-SA license, as there is a disclaimer directly under the edit box, which reads: "Please note that all contributions to Wikitravel are considered to be released under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 1.0."
Since noticing that disclaimer I no longer had an issue with deleting or keeping the image, because by uploading the image the creator released it under CC-SA 1.0. - Sapphire

Paris for You

I had to contact The Paris Convention and Visitors Bureau to find out if the guide was still published and if there was a online version. This guide book is published by the official tourism agency is hugely useful and should be added to the Paris article at some point.



Sometimes you have to manually hit the wikitravel cache over the head. Go to the web page in question, and click the "history" tab. Then edit the URL in your browser and replace "history" with "cache" and hit enter to fetch that web page. The cache gets flushed and you get the most up-to-date version. I did that with the forex page, and it's all betah now. -- Colin 03:43, 2 June 2006 (EDT) Noted. Thanks. - Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 03:47, 2 June 2006 (EDT)


Hi Andrew - I've removed the "For other places with the same name, see Orleans" from Orleans (France) since we normally only link to disambiguation pages in the case of "most famous" destinations, such as Paris (which links to the Paris (disambiguation) page using the {{otheruses}} template). It can probably be assumed that someone visiting the Paris (Texas) article wasn't looking for Paris, France, so pointers to the disambiguation page usually aren't needed. I think this is spelled out in Wikitravel:Article naming conventions, but I haven't had coffee yet and might be way wrong. -- Ryan 11:58, 3 June 2006 (EDT)

...and now that I'm looking at it more closely, we seem to have Orleans and Orleans (disambiguation). Wikipedia says that this one meets the "most famous" rule, so I'll go ahead an un-disambiguate. Ignore the above! -- Ryan 12:06, 3 June 2006 (EDT)

You're welcome

I too need to download IE7 sometime and see what happens... — Ravikiran 15:09, 6 June 2006 (EDT)

I normally dislike sleek looking programs, but I must confess IE 7 is rather enjoyable and much easier to use than IE 6 was. It took me less than 25 seconds to understand it's format. - Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 15:11, 6 June 2006 (EDT)

Image credit

This is what you need to type to use the template.

{{Template:Imagecredit| credit= <<credit>>| captureDate=16 March 2005|location = Mumbai, India | source=[[Wikipedia: Image:GatewayIndia.jpg | Wikipedia ]] |caption=Gateway of India|description=The '''Gateway of India''' is Bombay's most recognizable symbol. The foundation stone was laid in 1911 to commemorate the visit of King George to India. It was completed in 1914. }}

Not terribly user friendly, I'm afraid, so I decided to wait till Evan did some magic with the Inputbox extension before pushing strongly for its use. — Ravikiran 07:49, 9 June 2006 (EDT)

Hopefully, with the magical powers it will be more user friendly. I kind of like it, but one thing I was wondering is what about the license declaration? Shouldn't that be incorporated somewhere? - Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 07:56, 9 June 2006 (EDT)
It did have a license declaration. I took it off today because now the upload form asks you for a license and displays the license prominently on the page. So asking for a license again seemed redundant. — Ravikiran 08:05, 9 June 2006 (EDT)

Directing people to Shared

I'm not sure we're really ready to start actively directing brand-new users to upload images to Shared instead of EN. Since we don't have a working mechanism in place yet for deleting files there, and it's not getting monitored very closely yet, we could end up with a lot of files that we have to go back through and purge. Plus there isn't much of a support structure there for clueless newbies. - Todd VerBeek 10:49, 9 June 2006 (EDT)

I see your point and I'm actually a little concerned about the person I just directed there, but I also make a point to go to Shared almost hourly to see if there are new users. I created a welcome message over there to prevent copyvios and such. Also, in my hourly visits I double check any images uploaded to make sure they are appropriate and are not copyvios. - Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 10:55, 9 June 2006 (EDT)

About Cúcuta

You posted at Cúcuta Wikitravel "Can anyone translate Spanish into English?".

I just want to know what part of the article can't you understand.

Thanks.. Ricardo Ramírez

Thanks, but it seems the only words I had a problem with seems to have been fixed. "Alimentación" and "Comida Rápida" were the words I couldn't understand. What do they mean? Also, do you already have a user account? - Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 14:11, 9 June 2006 (EDT)


FYI, I felt I had to rollback your change of a few minutes ago. We only do one change a day, and I'd just done today's not terribly long ago. Want to take on the "duty" for tomorrow and put the Hanover trivium in then? -- Bill-on-the-Hill 16:15, 11 June 2006 (EDT)

Sure, no problem. I felt it was about time to off Hotel Adnis, because it had been on the Discover template since June 4, 2006. - Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 16:19, 11 June 2006 (EDT)
P.S. The one change a day principle is that official, or defacto policy? I tried to bring up the idea of prohibiting the removal of trivium from the queue when that specific piece of information had only been in the queue for two days, but if I remember correctly we never came to a conclusion. That would be the reason I went ahead and changed the queue, even though you had already changed the queue. I interpreted the vague principles of Discover requiring trivium from being in the queue at the very least two days and allowing the entire changing of the queue provided the previous trivia had been on the main page for at least a couple of days. - Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 16:33, 11 June 2006 (EDT)
Nevermind. I did a quick scan and saw where that was. - Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 16:35, 11 June 2006 (EDT)


Why is the blocklist empty?

See your talk page. - Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 12:55, 14 June 2006 (EDT)


If you do a diff of the latest edit(s) by a user on an article, you should see something like this:

Current revision
Sapphire (Talk | contribs | block)    [rollback]

So just click on "rollback" to revert. Jpatokal 21:50, 15 June 2006 (EDT)

Ah. Thank you. - Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 21:53, 15 June 2006 (EDT)
Is it only possible to rollback the last edit on a page with the button? - Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 00:01, 18 June 2006 (EDT)
Rollback reverts all the most-recent consecutive changes by a single user. So if a single user made five consecutive edits to an article, rollback will undo all five. If User:John makes one edit, then User:Peter makes a second edit, then User:John makes a third edit, then User:John makes a fourth edit, then rollback will undo just the third and fourth edit. -- Colin 15:10, 20 June 2006 (EDT)
Alright, that makes sense. Thanks! - Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 15:11, 20 June 2006 (EDT)


Hi Andrew - I'm sure it was probably just an oversight, but just a gentle reminder to make sure you update any articles that link to a destination after disambiguating. I think I've cleaned up all of the Carmel links. Welcome to the admin club, too - have fun trying to refrain from using all of your new magical powers! -- Ryan 22:29, 15 June 2006 (EDT)


Hello! Welcome to Wikitravel. If you want to specialize your experience you may want to consider editing your preferences. Please take a second to look at our copyleft and policies and guidelines, but feel free to plunge forward and edit some pages. Scanning the Manual of style, especially the article templates, can give you a good idea of how we like articles formatted. If you're new to the whole wiki community look at the Wiki markup to get an idea of how to use the wiki markup. If you need help, check out Wikitravel:Help, and if you need some info not on there, post a message in the travellers' pub.


Just FYI, I had intentionally bypassed this article's trivium on the Template:Discover box. The problem is that, per our guidelines, articles with trivia getting posted to the box need to be in at least "Usable" shape -- which Husavik is not. Personally, I don't have a big problem with using things ranked "Outline" if they're still fairly complete (the transition between "Outline" and "Usable" is indistinct), but the Phallological Museum is the only content in the whole Husavik article. So that's why I'd been leaving it sit there. I don't see any point in undoing the mention now, but it's something you might want to keep in mind in the future. Either way, thanks for the help -- I was beginning to feel like I was the only person updating that template, and it's nice that someone else shows interest. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 11:53, 24 June 2006 (EDT)

Oh, thanks for enlightening me. I hadn't checked to make sure Husavík was usable, yet. I assumed that you since you were doing such a great job on Discover that nothing less than usable would've been allowed on the list. I will double check in the future. - Sapphire


[2]. Heh. -- Colin 21:20, 26 June 2006 (EDT)

We're you trying to point out that I had use the {{otheruses}} tag for an article with French spelling and we don't have another article with the exact same spelling? In a fit of rage I gave up on trying to figure out the tag, but when Ryan came along and fixed my and OldPine's err I learned that I should've used {{otheruses|Orleans}}. Is that what you were pointing out or did I miss something? - Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 04:59, 27 June 2006 (EDT)
No, there's something else special in that diff. -- Colin 02:44, 28 June 2006 (EDT)
I spy a word that means 'large' and a word that the rhymes with 'um.' Is that what you meant? Oops. Did Ryan catch it or did he not notice it too? :? -- Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 02:50, 28 June 2006 (EDT)
An anon fixed it two days ago. When I see that happen, I often go back through the history to find who did it to check that they didn't do any other vandalism. I was amused at how many people edited without noticing it. -- Colin 03:07, 28 June 2006 (EDT)
I'm a failure! According to Wikipedia Joan of Arc did actually have a rather large "bum." :} -- Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 03:12, 28 June 2006 (EDT)
That little trivium has been in the article since 20:18, 13 September 2005. -- Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 03:22, 28 June 2006 (EDT)

Santa Fe (New Mexico)

Your DotM language for the Main Page is just fine. It captures the nature of the place well and is terser than what's in the introduction to the actual article. It occurs to me that I had forgotten one little trivium when working on that article that may be fun to work into the DotM language; I'll experiment with that, but generally, there's no need for much change. Thanks! -- Bill-on-the-Hill 10:32, 1 July 2006 (EDT)

Great. I scanned through the article and Wikipedia's article so I could write a good description. The city's architecture seemed like it was straight out of the "old world" and would be a draw. I like the way it reads now. -- Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 23:29, 1 July 2006 (EDT)

Great minds...

Hey, take a look at Wikitravel:Script_nominations#AutotranslateBot, Wikitravel:Script_nominations#W66InterwikiBot, and Wikitravel:Feature_requests#Auto-translation_of_.27seed_content.27. I think we're interested in the same projects! Want to collaborate on these guys? Majnoona 14:29, 1 July 2006 (EDT)


i just don't understand why u have deleted teh link to the movies in sibria?! u have to know that not all people is cabale of buying things from the nearest video store or even buy books from amazons..not everyone here living in usa or erope..there is people who depend only on the net and nothing else.. if u can get resources from other places then that is good !