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Hellowww wir fahrn nach Lodz, Thanks for your welcome at german Wiki Robert Wolfgang Schuster 18 july 2006

Bitte schön! Der Lodz Artikel auf der Wikitravel DE ist nicht sehr gut, aber der englische Artikel ist sehr gut. Wann fahren Sie nach Lodz? -- Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 19:34, 18 July 2006 (EDT)
"Heiioo wir fahrn nach Lotz" war zu meiner zeit ein vielgesungener Schlager (Hit). In Lodz und Budapest waren damals die schönsten (und blligsten)Bordelle und Frauen und wir waren mit unseren österreichischen Schillingen sehr willkommen. Werde wohl nie mehr hinkommen.

Weisst du dass im Jalapão (Tocantins)eine heimliche polnische Kolonie ist, noch aus der komunistischen Zeit. Danke für die Antwort Robert Wolfgang Schuster 19/07/2006


Thanks for your welcome, Andrew. Nice to know humans are watching, too. Bis bald, FrankBusch 00:45, 15 July 2006 (EDT)

Kein problem! Haben Sie unserer deutscher Version besucht? -- Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 01:18, 15 July 2006 (EDT)

Inter Railing

It depends when i get to Pamplona i would idealy like to get there fore the Bull Run on the 13th, this would then give me time to get to Berlin by the 15th. I have been offered a place to stay in Berlin i think!

Do you know somewhere good in Barcelona or Madrid? Yeah would like to spend some time there, would prefer Madrid.

Thanks for the help JossDude 11:42, 2 June 2006 (EDT)

Rail in Cuba

You asked about the rail company - it is Ferrocarriles de Cuba.

Did you know that Cuba was one of the first countries in the world to have a railway ? (Before even Spain - of which it was a colony at the time).

Also, the electric Hershey Railway has been described as the last interurban still operating. (Though it now mainly uses railcars imported from Spain).

-- Beardo 19:28, 5 May 2006 (EDT)

To clarify - the Hershey Railway is part of Ferrocarriles de Cuba, which runs all normal passenger services. [There are a few tourist specials - a lot of these are attached to former sugar mills, and so I think are run my Minaz - the Ministry of Sugar.]
I don't think that there is an official website yet. A useful resource is, also see
Thanks for clarifying about 411 - I did wonder. -- 21:03, 8 May 2006 (EDT)

Ko Phai

Hi Andrew You created Ko Phai. Where exactly is this place? Can you add an isIn and a template to it? Thanks. — Ravikiran 07:37, 7 May 2006 (EDT)


Hi Andrew! All the informations in the old districts (e.g. Berlin/Schoneberg aren't in the new districts but the links to the old ones are disabled. So the new districts like Tempelhof-Schöneberg are empty. Could you check if I transfered the content? I was only able to copy and paist the content. Not that we lose that hard worked content if there is any 11:13, 15 May 2006 (EDT)

San Francisco harbor tours

Looks like on 26 April, you put a vfd marker on San Francisco harbor tours, but never put a note on Wikitravel:Votes_for_deletion. Do you want to go ahead do that? I would, but I imagine since you put the vfd on there, you'd give a better explanation than I can come up with right now, which is "this doesn't need an article." -- Jonboy 15:33, 16 May 2006 (EDT)

Oops, it's there now. -- Jonboy 15:54, 16 May 2006 (EDT)

your message

hello there, thank you for your message. I am extremely flattered and surprised that someone would want to use one of my images. If you could kindly send me an email then I can give you more private information, don't really want to post it on a public forum since I like to keep my discretion, I hope you understand.... my email link is functioning, I just checked it myself. with kind regards <font color="red">Gryffindor</font> 22:08, 17 May 2006 (EDT)

Thanks for the help. This is a stubborn one. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 21:25, 23 May 2006 (EDT)

No problem. I just came up with the welcome message. I think the idea of a fine frightens them away. Also, they don't seem to realize that we record IP addresses. A couple of times I've fired off letters to ISP of the vandals and spammers and after being contacted by the ISPs and my emails they normally cease. We have to fight them on a united front. :) - Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 21:28, 23 May 2006 (EDT)

Anywherebuthere's answer

Brian Hey, i am not out of highschool yet, but when i turn 18 i am going to take a trip with my friends (i am 17 still). I have a shot at Georgetown, but valedictorians get turned down there and i am not one, so it's a crapshoot. I guess most schools like that are. anyways, when i have a bit more time i will update the air courier page, just i am starting exams soon. cheers


Hi Andrew. Thanks for the note re: the location of the latest bored student. For the most part the vandals on this site are harmless, and while they're sometimes annoying it's pretty easy to revert changes and let them get bored. Wikitravel:How to handle unwanted edits has some guidelines, but my personal opinion is that it's best to ignore them or possibly drop them a note if they come up with something particularly clever (Wikitravel:Bad jokes and other deleted nonsense is a good collection of the occasional gem). Most of these folks are looking for attention and/or a challenge, so the best way to get them to stop is to make it clear that they really don't bother us in any way. And honestly, having now reverted probably hundreds if not thousands of vandal changes, it really doesn't bother me - if I don't do it, someone else will, and in the end nothing changes for the worse. -- Ryan 00:40, 26 May 2006 (EDT)

Right. I just thought it was a little funny when I inserted the IP address and it popped up with that. I normally don't bother with the vandals, however, as we've had Willy on Wheels impersonators of late I've been taking extra care to watch anon edits. I actually found one vandal particularly amusing so I redirected his entire work - Mars to the bad jokes collection.
I was actually quite suprised by the effectiveness of my note to a vandal in Costa Rica. It worked so well I actually got an apology email from him.
Plus, harassing the vandals has a psychological benefit for me. :) - Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 01:24, 26 May 2006 (EDT)

On São Paulo pictures

Will contact them - but the biggest chance is that the pic is actually public domain already, since I doubt they took the pic themselves, thus probably getting it from the municipality. Otherwise, I'll get my lazy ass out there and take the pics myself, since the building is amazingly beautiful :) Cheers! Mattalves 23:57, 26 May 2006 (EDT)

One more thing - what license should I use if the picture is issued by the brazilian goverment, which makes them public domain? Thanks! Mattalves 00:03, 27 May 2006 (EDT)

OK, will check that as soon as possible! If I manage to get hold of any similar pic that's public domain, I'll substitute it. Mattalves 00:07, 27 May 2006 (EDT)

jelly doughnut & splurge hotels in Berlin

Hi Andrew! Everything ok without? You can't be serious with that text about JFK and why you deleted half of the splurge hotels in Berlin? The Interconti, Adlon etc are a good adress. Please change it back. Have a good evening, Jan 17:22, 29 May 2006 (EDT)

I actually only moved the hotels to the Berlin/Mitte district. I figure it would be nicer to somewhat clean up the article. I'm going to try and move some of the Budget hotels/hostels into the district articles. I'm going to move the Adlon back in, because it is a very interesting hotel - Michael Jackson dangling children out the window and all - but it will also be in the Mitte district. Cheers. - Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 17:29, 29 May 2006 (EDT)


I hope for some more interesting travelling post death. You're right, although I claim a variant on adulthood meaning "the moment one becomes an adult!" Hypatia 05:36, 1 June 2006 (EDT)

Admin Nomination

Please see I hope you will accept.


Hi Andrew - Just a note regarding your comments on the vfd discussion for Image:Gbrandt.KohPhiPhi.TonSaiBay.Oct2005.jpg:

Delete, because there is no information about the license. The uploader doesn't have " an email this user" link and he hasn't been around since November. If someone really wants to keep this I suspect the uploader is an editor on Wikipedia and someone could attempt to find him there.

I agree that not having license info is a problem, but up until recently it wasn't being stressed that all images required an explicit license release, so we have hundreds (possibly thousands) of images without an explicit license statement. My sense of things is that the unwritten rule is that new images should have a license statement, but for old images a lack of license release isn't considered grounds for deletion unless the image is found elsewhere (and thus a likely copyvio). As a result, since there was no consensus to delete this image it looks like it will be kept around for a while longer. -- Ryan 17:35, 1 June 2006 (EDT)

Alright, I'm a little hard when it comes to copyrights and licenses and I'm going to ease up. I've been thinking about it. If the creator uploads the image to Wikitravel he/she is there by releasing the image under the CC-BY-SA license, as there is a disclaimer directly under the edit box, which reads: "Please note that all contributions to Wikitravel are considered to be released under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 1.0."
Since noticing that disclaimer I no longer had an issue with deleting or keeping the image, because by uploading the image the creator released it under CC-SA 1.0. - Sapphire

Paris for You

I had to contact The Paris Convention and Visitors Bureau to find out if the guide was still published and if there was a online version. This guide book is published by the official tourism agency is hugely useful and should be added to the Paris article at some point.



Sometimes you have to manually hit the wikitravel cache over the head. Go to the web page in question, and click the "history" tab. Then edit the URL in your browser and replace "history" with "cache" and hit enter to fetch that web page. The cache gets flushed and you get the most up-to-date version. I did that with the forex page, and it's all betah now. -- Colin 03:43, 2 June 2006 (EDT) Noted. Thanks. - Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 03:47, 2 June 2006 (EDT)


Hi Andrew - I've removed the "For other places with the same name, see Orleans" from Orleans (France) since we normally only link to disambiguation pages in the case of "most famous" destinations, such as Paris (which links to the Paris (disambiguation) page using the {{otheruses}} template). It can probably be assumed that someone visiting the Paris (Texas) article wasn't looking for Paris, France, so pointers to the disambiguation page usually aren't needed. I think this is spelled out in Wikitravel:Article naming conventions, but I haven't had coffee yet and might be way wrong. -- Ryan 11:58, 3 June 2006 (EDT)

...and now that I'm looking at it more closely, we seem to have Orleans and Orleans (disambiguation). Wikipedia says that this one meets the "most famous" rule, so I'll go ahead an un-disambiguate. Ignore the above! -- Ryan 12:06, 3 June 2006 (EDT)

You're welcome

I too need to download IE7 sometime and see what happens... — Ravikiran 15:09, 6 June 2006 (EDT)

I normally dislike sleek looking programs, but I must confess IE 7 is rather enjoyable and much easier to use than IE 6 was. It took me less than 25 seconds to understand it's format. - Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 15:11, 6 June 2006 (EDT)

Image credit

This is what you need to type to use the template.

{{Template:Imagecredit| credit= <<credit>>| captureDate=16 March 2005|location = Mumbai, India | source=[[Wikipedia: Image:GatewayIndia.jpg | Wikipedia ]] |caption=Gateway of India|description=The '''Gateway of India''' is Bombay's most recognizable symbol. The foundation stone was laid in 1911 to commemorate the visit of King George to India. It was completed in 1914. }}

Not terribly user friendly, I'm afraid, so I decided to wait till Evan did some magic with the Inputbox extension before pushing strongly for its use. — Ravikiran 07:49, 9 June 2006 (EDT)

Hopefully, with the magical powers it will be more user friendly. I kind of like it, but one thing I was wondering is what about the license declaration? Shouldn't that be incorporated somewhere? - Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 07:56, 9 June 2006 (EDT)
It did have a license declaration. I took it off today because now the upload form asks you for a license and displays the license prominently on the page. So asking for a license again seemed redundant. — Ravikiran 08:05, 9 June 2006 (EDT)

Directing people to Shared

I'm not sure we're really ready to start actively directing brand-new users to upload images to Shared instead of EN. Since we don't have a working mechanism in place yet for deleting files there, and it's not getting monitored very closely yet, we could end up with a lot of files that we have to go back through and purge. Plus there isn't much of a support structure there for clueless newbies. - Todd VerBeek 10:49, 9 June 2006 (EDT)

I see your point and I'm actually a little concerned about the person I just directed there, but I also make a point to go to Shared almost hourly to see if there are new users. I created a welcome message over there to prevent copyvios and such. Also, in my hourly visits I double check any images uploaded to make sure they are appropriate and are not copyvios. - Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 10:55, 9 June 2006 (EDT)

About Cúcuta

You posted at Cúcuta Wikitravel "Can anyone translate Spanish into English?".

I just want to know what part of the article can't you understand.

Thanks.. Ricardo Ramírez

Thanks, but it seems the only words I had a problem with seems to have been fixed. "Alimentación" and "Comida Rápida" were the words I couldn't understand. What do they mean? Also, do you already have a user account? - Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 14:11, 9 June 2006 (EDT)


FYI, I felt I had to rollback your change of a few minutes ago. We only do one change a day, and I'd just done today's not terribly long ago. Want to take on the "duty" for tomorrow and put the Hanover trivium in then? -- Bill-on-the-Hill 16:15, 11 June 2006 (EDT)

Sure, no problem. I felt it was about time to off Hotel Adnis, because it had been on the Discover template since June 4, 2006. - Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 16:19, 11 June 2006 (EDT)
P.S. The one change a day principle is that official, or defacto policy? I tried to bring up the idea of prohibiting the removal of trivium from the queue when that specific piece of information had only been in the queue for two days, but if I remember correctly we never came to a conclusion. That would be the reason I went ahead and changed the queue, even though you had already changed the queue. I interpreted the vague principles of Discover requiring trivium from being in the queue at the very least two days and allowing the entire changing of the queue provided the previous trivia had been on the main page for at least a couple of days. - Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 16:33, 11 June 2006 (EDT)
Nevermind. I did a quick scan and saw where that was. - Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 16:35, 11 June 2006 (EDT)


Why is the blocklist empty?

See your talk page. - Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 12:55, 14 June 2006 (EDT)


If you do a diff of the latest edit(s) by a user on an article, you should see something like this:

Current revision
Sapphire (Talk | contribs | block)    [rollback]

So just click on "rollback" to revert. Jpatokal 21:50, 15 June 2006 (EDT)

Ah. Thank you. - Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 21:53, 15 June 2006 (EDT)
Is it only possible to rollback the last edit on a page with the button? - Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 00:01, 18 June 2006 (EDT)
Rollback reverts all the most-recent consecutive changes by a single user. So if a single user made five consecutive edits to an article, rollback will undo all five. If User:John makes one edit, then User:Peter makes a second edit, then User:John makes a third edit, then User:John makes a fourth edit, then rollback will undo just the third and fourth edit. -- Colin 15:10, 20 June 2006 (EDT)
Alright, that makes sense. Thanks! - Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 15:11, 20 June 2006 (EDT)


Hi Andrew - I'm sure it was probably just an oversight, but just a gentle reminder to make sure you update any articles that link to a destination after disambiguating. I think I've cleaned up all of the Carmel links. Welcome to the admin club, too - have fun trying to refrain from using all of your new magical powers! -- Ryan 22:29, 15 June 2006 (EDT)


Hello! Welcome to Wikitravel. If you want to specialize your experience you may want to consider editing your preferences. Please take a second to look at our copyleft and policies and guidelines, but feel free to plunge forward and edit some pages. Scanning the Manual of style, especially the article templates, can give you a good idea of how we like articles formatted. If you're new to the whole wiki community look at the Wiki markup to get an idea of how to use the wiki markup. If you need help, check out Wikitravel:Help, and if you need some info not on there, post a message in the travellers' pub.


Just FYI, I had intentionally bypassed this article's trivium on the Template:Discover box. The problem is that, per our guidelines, articles with trivia getting posted to the box need to be in at least "Usable" shape -- which Husavik is not. Personally, I don't have a big problem with using things ranked "Outline" if they're still fairly complete (the transition between "Outline" and "Usable" is indistinct), but the Phallological Museum is the only content in the whole Husavik article. So that's why I'd been leaving it sit there. I don't see any point in undoing the mention now, but it's something you might want to keep in mind in the future. Either way, thanks for the help -- I was beginning to feel like I was the only person updating that template, and it's nice that someone else shows interest. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 11:53, 24 June 2006 (EDT)

Oh, thanks for enlightening me. I hadn't checked to make sure Husavík was usable, yet. I assumed that you since you were doing such a great job on Discover that nothing less than usable would've been allowed on the list. I will double check in the future. - Sapphire


[2]. Heh. -- Colin 21:20, 26 June 2006 (EDT)

We're you trying to point out that I had use the {{otheruses}} tag for an article with French spelling and we don't have another article with the exact same spelling? In a fit of rage I gave up on trying to figure out the tag, but when Ryan came along and fixed my and OldPine's err I learned that I should've used {{otheruses|Orleans}}. Is that what you were pointing out or did I miss something? - Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 04:59, 27 June 2006 (EDT)
No, there's something else special in that diff. -- Colin 02:44, 28 June 2006 (EDT)
I spy a word that means 'large' and a word that the rhymes with 'um.' Is that what you meant? Oops. Did Ryan catch it or did he not notice it too? :? -- Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 02:50, 28 June 2006 (EDT)
An anon fixed it two days ago. When I see that happen, I often go back through the history to find who did it to check that they didn't do any other vandalism. I was amused at how many people edited without noticing it. -- Colin 03:07, 28 June 2006 (EDT)
I'm a failure! According to Wikipedia Joan of Arc did actually have a rather large "bum." :} -- Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 03:12, 28 June 2006 (EDT)
That little trivium has been in the article since 20:18, 13 September 2005. -- Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 03:22, 28 June 2006 (EDT)

Santa Fe (New Mexico)

Your DotM language for the Main Page is just fine. It captures the nature of the place well and is terser than what's in the introduction to the actual article. It occurs to me that I had forgotten one little trivium when working on that article that may be fun to work into the DotM language; I'll experiment with that, but generally, there's no need for much change. Thanks! -- Bill-on-the-Hill 10:32, 1 July 2006 (EDT)

Great. I scanned through the article and Wikipedia's article so I could write a good description. The city's architecture seemed like it was straight out of the "old world" and would be a draw. I like the way it reads now. -- Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 23:29, 1 July 2006 (EDT)

Great minds...

Hey, take a look at Wikitravel:Script_nominations#AutotranslateBot, Wikitravel:Script_nominations#W66InterwikiBot, and Wikitravel:Feature_requests#Auto-translation_of_.27seed_content.27. I think we're interested in the same projects! Want to collaborate on these guys? Majnoona 14:29, 1 July 2006 (EDT)

A couple of things I can think of right off the top of my head (no scripting required):
  • Find me good examples of pages to translate (either to or from English), like Mobile which I never would have thought to check for a German version of
  • If you're interested in World 66 I could use some help QAing the output of my matching script.

Check out User:Maj/Sandbox for some starts... Majnoona 13:00, 2 July 2006 (EDT)

Thanks for the short list! You're quick! Majnoona 09:01, 3 July 2006 (EDT)
No problem. I do have a few other things that I wanted to mention, but I have to do a bit of research. -- Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 14:05, 3 July 2006 (EDT)
Thanks for more headers... I dont think we need to worry to much about 2nd and 3rd level headers as they tend to be pretty non-standard... I'm going to switch my script around so it takes the headers from a wiki page instead of a text file so folks can contribute improvements as needed... I don't suppose you speaks Portugese or Spanish too ;-) ? Thanks again! Majnoona 22:10, 5 July 2006 (EDT)
Unfortunately, I only know a single word of Portugese and the Spanish I do know isn't very appropriate for Wikitravel. Rmx could help out on the Portugese. Give me two months and I'll help out on the Polish version. :) -- Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 22:48, 5 July 2006 (EDT)
Hey, could you take a look at Wikitravel:Script_nominations and add your vote if you support the W66 Interwiki link bot? I think you were one of the folks requesting the Interwiki links... thanks! 11:21, 13 July 2006 (EDT)
Just send me a list of articles you'd like translated and where you'd like the results (I can stick them under the article talk page for example). I'm just in the process of revamping the translation bot now that I have all the character encoding issues figured out... Maj 23:05, 28 July 2006 (EDT)
Quick update: the script is all set to go, but I'm having some issues with the character encoding (I thought I had it fixed, but errors are croppin' up when I translate to German...). I should have it running in the next day or two, at which point I can run through your whole list in just a few minutes. Sorry about the delay! Maj 09:20, 2 August 2006 (EDT)


i just don't understand why u have deleted teh link to the movies in sibria?! u have to know that not all people is cabale of buying things from the nearest video store or even buy books from amazons..not everyone here living in usa or erope..there is people who depend only on the net and nothing else.. if u can get resources from other places then that is good !


Let me double check what your are talking about so I can respond. -- Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 01:43, 2 July 2006 (EDT)
Ok, the reason I deleted the links was because it was under the header "External links," which we no longer use on Wikitravel because "We should have travel information in Wikitravel, not linked to from Wikitravel. This is an incentive issue; if we have lots of links to other travel guides, we lose the impetus to create our own. In addition, many users print copies of Wikitravel articles, and therefore need information to be within the article rather than linked to at another site." Also, please read over Where did the External links section go?, which will explain why we no longer use that section. I'm afraid I'll have to delete the links again, however I'm willing to work with you. Are the movies really useful? If the movies are useful and informative, not just pure entertainment then please put the links in the "Understand" section and place a note on the talk page, ok? -- Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 01:49, 2 July 2006 (EDT)
im sorry i thought u deleted the link for other reason..i see that wiki travel has stopped dealing with externel lnks..but teh question is does that solve teh problem..if someone bad wanna put anything bad ,if he didn't find externel link section , he will stop?i don't think so..but in anyway it is ok for me to put it in another section like understand..i m like teh others want to depend mainly on wikitravel articles..i want to be able to print the articles ..and for that i haven't linked to another article or something..i just linked to a movie...and for virus, i think vireses don't infect movies mostly executable files..linking to movies is safe..and i have linked to externel site and not the wiki itself becuse i want to save the bandwidth..the movie i have linked to is useful at leats for is travelouge..thanks for helping deepinlife
No problem. I feel I can't make a safe call on this either way, so I've asked other people what they think. We'll see what they say and then go from there. -- Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 02:24, 2 July 2006 (EDT)
Please see discussion on Wikitravel_talk:External_links#Multimedia. Majnoona 13:07, 2 July 2006 (EDT)

Washington, D.C. redirects

Please do not change Washington, D.C. redirects. You're effectively creating double-redirects. I plan to arrange an all-out assault on D.C. later tonight and I will at that time fix the redirect pages. Thanks. -- Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 22:37, 9 July 2006 (EDT)

I don't understand why is this a problem - before I changed the redirect pages, I resolved all the redirects that led to them; and the double-redirects would no longer be double-redirects in a few hours time?
(Pardon me for butting in here.) Don't do this. Going around and editing old discussions is not a good idea. It's a bit like running a modern spell-checker on the Shakespeare: sure it's more "correct", but it's not authentic. - Todd VerBeek 22:56, 9 July 2006 (EDT)
The reason it's a problem is because Wikitravel has a huge number of users each hour and I am currently waiting for the "down" time, before making any drastic changes that could throw off any potential users. Also, you didn't resolve the redirects because "Washington, D.C." is a redirect itself. If you look on the Talk page for Washington (D.C.) TVerBeek and I were discussing this earlier today and I'll be change the article name later, when it is least likely to adversely affect a fellow Wikitraveller. Thanks for attempting to help out, but unfortunately your enthusiasm got the best of you at the wrong time. -- Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 22:58, 9 July 2006 (EDT)


I will take your advice and do that. SpokaneWilly 22:59, 9 July 2006 (EDT)

Which advice? The email or archive or both? -- Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 23:00, 9 July 2006 (EDT)

Images from Wikimedia Commons

You'd asked me about Image:Torun-Rynek-ratusz-2.jpg. I am author of this photo, I changed licence on Commons, can you tell me how to add licence info on Wikitravel?

By the way, I want all my images from Commons to be available to use also on WikiTravel, but unfortunately I uploaded many of them only under cc-by-sa 2.5 not 1.0. PiotrK 16:06, 10 July 2006 (EDT)

Thanks! Legally, we should be covered if you say this "I, hereby, release all of my images uploaded to any other media under cc-by-sa 1.0" (and any later variants of the Creative Commons license). If you type that I or anyone else can simply copy and paste that statement and use it for future reference. If you want you could copy and paste that statement and place it on your Commons user talk page or on either your Wikitravel user page. -- Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 18:07, 10 July 2006 (EDT)


Kentwood is exactly 0 miles from Wyoming, which I think is about 0 km. They're across the street from each other. To be honest, I don't think Kentwood or Wyoming really even warrants its own article. These "suburbs" of Grand Rapids are so close to downtown and so connected with (the rest of) the city that the hotel and restaurant chains identify the franchises in them as "Grand Rapids" locations. The distinction is certainly meaningless to the traveler; the only people who know or care whether something is in the municipality of Kentwood, Wyoming, Grand Rapids, Walker, Grandville, or East Grand Rapids are the people who live there and the respective municipalities' tax collectors. If it were up to me, the contents of the article for Wyoming (Michigan) (and the others) would consist of "#REDIRECT [[Grand Rapids]]". Granted, as a resident of G.R. itself I'm a bit biased, but I think the recent tendency to turn Wikitravel into an atlas listing every possible legal municipality (instead of a travel guide with information about every destination) is misguided. Sorry for venting. To give you the practical geographic data you were looking for: Kentwood is the suburb to the immediate southeast of Grand Rapids; Wyoming is to the southwest, just west of Kentwood. Grandville is a little further southwest, contiguous with Wyoming, but not Grand Rapids itself. Walker is next (west and northwest), GR township (northeast), East GR (to the east), and you're back at Kentwood. - Todd VerBeek 22:38, 11 July 2006 (EDT)

Should we redirect? You're the expert and I'd trust you. I actually get a bit annoyed by suburbs being incorrectly lumped in with various large cities, but I do make room for exceptions particularly this annoying city we call Norwood in Southwest Ohio. If you picture Cincinnati as a large circle Norwood is another circle within the big circle. Is this one of those exceptions? -- Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 22:45, 11 July 2006 (EDT)


Hi Andrew

I took a bit care of cotw and pcotw as it was it bit orphaned in the last two weeks. I have one problem in the pcotw with the Result section, therefore I was not able to show how many users did changes during the cotw for Budapest and Washington D.C.. Do you know how to make this link? Second: I was a bit surprised that Evan kicked in Odense and Cambridge as CotW in the schedule and not below as anybody else. I would like to bring the line up for the next weeks in a more democratic way, even if Evan had good reasons for it. Bermuda is on top of the list but nobody gave reason or signed it. I will bring it up because it is an interesting destination. Have a nice day, Jan 10:15, 12 July 2006 (EST)

Hi Jan, I'll try to fix every thing up, but I may do it later, because I'm a bit tired. I agree with Evan's move on Cambridge, because a very important wiki convention will be held there in the first week of August. I passed over Bermuda a couple of times when scheduling the CotW, because I was lazy and didn't want to see what was wrong with the article. Hopefully, I'll get around to it. Have a good day. -- Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 04:22, 12 July 2006 (EDT)
Thanks for the result in pcotw. How you did it? Then I can do it in future and you get a bit more sleep ;-) Jan 04:49, 12 July 2006 (EDT)
All you have to do is go to the article, click on "history" and then copy and paste the url. After pasting the url to the PCotW page type this: [ 3 edits by two authors], which looks like this: 3 edits by two authors. The link shows my talk page history. Be sure you count only the edits between when someone places the CotW banner on the page and when someone removes the banner. -- Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 13:50, 12 July 2006 (EDT)
Actually, the way I do it is to take the difference between the versions at the beginning and end of the Cotw period like this. — Ravikiran 06:58, 13 July 2006 (EDT)


Err, I hate to admit it, but I googled "bars Loveland Ohio" and since there were only three, I went ahead and listed them (since there's not much to be pickey about). Same for hotels. I figure that, when it's a small town with out much selection, a guide is more about 'what's there' than 'what's recommended'... It would be nice to have our 10kth article be as robust as possible... of course it would super-fantastic if you managed to stop by there personally, but that might be asking a lot Majnoona 19:57, 12 July 2006 (EDT)

I'll do it tomorrow and Sunday assuming we don't have any more tornadoes. I do have one question should I incoporate Symmes Township with Loveland? They're almost interchangeable. -- Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 20:19, 12 July 2006 (EDT)

Actually, I'm back home now and I won't return to school until September. I'd say we should include Symmes Township. Even the areas near Fields-Ertel Rd. are part of the Loveland City School District, and at least two welcome signs now say "Welcome to the Communities of Loveland and Symmes Township", so visitors would be likely to spot the two together.

As for the Loveland Frog, 12 News has mentioned it a couple times, but people here don't ever mention it, since the sightings all happened so long ago. (And what's with that 1998 sighting in the Dominican Republic?) I think a mention about the Valentine's Day program would be more relevant.

 – Minh Nguyễn 23:57, 15 July 2006 (EDT)

I just heard about the mysterious frog today and was overwhelmed with curiousity. Unless, the frogman in the Dominican Republic was spotted at the island nation's own Loveland (Dominican Republic) I don't think it would count as the Loveland frog. Kind of an unusual grouping.
As for Fields-Ertle I was kind of grouping everything north of Fields-Ertle in with Mason (Ohio), but I really dislike the entire area, because I never know if I'm in Hamilton or Warren County. I was then grouping everything south of Fields-Ertle in with Loveland. What's your take on that? -- Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 00:08, 16 July 2006 (EDT)
Ignoring its dips to the south near Union Cemetery Rd. and Montgomery Rd., Fields Ertel is the border between Hamilton and Warren Counties. I tend to think of the Kings area as part of Mason, since a Mason-address post office is located on the north side of Fields Ertel and it's a very commercial area, as opposed to most of Loveland.
Come to think of it, I'm not sure if the areas around Fields Ertel should be part of the Loveland or Kings school district. I thought they were part of the Loveland district because my Loveland bus had stops in the areas just south of Fields Ertel. But come to think of it, that bus also served students from outside the district in Goshen.
 – Minh Nguyễn 23:23, 16 July 2006 (EDT)
Now I'm confused too... if you search the USPS for locations near Mason, Ohio, and click on the location on Fields Ertel, it's listed as being the "Symmes Post Office", even though it's on the Warren County side and should thus be in Deerfield Township. I don't think anyone knows – maybe we should create a separate guide for the Kings area and link both the Mason and Loveland guides to that. – Minh Nguyễn 23:28, 16 July 2006 (EDT)


Hi Andrew, I mean to release those images under any version of the cc-by-sa. Meanwhile probably the image should be renamed. It's really a view from North Avenue. ;) -- Mark 01:03, 18 July 2006 (EDT)

I changed the license info on Shared to reflect that. I think it would be perfectly fine to leave the title as is, because it would be incredibly funny if someone walked around Chicago trying to duplicate your image and went to Oak Street instead of North Ave. Not to mention I don't want to mess wiht the hassle of uploading the image again and then fixing links on EN and DE. :) (I'm lazy) -- Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 01:20, 18 July 2006 (EDT)

Prague Addresses

Thanks Andrew! Such a beautiful place, such a messy article :) Thewayoftheduck 10:07, 19 July 2006 (EDT)


I dunno, maybe my eyes are bad. What the heck happened with this page? --Evan 21:54, 25 July 2006 (EDT)

A vandal copied David's user page and created a new account - User:OIdPine (notice the capital "I" (pronounced: eye), instead of the lowecase "L") and vandalized a bunch of articles. The vandal was posing as OldPine and Ryan blanked his user page. Someone noticing the blanking came along and reverted Ryan's blanking. To prevent that from happening again I just deleted the vandal's user page so if the vandal wants to pose as OldPine again he's going to have to copy and paste OldPine's user page again. -- Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 22:49, 25 July 2006 (EDT)


Hi Andrew - regarding the comment you left on User talk:Wrh2#IFD, I posted a query a while back on Wikitravel talk:Images for deletion asking whether that page was being used now or not. If there was a discussion that led to a consensus to hold image deletion discussions on a separate page can you point me to it? I've obviously not been paying close attention, but I'd like to understand the reasons for having two separate pages for dealing with deletions. Thanks! -- Ryan 05:02, 28 July 2006 (EDT)

Oops. I forgot to respond sooner (distracted on DE). I'm not sure where the conversation leading to the consensus is or if there even was one. I agree with you that it's tedious, but I was going about being a faithful servant. -- Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 05:10, 28 July 2006 (EDT)
OK. I searched around and couldn't find any discussion about why that page was created, so I kind of assumed it was done to have an example to discuss and was then forgotten. If you don't object I'll move the images back to the VFD page since that's the page people are actually using and that's where the VFD template that's on all of the images points to, and if anyone comes along and can point out why we have an IFD page then the images can always be moved back there (and that person can update the images with the correct template :P ). -- Ryan 05:14, 28 July 2006 (EDT)
Works for me and I looked at the history. Todd created the page so maybe he can answer the questions about why it was created. -- Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 05:15, 28 July 2006 (EDT)


So, I think we found a place to have the 10K party -- it's a pub about 4 blocks from the Wikimania main area. When will you be getting into Cambridge? We leave tomorrow, but we're doing the "Hacking Days" pre-event. Let us know. --Evan 21:45, 30 July 2006 (EDT)

Dayton and Sidney

... are the two cities of Ohio I have been in. Would you know which region of Ohio they'd come under? — Ravikiran 03:23, 1 August 2006 (EDT)

The folks in the Greater Cincinnati area consider Dayton to be in Southwest Ohio and so does Wikipedia. I'd never heard of Sidney so I had to pull out a map and my best guess would be Mid-Ohio for purposes of the isIn. Were you in Dayton for a flight? -- Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 05:30, 1 August 2006 (EDT)
I had been to Sidney on a project. Dayton was the closest "big city" close by with an airport. — Ravikiran 05:47, 1 August 2006 (EDT)
I suspected you were in Dayton for the airport. I believe the only reason anyone lives in Dayton is because of the airport. I checked the Ohio article and it describes Mid-Ohio as a region around Columbus I think that description is a bit too narrow and should incorporate the straight area across Ohio, unless someone brings to my attention that there is another region that Sidney belongs to. -- Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 05:52, 1 August 2006 (EDT)
Well, it is the "birthplace of aviation" after all... :) — Ravikiran 06:47, 1 August 2006 (EDT)
Hmm. I've never realized it would be fitting to have an airport in the Wright Brother's hometown. -- Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 06:55, 1 August 2006 (EDT)


Did you intend to revert Jpatokal's revised choice of photo for Budapest on the main page, or were you aiming at the vandalism? Because I prefer the photo of the parliament building; it's easier to "read" at that small size than the landscape. - Todd VerBeek 09:18, 1 August 2006 (EDT)

I was aiming for the vandalism. I've reverted my reverting of the photo so we have the parliment building on the main page again. -- Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 09:28, 1 August 2006 (EDT)


Yes I do live there. Why do you ask? :) CandleWithHare 13:16, 1 August 2006 (EDT)

In fact my goal is to improve the Warsaw page so that there won't be any need for further questions :) but OK, I can be one. From what I've read it'll take a little time to describe it properly on my user page so I'll add myself when I am ready. Thanks for thinking about me. CandleWithHare 13:35, 1 August 2006 (EDT)

Ohio Regions

Todd gave his blessing to the Ohio cleanup, so if he's OK with a regions-delimited-by-county-border breakdown then I think we're probably OK with the Ohio cleanup. I think the isIn's for Northeast Ohio are OK, so I'll have a go at moving Northwest Ohio and getting those isIn's cleaned up when I get a chance. I assume you'll probably want to start with Southwest Ohio, so that leaves Southeast Ohio for whoever gets to it first. Also, it might be good to add a specific note to Wikitravel:Article naming conventions to emphasize that region names should be common names, and that since no one goes to "Southeast" it's really not a common name. I'll do that now. -- Ryan 19:12, 1 August 2006 (EDT)

Sysop on de

Hi Sapphire,

I've nominated you on de:Wikitravel:Nominierungen zum Administrator. Would you like to comment there? -- Steffen M. 08:26, 6 August 2006 (EDT)

Yes, thank you. I will in a day or two, because I don't have my computer with me so I am unable to spend much time on the net. Thanks. -- Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 11:40, 6 August 2006 (EDT)

Keeping an eye

I have a very simple way of keeping an eye on what 4,500 newspapers say about Wikitravel -- I have it set up as a custom keyword on Google News. You can even set it up to send alerts to you when new articles appear. Jpatokal 11:34, 6 August 2006 (EDT)

Cool thanks. -- Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 11:40, 6 August 2006 (EDT)
You've been quoted in the Guardian! [3]. — Ravikiran 14:53, 10 August 2006 (EDT)
Well actually, the Hindustan Times (the same one that plagiarised me) syndicates about half its editorial page from the Guardian. This one came in today's newspaper. Then I had to go to the Guardian's homepage and search for Wikimania to get the link — Ravikiran 15:25, 10 August 2006 (EDT)
Did they (Hindustan Times) ever resolve the image issue? So you actually saw my comments in the Hindustan Times? -- Sapphire 15:34, 10 August 2006 (EDT)
Yes that is where I saw the article first. Nah they didn't even bother to acknowledge my mail. — Ravikiran 03:21, 11 August 2006 (EDT)

Warsaw question as part of CotW edits

Just doing a bit of CotW work on Warsaw and as your docent I'm wondering if you can help me a bit here- I noticed that there's a large section on the Warsaw#Royal_Walk and was hoping to shift it off to the appropriate district in it's entirety, and then just leave a small description linking to it in the see section. Problem is, which district is it best to put it in?

Also, any chance of slimming down the number of districts here? Or are they all worthy of articles? Tim 08:22, 8 August 2006 (EDT)


There's really no need to create a bunch of useless pages like Cincinnati, OH and then redirect the page to Cincinnati. Most people simply type in "Tampa" and they get the page they want. -- Sapphire 20:34, 9 August 2006 (EDT)

Well, I created redirects for names that I personally linked to and got a redlink on. I'm probably not the last person who will link to or search on the common name City, State form rather than the City only or the weird City (State). So I thought I'd help later visitors out with the redirects. It's standard practice and encouraged on Wikipedia; is there a policy against that here? -- Beland 21:20, 9 August 2006 (EDT)
There's really no policy for or against it. It doesn't bother me, but it just seems kind of pointless especially for big cities. I understand when people accidently do this for very small or less famous places, but for Boston I think most people think - Boston, not Boston, Massachusetts or Boston, MA. Policy is if there is another Boston in Kentucky to name the Boston, Kentucky article Boston (Kentucky). -- Sapphire 21:27, 9 August 2006 (EDT)


I think there may be miscommunication as regards the "Concierge" proposal. As far as I can see, nobody has risen to the bait when it comes to a literal concierge-like function of an "arranger" of attractions, nor do I think anyone is likely to, for reasons I explained in my original comments on your idea. Rather, the "Concierge" function seems to be that of a general-purpose information getter -- sort of a Wikitravel:Docent without specialization. Do you use Wikipedia? The analogy to the Wikipedia reference desk seems appropriate. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 22:33, 9 August 2006 (EDT)

Do you love skyline chili

It's a small world. I used to live in Cleveland and visit Cinci quite often. My family is also originally from Poland... and you want to live there. I'm visiting Poznan in Sept. Also, we're both travel lovers. Who knew  :-) Thanks for your thoughts about World Wikia Gil.

No I'm neither a Skyline or a Gold Star fan. I really shouldn't say that, because of recent laws passed in Ohio I could be deported to Indiana for making such an apostatizing declaration. Cleveland, eh? The Browns suck! Go BENGALS! -- Sapphire 13:50, 10 August 2006 (EDT)

Images to Shared

You're doing it manually? For chrissake, ask Evan to whip up a script or something... but anyway, my images are all GFDL + CC-by-sa-all. Jpatokal 06:33, 12 August 2006 (EDT)

What can I say I need my fix of "wikicrack." -- Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 22:04, 12 August 2006 (EDT)

Other articles to shared

Hi, Andrew. Sorry for the confusion I caused. What I meant here is that some pages that currently exist in English Wikitravel have to be moved entirely to Shared. Among such pages are the liaison reports and tech pages, that should no longer exist as such in English WT. But instead of copying and pasting them to Shared, maybe we could just press the move tab up there and do the job more easily. I'm not sure if this move tab solution is possible and effective, so I'd like to know if you've tried that before and if you think that would work. Thank you, Ricardo (Rmx) 18:59, 14 August 2006 (EDT)


Do you care if I move Ulan-Ude to Ulan Ude? -- Sapphire 23:02, 12 August 2006 (EDT)

Maybe you could move into one of the river-side mansions and, while gazing over the Siberian plains, edit WT all day long. Give it some thought. WindHorse 13 Aug 06
Hmm. I might actually want to do that. How much does a mansion in Ulan Ude go for? Is it $13,000 or so? I've been looking into real estate in Russia and Georgia. -- Sapphire 23:12, 12 August 2006 (EDT)
Whoops - sorry for my dumb answer. I totally misread your question (which I thought was a joke). Sure, it's actually much better to have the city listed under the name without the hyphen. (Ps. if you like living in open, spacious areas, check out Mongolia. It's even cheaper) WindHorse 13 Aug 06
No problem. Have you lived in Mongolia? If so is that a formal recommendation? I thought your answer was a little unusual or maybe you've been reading my mind. Hence the reason why I know what a newly built house goes for in Ulan Ude region. -- Sapphire
No, I haven't lived in Mongolia, though I am familar with the country. Real estate is cheap. However, it is probably not available for non-Mongolian citizens to buy - you'd no doubt need to do so in partnership with a local. Anyway, good luck, and I hope you can find a piece of land that suits your needs. WindHorse 13 Aug 06

You're famous!

Hi just thought I'd let you know that you were in an article in the Guardian yesterday. The links in Wikitravel:15_August_2006 -- Tim 07:17, 15 August 2006 (EDT)

I saw it on the Guardian website. Maybe they used the same article? Tres bizarre if it is, either that or you're incredibly famous! Tim 18:37, 15 August 2006 (EDT)

The right place for uploading images

I know that and I even have an account in shared. The problem is that I can't access it anymore. The password stored in my browser seems to be wrong and the password reminder facility is not working. I have filed a bug report but nobody seemed to be interested and I wanted to u/l this emblem before I forget. CandleWithHare 14:14, 15 August 2006 (EDT)

No, it's not the same password (although it should be). I know my password for en but it is an incorrect password for shared. I also cannot use the shared:Special:OpenIDLogin because I have opted to shared:Special:OpenIDConvert my account from en. So as you can see, I'm pretty much screwed up (I could create a new account though but I didn't want to do that) CandleWithHare 14:34, 15 August 2006 (EDT)
I'm going to mention this to User:Evan so he can fix the problem. -- Sapphire 14:36, 15 August 2006 (EDT)
Thanks! CandleWithHare 15:03, 15 August 2006 (EDT)
I have now discovered that the password reminder apparently works (although it outputs an error) and I've been able to log in. Sorry for causing such a mess. CandleWithHare 15:30, 15 August 2006 (EDT)
No problem. About half-an-hour ago I tried to have the site send you your password, but I didn't think it worked, because of the error. You'll probably want to change your password, though. -- Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 15:32, 15 August 2006 (EDT)

Thanks for the Welcome

Thanks Sapphire. I am quite excited writing something related to my passion and my field of expertise if i may say so. I am learning the Wiki templates and tags. I would like you to check up my edits and give any suggestions or fedbacks you think are appropriate. Love & Regards, Yogi - Inasra

Access stats

You'll have to pester Evan if you want direct hit counts for articles, Webalizer only tracks the top ones and even that it does pretty badly. And as for titles, I'll take "Grand Poobah of the Greater East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere" instead. Jpatokal 00:27, 16 August 2006 (EDT)

Simultaneous reverts

Sorry about that. I was trying to revert that garbage too. You beat me to it and it ended up looking like I put it back there on purpose?!?! Weird. Thanks though. Texugo 00:48, 17 August 2006 (EDT)

No problem. At first I was thinking about giving you a vandal warning and then proposing that you be banned for life, but I'm a nice guy so I'll give you another chance. -- Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 00:14, 17 August 2006 (EDT)
Damn, and I put this on your user page too, instead of your talk page. Sorry! Texugo 00:48, 17 August 2006 (EDT)
No problem, but that's strike two. One more and I'll have to report you to the Wikitravel police.  :) -- Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 00:50, 17 August 2006 (EDT)


Review actually looks fine on IE6

IE 7 is kind of a catch-22. It doesn't log you out of Wikitravel as often as IE 6 does and it resolves the Sapphire| my talk| preferences| my watchlist| my contributions| log out moving around, but on the review site it causes the naigation, search bar, and other language bar on top of the article. IE also causes they toolbox to mysteriously disappear on review. -- Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 04:44, 18 August 2006 (EDT)

Warsaw itineraries

My idea is that there should be five itineraries for Warsaw. I can not promise I'll finish them but I want to start the work by listing and grouping the sights:

These are the working titles and I still think they could be better, so I did not create any new article but instead used the already-existing Warsaw/Old Town and Warsaw/New Town articles (which I think are redundant and should eventually be set up as redirects to the respective itineraries).

So if you could help me, it'd be great if you could make up a better-sounding names for the articles and then we could create them and move the content from Old Town and New Town there.

CandleWithHare 11:19, 18 August 2006 (EDT)

Ok, so I wasn't expecting to be convinced, but you did an excellent job. I can definately help out with the Walking around the Contemporary Center of Warsaw itinerary. Maybe, I'm a bit of a moron because I lived in Warsaw for two months, but isn't the "Contemproary Center" the same thing as the "New Town?" I spent my entire time watching beautiful Polish women on a Three Crosses Square, near Nowy Swiat, which I thought was the "Contemporary Center" and the New Town? Would you happen to know if the sirens and black cars that always (10 times a day) sped by the Charles de Gual round the Polish president or prime minister? -- Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 11:25, 18 August 2006 (EDT)
The name "New Town" is quite confusing as it actually is another Old Town, just north of the city walls. The Contemporary Center are things like the Palace of Culture and MDM (Marszałkowska Residential District) around the Constitution Square, the Stalin-style architecture that shifted the city center a little westwards when it was built in the 1950s. And the area where you were staying (Krakowskie Przedmieście-the New World Street-the Three Crosses Square) could be safely classifed as "along the Royal Road" (if you wanted to be more precise, it could be called Solec or Ujazdów too). CandleWithHare 11:44, 18 August 2006 (EDT)

So, the first itinerary is ready at Walking around the Old Town in Warsaw. How do you like it?
CandleWithHare 08:46, 22 August 2006 (EDT)

I already saw it and I like it. The only thing I'm thinking that's needed is a description of why were visiting certain sites. Unfortunately, during my two months in Warsaw I only went to the Old Town once, so I'm very ignorant about the Old Town. -- Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 08:57, 22 August 2006 (EDT)

Template creation attempt!

Well, I've bashed out a rough version for the wording of the Template:usablepark - how do you get the border round it, or is that a trick of the wiki software we're using? I tried importing it into my sandbox, but all I get is this -

This is a usable article. It has information about the park, for getting in, about a few attractions, and about accommodations in the park. An adventurous person could use this article, but please plunge forward and help it grow!

I know the wording isn't great... What can I say? I'm a scientist! I'm sure someone will fine tune the words... -- Tim 13:19, 18 August 2006 (EDT)

Right, that lot is done, but could you just have a check of the wording at some stage - there's bound to be something that I haven't mentioned! Tim 15:27, 18 August 2006 (EDT)

Login problems

Thanks for the notice; I got the message and was able to clear up the problem. --Evan 09:20, 19 August 2006 (EDT)

Sorry, if you had already known about it, however, since it was 5 AM for both you and myself on a Saturday I figured you might be asleep, especially since you're leaving for Odense soon so I figured it'd make more sense to send an email off to the IB account you told me about. -- Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 15:40, 19 August 2006 (EDT)


I was intending to add the vfd template to the pages that CandleWithHare had added to the vfd page... Guess I must have been doing too much at the same time if I put it in the wrong places! Tim 00:30, 20 August 2006 (EDT)

Right, I've cleared up that little mess... plus I have mentioned to CWH that he should have put the template on the pages. Tim 00:35, 20 August 2006 (EDT)
I've done it too. It's those damn redirects. -- Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 00:46, 20 August 2006 (EDT)

Answers to your philosophical questions

I thought I'd take some time out to answer your questions:

  1. The Bible is one of two things - it is either a book through which God speaks to his people (the church) or it is a historical document compiled by the Church. It cannot be anything other, as the Bible has existed since within a generation of the death of Christ - as the accurate details, prophecies of what happened in AD60 (Roman invasion of Jerusalem) and also the cliffhangers (Luke finishes Acts with Paul awaiting trial - he would never have done this as a literary device unless it truly was in the future, as he was writing a historical account) - and as such cannot have been written anywhere since.
    1. The Bible as the book of God - suppose God exists. If He is who the Bible deems Him to be, He has power over everything, and as such, He ensures only the true bits of the Bible get in. The Gospel of Judas doesn't get in, because it is not true/accurate enough for His liking.
    2. The Bible is a historical document compiled by the early Church - why would they not add a certain account of events to their account of Jesus' life? The obvious reason for this is that it is not an accurate account of their beliefs!
So the answer to your question is that it means nothing more to us than any other work of fiction....
  1. Antimatter? You've been reading too much Dan Brown! When it gets discovered, as a scientist, I'll give you my answer! Although science is merely the pursuit of knowledge, I do not believe it does not trump the safety of humans. The atom bomb, the most deadliest appliance of science and technology was used in an attempt to do the greater good.
  2. Personally, I believe that the freedom of though is a God given ability, and everything that is true can hold it's own in a direct confrontation. Whether it be religious, scientific or anything else, what is true can withstand scrutiny.
  3. Yes.

The final three were dumb answers, but if you want to chat about the first answer further, I'd be delighted to try and answer your questions. -- Tim 00:31, 20 August 2006 (EDT)

I've read some of Dan Brown's stuff and I think I may have read something about antimatter in his book, but the question itself was inspired by a discussion I had with a Ph. D. candidate in Munich and a National Geographic show which provided multiple end of the world scenarios.
It seems to me regarding the Gospel of Judas question that followers of many other religions have a somewhat easier time than Christians do, because they have certain prophets they believe in, while Christians have the same prophets as the Jews plus Jesus, but we several different view points of Jesus life and words that it seems its only natural to sometimes question authenticity. I've read what was left of the Gospel of Judas' codex and the story it offers is greatly different than other gospels. Aside, from the the differences relating to Judas' trustworthiness. The most amazing part of that gospel is it describes how God, or rather the "Infinite One" created itself. The gospel does not assign sex or a femine/masculine status to God. Furthermore, I'm a very bad Methodist, because I really don't buy into the trinitarian views and Judas' gospel backs up my hypothesis regarding the trinitarian views, but I may have incorrectly read the text.
I like this idea: "The Gospel of Judas doesn't get in, because it is not true/accurate enough for His liking." -- Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 00:46, 20 August 2006 (EDT)
In order to save your talk page from a deep discussion into something I know very little about other than what I have written above, I suggest you take a look at this article about the matter. -- Tim 00:59, 20 August 2006 (EDT)
Great article! Thanks for sharing it. -- Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 01:19, 20 August 2006 (EDT)

A Shout Out

Yo, yo, yo. Time for a pat on the back for my Main Man Sapphire. Way to go still bustin' your hump on WikiTravel every day. Even the cheerleaders need to be cheered. OldPine 10:32, 21 August 2006 (EDT)

Thanks! I think this best describes my efforts on Wikitravel: "I obsess, therefore I am." -- An old tree. -- Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 13:14, 21 August 2006 (EDT)
Ha! Trees of a bark, buddy :) Need more gems like you. OldPine 14:28, 21 August 2006 (EDT)

Maps and shared repository

You dropped me a line suggesting I would be better off uploading my maps to the shared repository. I was under the impression, from reading through the various image policy pages, that the shared repository was mainly for non-language specific files and so anything containing chunks of language-specific text would be better off on the servers for that language version of Wikitravel. It's possible I've read it wrong, and it's equally possible that different rules apply for .png and .svg files, so I'd appreciate your input. --Paul. 14:40, 21 August 2006 (EDT)

I'd go ahead and upload all images to shared regardless if the image is language specific. The reason I suggest this is because it helps us maintain images easier and if someone wants to create a Japanese version of your map they won't have to switch between two or three versions to create the map, so having the images/maps on Shared makes it easier for someone to use your image, and then upload a new version. -- Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 14:46, 21 August 2006 (EDT)
Sorry it took a while to get back. I'm working on the maps at the moment, so when the new versions are done I'll upload them to shared. Just to clarify, should I upload both .png and .svg files or just the .svgs? Thanks for the input on the maps issue, regarding concentrating on important streets, unfortunately the key sights in central Dalain are spread out along a number of different streets and it's not really possible to get more than a quarter of them on one map with any degree of deatil. I'm going to try splitting to article along district lines (I finally found a map of the districts online) and see if that makes things easier. --Paul. 18:10, 22 August 2006 (EDT)

IsIn - Portuguese

You helped me with this before so I thought I'd ask you first. I'm still having weird issues with IsIn sometimes. Two things:

  • Sometimes it only shows the current location plus one level above, instead of the whole chain of categories. I can't for the life of me figure out why. Compare Texas with Louisiana, for example. One shows "Sul : Texas" while the other one is complete: "América do Norte : Estados Unidos : Sul : Louisiana"
Here's one where it leaves off only the first one: Mata de Pinha. I'm also fairly sure I've seen it where it leaves out one in the middle before as well.
  • The other problem is that sometimes it just doesn't show up at all. Have a look at my attempt to locate Nigeria in África, for example. I started to get this theory that IsIn doesn't like to locate in places where the first character is unusual : Á, É, etc. I remember having trouble with locating things in Ásia as well, and Évora. I would test out this theory more thoroughly but the Portuguese server locks up now when I try to edit. I did look at the Spanish version, expecting to find the same problem, but it works fine there.

If you don't want to mess with this, I can always post it on the traveler's pub. I just don't think any regular of the Portuguese version site knows anything much about this. Thanks! Texugo 04:58, 22 August 2006 (EDT)

As to your first question, purging the cache will help. i.e. click on "edit" for that page, then in the URL, replace "action=edit" with "action=purge" like this. Make sure you click on the "article" tab again to see the isIn properly. — Ravikiran 05:15, 22 August 2006 (EDT)
The problem with that is there appears to be many pages where these problems appear, but also when I tried to clear the cache it didn't work. I changed the code of the IsIn and some of the problems have gone away, but not all of them. -- Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 05:18, 22 August 2006 (EDT)
It also seems to help in some cases if you move the IsIn tag to the beginning of the article text. Texugo 05:23, 22 August 2006 (EDT)
Right, I discovered that a few months ago, but it doesn't seem to always work like it would on EN or DE. The weirdest part is everytime I change the pt:Template:IsIn I get closer to solving the problem. -- Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 05:42, 22 August 2006 (EDT)
Thank you guys for your speedy attention. This has been driving me crazy. Texugo 05:43, 22 August 2006 (EDT)
Would you look at PT, now and tell me if you see any thing wrong? The only thing I can't figure out is Nigeria. -- Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 05:49, 22 August 2006 (EDT)


The markup must or should look similar to this or exactly the same. Notice that there are no spaces anywhere seperating the templates and interwiki links, this appears to be somewhat critical in making sure the isin works. Also, notice that the isin is at the top of the template/interwiki list.

== Trabalhe ==

== Segurança ==

== Saúde ==

== Respeite ==

== Mantenha contato ==

-- Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 05:57, 22 August 2006 (EDT)

Thanks a lot. You're a genius! 06:42, 22 August 2006 (EDT)


Thanks for setting up the {{ficaEm}} template too. That's great! --Ricardo (Rmx) 15:51, 23 August 2006 (EDT)

No problem. I like messing with stuff I know I can't screw up. :) -- Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 15:55, 23 August 2006 (EDT)


thanks for the link to the train travel in europe page! TedErnst 19:06, 24 August 2006 (EDT)


Thanks for the comments and advices on the Karimun page! GOHtk

Automagic templates

I'm afraid I didn't get any new e-mail from you (checked my junk mail and trash can folders now too). Could you please re-send it? I think that page will be a great addition to Portuguese Wikitravel. Thanks! -- Ricardo (Rmx) 21:07, 28 August 2006 (EDT)


You think you could get IsIn working for the Romanian version too? I'll be glad to insert them in a whole hell of a lot of articles, as soon as it works properly. Texugo 02:26, 30 August 2006 (EDT)

Thanks a lot! That's sure to keep me busy for a while. In Romanian I think it should be EsteÎn, but I suggest you do that as a redirect, as you did with pt:, so that either one will work. Texugo 03:33, 31 August 2006 (EDT)

Photographs for Wikitravel Shared

As desired by you, I have uploaded nine photographs. I hope it would be of some use to somebody. I feel somewhat lost in a puzzle. Maybe, with a little fiddling around I shall be able to see my way through.

-- P.K.Niyogi 08:04, 1 September 2006 (EDT)

Sorry, to disturb you again. Is there a way to know that a pic of mine has been used by somebody else in Wikitravel? -- P.K.Niyogi 08:04, 2 September 2006 (EDT)