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Thank You!

Hey Thanks Peter.. will keep updating stuff :) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ankurbhandari (talkcontribs)

Thanks, for the advice Peter. I will continue to improve Colorado's Wine Country, as it is a really great part of the state's tourism. Any feedback is appreciated. WineCountryInn 21:52, 7 January 2009 (EST)

Thanks for the encouragement! Semibreve42 22:17, 15 February 2009 (EST)

Thanks for the compliments. Look forward to expand the (lacking) info on Franconia, Germany. Doesn't do it justice. Hokiesvt 13:25, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

WTP template

Got example? Seems to be appearing fine on the Singapore, Cairo etc pages, even after purging to rebuild the page. Jpatokal 01:34, 7 January 2009 (EST)

EE's talk page

While I understand your motivation, I think you were out of line to block EE over his edits to his own Talk page; there's no rule on WT that says you can't blank it. I've removed the protection and the block. → Wikitravel talk:Using talk pages#Blanking talk pages Jpatokal 01:43, 7 January 2009 (EST)

I have no issue with your previous blocks of EE. However, the only reason you stated in the last block was "edit warring", and based on his contribution logs [1], the only pages on which I see "edit warring" on Jan 6-7 was his own Talk page. His abusive comments to you were a response to your reverts. Jpatokal 10:30, 7 January 2009 (EST)
Also, I can't help but point out that on [2], you yourself said that "I'd say the user's own userspace would be the last refuge of a scoundrel's plea"... Jpatokal 10:32, 7 January 2009 (EST)
No, check the history of my talk page again, which is extremely short right now, and notice the edit warring. Check the block log as well—I did not block him following edit warring on his page (which I ended via a protect). I blocked him immediately following repeated abusive comments on my talk page. And what I said about his userspace seems very clear to me. He has the right to make his case there in whatever manner he chooses. That does not include erasing other people's comments. As I said on your talk page, undoing my good faith block and protection, and I still can't see how these violated any policy, was inappropriate, and caused a good deal more trouble than it resolved. --Peter Talk 13:52, 7 January 2009 (EST)

Link Removal

Hi Peter,

I entered a link to www.citybaseapartments.com on the wikitravel section on 31/12 and I think you removed it. Please may I ask why this is?

I have just looked and there are other links on there which provide the same service as us - i.e. www.rentalinrome.com that have not been removed - was there something incorrect in the link / comment I placed?

please can you reply on my talk page - thanks —The preceding unsigned comment was added by JHardy (talkcontribs)

User block 2009-01-09

Hi Peter,

Just wondering what the block situation with Edmontonenthusiast tonight was about. I see nothing in his contrib log before the initial ban was put in place, and there is no obvious reason given for that block. Does an admin undo remove the edit record from the user's contrib log? You comment about Marc being w.in bounds of policy I find hard to justify when the raon of edit war-ing is given, but with no obvious trail. If things are removed from the user's contrib log on an admin undo, can I strongly suggest these be avoided so that the history is preserved so that people can see the edit war that was going on.

To be quite frank, I am starting to tire of this whole situation between yourself and Ee... While you are an admin (and a sysop?) and therefore a community member I has respect for, the constant battle between yourself and Ee is starting to get overboard. Yes, I know other admins have been involved, but it is your name that I see far more than anyone else's when dealing with Ee. I am not condoning his behaviour... I agree he has acted childishly at times, and against advice of others. However, he does appear to be trying to take things on board, but it's also clear that the 2 of you are now merely provoking each other, and it's going to cause more harm than good. The only way you are going to get through to Ee is to ban him. Remeber, he is young and so probably not used to this sort of collaborative environment and working with other people. However, the war this is turning into is not going to help him develop those skills; and, it has to be said, he is the future!

Can I suggest that you step back from the situation... There are other admins who Ee seems to listen to and who are, perhaps, more willing to take the time to re-educate him without things descending into a war between 2 people. Yes, I know others have tried and lost patience, but I would much rather someone who can get through to Ee take over and try and deal with this is a more constructive way. Plus there are many of us on here who are happy to do monitoring work to take care of any obvious problems.

I'm sorry if you are unhappy with anything I have said here Peter, and I hope you understand I am trying to take this from a totally neutral standpoint. I've not been here as long as you, and realise that as someone who has risen to the rank of admin you have put a lot of time and effort into the site. But I want to be clear that I am not taking anyone's side... As I said above, Ee has really not helped himself, but I do feel both parties here are now just provoking each other, which is only going to spiral into anarchy or a lot of bad fallout. However, I am just trying to be honest and offer a view on this from someone who has tried to remain as outside of the situation as possible.

As Ee himself would say, Keep Smiling! and I am more than happy to listen to anything anyone else has to say on the matter and try to find a constructive way forward for everyone for the sake of the project.

Nrms 17:03, 9 January 2009 (EST)

Peter's the flavor of the moment but by no means acting alone or without support, this situation has nothing to do with Peter... we've all taken turns. EE's age has nothing to do with this either, a 16 year old ran the Spanish version nearly singlehandedly for ages, the Hindi version was launched by a 14 year old, and star articles have been written by 18 year olds... all who had the desire and took the time to watch how a wiki community works, and adjust their actions accordingly. At this point I feel it's better that we stop continually discussing this case, everyone get back to writing travel guides, and just know that that his leash is still quite short and will remain so into the distant future – cacahuate talk 20:49, 9 January 2009 (EST)
"To be quite frank," your comment following the first paragraph strikes me as uninformed grandstanding, and I'm at pains to think of a way to respond to it that would be productive. To answer your question, though, I blocked EE on this occassion to restore the block placed there by User:Gorilla Jones, which had been removed by User:Sapphire without discussion. This action came on the heels of another admin undoing a block I had placed, and after I tried to make it clear that I thought it was inappopriate to do so without discussion. So I restored this particular block in the hopes of being as clear as possible that admins shouldn't be warring over blocks. Doing so started this discussion.
As to why the block was placed in the first place, it would appear it was due to edit warring this edit. To better understand why we would temp block this user for edit warring, look at this, and look over his talk page, particularly User:Peterfitzgerald/EEarchive#Blocks_and_protections. --Peter Talk 17:33, 11 January 2009 (EST)
Peter, don't take this rudely or anything but the fact is that it wasn't my fault that I was un blocked and it was unfair to block me for another day. edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 18:10, 11 January 2009 (EST).
Uninformed Grandstanding? Care to elaborate? Is what you call anyone expressing an opinion that doesn't fit with your personal way of thinking? Am I not allowed to express a frank opinion? I have been watching what's been going on but I have tried not to get involved. However, the constant war that is going on is really starting to detract from my enjoyment of the project. I notice tonight you reverted an edit by Ee [[3]] which, in gneral, I see nothing wrong with. In fact, to ensure I wasn't missing something I even asked someone living with me to read the comment, and she too failed to see any obvious reason why it would be reverted. My only objection would be to the 1-line comment "I don't mean to be rude in any way, but Cacahuate, you basically encouraged Peter in all of this," but I do not feel this warrants a revert (which may trigger an edit war) but could be better dealt with by a follow-up warning against the use of that sort of comment.
Regarding your feedback, I am not disagreeing with the policy of temp banning for edit warring; however it was not overly obvious where the edit war that lead to the temp ban being put in place. Whilst I agree his comment is not in best taste, I can kind of see how he might be getting slightly frustrated by all this, and has perhaps wiki-ed in anger. All I know is that I'm looking forward to being on the road for a few days this coming week and so I can get away from Wikitravel for a bit, and hope this all calms down by the time I get back. Well one can live in hope!
And Ee, that comment above is just the kind of whinging that's caused some people to take a dislike of you. Don't react to everything that is said about you. Sometimes you just have to keep a low profile and let people calm down and try and build up again with a clean slate. This is just why I made my original comment about people now just provoking each other! Nrms 18:25, 11 January 2009 (EST)
Nrms, thanks but if nobody reverted my stuff everytime I wouldn't comment on EVERYTHING. edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 18:27, 11 January 2009 (EST).

Hi Peter - in the interest of defusing the current mess, would you be agreeable to not reverting comments such as this one for a while? I fully understand your thinking in removing these comments and agree that it is fair to treat a user whose's recent contributions consist solely of provocation and attacks on others as we would anyone who was trolling, but in the interest of toning things down would it be possible to rely on others to revert those comments as necessary? And note that this applies only to pages not in your userspace - I'm fully in support of you reverting comments on your talk page as you see fit. Also, since episodes like this one tend to reduce people's enthusiasm about contributing, let me say that I will still be wearing my "Peter for President" button as soon as they are available to the public in honor of your many awesome contributions, particularly your utter kickass-ery in the area of creating maps and regional breakdowns. -- Ryan • (talk) • 18:29, 11 January 2009 (EST)

I am more than happy indeed to take a step back and let others take care of things. I'm traveling anyway right now. I am, however, feeling quite attacked on this matter, and the lack of support—even outright accusations of abuse of power—from other admins is startling and disappointing. I've said what I think has needed to be said in the most basic defense of my position, am trying hard not to be drawn into pointless tit for tats, and am going to take a good long wikibreak. --Peter Talk 19:00, 11 January 2009 (EST)
Enjoy the break, and definitely don't let anything get to you... you've put a lot of good effort into handling this in many different ways, all of which are noble, including the patient and ridiculously persistent guidance that you participated in in the early stages of this current situation, which are sadly out of focus to those that are getting involved in the 9th inning – cacahuate talk 21:43, 11 January 2009 (EST)
I'll echo that, I've stepped away from this, since I don't have a clue what to do any more, and I think the criticism is harsh and largely unjustified, given the circumstances, and that many of us agreed that this was the best course of action. Anyway again, don't take me being silent as lack of support, that's not what it is - and enjoy your break and travels - you'll be missed --Stefan (sertmann) Talk 21:57, 11 January 2009 (EST)
Me too(tm). I'm in a way responsible for starting this hullabaloo with my unblocking, which I'm now starting to regret -- I think we all understand perfectly why you did it, even if there is some disagreement with the rationale, and I had no intention of implying that you were abusing your powers. So please accept my apologies, and here's hoping WT, and you, come back stronger. Jpatokal 22:32, 11 January 2009 (EST)
You fellows were like moths to the flame with EE. I am glad he is gone and happy Peter is back. WT is a great project and people like you make it even better. Welcome back Peter 2old 09:16, 2 February 2009 (EST)

Get rid of my reference

Get rid of that copy of my user talk page! You are humiliating me so much I could never forgive you. It is embarrasing to have that wide out in the open so can you please just get rid of it! edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 18:25, 11 January 2009 (EST).

User talk:Peterfitzgerald/EEarchive --Peter Talk 18:52, 11 January 2009 (EST)


Thanks for the complement. Matt


Vandalism has been put into this travel guide just wanted to let someone know for it to be fixed to it's former glory. thank you. --Nurinko 22:11, 2 February 2009 (EST)

Collaboration of the month

Just wondering if you drafted up something, to try and get this going? I'd really like to see a collaboration on Rome, to try and gain a consensus on districts, moving things to the appropriate districts, and fixing up the entries and MOS issues - it's getting lonely trying to deal with this myself :) --Stefan (sertmann) Talk 03:11, 5 February 2009 (EST)

Yup, finally done now. I had hoped to have this up and running earlier, but got distracted by the general barn burning going on in January! --Peter Talk 18:38, 5 February 2009 (EST)

Question about external link

Hi Thank you for for the advice. I am new on wikitravel and I have read policy on external links but I do not understand what part is wrong with link I added? There is similar kind of that link I saw in some other page and then I add. Example in article cappadocia Get around write cappadocia Tour Travel then link to http://www.cappadociahotairballoon.com/ which page is about hot air ballooning tour in cappadocia. Then I add tour and travel www.araratturkey.com that includes all cappadocia hiking tour and information which one erased. Is it violation of policy because I do not add direct link like http://www.araratturkey.com/hiking_cappadocia.php or is it something else? Please explain to I do not make same mistake again. Thank you. Suplilumas 05:38, 4 February 2009 (EST)

Istanbul districts map

Wow! That map of Istanbul districts you've created is fantastic. It even shows ferry lines in detail! The only error I've seen so far is the typo in the ilands of Princes' Islands.--Vidimian 04:22, 6 February 2009 (EST)

Thanks! I'm happy to contribute what I can to such a wonderful city. I corrected the typo, although it may take a page refresh to see it. --Peter Talk 12:29, 6 February 2009 (EST)

Some jerks around

Hi Peter,

it seems that with the new year some new jerks arrived... User User_talk:BakerGreen seems to have a lot of fun adding stupid stuff and this userUser_talk:Texugo#User_puts_in_spam needs to be deleted. Thank you and have a nice weekend, jan 04:52, 6 February 2009 (EST)

User User_talk:Anthonyy adds the same content as BakerGreen...jan 05:19, 6 February 2009 (EST)

Australia Map

East to west:

  • Are red lines motorways?
If so, there are a few more of them, right across Australia.
The Pacific Hwy, Sydney to Brisbane is far from a motorway.
Bits of the Highway 31 aren't either.
  • Alphanumerics are used in states that don't use them yet.
Strictly speaking the M31 only begins just north of the Victorian border at the moment, the rest is just national highway 31. I think most people will get M31 though.
The A32 isn't used in NSW (except on some obscure intersections). Most people won't know this road, and will have difficulty following it.
  • Some numbered routes aren't marked.
National Route 1 isn't marked between Sydney -> Melbourne, or Melbourne -> Adelaide, even though the roads are.
  • Hobart is a little misplaced
Hobart looks a little inland, I think the dot should be almost on the coast.
  • Route 20, looks like it goes from Adelaide to Canberra, but it doesn't really. It finishes on the Hume near Wagga Wagga, and you would need to take the Hume North to Yass to join the Barton (National Highway 25) into Canberra.
  • National Route 66, is signposted National A2, in Queensland, but I think national 66 is probably still reasonable.
  • Some minor roads are included
The road north from Cairna would appear to be the Penisula Developmental Road. To go up there, is a bit of a serious undertaking. Probably a bit misleading to mark it in the same line type as the rest. The road to Cooktown is sealed, and fine. Along the coast to Cape Tribulation is fine, even National Route 1, may be a better alternative to show.
  • The Sunshine Coast looks odd, when the Gold Coast is actually a bigger destination. Less room to add it though, I guess.
  • Great Barrier Reef looks a little like land, and the blue dot on it makes no sense to me. Why there?
  • Maybe consider adding some destinations
Alice Springs in the centre is common
Broome up in the North West. Its a popular tourist destination, and the area looks a little sparse.
  • National Highway Shields, National Route shields, Alpha-numeric shields are a little misused.
The A32 isn't a national highway
Neither is the National Route 1 to Brisbane, past Newcastle (New South Wales), although this may change, with Austlink now taking responsibility for the road.
The Western Australia routes, 94, 95 are national highways, as are the parts of the national route 1, that join to them (not the bits around the coast)

I'll add anything else I think of. Have you considered just putting the national highways and national route 1 on the map? That would give both the major through routes, and most of the major touring routes, consistently and without too much clutter. --Inas 00:23, 12 February 2009 (EST)

I just went on to wikipedia, and found this [4]. It shows what I mean about the national highways. --Inas 00:27, 12 February 2009 (EST)
Looks much better! I think adding three bits of Highway 1 (National Route 1), popular with travellers.
  • The Pacific Hwy, National Route 1, between Sydney and Brisbane, along the coast. Probably the most traversed route by travelers. This was on the previous map. This is just the 1 on a white shield, essentially from Newcastle to Brisbane.
  • Highway 1, (National Route 1) from Broome down to Perth along the coast, and down through Albany. Again, a popular route with travellers. Again, this was on the previous map. This is the same white shield again.
  • The Princes Hwy from Sydney to Melbourne, the coastal route, Highway 1 (National Route 1). This is the 1 on white shield to the Vic border, and then it becomes the A1, then M1. Probably sufficient to skip the M1 bit.
I think it then would make a very good summary map.
Oh, and the Gold Coast seems to have moved into New South Wales. I'm not sure if there is space to squeeze it into Queensland. --Inas 17:34, 12 February 2009 (EST)
I like it. I'm throwing away by Atlas, and I'll be navigating by wikitravel from now on :-) Would I be the most pedantic person in the world, if I said that the A1 south of the Vic border, isn't a national route, and should be in the horizontal oblong shape, and not a shield? Anyway, good stuff. --Inas 21:17, 12 February 2009 (EST)

Help with translation etc

Питер, обратите внимание на ru:Обсуждение участника:Peterfitzgerald и ru:Wikitravel:Пивная путешественников#Избранная статья. -- Sergey kudryavtsev 06:41, 13 February 2009 (EST)

Deleting My User Page

Hello, Peter.

I noticed you are a sysop here. May I ask you to delete my User Page, please? Thanks in advance. --Vahagn Petrosyan 14:21, 13 February 2009 (EST)

Done. --Peter Talk 14:37, 13 February 2009 (EST)

User map

Hi Peter, nice map on your user page. I had been thinking of making one for myself but got distracted with other things. I might have shamelessly co-opt yours in the future :-) Shaund 01:13, 14 February 2009 (EST)

Please, co-opt away! Just remember to provide credit to me, as your image will be a derivative work. (joking) --Peter Talk 00:11, 20 February 2009 (EST)

response to message post

Thank you for the information regarding my listings and the apporpraite lsitings. I will comply with them going forward. PLease advise if there is anything I can amend before you remove it from the site. I am not running a script. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kbrophy (talkcontribs)


Питер, обратите внимание на ru:Обсуждение:Боголюбово (Владимирская область). -- Sergey kudryavtsev 06:20, 18 February 2009 (EST)


Hi Peter. Could please you give me your take on this discussion? Texugo 00:17, 20 February 2009 (EST)

I've looked at it, but feel out of my depth, since I don't know the first thing about the area (my Japan travels never went north of Kyoto). From looking at the discussion, it definitely seems that the various areas included in the administrative boundaries of the city of Hamamatsu should be broken into separate articles, but the disagreement is over whether to cover outlying "towns" as towns, or to group them as districts. Do I have that right? --Peter Talk 17:53, 23 February 2009 (EST)



thank you for your warning. im quite active in wikipedia so im quite ok with privacy rules etc. ill try to be more precise and more like the other links on that section. thank you again.

can you please check is its ok now?
thank you again.
thanks, but what do you mean exactly with automatically sign my posts? where should i insert the code? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Joaoleitao (talkcontribs)

Just type four tildes right after your comment, and it will then show your username + time & date (as does signature at the end of this comment I'm writing). --Peter Talk 18:27, 23 February 2009 (EST)

Australia's Northern Territory

Hi Peter, I wanted to get back in contact with you about the Northern Territory aricles I have been working on re your comments a few months ago.

"Your work is really looking great! I took a look around the Northern Territory articles, and spotted a couple issues.

First, ideally, specific listings should be placed in individual destination guides (cities & parks) rather than the region articles. I'd only include listings in the region articles when the town they are in is too small to write about, or if they are off in the wilderness and too far away from any town to include them in a city/town article. So the region articles should be mostly just prose.

Second, all linked destinations must have at least usable status to consider the region article a guide; for the region to be a star, all linked destinations must be at guide status. So articles like Top End Australia, for example, should be created and filled out.

Keep up the great work! --Peter Talk 17:11, 25 November 2008 (EST) "

I have updated the articles following the wiki rules to the best of my understanding, I was hoping you would be able to let me know what more needs to be done to improve their status. Any comments would be greatly appreciated at this point, as would any upgrades!!

I look forward to hearing from you, Lexi Lex 20:51, 23 February 2009 (EST)


I merged the couple of sentences about Koryakia with Kamchatka and turned the former into a redirect page. Sertmann mentioned on my talk page that you spent a lot of time with the Russian hierarchy, so I thought I'd mention that here. Unless the Kamchatka article were retitled "Kamchatka Krai", the Kamchatka peninsula includes almost all of Koryakia...so to me it seemed like a no-brainer to merge the two. AHeneen 21:20, 24 February 2009 (EST)

discussion moved to Talk:Kamchatka

Australia's Northern Territory

Peter thank you so much for all your help, your comments have been great. I have implemented the changes you suggested using the resources I have. I do have one more question regarding Kakadu National Park, to me it seems more than an outline article, but perhaps I'm missing something? Anyway, thanks again for your help


Lex 01:21, 25 February 2009 (EST)

Deleting Copyright Violations

Pleas see Wikitravel:Votes for undeletion#Several Copyright Violations. I think you are being a wee bit zealous deleting articles with valid names, even when the user is spamming the page creations. At least tag the violations with a {{copyvio}} until the user next edits the page, then kill the violations if the user ignores the message. Comments in the wikitext might also help. I know it is a bit more work than simply deleting the pages, but the pages are going to come back eventually if you don't take the extra effort now. - Huttite 09:20, 25 February 2009 (EST)

I've responded on the vfu page. But to quote yourself, "I fail to see the need to ever delete any wiki page that is not either (i) totally off topic and has no hope of redirection, (ii) spam, (iii) a copyright violation (iv) is offensive or (v) causes a technical issue or problem."
More to the point, it is bad site architecture to require more work in cleaning than in creating. For that reason, it takes more steps to add content than for an admin to revert it. That is not the case if a user spams undesirable page creations, and the community is required to go through and painstakingly clean it up. We already have a lot of undesirable edits go unpatrolled on Wikitravel, and the extra time I take to clean up this user's page creations, in addition to the significant time spent trying to steer him in the right direction, is time taken away from patrolling other edits. --Peter Talk 13:39, 26 February 2009 (EST)

Trump Tower

Hi, Peter. I noticed you reverted that bit on Trump Tower from Chicago/Loop, but you also reverted the change to the ordinal numbers of Aon Tower. Is Trump Tower still taller than Aon Tower? LtPowers 10:46, 25 February 2009 (EST)

Thanks for catching that! I'm starting to notice that nearly every time I turn that revert button on myself, I botch it somehow. --Peter Talk 11:20, 25 February 2009 (EST)

please consider

Please look at your EEarchive talk page. I think I made a very fair compromise. This has gone on long enough. edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 16:59, 27 February 2009 (EST).


Thanks for the cake! I don't think you put enough candles on though... ;) PerryPlanet Talk 19:23, 27 February 2009 (EST)

Vladivostok map

Hey, that's great to see with the ru version! I'll have to grab some of the images they've come up with. If you're in the mood for some translation, please filch their eat/drink listings for en. It could be a guide and an OtBP or DoTM before long. Gorilla Jones 18:49, 28 February 2009 (EST)

DoM at ru

Питер, пожалуйста, выскажите своё мнение в ru:Wikitravel:Кандидаты на направление месяца. -- Sergey kudryavtsev 06:40, 2 March 2009 (EST)


not a tout providing information about an award winning golf course inlcuding pictures. touting is trying to trick people by leaving fake reviews etc. Golf Week is about to name this a top 10 course in Virginia (along with kingsmill and homestead, etc.) and it is the only one in the winchester area to make this list. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by AstrosTexans (talkcontribs)

Complete sentences and grammar make communication easier. You can also sign your name automatically by typing four tildes after your comment (~~~~). Adding pictures of business establishments is frowned upon as touting. So is adding listings to multiple pages. So is promotional language. This is all covered in the policy articles you have been asked to read and follow. Edit warring is a more serious offense, and is liable to get your business establishment blacklisted. --Peter Talk 13:37, 2 March 2009 (EST)

I noticed you made revisions to these pages. I have been corresponding with Stefan (sertmann) and he was the one that actually made the edits to go with the picture and the link to the front royal page. please review my talk to see that he aggred that this was OK as we are trying to actually build info on to these pages to hopefully build tourism in these areas vs competing areas. sertmann and i discussed at length touting, etc. and he agreed that this small blurb with pic and link to the front royal page was acceptable.

"Good, I'll unprotect in a minute - some comments though; One listing per business is a long standing policy, which you need to discuss elsewhere, we work by consensus around here, and that one is a long standing policy - what you can do is what I did to one of your golf listings - Name of place in name of city - to link to the details, instead of having the info scattered all over the place (that also means if a details change, you don't have to update information on 15 different guides). Don't upload copyrighted images like the one of the hotel, and make sure that the information don't sound like it would on the hotels website or in an ad brochure, especially the info for the hotel is a far cry off how we want things to look here. --Stefan (sertmann) Talk 12:06, 2 March 2009 (EST) "

this is what he said, yet you just deleted all my links that he states are acceptable

ALSO, "However, you are welcome to promote golf in Virginia by adding general information about golf to the state-level article - for example, pointing out areas where people tend to go to golf, why Virginia is a good golf destination, etc. Keep it reasonably high-level (2-3 paragraphs) --Ryan"

I created the Golf heading and typed two nice paragraphs about Golf in VA as Ryan suggested and this put the type of link that Sertmann had created for me on there and you deleted that! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by AstrosTexans (talkcontribs)

First, please do not delete content on my user talk page. Second, I reverted your edit to Virginia because you re-added a link to your golf course on the Virginia page; that is clearly in violation of policy (which you have read), in addition to what you have been told on your talk page. I do think I went overboard with reverting the content you added in this edit that was acceptable per policy—my apologies. That all said, as of the current time, I am fine with the content in question as it stands. --Peter Talk 16:17, 2 March 2009 (EST)

Deletion of MiamiMadness

Peter, Thank you for your concern, as this was filed under the wrong section. I accidentally was signed in under ChicagoChica. Can you please send me the material that you deleted for that page so my work is not lost? You may copy it here so I can keep it in my archives. Thanks.

You have a good point. I can edit everything under HotelsCombined if that is the way this is supposed to be done. I just figured it would be better to start a new account for each city. However, please give me by write-up back that you deleted, as it took me a while to create it. THANKS!

User:SanFranciscoGirl, User:MiamiMadness, User:ChicagoChica and User:HotelsCombined are all the same entity, and the user has just recreated the MiamiMadness page, after he/she asked to have it recreated to keep in his/her archive. Would appriciate a comment over here --Stefan (sertmann) Talk 18:00, 2 March 2009 (EST)
And coincidentally User:SanFranciscoGirl has just expressed the exact same opinions about Miami as User:MiamiMadness has. We may need to start the ball rolling on a sock puppet policy like Wikipedia has, if we don't have one already, and force those four to combine into one account. Gorilla Jones 23:31, 6 March 2009 (EST)

Request for a map changes

Питер, в Петербургском метро сменилась схема линий, и надо поменять на картах Image:Vasilievsky map.png, Image:Saint Petersburg Central district.png и Image:Saint Petersburg historical center map.png цвет станций "Спортивная" и "Садовая" на фиолетовый (#990099). Новая станция 4 линии "Спасская" собственного выхода в город не имеет (обещают сделать через год), поэтому изображать её на карте не надо. Кроме того, вход на станцию "Спортивная" раположен дальше от Невы - вплотную к проспекту Добролюбова. -- Sergey kudryavtsev 16:02, 10 March 2009 (EDT)

deletion discussion

My fault entirely. I should have noticed the speedy keep on the previous edit. Apologies for needlessly prolonging the drama and I can see why it looked like I was picking on you. --Wandering 21:55, 10 March 2009 (EDT)



I did mean to do that actually, I plan to put the deleted sections under the "do" rather than "see" section of Monaco. I'm new to this but next time I'll leave a message in the editing summary. Thanks for letting me know! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Aziza.mansour (talkcontribs)


I saw your {{style}} tag on B'more and decided to dig in. My original plan was to pick a day (April 14), get rate quotes from each hotel's web site, and then use it as basis for sorting the listings. Of course, a lot of the web sites were wrong, so this is turning out to be a multi-session endeavor... Anyway, it supports my belief that someone needs to move Baltimore to the huge city format. --Jonboy 12:42, 14 March 2009 (EDT)

I wrote the San Ramon material

I wrote the San Ramon copy and am the publisher of that web site--thus no violation? --Troutpoint 11:41, 17 March 2009 (EDT)


You have now been block for excessive editing --Stefan (sertmann) Talk 19:17, 19 March 2009 (EDT)

Ha! I guess that does work. I would venture that's not really good site architecture, but it's unlikely to become a problem I'd think. --Peter Talk 19:21, 19 March 2009 (EDT)
You can block yourself, I think. And unblock yourself, so you needn't worry about a rogue admin blocking all the others and operating with impunity. =) LtPowers 21:32, 19 March 2009 (EDT)
Aha, so I can! --Peter Talk 22:06, 19 March 2009 (EDT)


Thanks Peter!

Greetings from Norway, Svein-Magne Tunli —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Smtunli (talkcontribs)


Thanks for your comment, re British and Irish Isles! Voayger 00:20, 22 March 2009 (GMT)