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== The guy from Ecuador ==
Hi, i was trying to give you a message but something with a spam filter happened, and I don't know what it is, but the message was that I wanted to appollogize for the problems that I could have given you. I am too young, I know, but I just wanted to help in developing my beautiful country on internet. Almost evereybody here in Ecuador is not interested on this. I want to know if later on I could upload photos(but first reviewing the rules) for giving a greater appereance to the articles about Ecuador and sorry for not responding to the firsts messages that you gave me, I didn't know what to say. Sorry if I gave you problems. --[[User:Mostroman13|Daniel Samaniego]]  12 May, 2009.

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Thank You!

Hey Thanks Peter.. will keep updating stuff :) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ankurbhandari (talkcontribs)

Thanks, for the advice Peter. I will continue to improve Colorado's Wine Country, as it is a really great part of the state's tourism. Any feedback is appreciated. WineCountryInn 21:52, 7 January 2009 (EST)

Thanks for the encouragement! Semibreve42 22:17, 15 February 2009 (EST)

Thanks for the compliments. Look forward to expand the (lacking) info on Franconia, Germany. Doesn't do it justice. Hokiesvt 13:25, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

Thanks for the message Peter, really appreciated- I'll keep on updating the Exeter page enthusiastically! --Electricotter 08:21, 24 March 2009 (EDT)

Thanks for the compliment. It all started because my friend complained our town had no article while some dumpy town in Arkansas did. I also happen to be proud of my town and tenacious when it comes to work like this. :) --TrekkingTurtle 00:36, 11 April 2009 (EDT)

WTP template

Got example? Seems to be appearing fine on the Singapore, Cairo etc pages, even after purging to rebuild the page. Jpatokal 01:34, 7 January 2009 (EST)

EE's talk page

While I understand your motivation, I think you were out of line to block EE over his edits to his own Talk page; there's no rule on WT that says you can't blank it. I've removed the protection and the block. → Wikitravel talk:Using talk pages#Blanking talk pages Jpatokal 01:43, 7 January 2009 (EST)

I have no issue with your previous blocks of EE. However, the only reason you stated in the last block was "edit warring", and based on his contribution logs [1], the only pages on which I see "edit warring" on Jan 6-7 was his own Talk page. His abusive comments to you were a response to your reverts. Jpatokal 10:30, 7 January 2009 (EST)
Also, I can't help but point out that on [2], you yourself said that "I'd say the user's own userspace would be the last refuge of a scoundrel's plea"... Jpatokal 10:32, 7 January 2009 (EST)
No, check the history of my talk page again, which is extremely short right now, and notice the edit warring. Check the block log as well—I did not block him following edit warring on his page (which I ended via a protect). I blocked him immediately following repeated abusive comments on my talk page. And what I said about his userspace seems very clear to me. He has the right to make his case there in whatever manner he chooses. That does not include erasing other people's comments. As I said on your talk page, undoing my good faith block and protection, and I still can't see how these violated any policy, was inappropriate, and caused a good deal more trouble than it resolved. --Peter Talk 13:52, 7 January 2009 (EST)

Link Removal

Hi Peter,

I entered a link to www dot citybaseapartments dot com on the wikitravel section on 31/12 and I think you removed it. Please may I ask why this is?

I have just looked and there are other links on there which provide the same service as us - i.e. that have not been removed - was there something incorrect in the link / comment I placed?

please can you reply on my talk page - thanks —The preceding unsigned comment was added by JHardy (talkcontribs)

User block 2009-01-09

Hi Peter,

Just wondering what the block situation with Edmontonenthusiast tonight was about. I see nothing in his contrib log before the initial ban was put in place, and there is no obvious reason given for that block. Does an admin undo remove the edit record from the user's contrib log? You comment about Marc being bounds of policy I find hard to justify when the raon of edit war-ing is given, but with no obvious trail. If things are removed from the user's contrib log on an admin undo, can I strongly suggest these be avoided so that the history is preserved so that people can see the edit war that was going on.

To be quite frank, I am starting to tire of this whole situation between yourself and Ee... While you are an admin (and a sysop?) and therefore a community member I has respect for, the constant battle between yourself and Ee is starting to get overboard. Yes, I know other admins have been involved, but it is your name that I see far more than anyone else's when dealing with Ee. I am not condoning his behaviour... I agree he has acted childishly at times, and against advice of others. However, he does appear to be trying to take things on board, but it's also clear that the 2 of you are now merely provoking each other, and it's going to cause more harm than good. The only way you are going to get through to Ee is to ban him. Remeber, he is young and so probably not used to this sort of collaborative environment and working with other people. However, the war this is turning into is not going to help him develop those skills; and, it has to be said, he is the future!

Can I suggest that you step back from the situation... There are other admins who Ee seems to listen to and who are, perhaps, more willing to take the time to re-educate him without things descending into a war between 2 people. Yes, I know others have tried and lost patience, but I would much rather someone who can get through to Ee take over and try and deal with this is a more constructive way. Plus there are many of us on here who are happy to do monitoring work to take care of any obvious problems.

I'm sorry if you are unhappy with anything I have said here Peter, and I hope you understand I am trying to take this from a totally neutral standpoint. I've not been here as long as you, and realise that as someone who has risen to the rank of admin you have put a lot of time and effort into the site. But I want to be clear that I am not taking anyone's side... As I said above, Ee has really not helped himself, but I do feel both parties here are now just provoking each other, which is only going to spiral into anarchy or a lot of bad fallout. However, I am just trying to be honest and offer a view on this from someone who has tried to remain as outside of the situation as possible.

As Ee himself would say, Keep Smiling! and I am more than happy to listen to anything anyone else has to say on the matter and try to find a constructive way forward for everyone for the sake of the project.

Nrms 17:03, 9 January 2009 (EST)

Peter's the flavor of the moment but by no means acting alone or without support, this situation has nothing to do with Peter... we've all taken turns. EE's age has nothing to do with this either, a 16 year old ran the Spanish version nearly singlehandedly for ages, the Hindi version was launched by a 14 year old, and star articles have been written by 18 year olds... all who had the desire and took the time to watch how a wiki community works, and adjust their actions accordingly. At this point I feel it's better that we stop continually discussing this case, everyone get back to writing travel guides, and just know that that his leash is still quite short and will remain so into the distant future – cacahuate talk 20:49, 9 January 2009 (EST)
"To be quite frank," your comment following the first paragraph strikes me as uninformed grandstanding, and I'm at pains to think of a way to respond to it that would be productive. To answer your question, though, I blocked EE on this occassion to restore the block placed there by User:Gorilla Jones, which had been removed by User:Sapphire without discussion. This action came on the heels of another admin undoing a block I had placed, and after I tried to make it clear that I thought it was inappopriate to do so without discussion. So I restored this particular block in the hopes of being as clear as possible that admins shouldn't be warring over blocks. Doing so started this discussion.
As to why the block was placed in the first place, it would appear it was due to edit warring this edit. To better understand why we would temp block this user for edit warring, look at this, and look over his talk page, particularly User:Peterfitzgerald/EEarchive#Blocks_and_protections. --Peter Talk 17:33, 11 January 2009 (EST)
Peter, don't take this rudely or anything but the fact is that it wasn't my fault that I was un blocked and it was unfair to block me for another day. edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 18:10, 11 January 2009 (EST).
Uninformed Grandstanding? Care to elaborate? Is what you call anyone expressing an opinion that doesn't fit with your personal way of thinking? Am I not allowed to express a frank opinion? I have been watching what's been going on but I have tried not to get involved. However, the constant war that is going on is really starting to detract from my enjoyment of the project. I notice tonight you reverted an edit by Ee [[3]] which, in gneral, I see nothing wrong with. In fact, to ensure I wasn't missing something I even asked someone living with me to read the comment, and she too failed to see any obvious reason why it would be reverted. My only objection would be to the 1-line comment "I don't mean to be rude in any way, but Cacahuate, you basically encouraged Peter in all of this," but I do not feel this warrants a revert (which may trigger an edit war) but could be better dealt with by a follow-up warning against the use of that sort of comment.
Regarding your feedback, I am not disagreeing with the policy of temp banning for edit warring; however it was not overly obvious where the edit war that lead to the temp ban being put in place. Whilst I agree his comment is not in best taste, I can kind of see how he might be getting slightly frustrated by all this, and has perhaps wiki-ed in anger. All I know is that I'm looking forward to being on the road for a few days this coming week and so I can get away from Wikitravel for a bit, and hope this all calms down by the time I get back. Well one can live in hope!
And Ee, that comment above is just the kind of whinging that's caused some people to take a dislike of you. Don't react to everything that is said about you. Sometimes you just have to keep a low profile and let people calm down and try and build up again with a clean slate. This is just why I made my original comment about people now just provoking each other! Nrms 18:25, 11 January 2009 (EST)
Nrms, thanks but if nobody reverted my stuff everytime I wouldn't comment on EVERYTHING. edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 18:27, 11 January 2009 (EST).

Hi Peter - in the interest of defusing the current mess, would you be agreeable to not reverting comments such as this one for a while? I fully understand your thinking in removing these comments and agree that it is fair to treat a user whose's recent contributions consist solely of provocation and attacks on others as we would anyone who was trolling, but in the interest of toning things down would it be possible to rely on others to revert those comments as necessary? And note that this applies only to pages not in your userspace - I'm fully in support of you reverting comments on your talk page as you see fit. Also, since episodes like this one tend to reduce people's enthusiasm about contributing, let me say that I will still be wearing my "Peter for President" button as soon as they are available to the public in honor of your many awesome contributions, particularly your utter kickass-ery in the area of creating maps and regional breakdowns. -- Ryan • (talk) • 18:29, 11 January 2009 (EST)

I am more than happy indeed to take a step back and let others take care of things. I'm traveling anyway right now. I am, however, feeling quite attacked on this matter, and the lack of support—even outright accusations of abuse of power—from other admins is startling and disappointing. I've said what I think has needed to be said in the most basic defense of my position, am trying hard not to be drawn into pointless tit for tats, and am going to take a good long wikibreak. --Peter Talk 19:00, 11 January 2009 (EST)
Enjoy the break, and definitely don't let anything get to you... you've put a lot of good effort into handling this in many different ways, all of which are noble, including the patient and ridiculously persistent guidance that you participated in in the early stages of this current situation, which are sadly out of focus to those that are getting involved in the 9th inning – cacahuate talk 21:43, 11 January 2009 (EST)
I'll echo that, I've stepped away from this, since I don't have a clue what to do any more, and I think the criticism is harsh and largely unjustified, given the circumstances, and that many of us agreed that this was the best course of action. Anyway again, don't take me being silent as lack of support, that's not what it is - and enjoy your break and travels - you'll be missed --Stefan (sertmann) Talk 21:57, 11 January 2009 (EST)
Me too(tm). I'm in a way responsible for starting this hullabaloo with my unblocking, which I'm now starting to regret -- I think we all understand perfectly why you did it, even if there is some disagreement with the rationale, and I had no intention of implying that you were abusing your powers. So please accept my apologies, and here's hoping WT, and you, come back stronger. Jpatokal 22:32, 11 January 2009 (EST)
You fellows were like moths to the flame with EE. I am glad he is gone and happy Peter is back. WT is a great project and people like you make it even better. Welcome back Peter 2old 09:16, 2 February 2009 (EST)

Get rid of my reference

Get rid of that copy of my user talk page! You are humiliating me so much I could never forgive you. It is embarrasing to have that wide out in the open so can you please just get rid of it! edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 18:25, 11 January 2009 (EST).

User talk:Peterfitzgerald/EEarchive --Peter Talk 18:52, 11 January 2009 (EST)


Thanks for the complement. Matt


Vandalism has been put into this travel guide just wanted to let someone know for it to be fixed to it's former glory. thank you. --Nurinko 22:11, 2 February 2009 (EST)

Collaboration of the month

Just wondering if you drafted up something, to try and get this going? I'd really like to see a collaboration on Rome, to try and gain a consensus on districts, moving things to the appropriate districts, and fixing up the entries and MOS issues - it's getting lonely trying to deal with this myself :) --Stefan (sertmann) Talk 03:11, 5 February 2009 (EST)

Yup, finally done now. I had hoped to have this up and running earlier, but got distracted by the general barn burning going on in January! --Peter Talk 18:38, 5 February 2009 (EST)

Question about external link

Hi Thank you for for the advice. I am new on wikitravel and I have read policy on external links but I do not understand what part is wrong with link I added? There is similar kind of that link I saw in some other page and then I add. Example in article cappadocia Get around write cappadocia Tour Travel then link to which page is about hot air ballooning tour in cappadocia. Then I add tour and travel that includes all cappadocia hiking tour and information which one erased. Is it violation of policy because I do not add direct link like or is it something else? Please explain to I do not make same mistake again. Thank you. Suplilumas 05:38, 4 February 2009 (EST)

Istanbul districts map

Wow! That map of Istanbul districts you've created is fantastic. It even shows ferry lines in detail! The only error I've seen so far is the typo in the ilands of Princes' Islands.--Vidimian 04:22, 6 February 2009 (EST)

Thanks! I'm happy to contribute what I can to such a wonderful city. I corrected the typo, although it may take a page refresh to see it. --Peter Talk 12:29, 6 February 2009 (EST)

Some jerks around

Hi Peter,

it seems that with the new year some new jerks arrived... User User_talk:BakerGreen seems to have a lot of fun adding stupid stuff and this userUser_talk:Texugo#User_puts_in_spam needs to be deleted. Thank you and have a nice weekend, jan 04:52, 6 February 2009 (EST)

User User_talk:Anthonyy adds the same content as BakerGreen...jan 05:19, 6 February 2009 (EST)

Australia Map

East to west:

  • Are red lines motorways?
If so, there are a few more of them, right across Australia.
The Pacific Hwy, Sydney to Brisbane is far from a motorway.
Bits of the Highway 31 aren't either.
  • Alphanumerics are used in states that don't use them yet.
Strictly speaking the M31 only begins just north of the Victorian border at the moment, the rest is just national highway 31. I think most people will get M31 though.
The A32 isn't used in NSW (except on some obscure intersections). Most people won't know this road, and will have difficulty following it.
  • Some numbered routes aren't marked.
National Route 1 isn't marked between Sydney -> Melbourne, or Melbourne -> Adelaide, even though the roads are.
  • Hobart is a little misplaced
Hobart looks a little inland, I think the dot should be almost on the coast.
  • Route 20, looks like it goes from Adelaide to Canberra, but it doesn't really. It finishes on the Hume near Wagga Wagga, and you would need to take the Hume North to Yass to join the Barton (National Highway 25) into Canberra.
  • National Route 66, is signposted National A2, in Queensland, but I think national 66 is probably still reasonable.
  • Some minor roads are included
The road north from Cairna would appear to be the Penisula Developmental Road. To go up there, is a bit of a serious undertaking. Probably a bit misleading to mark it in the same line type as the rest. The road to Cooktown is sealed, and fine. Along the coast to Cape Tribulation is fine, even National Route 1, may be a better alternative to show.
  • The Sunshine Coast looks odd, when the Gold Coast is actually a bigger destination. Less room to add it though, I guess.
  • Great Barrier Reef looks a little like land, and the blue dot on it makes no sense to me. Why there?
  • Maybe consider adding some destinations
Alice Springs in the centre is common
Broome up in the North West. Its a popular tourist destination, and the area looks a little sparse.
  • National Highway Shields, National Route shields, Alpha-numeric shields are a little misused.
The A32 isn't a national highway
Neither is the National Route 1 to Brisbane, past Newcastle (New South Wales), although this may change, with Austlink now taking responsibility for the road.
The Western Australia routes, 94, 95 are national highways, as are the parts of the national route 1, that join to them (not the bits around the coast)

I'll add anything else I think of. Have you considered just putting the national highways and national route 1 on the map? That would give both the major through routes, and most of the major touring routes, consistently and without too much clutter. --Inas 00:23, 12 February 2009 (EST)

I just went on to wikipedia, and found this [4]. It shows what I mean about the national highways. --Inas 00:27, 12 February 2009 (EST)
Looks much better! I think adding three bits of Highway 1 (National Route 1), popular with travellers.
  • The Pacific Hwy, National Route 1, between Sydney and Brisbane, along the coast. Probably the most traversed route by travelers. This was on the previous map. This is just the 1 on a white shield, essentially from Newcastle to Brisbane.
  • Highway 1, (National Route 1) from Broome down to Perth along the coast, and down through Albany. Again, a popular route with travellers. Again, this was on the previous map. This is the same white shield again.
  • The Princes Hwy from Sydney to Melbourne, the coastal route, Highway 1 (National Route 1). This is the 1 on white shield to the Vic border, and then it becomes the A1, then M1. Probably sufficient to skip the M1 bit.
I think it then would make a very good summary map.
Oh, and the Gold Coast seems to have moved into New South Wales. I'm not sure if there is space to squeeze it into Queensland. --Inas 17:34, 12 February 2009 (EST)
I like it. I'm throwing away by Atlas, and I'll be navigating by wikitravel from now on :-) Would I be the most pedantic person in the world, if I said that the A1 south of the Vic border, isn't a national route, and should be in the horizontal oblong shape, and not a shield? Anyway, good stuff. --Inas 21:17, 12 February 2009 (EST)

Help with translation etc

Питер, обратите внимание на ru:Обсуждение участника:Peterfitzgerald и ru:Wikitravel:Пивная путешественников#Избранная статья. -- Sergey kudryavtsev 06:41, 13 February 2009 (EST)

Deleting My User Page

Hello, Peter.

I noticed you are a sysop here. May I ask you to delete my User Page, please? Thanks in advance. --Vahagn Petrosyan 14:21, 13 February 2009 (EST)

Done. --Peter Talk 14:37, 13 February 2009 (EST)

User map

Hi Peter, nice map on your user page. I had been thinking of making one for myself but got distracted with other things. I might have shamelessly co-opt yours in the future :-) Shaund 01:13, 14 February 2009 (EST)

Please, co-opt away! Just remember to provide credit to me, as your image will be a derivative work. (joking) --Peter Talk 00:11, 20 February 2009 (EST)

response to message post

Thank you for the information regarding my listings and the apporpraite lsitings. I will comply with them going forward. PLease advise if there is anything I can amend before you remove it from the site. I am not running a script. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kbrophy (talkcontribs)


Питер, обратите внимание на ru:Обсуждение:Боголюбово (Владимирская область). -- Sergey kudryavtsev 06:20, 18 February 2009 (EST)


Hi Peter. Could please you give me your take on this discussion? Texugo 00:17, 20 February 2009 (EST)

I've looked at it, but feel out of my depth, since I don't know the first thing about the area (my Japan travels never went north of Kyoto). From looking at the discussion, it definitely seems that the various areas included in the administrative boundaries of the city of Hamamatsu should be broken into separate articles, but the disagreement is over whether to cover outlying "towns" as towns, or to group them as districts. Do I have that right? --Peter Talk 17:53, 23 February 2009 (EST)



thank you for your warning. im quite active in wikipedia so im quite ok with privacy rules etc. ill try to be more precise and more like the other links on that section. thank you again.

can you please check is its ok now?
thank you again.
thanks, but what do you mean exactly with automatically sign my posts? where should i insert the code? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Joaoleitao (talkcontribs)

Just type four tildes right after your comment, and it will then show your username + time & date (as does signature at the end of this comment I'm writing). --Peter Talk 18:27, 23 February 2009 (EST)

Australia's Northern Territory

Hi Peter, I wanted to get back in contact with you about the Northern Territory aricles I have been working on re your comments a few months ago.

"Your work is really looking great! I took a look around the Northern Territory articles, and spotted a couple issues.

First, ideally, specific listings should be placed in individual destination guides (cities & parks) rather than the region articles. I'd only include listings in the region articles when the town they are in is too small to write about, or if they are off in the wilderness and too far away from any town to include them in a city/town article. So the region articles should be mostly just prose.

Second, all linked destinations must have at least usable status to consider the region article a guide; for the region to be a star, all linked destinations must be at guide status. So articles like Top End Australia, for example, should be created and filled out.

Keep up the great work! --Peter Talk 17:11, 25 November 2008 (EST) "

I have updated the articles following the wiki rules to the best of my understanding, I was hoping you would be able to let me know what more needs to be done to improve their status. Any comments would be greatly appreciated at this point, as would any upgrades!!

I look forward to hearing from you, Lexi Lex 20:51, 23 February 2009 (EST)


I merged the couple of sentences about Koryakia with Kamchatka and turned the former into a redirect page. Sertmann mentioned on my talk page that you spent a lot of time with the Russian hierarchy, so I thought I'd mention that here. Unless the Kamchatka article were retitled "Kamchatka Krai", the Kamchatka peninsula includes almost all of to me it seemed like a no-brainer to merge the two. AHeneen 21:20, 24 February 2009 (EST)

discussion moved to Talk:Kamchatka

Australia's Northern Territory

Peter thank you so much for all your help, your comments have been great. I have implemented the changes you suggested using the resources I have. I do have one more question regarding Kakadu National Park, to me it seems more than an outline article, but perhaps I'm missing something? Anyway, thanks again for your help


Lex 01:21, 25 February 2009 (EST)

Deleting Copyright Violations

Pleas see Wikitravel:Votes for undeletion#Several Copyright Violations. I think you are being a wee bit zealous deleting articles with valid names, even when the user is spamming the page creations. At least tag the violations with a {{copyvio}} until the user next edits the page, then kill the violations if the user ignores the message. Comments in the wikitext might also help. I know it is a bit more work than simply deleting the pages, but the pages are going to come back eventually if you don't take the extra effort now. - Huttite 09:20, 25 February 2009 (EST)

I've responded on the vfu page. But to quote yourself, "I fail to see the need to ever delete any wiki page that is not either (i) totally off topic and has no hope of redirection, (ii) spam, (iii) a copyright violation (iv) is offensive or (v) causes a technical issue or problem."
More to the point, it is bad site architecture to require more work in cleaning than in creating. For that reason, it takes more steps to add content than for an admin to revert it. That is not the case if a user spams undesirable page creations, and the community is required to go through and painstakingly clean it up. We already have a lot of undesirable edits go unpatrolled on Wikitravel, and the extra time I take to clean up this user's page creations, in addition to the significant time spent trying to steer him in the right direction, is time taken away from patrolling other edits. --Peter Talk 13:39, 26 February 2009 (EST)

Trump Tower

Hi, Peter. I noticed you reverted that bit on Trump Tower from Chicago/Loop, but you also reverted the change to the ordinal numbers of Aon Tower. Is Trump Tower still taller than Aon Tower? LtPowers 10:46, 25 February 2009 (EST)

Thanks for catching that! I'm starting to notice that nearly every time I turn that revert button on myself, I botch it somehow. --Peter Talk 11:20, 25 February 2009 (EST)

please consider

Please look at your EEarchive talk page. I think I made a very fair compromise. This has gone on long enough. edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 16:59, 27 February 2009 (EST).


Thanks for the cake! I don't think you put enough candles on though... ;) PerryPlanet Talk 19:23, 27 February 2009 (EST)

Vladivostok map

Hey, that's great to see with the ru version! I'll have to grab some of the images they've come up with. If you're in the mood for some translation, please filch their eat/drink listings for en. It could be a guide and an OtBP or DoTM before long. Gorilla Jones 18:49, 28 February 2009 (EST)

DoM at ru

Питер, пожалуйста, выскажите своё мнение в ru:Wikitravel:Кандидаты на направление месяца. -- Sergey kudryavtsev 06:40, 2 March 2009 (EST)


not a tout providing information about an award winning golf course inlcuding pictures. touting is trying to trick people by leaving fake reviews etc. Golf Week is about to name this a top 10 course in Virginia (along with kingsmill and homestead, etc.) and it is the only one in the winchester area to make this list. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by AstrosTexans (talkcontribs)

Complete sentences and grammar make communication easier. You can also sign your name automatically by typing four tildes after your comment (~~~~). Adding pictures of business establishments is frowned upon as touting. So is adding listings to multiple pages. So is promotional language. This is all covered in the policy articles you have been asked to read and follow. Edit warring is a more serious offense, and is liable to get your business establishment blacklisted. --Peter Talk 13:37, 2 March 2009 (EST)

I noticed you made revisions to these pages. I have been corresponding with Stefan (sertmann) and he was the one that actually made the edits to go with the picture and the link to the front royal page. please review my talk to see that he aggred that this was OK as we are trying to actually build info on to these pages to hopefully build tourism in these areas vs competing areas. sertmann and i discussed at length touting, etc. and he agreed that this small blurb with pic and link to the front royal page was acceptable.

"Good, I'll unprotect in a minute - some comments though; One listing per business is a long standing policy, which you need to discuss elsewhere, we work by consensus around here, and that one is a long standing policy - what you can do is what I did to one of your golf listings - Name of place in name of city - to link to the details, instead of having the info scattered all over the place (that also means if a details change, you don't have to update information on 15 different guides). Don't upload copyrighted images like the one of the hotel, and make sure that the information don't sound like it would on the hotels website or in an ad brochure, especially the info for the hotel is a far cry off how we want things to look here. --Stefan (sertmann) Talk 12:06, 2 March 2009 (EST) "

this is what he said, yet you just deleted all my links that he states are acceptable

ALSO, "However, you are welcome to promote golf in Virginia by adding general information about golf to the state-level article - for example, pointing out areas where people tend to go to golf, why Virginia is a good golf destination, etc. Keep it reasonably high-level (2-3 paragraphs) --Ryan"

I created the Golf heading and typed two nice paragraphs about Golf in VA as Ryan suggested and this put the type of link that Sertmann had created for me on there and you deleted that! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by AstrosTexans (talkcontribs)

First, please do not delete content on my user talk page. Second, I reverted your edit to Virginia because you re-added a link to your golf course on the Virginia page; that is clearly in violation of policy (which you have read), in addition to what you have been told on your talk page. I do think I went overboard with reverting the content you added in this edit that was acceptable per policy—my apologies. That all said, as of the current time, I am fine with the content in question as it stands. --Peter Talk 16:17, 2 March 2009 (EST)

Deletion of MiamiMadness

Peter, Thank you for your concern, as this was filed under the wrong section. I accidentally was signed in under ChicagoChica. Can you please send me the material that you deleted for that page so my work is not lost? You may copy it here so I can keep it in my archives. Thanks.

You have a good point. I can edit everything under HotelsCombined if that is the way this is supposed to be done. I just figured it would be better to start a new account for each city. However, please give me by write-up back that you deleted, as it took me a while to create it. THANKS!

User:SanFranciscoGirl, User:MiamiMadness, User:ChicagoChica and User:HotelsCombined are all the same entity, and the user has just recreated the MiamiMadness page, after he/she asked to have it recreated to keep in his/her archive. Would appriciate a comment over here --Stefan (sertmann) Talk 18:00, 2 March 2009 (EST)
And coincidentally User:SanFranciscoGirl has just expressed the exact same opinions about Miami as User:MiamiMadness has. We may need to start the ball rolling on a sock puppet policy like Wikipedia has, if we don't have one already, and force those four to combine into one account. Gorilla Jones 23:31, 6 March 2009 (EST)
And now User:ThaiGal! Gorilla Jones 23:03, 10 May 2009 (EDT)

Request for a map changes

Питер, в Петербургском метро сменилась схема линий, и надо поменять на картах Image:Vasilievsky map.png, Image:Saint Petersburg Central district.png и Image:Saint Petersburg historical center map.png цвет станций "Спортивная" и "Садовая" на фиолетовый (#990099). Новая станция 4 линии "Спасская" собственного выхода в город не имеет (обещают сделать через год), поэтому изображать её на карте не надо. Кроме того, вход на станцию "Спортивная" раположен дальше от Невы - вплотную к проспекту Добролюбова. -- Sergey kudryavtsev 16:02, 10 March 2009 (EDT)

deletion discussion

My fault entirely. I should have noticed the speedy keep on the previous edit. Apologies for needlessly prolonging the drama and I can see why it looked like I was picking on you. --Wandering 21:55, 10 March 2009 (EDT)



I did mean to do that actually, I plan to put the deleted sections under the "do" rather than "see" section of Monaco. I'm new to this but next time I'll leave a message in the editing summary. Thanks for letting me know! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Aziza.mansour (talkcontribs)


I saw your {{style}} tag on B'more and decided to dig in. My original plan was to pick a day (April 14), get rate quotes from each hotel's web site, and then use it as basis for sorting the listings. Of course, a lot of the web sites were wrong, so this is turning out to be a multi-session endeavor... Anyway, it supports my belief that someone needs to move Baltimore to the huge city format. --Jonboy 12:42, 14 March 2009 (EDT)

I wrote the San Ramon material

I wrote the San Ramon copy and am the publisher of that web site--thus no violation? --Troutpoint 11:41, 17 March 2009 (EDT)


You have now been block for excessive editing --Stefan (sertmann) Talk 19:17, 19 March 2009 (EDT)

Ha! I guess that does work. I would venture that's not really good site architecture, but it's unlikely to become a problem I'd think. --Peter Talk 19:21, 19 March 2009 (EDT)
You can block yourself, I think. And unblock yourself, so you needn't worry about a rogue admin blocking all the others and operating with impunity. =) LtPowers 21:32, 19 March 2009 (EDT)
Aha, so I can! --Peter Talk 22:06, 19 March 2009 (EDT)


Thanks Peter!

Greetings from Norway, Svein-Magne Tunli —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Smtunli (talkcontribs)


Thanks for your comment, re British and Irish Isles! Voayger 00:20, 22 March 2009 (GMT)

Thanks for the compliment. I apologize that I haven't been on here in awhile. I should do more to help; God knows it's difficult for me to dig up some of the information I need. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Davewill (talkcontribs)

oh really —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dorothy2 (talkcontribs)

Really. --Peter Talk 03:44, 22 March 2009 (EDT)

Not yet

"all top-level Euro regions done, w00t!" Well, not yet :) No matter totally European or not, there is Turkey. But it has some problems on defining the borders of Central Anatolia, especially the borders between Cent. Anat. and Black Sea Turkey/Eastern Anatolia/Aegean Turkey.--Vidimian 23:43, 22 March 2009 (EDT)

In case you haven't seen it, I have started a discussion on defining Turkish regional borders here.--Vidimian 03:11, 24 March 2009 (EDT)
Yep! Have no fear, I will get to that. --Peter Talk 03:12, 24 March 2009 (EDT)


Not quite sure why you've twice reverted my warning boxes on Detroit. Detroit is an extraordinarily dangerous place that nobody should ever visit unless they absolutely, positively have to. The entire city (literally the ENTIRE city other than about a ten block area immediately around the Rennaissance Center) is nothing but a giant, abandoned wasteland full of drug addicts and gang members. Inexplicably, the Detroit page seems to actually encourage people to visit this terrible place. We don't encourage people to visit Mogadishu or Baghdad, and Detroit is the closest equivalent we have in the Western Hemisphere, so I'm confused as to why there aren't any warning boxes there. Could you explain please? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talkcontribs)

Talk:Detroit#Warning box. Two things: 1) please sign your posts by typing four tildes at the end of it (~~~~); 2) please comment at Talk:Detroit, if you rant further here, I will revert. --Peter Talk 19:32, 24 March 2009 (EDT)
Done. Commented on over at the Detroit page, thanks. 19:40, 24 March 2009 (EDT)

South Side Irish

You heard about how they're ending the South Side Irish parade, right? Gorilla Jones 18:59, 26 March 2009 (EDT)

@#%&! What the hell am I supposed to write about this place, then? Bloody hell... A true shame—that was quite the event. I can only hope that this is a momentary lapse in judgment, and it will be back in 2 years. Hopefully people will realize that it's worth one crazy day of the year to put their neighborhood on the international map. --Peter Talk 01:26, 27 March 2009 (EDT)
Damn, don't piss off Peter Fitzgerald — he'll demote your whole neighborhood! Gorilla Jones 18:41, 28 March 2009 (EDT)
That's a great hot dog pic by the way — let's include it in print. Gorilla Jones 13:32, 29 March 2009 (EDT)
My thoughts exactly—as soon as I uploaded it I had to run out and get two for myself. I like it better than the pizza pic, but it still would seem a shame to get rid of that one—we can take a gander at that page count with both included, I suppose. --Peter Talk 13:50, 29 March 2009 (EDT)

removal of my contribution to Rome South


I have never heard of or looked at The only copying (in a heavily edited form) was from my own and others contributions to the pages on the Appian Way in Wikipedia. I live in the area and my observations on the 118 bus were based on personal experience and on seeing scores of miserable tourists standing at the side of the road waiting for a bus back to Rome. Please restore.Roundtheworld 06:03, 29 March 2009 (EDT)

No worries

about any comments made; I just didn't know what I was walking into! ;) Thanks for the welcome. Army of me 03:10, 30 March 2009 (EDT)

Hawaiian rentals

Aloha Peter,

Actually, is not my site. I have contributed a bit to these Hawaii pages and I was just trying to put good info in there. I was trying to get the Maui accommodations started and is just the most comprehensive site - plus they come up #1 for Maui vacation rentals so I thought you would want to give your visitors the best site possible.

My site is actually and (I have others, but these are my vacation sites). I was thinking about building out the Na Pali section (as it is quite blank) but I think your guidelines say not to link out to your own site, so I don't know if this would be worth it to me. Could I link back to my sites if I completed the page?

I read the guidelines you sent me. Thanks for pointing out the apartment aggregators policy to me. I see several links within the "Stay" sections violating this policy. For instance (on Kauai), these are all vacation management companies similar to

Coastline Cottages at Poipu Beach - Coastline cottages is a vacation rental management company with several rentals in Poipu Makahuena - points to Luxury Quest which is a vacation rental management company servicing areas outside of Hawaii as well PoipuKai Resort - Goes to Suite Paradise who manages rentals across several properties in Poipu.

I'll go through and remove these if you like - let me know. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by HawaiiFi (talkcontribs)

Aloha Peter,
I'm a little bit confused. rents by the day and has offices on each island. So wouldn't they fit within the guidelines?
Also, back to the Na Pali section. Can I link back to my own sites? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by HawaiiFi (talkcontribs)
I read through the guidelines even further. I think meets these guidelines. Unfortunately, I just think I did not include all the required information in the listing. Should I re-post with all the information that is supposed to be included per the guidelines?
Also, all the other vacation rental agencies I mentioned previously, except for, do meet the guidelines so I won't remove those. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by HawaiiFi (talkcontribs)

Rome apartments

Why you cancel every time our hotel in Trastevere ???? Relais Rome Sweet Home Trastevere located in Viale Trastevere 70 !!!! This hotel exists !!!! You can't cancel it !! Please see some examples : —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talkcontribs)

I believe you are quite confused. Your agency is not a hotel, it is a rental agency. You are right, however, that regardless of what actions I may take on this wiki, I cannot "cancel" your hotel (especially since you do not have one), but I don't see how this is relevant.
Your rental agency is linked, and enjoys a rather special position on the main Rome article sleep section. Adding additional links to the district articles, including Trastevere, is considered touting.
Additionally, I have removed the links you provided as "examples" because I do not want my talk page being used for linkspam. --Peter Talk 03:26, 31 March 2009 (EDT)

Dear Peter ther is a big mistake because you are right we have a rental agency called Rome Sweet Home the office is in Via della Vite 32 but we have even this small hotel/guest house that is called Relais Rome Sweet Home Trastevere located in Viale Trastevere 70 , that is totally indipendent from the agency !!! You can check this matter on Expedia , Tripadvisor , Lastminute etc. etc. Thanks for your help . —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talkcontribs)

I do not understand you. You have a rental agency called Rome Sweet Home. You have a small hotel/guest house called Rome Sweet Home. How is this not an apartment booked through your agency? --Peter Talk 17:01, 16 April 2009 (EDT)

No we have two different business !!!!! Rome Sweet Home is a rental agency placed correctly in the overview page , meanwhile Relais Rome Sweet Home Trastevere is an small hotel located in Viale Trastevere 70 and is not the same partners and company of Rome Sweet Home , please check on or . You have no rights to cancel this hotel please understand this matter.

Unfortuantly for you, we have indisputable evidence that Rome's hotel owners can't be trusted with self censorship. Trust me, we would rather not spend all the energy on keeping our Rome guide humanly readable, but unfortunately it is obviously required - take a look at that link and tell me which hotel you'd choose if you couldn't choose your own - pretty hard eh? --Stefan (sertmann) Talk 06:25, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
What means this link ? The rule is to help travellers to choose by themselves hotels in that area ( Trastevere ) , we have an official authorization from Comune di Roma to have the hotel . Why you & Peter want to hide this hotel ? Please explain why a regular hotel cannot stay into the proper district ? Do you mean you don't like the hotel ?
This is a copy of Wikitravel policy for business owners : Contribute
If you own a restaurant, hotel, bar, or popular tourist attraction, plunge forward and add a listing for it. Find the article for the city or district it is located in, and add it to the appropriate section (See, Do, Buy, Eat, Drink, Sleep). Even if your business fits into more than one of these sections it should be listed only once - for example, if your hotel has a restaurant and bar, list the hotel under "Sleep" and mention that there is a restaurant and bar. Take a look at our style guidelines to see how to format your listing. Those guidelines also explain the kinds of businesses we'd rather not include, such as third-party booking services; we want to put travellers in direct contact with the people they'll be patronizing.
We don't use images of hotels, restaurants, nightclubs, etc. Please try to describe your business as straightforward as possible. The key guideline is: "Don't tout." Save the sales pitch and just tell it like it is. You don't have to stick to a dry recitation of facts, but keep in mind that Wikitravellers aren't fools. They'll see through flowery descriptions and effusive praise, and they won't trust it. Any of it. They'll distrust your listing, and they'll also start to distrust Wikitravel in general, which isn't good for you or for the rest of us.
Please try and use a Wikitravel standard listing format. Look around to see how other good listings are done, and copy their example.
What I meant by this link was to show you how the Wikitravel Rome guide looked a couple of month ago, before a lot of people spend a lot of time cleaning everything up, so it's useful for travellers - we really don't want it to return to the same state again, as it would if we didn't monitor it carefully as we do.
But since you are quoting our policy, please notice the phrase: Even if your business fits into more than one of these sections it should be listed only once -and you have provided yourself with an answer to your question. If it bookable through your website or by calling you, it's redundant, even though it's run independently of the apartment rentals, not matter what you've written on Expedia or Tripadvisor.
And please get an account, so we can discuss this where it's relevant, which is not on Peters talk page --Stefan (sertmann) Talk 09:20, 22 April 2009 (EDT)


Hi Peter, I just wanted to say thank you for all the positive feedback; it's really nice to have a reinforcement of the edits I'm making. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Annsabananna (talkcontribs)

New US Regions Map


I think a few more things could be added to the map:

  • A few more cities: AK has 9 while MN, FL, & HI are important state w/only 1-2 cities. There's space to add Duluth, Tampa, Jacksonville, & Hilo.
  • More national parks: Everglades (FL), Big Bend (TX), Badlands/Mt.Rushmore (SD), & a couple in AK (Denali, Gates of the Arctic, &/or Wrangell St.Ellias).

Using my knowledge & not comparing exactly with a map, there seems to be quite a few mistakes on the new map.

  • Honolulu is on Oahu (it's currently in the middle of the ocean).
I realize that anyone planning on driving would buy a map, but for some reason these few jumped out at me:
  • I-10 does not go through Austin...but rather San Antonio (which is larger, so it should probably be labeled rather than Austin).
  • I-15 goes all the way to the border, it doesn't end in Helena.
  • Montreal should be further east. I-87 continues straight north to Montreal, it doesn't swing west to get to the city. For that matter, why have some routes continued into Canada, while others don't? I-87 continues to Montreal, & I-15 continues to Calgary. For that matter, why are roads in Canada & Mexico even marked? If you plan on keeping the roads in them, could you include a road through Calgary with an arrow heading north with "To Alaska" and a simmilar thing going SE from Whitehorse (AK could use a couple of roads too).

I'm probably sounding like an ass for criticizing all this, but I'm not trying to be...I'm just trying to be helpful in creating a better map (the only really important thing is Honolulu in the ocean). AHeneen 22:46, 31 March 2009 (EDT)

Not in the slightest! Criticism is very useful, and I love getting it. It's always hard to proofread your own work. I'm going to be very busy for about a week, but I'll try to tackle this afterward (unless someone else does first). --Peter Talk 22:52, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
Scratch that, found time tonight to make all these changes. --Peter Talk 01:45, 1 April 2009 (EDT)


Yup. We're so very far ahead of our for the wave of documentaries about Harold's Chicken to arrive in late 2010. On the Talk:Munich rant, I'd have agreed with the removal if it was a new rant and it was only a rant, but it more than that — it was two years old, and the removed content included User:Flip666's actions taken with regard to the rant. (Another unrelated section was removed as well, probably by accident.) In that an established Wikitravel user got involved and tried to mediate the dispute, it became a relevant piece of this site's record. It could get a disclaimer like Talk:Germany/Racism, I suppose, but shouldn't disappear. Gorilla Jones 22:09, 5 April 2009 (EDT)


Hi, I recently visited Bakkhali and I am trying to put some useful info for other people. I find you are deleting my changes! Why are you doing so? Hotel phone nos are ok. I stayed there recently. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Itspradip (talkcontribs)

removal of photo

Peter, I can perfectly understand if you did not like my photo of joggers along the side of the aqueduct. But to remove it without saying anything? What are the rules for photos? Are they encouraged or do you try to limit the number?Shep 15:36, 6 April 2009 (EDT)


Hey, could you do me a favor and take a look at Corfu? It's a wreck and I suspect it to be a mixture of copyvios, but I can't figure out how far back it needs to be reverted. Thanks. -- Sapphire(Talk) • 16:52, 6 April 2009 (EDT)


Hey, Peter. I wasn't ignoring you, I just forgot. Here's the SVG: shared:Image:Map - Walt Disney World - Epcot.svg. LtPowers 20:38, 6 April 2009 (EDT)

Thanks! --Peter Talk 20:52, 6 April 2009 (EDT)

Well, since you seem to know all previous policy discussions around here by heart, this discussion might benefit from your knowledge - I hate to do anything that would prevent any future starification, with all the work put into it, but I also think my additions (barring my terrible grammar) makes for a good educative read. --Stefan (sertmann) Talk 22:37, 9 April 2009 (EDT)

Edit summaries of the damned

Really? Are you sure the Grand Canyon isn't in North Carolina? Gorilla Jones 16:00, 11 April 2009 (EDT)

Big Bend

Thanks for saying so! I still feel there's a lot that can be expanded, which I planned on doing. I have a question on pictures, though - what's your opinion on where the source of pictures should come from? I have plenty of pictures I've taken but nearly all have people prominently in it. The rest I'd say range from bad to okay quality. Is it kosher to borrow superior images from other wiki publications, say Wikipedia? (Also what's the netiquette on replying to messages on user talk pages? Should I have added on to the message you posted on mine or is this okay? I've never known ;) Army of me 18:10, 12 April 2009 (EDT)

Wow, thanks for all that great information! Army of me 00:29, 13 April 2009 (EDT)

Mongolian names

Discussion moved to Talk:Mongolia#H and Kh


Peter, what is the point of Categories when 17000+ of them are Outline Articles?Shep 10:49, 16 April 2009 (EDT)

Categories like "guide articles" or "star articles" are pretty straightforwardly useful, since they allow us to quickly find our best articles. The "outline articles" category isn't useful by itself, but it is nice to have the number relative to the number of usables and guides to track the development of the site—hopefully someday we will have more usables than outlines. The article statuses are useful for a couple more reasons: 1) motivating contributors to improve articles, 2) showing contributors what our standards are, and how to get an article up to those standards, and 3) helping readers understand whether they are reading a new, undeveloped article, or one that really meets the standards the site is aiming to provide. --Peter Talk 16:58, 16 April 2009 (EDT)


What's the rationale behind redirecting Rosemont? Though it does enormous business as the O'Hare Hotel City, it's also got two significant concert venues in the All-State Arena (aka Rosemont Horizon) and the Rosemont Theatre, and the Donald E. Stephens Convention Center is probably second only to McCormick Place on the Chicago-area convention circuit. I believe there's a push to put some casinos there, too. Gorilla Jones 23:49, 16 April 2009 (EDT)

source of photos

Peter, I want to know what are the rules for photos?, I´m too young for knowing all of this, I need someone who can explain me all of this. About the photos, my cousin has a group of voyagers that took some of those photos and put them by public domain in internet. The photos about Guayaquil and Ecuador are provided by the Cámara de Turismo del Guayas.Daniel 15:36, 17 April 2009 (EDT)

Move license discussion

If you want me to comment in a certain place, it would be wise for us to move the entire discussion and place a pointer in the "Archive" section of the pub that shows where the license discussion is taking place to prevent redundancy, no? I doubt you're going to tell everyone who comments on the topic in the pub to comment on shared, so it seems far simpler to just move the discussion. -- Sapphire(Talk) • 20:35, 19 April 2009 (EDT)

St David's

Hi Peter. I see you list St David's (Good Country Pub) as a favorite. Just to point out that the photo is missing from that page.Shep 01:50, 20 April 2009 (EDT)

The photo of the pub? I wish I had one—I didn't have a camera with me when I was there! --Peter Talk 12:43, 20 April 2009 (EDT)

Expert editors

Hi Peter,

Just wanted to let you know we have re-begun sponsoring local experts. Each editor's profile page will state that they have been supported by us. Let me know if there's anything else to ensure so were are always sticking to guidelines here... HotelsCombined 03:13, 20 April 2009 (EDT)

Subnet blocks?

Is it possible to block ranges of anonymous users? Say, 91.108.*.* for a few hours, instead of picking them off one by one? - Dguillaime 14:34, 20 April 2009 (EDT)

Unfortunately sysops here don't have that sort of functionality. Presumably someone on the tech team would, but they're usually non-responsive. Might try sending one of them an email? --Peter Talk 14:36, 20 April 2009 (EDT)


Bummer about the North Lincoln closures — thanks for catching those. I'll scout up a couple of replacements. Gorilla Jones 22:41, 22 April 2009 (EDT)


Dear Peter,

wikitravel suggested to do this! Other hotels are doing the same! We just link our hotels to the accommodation part.



rome/Campo Marzio-Parioli-Salario

Peter, The name Campo Marzio-Parioli-Salario is a dreadful mouthful and looks odd when inserted into text to indicate where places are. What is wrong with "North Rome"?Shep 10:58, 23 April 2009 (EDT)

The problem with "North Rome" is that we already have a Rome/North. If you have any better ideas of how to name the district (maybe North Center?), or a better idea of how to organize the neighborhoods, please take a look over the discussions at Talk:Rome/Districts, and feel free to open a "round IV" with suggestions of how to improve the districts hierarchy. --Peter Talk 12:14, 23 April 2009 (EDT)


Hey, Peter, do you think this is Gamweb choosing to vanish? Or is it vandalism? If I knew what "nli" meant... LtPowers 11:04, 25 April 2009 (EDT)


Thanks, I'm curious myself as well what it will look like in the end=) Globe-trotter 19:06, 26 April 2009 (EDT)

Russian phrasebook

Питер, вы написали "Russian verbs and verb conjugation differ along four axes", но перечислили только три из них. Что вы понимаете под четвёртой осью? Я думаю, что это возвратные (reflexive verb -- глаголы, окачивающиеся на "-ся" или "-сь") и невозвратные глаголы. Это так?

Что вы ещё считаете важным рассказать в разделе грамматики (я бы помог вам)? -- Sergey kudryavtsev 05:41, 27 April 2009 (EDT)

Four axes – это просто ошибка. Информация о возвратных глаголах, не совсем нужна. Я бы считал, что больше о грамматике не нужно, так как это только разговорник, а не самоучитель. Может быть у нас уже слишком много там информаций! --Peter Talk 05:46, 27 April 2009 (EDT)

large chunks of rome deleted and silly bits inserted

Peter, hope I managed to rescue it but you are more skilled in these matters than I. Please take a look.Shep 10:25, 28 April 2009 (EDT)

Got it, thanks! The most certain way of cleaning up nonsense is to go into the history, click on the last good version, click edit, and save. That (a hard revert) will without fail undo any changes made later than that version. --Peter Talk 17:22, 28 April 2009 (EDT)

Second attempt to contact You regarding unauthorised use of my photograph


I requested that someone from Wikitravel contact me to provide me information to who I have to send invoice for usage of my photograph. Photograph is now erased from your site, but it does not relieve you from obligation to pay for several years of its usage.

As I said in my complaint, i request you to pay, because you used image without my knowledge and without my approval. By law I have every right for compensation from You.

I received no response regarding this issue. You removed image (which means you received my complaint), but that does not relieve you form obligation towards me.

Regardless you removed image from your site, i still have documentation that proves that you used it, and what period of time it was used on your site. I am not willing to protect my rights by court order unless you force me to do it. If you continue to ingore my request, then I will be forced to ask fro my rights via court that would cost you much more than fair compensation I ask for. It is best interest for You and me to settle this manner out of court.

You may contact me via my blog contact page at [5]

Predrag Supurovic

I take it you read my message for you, then.
The notion that you have a right for compensation from me is quite a bold assertion. I did not upload your photo, I had not seen your photo, I had not edited the page it was on, I do not "own" the site on which it was hosted, nor was I even aware of Wikitravel's existence at the time it was uploaded. I do, however, welcome you to file a lawsuit against me—I'm confident you would lose said lawsuit, and I would like the legal precedent that it would set. I will be blunt, I think it very unlikely that you are going to get the compensation you are after—I really have no idea how you would be able to.
In any rate, I am sorry that your copyright was violated. It's something that Wikitravel contributors try to prevent from happening, but given the nature of this open project, it does occasionally get by unnoticed. --Peter Talk 16:52, 28 April 2009 (EDT)

Top Level Tour problem

Hi Peter, since wikitravel welcome business owners and my friends' agency do offer those services I don't why I can't mention them? Also some iterms have no contact information and travelers can contact the agency for those services so I think it is okay to leave the agency's contact information. What do you think? Or tell me what to do about editing the page? Thanks. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talkcontribs)

You have already been told why you cannot: Wikitravel:Activity listings#Tour listings. It's as simple as that (although you were violating other policies as well). If you want to discuss this further, in a serious manner, do so here. You've drummed this tired can of spam enough, and I will revert any further edits you make to this page. --Peter Talk 21:56, 28 April 2009 (EDT)

Multiple Articles Apply

Hello Peter-

I did not see your earlier post, I was confused but based on the listings requirements. We run out of all the locations I posted. We have 3 Offices in different cities and 6 camp spots that are located in each of the sections I posted. How do you manage those who have a business that expand multiple articles and sections. I was not trying to tout but based on the linking requirement and standards I was abiding by all of them. Thanks kwik517.

Thanks, Offices=Staging Locations. We call them offices these are the places where people check in and get fitted for there equipment. We have several outfitting locations as well as different overnight facilities where travelers stay and leave equipment. It is general to the region the Arkansas river has many attractions that don't fall into a city. It is the region. With all the locations we work out of and it is important for travelers to know, I think it is relevant to each section? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kwik517 (talkcontribs)

Coming soon to an index near you...

"Dubious mattresses"! Gorilla Jones 00:11, 30 April 2009 (EDT)

That was no accident ;) --Peter Talk 00:21, 30 April 2009 (EDT)

Regarding the Swine Flu in the United Staes.

What's your problem pal? That MSNBC article clearly states that the European Unions top health officials have advised their population from traveling to the United States. Schools being shut down, the United States has experienced its first death attributed to swine flu, the people who are interested in traveling to the United States need to be informed that the country is currently enduring an epidemic. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talkcontribs)

My problem is that you are edit warring, rather than seeking consensus. I couldn't care any less about your pet project. --Peter Talk 02:13, 30 April 2009 (EDT)

"LUXEMBOURG - The top EU health official urged Europeans on Monday to postpone nonessential travel to parts of the United States and Mexico because of the swine flu virus, and Spanish health officials confirmed the first case outside North America." That sounds like some pretty general consensus to me. If the top EU official is advising against travel to the United States, I'd go with his word instead of yours.

See Wikitravel:Consensus. Enlighten me, what words have I offered? I await your response in hopes of learning what I think.
Also, you can sign your comments by adding four tildes (~~~~) to the end. --Peter Talk 02:34, 30 April 2009 (EDT)

Tampa hotel listings

I submitted the same information for InterContinental Tampa as is included for the other hotels listed and it was deleted. Can you please let me know what was incorrect about the addition that caused it to be deleted. Thank you! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talkcontribs)

We don't need comprehensive lists of hotels, as we aim to be a travel guide, not a yellow pages. Most of the listings in the Tampa article are worthless, with no descriptions, no pricing information, etc., but they are what's left after I spent some good time trimming that list (it was way too long). The listing you added was not any worse than the others in the article, but it was still worthless, and I don't want to see that list grow pointlessly. The fact that Intercontinental Hotels Group is Wikitravel's most prolific spammer, makes me extra inclined to remove listings added by their agents. If you'd like to see such a listing stay, make sure to include exact price ranges, as well as a description that does not violate Wikitravel:Don't tout (no promotional language!), and which conveys what is unique about your hotel.
In short, if your quality of your listing is better than the others in the article, it will be the least likely to get deleted. --Peter Talk 17:03, 1 May 2009 (EDT)

Ok, thanks Peter. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talkcontribs)

Mauritius attractions

Dear Peter,

I was very surprised to receive your second message. Please note that I fully understand and 100% agree that the first text I edited and uploaded to Wikitravel was subjective and you had a very good reason to delete it.

With that, the second text I edited (please find it here below), is a descriptive text which refers to the attractions and excursions currently offered to visitors of Mauritius. I made sure to include all the activities currently available in Mauritius.

The main intention was to provide a full list of activities, so readers of the Wikitravel website will have the knowledge and the freedom to choose the activities they want to do the most.

The only connection to an individual business was made in a separate section of the text, at the very end of the text, in the form of an external link.

Accordingly, I really hope you will approve this text, so it will appear on the Wikitravel website.

If not, I will happy to receive some pointers on the required changes in order to approve it.

With best regards, Thank you in advance, Uri Cypin —The preceding unsigned comment was added by BorninMauritius (talkcontribs)

Hi Peter. I have read the article. Now it is 100% clear. sorry for the hassle. Thank you. Wishing you a great day. Uri. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by BorninMauritius (talkcontribs)

Biggie54 response

I apologize for making you go through all that work. I realize when I went back through and read your notes that I was touting, and that was absolutely not my intention, as I just was wanting to put all the information I could in the listings. I wanted to add value to the pages. I am taking your suggestions into consideration, and will alter the language so it is not touting. Other than that, please let me know if you have any suggestions regarding any information that I add. Thank you. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Biggie54 (talkcontribs)

Awesome, thanks Peter. I appreciate your help and would love to hear your feedback whenever you have any. The last thing I want to be doing is spamming this site. (Biggie54 18:58, 8 May 2009 (EDT))


Hi Peter,

Can you have a look at Sukhum... You appear to have redirected it to itself, thus creating an infinite loop of recursion! (This history reads: 23:09, 3 April 2009 Peterfitzgerald (Talk | contribs) m (20 bytes) (Redirecting to Sukhum) )

Cheers! Nrms 00:38, 10 May 2009 (EDT)

Oops! Fixed. --Peter Talk 00:40, 10 May 2009 (EDT)

Hi there peter

Hi Peter,

I know it's quite late in doing this, but I wanted to apologize for the way I had acted months ago. I understand your frustration with me and appreciate your initial patience with me. I am completely sorry to have drug out a bunch of stuff around February. I know it wasn't just me, I know, but as you know it was mainly a me-you thing.

I know after the long mess that had occured, it is truly hard to forgive someone, I would probably still be furious at you, but I'm not.

Quite frankly, I think it was just a problem of you or I doing something, then the other person doing something and it escalating. You and I were just at each others throats. Sometimes I started it, others you, but you know it's crazy how much stuff happened from November to February and I don't even think I remember how the fuss between us (and other members) even started in the first place.

I want to applaud you and others for sticking to your guns so to speak. I really appreciate all the work you've done to the site - even just looking at the maps you've done - amazing work. Most of wikitravel's articles would be much less in quality if it hadn't been for your work on Chicago. That must've taken a lot of energy. I know by doing just probably a fraction of that in Edmonton.

Anyways, what I was really wondering was if you'd forgive me, and that we can just move on. No grudges, no nothing. What is done is done.

I may pop in from time to time to edit some articles, and what not on Wikitravel now, but don't worry I'll stay out of your hairs So to speak. Thanks for reading.


Chicago/Southwest Side buy listings

hi peter,

i noticed you took off my listing for the video strip shop in chicago's southwest side. I actually do shop for videos when traveling to keep the kids busy when we are indoors and i think its more important than the listing already showing for "western wear" and "fake puke." The shop even delivered to us which made it very easy on us. When we did go there the owner actually gave us a bunch of places to take the kids this weekend.

i did use this site while searching for things to do but noticed there isn't anything mentioned for the southwest side which we are staying. Please do add more things on here for kid oriented entertainment. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talkcontribs)

Fair enough, lets continue this discussion here.

The guy from Ecuador

Hi, i was trying to give you a message but something with a spam filter happened, and I don't know what it is, but the message was that I wanted to appollogize for the problems that I could have given you. I am too young, I know, but I just wanted to help in developing my beautiful country on internet. Almost evereybody here in Ecuador is not interested on this. I want to know if later on I could upload photos(but first reviewing the rules) for giving a greater appereance to the articles about Ecuador and sorry for not responding to the firsts messages that you gave me, I didn't know what to say. Sorry if I gave you problems. --Daniel Samaniego 12 May, 2009.