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Travelling to countries which do not respect human rights

Hey man, I'd also like to see some countries which run an apartheid system for women (like Saudi Arabia), feature the imprisonment of homosexuals (like Abu Dhabi and Dubai) and public executions (like, uhm, Saudi). Where else do you recommend? Is North Korea quite good for this sort of thing? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Spark (talkcontribs)

Wikitravel is a travel guide that aims to document the planet, good and bad. Choosing where to go is up to you. Jpatokal 02:05, 2 April 2008 (EDT)

Regarding Comments to MSG

Dear Jpatokal,

I have personally experienced many problems with MSG which is why I was trying to warn others.

However I apologize for changing your statement, I will leave things as they are for the time being and hope that will be an end to the matter.

Good luck and thanks for your work on here.

Edits to Abu Dhabi and Saudi

Why you changing these? YOU try and bring Police Academy 4 into Saudi Arabi and see what happens.

Just created a new article (Chumphon (province))

What happened to the information i just edited on the Chumphon (province) article? I just created a new article and uploaded the related information, but someone has edited through my information again

Local spam blacklist - numbers

Please see Wikitravel talk:Local spam blacklist#Time to remove the numbers? - thanks. ~ 08:56, 30 January 2008 (EST)

another question in Talk:Copyleft

Just to make sure you didn't miss my another question in shared:Talk:Copyleft. Thanks. --DenisYurkin 05:00, 1 February 2008 (EST)

And another one added today. Thanks again. --DenisYurkin 05:46, 9 February 2008 (EST)

Excuse me Sir?

Hello I'am new here and i would like to contribute to wikitravel i have no expierce in traveling anywhere in the world except 3 states i dont remember much except a few stores and sleeping locations but i have a delima i have no references at my apartment just the internet and would like to know some free info from the web i can use to start an article i know some towns and would like to help accomidations i can find if directed thank you very much sir for your time. --Thehighlands 00:01, 12 February 2008 (EST) how i'am doing so far jpatokal? --Thehighlands 03:39, 12 February 2008 (EST)


Hi jpatokal. Thanks for the email. No worries, faults all around and all that. We all care about our views and what hope is there for us mortals when even the gods are not immune to passion! --Wandering 18:04, 18 February 2008 (EST)

All anons are blocked?

Just tried to make an anonymous edit and it said I was blocked. It gave an IP of and said CJensen was the blocker with a block number of 277. Not my IP and the block log looks like Peter Fitzgerald blocked that IP. Is it blocking all anons? -- OldPine 07:43, 21 February 2008 (EST)

(Answering self) How the heck should I know, OldPine? Why do you ask me stuff I have no idea about? -- OldPine 09:12, 21 February 2008 (EST)
Uh oh. Peter here, I just logged out to test this. It seems that all anons are turning up as this one 172 anon. Yikes! I blocked 172 & unwittingly reverted every single anon change made yesterday, on the belief that it was a vandal! What the heck is going on? -- 14:42, 21 February 2008 (EST)


Could you give your opinion on this suggestion of moving Mongolia from East Asia to Central Asia. Thanks! Texugo 06:31, 17 March 2008 (EDT)

Page protection

In what format does on specify the Expiry time for protection? I've never had the need to do it before --Nick 07:38, 18 March 2008 (EDT)

Added consulate information on Bandung page

Hi Jpatokal, i have added the consulate info on the Contact section. Please feel free to edit if you think necessary. The source of this information if from Indonesian department of foreign affairs website Hkurniawan 08:44, 19 March 2008 (EDT)


Hi Jpatokal, thank you for the welcome :) Jamboo 05:21, 21 March 2008 (EDT)


Hi! I hope, you remember me. I'm Dorgan, from hu.wikitravel. And I have a bot. I want to run my bot in hungarian wikitravel, but I've got a problem. The bot works with hu:Special:Allmessages. But the translation file is wrong, and when I open this page, I get the hu:Special:Prefixindex page. You can see: Prefixindex is the same as Allmessages. What can I do now? And my other question is: can I, or how can I or anybody get the bureaucrat-flag in hu.wikitravel? Thanks for your attention! Regards, Dorgan 13:22, 21 March 2008 (EDT)

Oh, sorry, I'm wrong. hu:Special:Allpages and hu:Special:Prefixindex is the same...... :). And the bot works with allpages too. Dorgan 05:24, 22 March 2008 (EDT)

Unfortunatelly the problem is still there. If you get hu:Special:Allpages and en:Special:Allpages you can see the difference between the two pages. The translation problem is in the MessagesHu.php in the wikitravel server. And the bot couldn't work with the wrong hu:Special:Allpages. The MessagesHu.php should be up to date. Dorgan 14:21, 22 March 2008 (EDT)

Please, see: [1] and [2] : it's a translation error. Dorgan 06:17, 23 March 2008 (EDT)

nearest attractions again

Jani, sorry for bothering--but I'd like to come to some sort of consensus in Wikitravel talk:Accommodation listings#nearest attractions. As you changed the meaning [3] of my original template, could you reply in [4] where we started discussing it? --DenisYurkin 11:13, 22 March 2008 (EDT)


You might want to check on Viborg. Woodstock 08:04, 25 March 2008 (EDT)

Another vandel - and chickenpast. Woodstock 12:31, 26 March 2008 (EDT)

Maps and OSM

Hi. Thanks for the comments. I've actually logged on to OSM already, but I couldn't figure out how to use it. It all seems to be about using GPS Traces (whatever they are), and I can't figure out how to make maps there any other way. Am I missing something? --The.Q(t)(c) 12:24, 27 March 2008 (EDT)

Yep, I found the various interfaces so confusing and cumbersome that I wasn't able to make some basic corrections to a few rural roads in Colorado (hoping to use the OSM map as a background for a map to the Comanche National Grasslands). I too found it over my head. --Peter Talk 13:58, 27 March 2008 (EDT)
It is easy, just open your webbrowser on Create an account. Open the index "edit", then you have all roads laid out with red dots(nodes). to begin with press "play" instead of "start". Try marking on of the roads, I now see that there are a lot of auto-generated data from something called "tiger", in the bottom you can add tags by pressing "+" e.g. "name". You can lay out a new road by just drawing it. for help on how to add nodes, join roads, creating areas and so forth look at online editor help. /Johan Jönsson 12:12, 30 March 2008 (EDT)

about Wikitravel Chinese

Hi, recently we have problems that somebody from has deleted the pages and wrote the "Fxxx" and so on instead. I think if we need at least one Chinese-speaking administrator to coordinate everything, or at least to protect the frameworks. How do you think about that? Thank you! --biobeyond

Will, even though I have not many time (I'm a student), I can have a try to be a administrator. I'm from China, I live in France, I speak chinese, french and english. AdrienChen 18:53, 22 April 2008 (EDT)


Thanks for the info! That was actually my first contribution, and I guess I should have read up more on external links. Thanks for saving my other contributions from deletion! --Claymander 21:56, 10 April 2008 (EDT)


If you have a moment, please share your opinion at Talk:Thailand. Thank you! Texugo 05:38, 23 April 2008 (EDT)

Hi there

Thanks for the welcome. I'll look to add some more info to some places I'm familiar with, and add some more currency pics ( I always like being able to see an example of the countries currency.) Tarcus 00:52, 27 April 2008 (EDT)

Translation "De Morgen"

This is the text you wanted traslated to Enlish:

Always the most resent travel information.

Who wants to seekup something about a town or destination has to 'go wikitravel' these days. This travelsite contains more than 30,000 guides which every day, sometimes every hour, are being updated. From now you also can order on line certain travel guides by Wikitravel Press. The best guides are being selected to be checked and polished by local writers. When the surfer orders a guide, will this be printed specially and 'Hot of the Press' and within a view days delivered at home. Result: a very resent travel guide with without any doubt the latest news about the destination. No restaurants or bars who no more exist or has chanced its name. You can deliver feedback on your travel guide what is put on line within one month. Price 12,07 euro a guide and 4,99 euro for delivery to Europe.

Grietings ----Rein N. 11:28, 27 April 2008 (EDT)


You are likely one of the most traveled on WT and a young fellow to boot. You may have thought of this, but you may want to consider buying some mylar flips and picking up the best "undamaged" coins you can afford to stick away from the countries you visit. When you get to be an old fart like me, they likely will have some value. The silver and gold ones will be the most scarce. Just a thought. [[5]] 2old 16:26, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

Naoshima & thanks for welcome

I hope you can make it to Naoshima when you finally get to Japan. It's a beautiful island. Thanks for supporting my work. It would be lovely to get OTBP for that place - it could certainly do with the attention now, before the travel guides get a hold of the place. Deconstruct 06:01, 3 May 2008 (EDT)

Reverted Australia edits

You just reverted ALL my edits to Australia. Please tell me what precisely was wrong with those edits you reverted (ie all of them.) Long winded discussion about vegemite I do not think really help a traveller too much. What about Wikitravel:Plunge forward? I'm only trying to make a better article. 02:24, 4 May 2008 (EDT)

Well I will comment here. Problem is you reverted ALL edits. Much of what I removed was quite silly, and misleading information. I have done another set of edits now, as they were previously discussed of the talk page of Australia. Please do not simply do another indiscriminate REVERT ALL this time. I have not yet got an account but will do so. 16:14, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

OpenStreetMap conversion

I like what you have done at Wikitravel_talk:How_to_draw_a_map#OpenStreetMap. Any progress on that? I've been working on something simular, but without the complete automation; we still have to add our symbols manually to the map (OSM data for South Africa and many other areas of the work is still very limited). Details are at User:NJR_ZA/osm2svg. Maybe we can share code/ideas to improve both efforts? --Nick 18:55, 6 May 2008 (EDT)

Thanks, I'll have a look at Mark's code --Nick 13:32, 8 May 2008 (EDT)

Svalbard Pages

Hi there, it seems like you are pretty much the only person on here who writes up the Svalbard articles? I was wondering if you would like to collaborate on expanding them, perhaps by adding some pictures and updating the Barentsburg and Ny Alesund articles.

Help please

Some anonymous user has gone and changed the Singapre money pic summary to say some thing that I need to get approval for it's use from the Monetary Authority. I am of the opinion that this being Wikitravel it shouldn't really matter (the whole concept is sort of violated if we have to suck up to some bureaucrat for approval for everything) and they should get a user name or stop meddling. I will revert it now, if otherwise just say. Tarcus 02:48, 23 May 2008 (EDT)


Love bedroom gymnastics – cacahuate talk 12:19, 30 May 2008 (EDT)

Thanx for welcome but what do you mean by "deep links?"

Hi there,

Do you mean not to make too many links to visitkorea.or? Or do you mean not to make links to that site if it's already on the city page? Because there's a lot of good, relevant and up to date info on that site. I've been living here for a while and it's a good source I admittedly haven't used that much. However since I've started writing on this article I've found it to be incredibly helpful.

  • I did check out the external links section. In fact, I've gone through most of your "help" pages and your policy on Wikitravel:External Links say that I should link to official government sites or official tourist offices (if to a minimum) which is. Check out the domain.
  • Besides, at the moment I'm only working on the national page. Eventually I'll get working on the city pages where I will perhaps not need those links.
  • But what if that's the only place they have the information and I am able to place a direct link? Should I not refer to it? Or are you suggesting I omit information just so I can avoid making an external link?
  • By the way I also notice that some edits are done to the SKorean page however the history is not visible. For example the separate sections on the national page such as "Getting In/By boat." Why is that?
  • It is also stated in the external links page that links to non-English sites are not to be made. However there are many on the SKorean page. Should they not be removed?


Take a look at Wikitravel:How to create a map. Jpatokal 11:12, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

That looks good. I'll give it a go --Nick 01:57, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

External Links

You are giving me some contradictory information. Please clarify. On the second paragraph of your most recent response you say that, "Any important information should be right here in Wikitravel, not behind an external link." There are hundreds of external links to very important information (tourist attractions, museums, district offices, tourist organization, etc.) that have not been written out on Wikitravel's pages nor need they be and according to the guidelines is perfectly acceptable.

If an address is no longer valid then it is up to us Wikitravellers to update it, right? Looks to me like Wikitravel is mainly an online endeavor. And I find it unreasonable to ask contributors to write out redundant and tedious information that can best be explained with an external link. If it wasn't then the policy on external links would read: No External Links

Has it? Well, then I'm glad to be of help.

Normally when I look at the history for a certain section on an article, edit history shows up for that particular section. However when I checked the edit history for the "By Boat" under the "Getting In" section for SKorea it didn't go to that section nor did it show the changes. I don't know perhaps I'll need to go further back. That part always gives me trouble.Milo 03:01, 10 June 2008 (EDT)Hmmm. That's not my name. It's me, Paula.


That's helpful.


Hey Jpatokal need help with how to create a travel guide if you give me a assignment i will do it for you and the project also peter fitzgerald has gone on a deletion spree when there was sleep added. just thought you might want to look into this thanks. -- 10:15, 24 June 2008 (EDT)


Hi! Yes, I'll try to update as much as I can in the next week(s), the restaurants and bars are my next victim. There's also nothing about shopping - shocking! And by the way, is this the way I am supposed to answer to comments on my profile page? Cheers, now let's go to the sun and see how things are going outside the computer bunker.


Thanks for the welcome. I won't be able to contribute regularly though; I'm really busy with exams at the moment. Upamanyuwikitravel( Talk )( Travel ) • 03:13, 30 June 2008 (EDT)

Rail travel in India

Hi, check out the page. What do you think of it? — SBC-YPR 14:12, 12 July 2008 (EDT)

Problem on Alexandria page

hay, I was working on Alexandria page ( in Egypt ) but after a week of work I found that you restored very old version, I really don't know why so please if there is any reason for that please tell me

User talk:Doaa Ashour Jpatokal 03:36, 13 July 2008 (EDT)

Mr. Jani Patokallio, you continually undo every edit I make, no matter how simple and obviously correct it is. YOUR bit on Singapore is quite inaccurate. I have tried to make positive and accurate contributions to the Singapore article. I will keep trying to place accurate and useful information in the article.

Wikitravel Press Link

Hey Jani - the link used on the front page of Wikitravel and in several places on the Wikitravel Press site is giving a 404. I'm not sure if that's something on your end or on Lulu's side, but it may be hurting your plans for world domination :) -- Ryan • (talk) • 16:45, 3 August 2008 (EDT)

Thanks for your support.

I'm Mike (zh:User:Minkepanhu) from Wikitravel Chinese. Thanks for leaving me an encouraging message. I'd like to help Chinese version of Wikitravel become as great as here. 謝謝! --Mikepanhu 16:04, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

Admin nomination

Hey, I just nominated User:LtPowers for sysop status. I'd appreciate it if you would comment here. Thanks! --Peter Talk 19:01, 17 August 2008 (EDT)

Need batteries?

I always look forward to your new photo's. Whats up? 2old 15:07, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

re: Discover

Thanks for the tip. I changed the entry. Does it meet your specifications? --Matt Talk 11:19, 25 August 2008 (EDT)

Thank you for your patient understanding of my poor reading of the guidelines... my apologies. --Matt Talk 14:28, 25 August 2008 (EDT)


this is not working for days

-- —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talkcontribs)

It looks like a database error page got cached in place of the actual page. It's fixed now. -- Ryan • (talk) • 23:24, 30 August 2008 (EDT)


Feel like flipping a switch? – cacahuate talk 03:01, 1 September 2008 (EDT)

Wikitravel:How to create a map

Hi, about a month ago or so wtp-maps was updated to use the settings from instead of Makefile. At the same time you seem to have changed it to download the map data directly from OSM using something called a "border way", instead of using data from a data.osm file. What are border ways and do all cities have them? Is there a way to use data.osm instead?

Thanks. --Aqwis 11:02, 5 September 2008 (EDT)