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Great work on Inuyama and more, keep it up! Jpatokal 10:13, 19 October 2006 (EDT)
The Uji article is great — you make it sound so interesting that I'll have to pop in for a visit next time I'm in town! I've bumped it up one more level to "guide". Jpatokal 03:07, 17 November 2006 (EST)



Could I ask you to upload this image Wikipedia:Image:Deadwood_today.jpg to Wikitravel licensed under CC-by-SA 1.0? Thanks. -- Sapphire 18:08, 9 November 2006 (EST)

Any chance that you happen to have a few extra Deadwood images? I think I might be able to make Deadwood into a very useful guide by Monday, but images would sure be a great means to the end. -- Sapphire 13:39, 10 November 2006 (EST)


The ceremonial dance is a very good picture, but IMHO the torii is more 'iconic' and instantly recognizable -- how about swapping the places of the two? Jpatokal 00:53, 9 January 2007 (EST)

Compromise -- I snarfed a pretty shocking crimson torii pic from Wikipedia and used it as the intro pic. Jpatokal 01:23, 9 January 2007 (EST)

People in photos

Do you think this photo is usable under the Shared:Image policy? Gorilla Jones 12:10, 22 February 2007 (EST)

Yes, because no one is identifiable. Thanks for the Trans-Siberian images - I've been making use of them on de:Transsibirische Eisenbahn. -- Sapphire(Talk) • 17:37, 22 February 2007 (EST)
Thanks! Gorilla Jones 20:57, 22 February 2007 (EST)


大阪の観光ガイドの記事の冒頭があまりにも恣意的です。なぜ一番最初に「Tokyo」が出てくるのでしょうか? 素直に、普通に、都市の説明を書けば良いだけのことを、なぜ大阪の記事に関しては、冒頭から根拠無き地域比較になっているのでしょうか。なにを印象操作しようとしているのでしょうか? しかも、こんな書き方をしているのは、大阪の記事だけですよね。荒らしですよ。

Kyoto_splurge - Wikitravel

Thank you, you corrected my sentences. (^^)

by 09:35, 2 March 2007 (JST)

You're welcome! Thank you for adding that information. It's great to have more hotels in the Kyoto article. Gorilla Jones 20:00, 1 March 2007 (EST)

Myer Centre

Thanks for appreciating it! I figured only a couple people would even know what I was talking about, but... that guy kills me  ;) – cacahuate talk 00:32, 12 May 2007 (EDT)

I told Cacahuate I was buying him a beer for that! Next year, we might just want Cacahuate to write the April Fool's Joke. I'm still laughing about "Charon, on a good day". -- Sapphire(Talk) • 04:46, 12 May 2007 (EDT)


Still that bad, huh? Sounds like things have only gotten worse since I wrote the first draft of that three years ago... Jpatokal 02:10, 8 June 2007 (EDT)

I was disappointed that the guy from the talk page never reappeared with his "Up With Poipet" draft. That would have been something to read. Needless to say, I'm taking the airplane next time. Gorilla Jones 16:34, 8 June 2007 (EDT)


I'm tired of clicking "patrolled" for every single one of your edits, so I've nominated you as administrator. =) Sign up if interested, or decline if not. Jpatokal 23:07, 11 June 2007 (EDT)

Namche Bazaar

Hey, thanks for adding the photo of Namche. It is great and clearly shows the geography and lay out of the village. I had previously made a few sojourns into Flickr, but was unable to find anything suitable, so I particularly appreciate your efforts. By the way, congrats on being nominated for admin. I think you'll be a great asset to the team. WindHorse 19:47, 13 June 2007 (EDT)

What is...

an Afghan Whig? -- Sapphire(Talk) • 17:34, 14 June 2007 (EDT)

One of my favorite bands, originally from Cincinnati. [1] Gorilla Jones 17:42, 14 June 2007 (EDT)


Thank you for doing all the clean-up on the Peoria article! (It was my first try; I was the anon adder!) Eyebrows McGee

To be quite honest I had a killer headache that afternoon and was avoiding work. :) Plus I'm annoyed by locals who think Peoria isn't fun. Maybe as a transplant I have a different vision! Eyebrows McGee

South Side Stars

Thanks for the offer! I can't think of anything right now, but things may come up. One thing I definitely could use some help with though is the formatting on the Chicago/Bridgeport-Chinatown page. For some reason the edit button for the Buy section edits the Understand section and "Pui Tak" in the see section insists on being randomly indented. Do you have any idea what's going on here? --Peter Talk 14:19, 23 June 2007 (EDT)

I'm finally feeling like trying out the star nomination process, and I am thinking of starting with Chicago/South Chicago Shore. The one thing that I would like to do that is easier to do from Chicago is to call the four hotels that have no price information to try and fill out more of the template (definitely to get a price range on a double and some sort of blurb information). There is zero information on the web and I'd rather not fork out the long-distance charges for this, so—only if this suits your fancy—would you mind making the calls? I imagine that the call to the "Climax Motel" by 67th & Skyway would be an interesting one! The Chicago/Bronzeville article has a lot of hotels with no information available, but I wouldn't ask you to do that because it looks like a significantly bigger job. --Peter Talk 01:39, 27 June 2007 (EDT)
I'm genuinely disappointed to hear that your call to the Climax Motel was so, well, anti-climactic... Thanks so much for helping out with this, it added a lot of polish to the two articles. Now I just need to see if I can drum up at least one more hotel for Chicago/Bridgeport-Chinatown, then I think a little clean up and we can nominate the three of them for star status. I've also got a massive edit in the pipelines for Chicago/Far Southeast Side, which I might get in tonight, provided my insomnia continues ;) --Peter Talk 22:05, 27 June 2007 (EDT)

Quebec copyvios

Hey, so, could you check that those Quebec copyvios weren't put there intentionally by a representative of Quebec? The links suggest that there was some official action. I'd hate to discourage a tourism official from contributing. --Evan 22:22, 27 June 2007 (EDT)

I checked a few and found the same text on some tourism websites and the official government site. For example, or this too. Should I leave a note on the IP's talk page asking if they're a representative of the government and are hereby licensing the text as CC-by-SA? Gorilla Jones 22:32, 27 June 2007 (EDT)
Yeah, that'd be great. It might also be good to contact directly. I can do it if you don't want to. --Evan 23:21, 27 June 2007 (EDT)
OK. I'll write the talk page if you'll contact the government. Gorilla Jones 23:39, 27 June 2007 (EDT)

Chicago photos

Yeah at first glance I thought it was stuffed, but no, that is just one huge deep dish pie! Unfortunately there are no satisfactory Chicago hot dog pictures around. I guess I'll have to photograph it myself (and confuse some vendor) when I get back. Man, nothing makes me miss the place like thinking about stuffed pizza—I actually lived right across the street from the Hyde Park Giordano's last year... --Peter Talk 19:52, 1 July 2007 (EDT)


As it is on Balbo Dr, it is above the community area's southern boundary on Rossevelt Ave. I think the section of town it is in is usually referred to as "South Loop," which we have kept in the Loop article. This section of town is often referred to as the Near South, though, so if you think we should adjust district boundaries, I wouldn't necessarily be opposed. --Peter Talk 17:34, 6 July 2007 (EDT)

Nope, not opposed, seems like a good idea to me. The character of the neighborhood really changes dramatically after going under the L on Balbo. I suppose we could keep the name Near South, but note in the intro that it includes the "eclectic South Loop" neighborhood? Oh and don't worry about the megalomania—it's the only reason why any of us are here. All my work on Chicago has really been an experiment to see whether I can introduce "South Chicago Shore" into the public vocabulary. --Peter Talk 01:35, 1 August 2007 (EDT)
Ah, I finally made enough weird translations of policies and templates on :ru to galvanize a few good (and linguistically offended) Russians into action, hence I have a bit of time to work on good old :en tonight.
Sure, Harrison works just fine. My only real concern is to preserve the loop L map (it was tough getting all those different L lines to line up like that). One trick to the new division is that Grant Park will now be split across guides—I'm not sure how to deal with that. That sort of overlap usually something we try hard to avoid, but I still think the benefits outweigh the costs of this new district division. In addition to giving us something to write about in the Near South, it will allow us to focus properly on what's left of the Loop. I'll see what I can do with the maps tonight, before I leave tomorrow for an extended beach vacation. Looking forward to the Near North/South stars! --Peter Talk 21:54, 2 August 2007 (EDT)
OK, I do have the most recent SVGs for the Loop and Near South, but these map changes are actually a pretty big deal. Next time I map a city, I'm going to just take snapshots off of one giant city map for districts, so that I have more leeway to change district borders. Needless to say, though, my perfectionist streak won't allow me to let this go. I should be able to get everything done on the central Chicago maps by next weekend, if I put my mind to it, except perhaps listings, which I don't really want to tackle unless we feel certain that the article's listings are really complete. I'm guessing that right now the Near North is the only one fitting this bill? --Peter Talk 04:51, 3 August 2007 (EDT)

Along the Magnificent Mile

Just had to exclaim, "Nice job!" OldPine 22:49, 6 July 2007 (EDT)

Thanks! Gorilla Jones 14:18, 8 July 2007 (EDT)

More Chicago material

Nice work tonight on the Chicago/Near North article! Whenever you are feeling done-ish with it, let me know and I'll try and update the map to cover any new listings. You've probably noticed that I have been hard at work tonight on my rather experimental User:Peterfitzgerald/Chicago skyline guide—if you have any suggestions, criticism, advice, etc., I would appreciate it. I still need to write the understand section, with which I am straining to avoid overlap with the Chicago#Architecture piece, but aside from that I'm starting to feel like it might be ready to move out of my userspace. --Peter Talk 00:42, 11 July 2007 (EDT)

Cool, I'll hit the map when I get back on Monday from relaxing in the Adirondacks. --Peter Talk 00:30, 12 July 2007 (EDT)
Thanks so much for the copy-edit on the skyline guide—it really needed it. You are quite the master of the pen! I wonder whether I could get you to look over my thesis ;) --Peter Talk 13:20, 12 July 2007 (EDT)
Ugh. I forgot to upload my most recent version of the Near North map svg file and it's on my desktop—looks like this update will have to wait until I replace my broken monitor :( But in any rate, nice work on the Near North. All that jumps out as "missing" are buy entries along the Magnificent Mile—that section should probably be pretty long, but like you I am not a "shopper" and don't want to tackle it. --Peter Talk 00:59, 20 July 2007 (EDT)

Far Southeast/west Sides

Thanks again for the offer to spruce these up! As far as I know, the only thing the Chicago/Far Southwest Side is missing is a photo of that silly castle (and maybe one of the parade, but that will have to wait). In addition to the hotel calls, the Chicago/Far Southeast Side could use some new photos—I'm not very happy with the current Pullman photos. So if you happen to make it down to either of these areas, don't forget your camera! --Peter Talk 14:23, 18 July 2007 (EDT)

Thanks for the Southeast hotel calls! --Peter Talk 02:56, 23 July 2007 (EDT)


I see your point about Avondale, but my concern is that it isn't contiguous with the rest of the Far Northwest Side. We could move Irving Park to the Far Northwest as well and keep North Center (which we are currently calling a part of Irving Park) in the North Side. Would that work well? --Peter Talk 03:39, 22 July 2007 (EDT)

O'Hare is gargantuan; I would like to see it get its own article. And I will make a point of changing our district maps to show North Center in the North Side and Irving Park & Avondale in the Far Northwest. I also wanted to point out that the last districts below usable status are the Far Northwest and the Southwest (I have an enormous edit coming through soon on the latter)—once these are upgraded, we can return the Chicago article to guide status (and on the way to Stardom). --Peter Talk 04:01, 22 July 2007 (EDT)
Hmm, where is that Mandarmani spamdal? He's become part of my daily bedtime routine and I need to get to sleep! --Peter Talk 04:03, 22 July 2007 (EDT)

Back to the Avondale question (now that I have got some sleep). One disadvantage to splitting Irving Park and North Center is that they then both become too small to ever get their own district. I would like to eventually get individual district articles for the north side (I think Lakeview and Lincoln Park more than deserve them). I don't really know too much about the area though, do you think it would be possible or at all desirable to write a North Center article? My hunch is no, but I could certainly be wrong. For that matter, would Avondale/Polish Village ever realistically make a standalone article? --Peter Talk 17:53, 22 July 2007 (EDT)

Ah, I'm glad to hear that North Center would work in a Lakeview-North Center article—that resolves my concerns. I realize that we currently split Old Town between the Near North and Lincoln Park articles. I think it would make sense to move all of Old Town (down to Division St) into a Lincoln Park-Old Town article. So I guess I should bump up the priority of finding a new monitor to hook up to my desktop so I can alter/update the Near North map! By the way, I'm very glad to have someone from the North Side working on these because my limited knowledge would make this sort of district sorting a nightmare. I'm discovering this while I try to sort out the Southwest Side content—all I know personally about the area are the areas right along 55th St on the way to Midway, plus a few other nightlife venues. --Peter Talk 00:32, 23 July 2007 (EDT)

Rare, fragile beauty

That was the funniest thing I've read on Wikitravel in a long time! Jpatokal 09:24, 27 July 2007 (EDT)

Sometimes a spammer brings out the best in you. Gorilla Jones 15:56, 27 July 2007 (EDT)
A true flash of genious indeed, still chuckling! --Peter Talk 03:02, 28 July 2007 (EDT)

Retail Gorilla

Nice job on the Chicago/Near North#Buy! I realize all too well that was a bit painful to write. But hey, I think fashion-conscious cat and the trend-minded dog would make an awesome Near North superhero duo! --Peter Talk 03:02, 28 July 2007 (EDT)

Near South

Hey I forgot about your ru-1! Please do feel free to stop by and import some templates—I feel like there is actually a fair amount of work to be done that doesn't require any language skills beyond reading cyrillic. I especially have no idea what is going on with more technical aspects, like setting up direct wikipedia links. I don't know whether that's something you have a handle on. In any rate, it would be nice to see more :ru user registrations, even non-contributing—it will help inflate our statistics!

My knowledge of the Near South is unfortunately very scatterbrained. I've done a fair amount of aimless wandering and cheap eats, but I've never really analyzed what I was doing there. But I'll dig around the internet and see what turns up, when I get a chance. --Peter Talk 01:16, 30 July 2007 (EDT)

If you have any more listings to add to the Near South, please try to do so within the next several hours. I'll get the Near South map with the updated boundaries and listings uploaded tonight; then perhaps we could nominate it for star status, after a bit of tightening up? I'm still held up with my monitor problem on the Near North, but I'll try to fix that soon. I have the Loop map all drawn, but the listings need updating. I suppose I could just put that up without perfect listings for the time being (so that boundaries are clear) and then update it when we feel it is ready. I would also like to map the North Side articles, whenever you feel like the listings are looking complete, let me know and I'll get them uploaded. My Southwest work stalled big time after I lost something like 25,000 characters of work in a computer crash. But I will bite the bullet and get all the listings compiled once more, because I really want to push Chicago to star status.
I would really like to see the West Side and possibly the Far North Side broken into smaller districts as well. The West Side will be straightforward enough. To me, it seems that smaller districts for the Far North Side would also be useful, as there seems to be pretty big differences by neighborhood, but I'll defer to your opinion on whether they would make good articles on their own. --Peter Talk 17:41, 7 August 2007 (EDT)
One question, how do we treat Grant Park, now that we have divided it between the Loop and Near South? Should we just direct all Grant Park information into one of the two and leave a note regarding this decision on the other? And in which of the two should we include it? --Peter Talk 22:59, 7 August 2007 (EDT)
Hey no worries, just so long as you don't have any new budget eateries up your sleeve—I'd have to change every single eat icon that came after it! I have to add the gourmand cafe anyway. --Peter Talk 02:41, 9 August 2007 (EDT)


Congratulations on Star-ifying Chicago/Bronzeville. We've gone through the process, there was zero dissent (unusual for recent Star nominations, incidentally), and time is up, so I just applied the coveted label. Great work by you and Peter on this one. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 13:47, 4 August 2007 (EDT)


Thanks for the nice comments and thanks for your tireless work on hotel listings, etc. (I seem to have accidentally done the parking rework without logging in, incidentally). N. Paul Inast 23:04, 4 August 2007 (EDT)


That one is quite nice. Put it up for now; it will be useful for me when I do get around to making a city-overview map, which will include the L lines (and perhaps Metra lines too). --Peter Talk 20:13, 8 August 2007 (EDT)

West Side

That would be a perfectly fine temporary fix, but I think in the long run that sort of division wouldn't make much sense. I would include the Lower West Side/Pilsen with the Near West and Far West in this scheme. But might it not be simpler to just break out one district at a time? I did that for the South Side, and it preserved usable status for all articles while allowing me to go one by one. Just a suggestion. And I'm looking forward to the Lower West Side article, so save some for me ok? ;) --Peter Talk 21:13, 8 August 2007 (EDT)

Баня in Chicago?! If only I had known! I presume you may BYOB? --Peter Talk 05:28, 12 August 2007 (EDT)

Lincoln Square

My initial feeling was that North Park & Albany Park together could eventually make for an interesting and coherent article. I'm sure there are lots of good eat listings to be found, but I suppose there might not be any attractions. But I haven't dug around in that area very much, so I'll defer to your judgment. I have no problem with grouping them under the one name "Lincoln Park," however, just as long as they get a good write-up in the "understand" section.

I've been thinking, though, if we are combining neighborhoods into made up districts, why not just start making up names? Call the place "Heiden Park" why not! --Peter Talk 00:01, 13 August 2007 (EDT)

Which small areas in particular have the majority of the listings? If you could let me know the block (e.g., street name between streets A & B), that would help speed things up a bit. --Peter Talk 15:52, 21 August 2007 (EDT)
Hmm, I'm thinking a general map with the main roads + a blow up of Lincoln Ave from 4500-4800. Does that sound about right? --Peter Talk 23:26, 21 August 2007 (EDT)
Is there an appropriate name I could give to this blow up (4500-4800 Lincoln Ave)? Somehow a map without a title just doesn't feel right. --Peter Talk 20:45, 23 August 2007 (EDT)
Right, but since we're calling the greater neighborhood Lincoln Square (as one of the three neighborhoods in the district), I was wondering if we could go more specific. Would "Giddings Plaza" work? In any rate, I'll upload these maps pretty soon, so you can see exactly what I've done.
Btw, welcome to the megalomania! I drew up a highly detailed map of my folks' ancestral lands in the Adirondacks last week, and I named an as-of-yet unnamed mountain after myself! --Peter Talk 21:11, 23 August 2007 (EDT)

Long Beach

I think that this edit to the Long Beach article, while not exactly MOS, is still valid. The Queen Mary is docked there and I'm fairly sure it has some restaurants available that are frequented by tourists. If that's wrong I apologize - it's late and I didn't investigate further. -- Ryan • (talk) • 02:28, 23 August 2007 (EDT)

OK. I didn't catch that it is permanently docked. Gorilla Jones 02:36, 23 August 2007 (EDT)
Thanks - I pretty much only patrol articles that are on my watchlist anymore, and for some strange reason that one was on it. -- Ryan • (talk) • 02:42, 23 August 2007 (EDT)


Well, sometimes I stay silent when I should comment. But, you know the saying about keeping your mouth shut and everyone thinking you are a fool, is better than opening your mouth and confirming it to everyone. Anyway, Chicago is one of my favorite places to visit and you and Peter did a grand job of re-working it recently. Good job!!!Workerbee 13:26, 24 August 2007 (EDT)