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User talk:Evan/Oct 2004

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1.3.4 bugs

  • Search doesn't work
  • Images in articles are broken
  • Recent changes header formatting is screwy

Happy upgrading =) Jpatokal 05:11, 7 Oct 2004 (EDT)

OK, I see search and the RC problem, but what's wrong with images? They look good on my user page and on the main page. Any others out there? --Evan 05:32, 7 Oct 2004 (EDT)
Images look fine for me, but anyway, I don't care so much for this details right now. Just wanted to say "Thank you" for the great job you have done this night. As far as I have seen, that were some pretty hard hours of work during all the night. Time to go to bed, ... and have a look on the German Wikitravel when up again. -- Hansm 07:17, 2004 Oct 7 (EDT)
Thanks to you! And the other great people who've been working so hard on German Wikitravel without even having a Wiki available! I think the German site looks great. --Evan 07:19, 7 Oct 2004 (EDT)
Most images have now cleared up, but Off the beaten track in Japan is still barfing this at me:

Warning: imagejpeg(): Unable to open '/home/virtual/site30/fst/var/www/html/en/upload/thumb/0/04/180px-Kazurabashi_IyaValley2.JPG' for writing in /home/virtual/site30/fst/var/www/html/en/includes/Image.php on line 232

Warning: stat(): Stat failed for /home/virtual/site30/fst/var/www/html/en/upload/thumb/0/04/180px-Kazurabashi_IyaValley2.JPG (errno=2 - No such file or directory) in /home/virtual/site30/fst/var/www/html/en/includes/Image.php on line 246

Warning: unlink(/home/virtual/site30/fst/var/www/html/en/upload/thumb/0/04/180px-Kazurabashi_IyaValley2.JPG): No such file or directory in /home/virtual/site30/fst/var/www/html/en/includes/Image.php on line 249

See also my post to the Wikitravel:Travellers' pub. But thanks for the hard work! Jpatokal 07:48, 7 Oct 2004 (EDT)

Serious Problem in German Version

When editing a page, there appears a message on the bottom of the page saying that all submitteded work is GFDL licenced. This might become a dangerous problem, of course. Problem: The text must come from some other source than the LanguageDe.php file. I already have searched for it and didn't find. The verbously copied text is:

Bitte beachten Sie, dass alle Wikitravel-Beiträge automatisch unter der "GNU Freie          
Dokumentationslizenz" stehen. Falls Sie nicht möchten, dass Ihre Arbeit hier von   
anderen verändert und verbreitet wird, dann drücken Sie nicht auf "Speichern".

-- Hansm 10:03, 2004 Oct 7 (EDT)

This is fixed now, I think. --Evan 16:00, 7 Oct 2004 (EDT)
Yes, looks fine now. Thank you. -- Hansm 17:45, 2004 Oct 7 (EDT)

License of German Wikitravel is CC by-sa 1.0

Evan, please have a look at de:Wikitravel Diskussion:Creative Commons Lizenzentwurf - Namensnennung — Weitergabe unter gleichen Bedingungen 2.0. I hope, things will turn out to be less critical than they have seemed to you at the first view. -- Hansm 04:14, 2004 Oct 9 (EDT)


Evan! I read your messege to Lamré on Swedish Wikitravel about sysop status. In the beginning, I think it's necessary for us to have a few administrators, in order to solve some of the simple (non software) problems ourselves. Some of the people that so far have contributed to Swedish Wikitravel are also known to me through Wikipedia. It is my firm belief that all trusted users should be granted sysop status. Of course we are also used to the democratic ways of voting before making someone a sysop of before deleting an article or blocking a user. Anyhow, I think it's important that we, at least in the beginning, have more then one admin. If you could grant me beaurocrat status, I can myself make that happen.

One problem that probably is very easy to solve is the minor edit letter in recent changes. I have changed M to m (to seperate it to otherwise similiar N), but it doesn't execute. Because only a sysop can change the minor edit letter, I cannot ask any of my "colleages" to have a try, instead I have to burden you with this small matter. I hope you see my point. :) Yours, Alers 14:02, 9 Oct 2004 (EDT)

OK, so, a couple of things: first, we don't use the database messages on, so I have to edit the LanguageXX.php files by hand. It's too bad, but the performance cost of using the DB messages is too high (Wikimedia uses a special program to make those database messages work, and we can't run it on our servers). I'm thinking that's what you expect you need a lot of administrators for; I think at least for that purpose it's a moot point. I have some ideas for how we can sync up on language file changes, but mostly: they're going to have to come through me. That's OK with me, by the way -- no big deal.
Second, I understand your idea that all trusted users should be granted sysop status, but... we kinda don't do it that way here. We really emphasize that everyone should be making decisions, taking responsibility, and taking action. I don't mean any disrespect to my fellow admins, but I think there are quite a few other users who have put in more time and effort and make more important contributions than the people who have their admin bit flipped. In fact, it's extremely rare (I'm having a hard time coming up with an example) that any of us uses our admin super-powers except to do what the community tells us to. I guess what I'm saying is that being an admin on Wikitravel is much, much less important than being one on Wikipedia or other Wikimedia wikis.
Lastly, and to be most blunt, I don't feel comfortable giving you the ability to make admins. sv: is the first Wikitravel language version where none of the original team has any significant experience with Wikitravel in another language. So, I don't have enough personal experience with you to know that you understand the Wikitravel culture, and that you'll pass that along to the other admins you bless. More importantly, the Wikitravel community hasn't really given me the mandate to do that. Although we've had the go-between be an admin himself for each new language so far, and we've had one admin elected on one of the non-English versions (fr:), it just hasn't come up. I'm going to bring it up on Wikitravel talk:language version policy, and let's see how it works out.
I'm sorry to sound like a jerk, but... that's kind of the way we do things around here: lots of talking, discussing, consensus. Things move slower here than on a Wikipedia, and we also have a much closer integration between the different language version communities. I hope that doesn't put you off too much. --Evan 20:59, 9 Oct 2004 (EDT)
No problem. As you point out, I have little experience of Wikitravel, thus I'm very much stuck in the Wikipedia way of thinking. I'll just add this to the info about what an admin is and is not, and that, so far, you are the only beaurocrat on Swedish Wikitravel. Another question; where do you want me as a go-between to report the progresses made in the Swedish Wikitravel? --Alers 05:09, 10 Oct 2004 (EDT)