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Hi Bill - your point re: typos and redirects is well-taken and one that I argued a long while back (see [http://wikitravel.org/wiki/en/index.php?title=Wikitravel:Votes_for_deletion&oldid=92161] and search for "Genevosa").  However, a few individuals have made the point (fairly passionately) that if one person has made a typo then someone else may make the same typo in the future, so turning typos into redirects should be the policy.  No one seems to strongly disagree, so that's now the policy -- as always it could be discussed and changed, but there just doesn't seem to be a compelling reason why typos '''must''' be deleted, while some people feel passionately that they shouldn't be.  To me the issue is sort of like the [[Wikitravel talk:Spelling/Commonwealth English proposal|British vs. American spelling debate]] -- I just don't care that much, but will defer to those who do, so if this is one that keeps you awake at night, scares your children, and troubles your dreams, [[Wikitravel talk:Deletion policy]] is the place to be. -- [[User:Wrh2|Ryan]] 18:52, 19 March 2006 (EST)
 
Hi Bill - your point re: typos and redirects is well-taken and one that I argued a long while back (see [http://wikitravel.org/wiki/en/index.php?title=Wikitravel:Votes_for_deletion&oldid=92161] and search for "Genevosa").  However, a few individuals have made the point (fairly passionately) that if one person has made a typo then someone else may make the same typo in the future, so turning typos into redirects should be the policy.  No one seems to strongly disagree, so that's now the policy -- as always it could be discussed and changed, but there just doesn't seem to be a compelling reason why typos '''must''' be deleted, while some people feel passionately that they shouldn't be.  To me the issue is sort of like the [[Wikitravel talk:Spelling/Commonwealth English proposal|British vs. American spelling debate]] -- I just don't care that much, but will defer to those who do, so if this is one that keeps you awake at night, scares your children, and troubles your dreams, [[Wikitravel talk:Deletion policy]] is the place to be. -- [[User:Wrh2|Ryan]] 18:52, 19 March 2006 (EST)
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Hello Bill on the Hill I'am a newbie so called "ADHD" problem but could you help my stubs and outliners? mexico and other locations are great! [[User:Traveler2006|Traveler2006]] 09:52, 29 March 2006 (EST) thanks

Revision as of 14:56, 29 March 2006

See also User talk:Bill-on-the-Hill/2005 for archived talk ...

Santa Fe maps

Hey! I've started working on a set of maps for Santa Fe on the grounds that it's a US destination so mapping is easy, and it's up for DOM. I figure I should keep you up-to-date on what I'm doing.

So far I have a basic map of Santa Fe County, which is just an import of pertinent Tiger/line data layers. Have a look (you can open the file with Inkscape, but only on a machine with a lot of memory).

I'm going to want your input on the subjects of detail and cropping, as well as parks etc. which are missing from the Tiger/line data, and eventually precise placement of listing icons. -- Mark 11:05, 2 Jan 2006 (EST)

Hey Bill. Yeah, like I said where I'll need your help is with the cropping. The first thing I'm going to do is make a version that's cropped down to Santa Fe township (including the airport).

Check out Carbondale to see how I've done two maps, one close up with more detail and another with a wider area and less detail so that I could get all of the Sleep listings in. I figure this will probably be necessary for most US destinations since people usually have a car when travelling in the US and therefore can be expected to range a bit wider (if that makes sense).

Anyhow I started the Carbondale maps by doing this for Jackson County Illinois as well, so this is a preliminary step. I figured I would show you the full county version so that you can let me know if I need to also do cropped maps of any places outside of town (like maybe a ski resort or two?) -- Mark 12:43, 2 Jan 2006 (EST)

Wide Area Map uploaded

Hi Bill, I've just uploaded the wide-area version of the SVG, the work for which only amounted to the deletion of roads and waterways outside of the area. All the other stuff can stay since the urban areas and parks don't use much disk space or memory.

If you could add a layer and put in marks of some kind for the eat/drink/sleep/do/see listings that would be fantastic! I can do it of course but I think it would be faster for you since you know the town better than I do. -- Mark 14:34, 2 Jan 2006 (EST)


I forgot to mention: I would suggest opening the file in Inkscape so that you can edit it (and see all the layers correctly). -- Mark 15:16, 2 Jan 2006 (EST)

I think I may have had the "Roads" layer turned off when I did the previous upload. I just added a new one though which has the roads turned on and in which I've made I-25 yellow. Eventually I want to do that with all the highways, limited access or not. -- Mark 19:08, 3 Jan 2006 (EST)

Hey Mark, if you see this, check your own discussion page; it seems to have become weird following the spam attack. Anyway, I haven't forgotten these maps, but am finding them very tough going. Many older cities have basic street layouts that were apparently set up by following cow paths. Santa Fe is unique among them, however, in that its cow paths seem to have been created by drunken cows. I've lived in the vicinity for nearly 30 years, and I can't make heads nor tails of the roads -- just last month discovered an important route that I had no idea existed. Transferring that to a map is predictably frustrating... -- Bill-on-the-Hill 15:21, 8 Jan 2006 (EST)
Actually the fake "Mark." user was created by a vandal some time ago. I don't much care about it, but I suppose I should eventually make it a redirect to my page.
I suppose that it will be easier to do the icons after the streets are labeled. I still don't have a very good way to automate that, but this gives me a good excuse to try. -- Mark 22:56, 8 Jan 2006 (EST)

The map is looking good. Do you mind if I do some more editing though? It would be better for instance if the icons were SVG rather than PNG for instance. Also I usually make these SVG maps "full bleed" and then crop when I make the PNG.

I'll do some work on the street labels. I take it you prefer just having the major roads rather than highlighting the major roads? It's no big deal, just a style thing. -- Mark 12:10, 9 Jan 2006 (EST)

Actually, would you rather have me make changes or would you prefer a critique? It would be really great to have more contributors who can do this mapping stuff. -- Mark 14:30, 14 Jan 2006 (EST)
My take on Area Map

Here's a new version taken mostly from the Tiger/Line data. I don't know how precise the placement of the icons is, but this gives you an idea of where I would like to go with this. I think my downtown bounding box is a little big perhaps, but I wanted to be sure to get as much stuff inside of it as possible. I'm working on the street lables downtown now. -- Mark 11:16, 22 Feb 2006 (EST)

I'm glad you like the work. I guess my 8 years of art school are worth something, though probably not nearly what I still owe. It's weird 'cause since I work as a programmer these maps are pretty much the only visual art or graphic design I do these days. Once in a while I do a party flyer for one of the local DJs but that's about it. I'll figure out a good size for the downtown map after I get the streets down there labled, but I will definetly do as you say with St. Francis. -- Mark 03:52, 23 February 2006 (EST)

Bad reichenhall article

You said the status of the Bad Reichenhall article is too high. In your opinion, what should the status be? Kingjeff 12:44, 17 Feb 2006 (EST)

North Central (New Mexico)

Hi Bill-on-the-hill, in response to your question on my talk page asking me what prompted me to look at the North Central (New Mexico) article, I'm currently looking at things to do in my summer vacation, and I've been trawling Wikitravel for ideas!! It certainly does look like a cool place to visit!

Tsandell 07:45, 14 March 2006 (EST)

Hot springs

Alas, I know next to nothing about European hot springs — and after moving to the tropics they don't quite appeal in the same way, I can get an instant sauna just by opening the door... Jpatokal 10:21, 17 March 2006 (EST)

Redirect & Typos

Hi Bill - your point re: typos and redirects is well-taken and one that I argued a long while back (see [1] and search for "Genevosa"). However, a few individuals have made the point (fairly passionately) that if one person has made a typo then someone else may make the same typo in the future, so turning typos into redirects should be the policy. No one seems to strongly disagree, so that's now the policy -- as always it could be discussed and changed, but there just doesn't seem to be a compelling reason why typos must be deleted, while some people feel passionately that they shouldn't be. To me the issue is sort of like the British vs. American spelling debate -- I just don't care that much, but will defer to those who do, so if this is one that keeps you awake at night, scares your children, and troubles your dreams, Wikitravel talk:Deletion policy is the place to be. -- Ryan 18:52, 19 March 2006 (EST)

Bill

Hello Bill on the Hill I'am a newbie so called "ADHD" problem but could you help my stubs and outliners? mexico and other locations are great! Traveler2006 09:52, 29 March 2006 (EST) thanks