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Thank you for your recent contributions! great job on Albufeira page! please keep it up! Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 20:01, 30 May 2013 (EDT)

Great job!

Thanks for all your hard work reverting touting such as this recent egregious example, Astrid.

Incidentally, there are a great series of templates to substitute when greeting new users. They all begin with 118 such as Template:118w which produces the result shown below, Astrid:

Hello, Adzas !

Welcome to Wikitravel.

Thank you for your interesting contributions to our Colombia article!
Terrific job in catching all that touting, Astrid!

We've created a tips for new contributors page, full of helpful links about policies and guidelines and our house style as well as some important information on copyleft and basic stuff like how to edit a page.

However, even more important than following every guideline is to PLUNGE FORWARD and write something useful – someone might be along to help with the proper formatting later if we're both lucky...

Add your home town, or a place you know well or write some insider tips - but don't use first person pronouns.

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If you need help, check out Wikitravel:Help, or post a message in the travellers' pub. We're looking forward to seeing you again here on Wikitravel! --W. Franke-mailtalk 10:27, 5 July 2013 (EDT)

Thank you! Adzas (talk) 10:43, 5 July 2013 (EDT)
My pleasure, Astrid: <[email protected]> since e-mail has been disabled for a long time on this site. --W. Franke-mailtalk 11:10, 5 July 2013 (EDT)

Thu Dau Mot

Hi Azdas!

thanks for having a look at our page! I'm a teacher and my class created this page as a class project. It will be an ongoing project to correct grammar, facts, and writing, as well as a useful contribution to visitors of the town I'm currently living in!

Cheers! Fasya

Thank you for this message, Fasaya! The project sounds great! Do you need any help with editing? Did you think about uploading some pictures to the article?
It is also a good idea to create your own account on Wikitravel because it will give you various benefits:
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  2. Ability to turn off advertising in your Account Settings
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All the best, IBAlex (talk) 13:06, 1 August 2013 (EDT)

Hello Adzas

helo. My Pleasure to your welcome to see my edit at Medan page. i try to put Medan Landmark picture so tourist will know and not get lost. i will try put the best one. thank you

Misahualli / touting

I reworked the page and hope it finds your "placet". Meanwhile I had a look at the touting-page and couldn't find any violation of the criteria given there. Before you eliminate information again, I'd appreciate a discussion on the discussion-page with references to the violated rules. However the general rule about avoiding 1st person was violated - although I feel that personal views should be clearly distinguished from objective facts :-(


Dear Adzas, Thanks for the notice. That's very strange, because as i remember the link should have been I'll fix it right now.

listings in NorthEast Pelion

Hi in regards to your message about the listings that i've made in the NorthEast Pelion region - Greece, the 2 hotels that i tried to list have the same website: Which looks like a local info guide but its not. It's the actual webpage of Victoria Guest House & Ghermaniko Hotel.

Damouchari is not big but it has some history and if you want i can add it as well.

Ok i have changed it and added some information as well in the page! Thanks alot! Do you want me to add Damouchari at the region's (Northeast Pelio) page as well?

Mass deletion of pages

Good Morning Adzas,

Please mass delete pages that are spambots:


Unfortunately you reverted some good edits on the California page, commenting "Links to secundary sites are not allowed here, also no need to add all airline links in this article. If you have any questions, please let us know."

In my view, your reversion was in the face of our established policy, since we distinguish between primary links and SECONDARY links, but heck, what do I know, I've only been curating this site for seven years. is the OFFICIAL Metropolitan Transportation Commission website. See xl for our current policy! --W. Franke-mailtalk 09:03, 13 October 2013 (EDT)

Welcome back W. Frank, looks like you have been busy again. Looking again at those links, you are probably right, I saw two links both with the name, I was probably wrong in considering those as secundary sources. However, the first one is already mentioned on the San_Francisco page, so I would remove this one again, to avoid the same links on several pages. The second link would be more suited on the Los_Angeles page, as it mainly covers the Los Angeles Metroplex. Listing all the airlines makes the article look cluttered with links, while those airlines can be easily found by the traveler, but I will just bring that up as a discussion point, in order not to upset anyone unnecessary. Have a great afternoon!Adzas (talk) 12:01, 13 October 2013 (EDT)
I appreciate that with the amount of spam you are having to deal with you're bound to make a few slips. We do walk a tightrope with anon editors, though and the trick is to get them to register an account and to help fight spam. You've been kind enough to leave a message on the anon's user talk page, so it might be an idea to be ultra-conciliatory now and encourage them to register and continue to actively contribute. Your final arbiter should always be to consider what is helpful to the travelling reader, so it may often be entirely appropriate to have a link to an official public transport site on several different destination pages.
If the hyperlinks are properly formatted as frontlinks they are less obtrusive - but I realise that correction of formatting requires more time and effort than just hitting the revert button. Keep warm! --W. Franke-mailtalk 12:51, 13 October 2013 (EDT)

Gaps in our MoS

I was quite interested in your edit summary when you reverted me saying "his info does not belong here, this is Wikitravel, not the Economist". Which on-line style guide do you prefer we reference?

Even after 10 years of Wikitravel, there are still inevitably gaps in our own Manual of Style. Rather than leave inconsistent usage to develop within and between articles I suggested that any lacunae can be filled by reference to respected on-line Style Guides. I didn't suggest using Wikipedia, because it more often is in direct conflict with the style advice that we have developed here over the years.

This is the entry that I inserted that you reverted without providing what I would regard as a reasonable rationale:

"Where our own Manual of Style is silent on a particular point, the on-line Style Guide of The Economist may offer useful guidance."

One reason I picked "The Economist" is that it is available on-line without paying a subscription. Although it is written in the non-US variety of English that is used in more countries than the US variety (see EngVar) it is widely distributed and respected in the US, too.

I'd welcome reading your ideas here, Astrid: Wikitravel_talk:Manual_of_style#Gaps_in_our_MoS. Keep warm! --W. Franke-mailtalk 08:57, 14 October 2013 (EDT)

Frank, please discuss first changes to the policy pages with the rest of the community and don't change things on your own. We would appreciate that. Thanks! IBAlex (talk) 13:17, 14 October 2013 (EDT)
I think we're going over old ground again here, Alex.
I think you realise that you were hired as an IBadmin, in a time of crisis, about 6 years after I started editing here.
Now you have as much right to change the rules about Consensus as anyone else here. But that should be done in one of two ways:
  1. either by Internet Brands making an announcement as to what rules they wish to change
  2. or by discussing the changes you wish in the usual way and then, if there is a consensus implementing them.
Until most of the community packed their bags and left, editors had always plunged forward with any policy changes they thought desirable. If nobody objected, the change became hallowed by time as a new consensual policy. If somebody objected, they reverted the edit (as Astrid has done with my MoS addition but then the objection needs to be explained rationally on the plicy article's discussion page (as Astrid or you or anyone else still has to do...). Out of that discussion the policy evolves. That's the wiki way. Now I realise that all IBadmins are very busy reverting spam and vandalism, but if you ever get the time it would be great if you actually took the time to read and understand some of our longstanding basic policy pages. --W. Franke-mailtalk 13:35, 14 October 2013 (EDT)
Frank, I hate to have to jump in here -- and I will make every effort to avoid engaging you with your circular arguments that we've admonished you for many times. But let me be very clear: you are not to make any changes to Wikitravel policy pages, period. This goes for templates as well. Stick to destination article contributions. If there is a policy or template change you're interested in discussing, you may raise the issue on the Pub. If you are engaged on the pub on a policy point, we may discuss it there. If not, we won't. But you are not to make unilateral changes. I am not interested in hearing your rationalizations or reading any evidence you feel supports your side of this. If you keep it up, your next suspension will be permanent. I hope that's not necessary. --IBobi (talk) 15:53, 14 October 2013 (EDT)