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I left messages on [[:shared:User talk:2old|your shared: talk page]] about  images without a license and VFD. -- [[User:Tatata|Tatata]] 23:17, 20 August 2007 (EDT)
I left messages on [[:shared:User talk:2old|your shared: talk page]] about  images without a license and VFD. -- [[User:Tatata|Tatata]] 23:17, 20 August 2007 (EDT)
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The reason the description was "split" was because there was a new paragraph (most likely created by hitting the enter key). If you compare the difference [1] you'll be able to see it better. It's kind of hard to explain.

Also, before you do a whole lot of extensive editing, take a second to look at our copyleft and policies and guidelines to be sure you understand how this type of stuff works. You seem to have the right idea when it comes to our manual of style.

If you need any more help, check out Wikitravel:Help, and if you need some info not on there, post a message in the travellers' pub, or feel free to leave me another message on my talk page. Welcome to Wikitravel! -- Fastestdogever 15:53, 18 April 2007 (EDT)

Wikitravel Shared

Thought I'd let you know about Wikitravel Shared, Wikitravel's shared image repository. If you upload images there all of the language versions of WT can access and use the photos. It works pretty much the same as the English version of WT. Check it out when you get a chance. I'm off now to enjoy this beautiful day! -- Fastestdogever 13:10, 20 April 2007 (EDT)

Holmes County

Hey, nice job on that article. I kept meaning to add something about not taking photographs of Amish people - guess you beat me to it! One minor thing - Ohio counties are treated as regions and use the Wikitravel:Region article template. This template doesn't list individual entries for the Eat and Sleep sections - they go in the city article instead. For example, Grandma's Homestead Restaurant would go in the Charm article. Keep up all the good work! -- Fastestdogever 12:15, 24 April 2007 (EDT)

Sorry about that - I thought you did create those. I'm not familiar with Catawba - is it a town near Port Clinton? If it's a really teeny town that is pretty much indistinguishable from Port Clinton (at least from a travelers point-of-view) just go ahead and add the Catawba info to the PC article. Maybe just make a mention in the PC article that it also covers the town of Catawba. Also, I created the Berlin article. -- Fastestdogever 13:06, 24 April 2007 (EDT)


I see what you mean about not being sure where it should go. Is there a collective name for the Marblehead peninsula and Catawba Island? If you check out this map it's pretty obvious that Port Clinton, Marblehead & Catawba are all different towns gathered on the same strip of land. I think we should probably make a Ottawa County region and add those (along with some of the Lake Erie Islands) together. -- Fastestdogever 15:59, 24 April 2007 (EDT)
Just found that Wikipedia calls that peninsula the "Ottawa County peninsula" is this something you've ever heard of? Or is the Catawba Island Peninsula more common? I think we need just one region page to cover Port Clinton, Marblehead & Catawba. -- Fastestdogever 16:12, 24 April 2007 (EDT)
The naming conventions we use follow the most common English name. I think Catawba Island (even though it's not really an island) is probably used more commonly than Catawba Island Peninsula. Here's my proposal of how it would be broken down:

Don't worry about the other pages (Catawba Island Peninsula (Ohio) and Catawba Island Penninsula (Ohio) - we can redirect those to the Catawba Island page so if anyone does search for them they'll end up in the right place. Whatcha think? -- Fastestdogever 16:29, 24 April 2007 (EDT)

I moved our conversation over to Talk:Ottawa County (Ohio) so it'll be easier to follow.

Ottawa County

Sounds good to me. I looked at the page and it included Put-inBay. There are 7 islands in Ottawa County where Put-in-Bay is on South Bass (one of them). Should they be included also, like Put-in-Bay, or am I missing soemthing? Some of the differences in the area = Part of Catawba now has a sanitary sewer, where little of Marbelhead Peninsula does. This has resulted in a substantial building boom on Catawba since the mid-70's. There are a lot of newer marina's, golf courses, condo's, on Catawba and millions of dollars of private boats, supported by lodging and other services. It is the hot spot, so to say.

OK, everything's all set up. Let me know what you think -- Fastestdogever 22:52, 25 April 2007 (EDT)

Holmes County

I had to remove a large section that was a copyright violation from this page. Please take a second to look at our copyleft and policies and guidelines. The thing to keep in mind that that most of the stuff found online can't be copied to Wikitravel. -- Fastestdogever 14:24, 25 April 2007 (EDT)

I thought info from Census would be acceptable, regardless of the source. So sorry!
That is true that facts can't be copyrighted, but actually copying text word for word is probably not the best idea. Also, at least for me personally, specific information like The population of Fakeville is 2,158 and has decreased 5.45%... more than likely belongs in Wikipedia. That's actually one of the reasons I enjoy working on Wikitravel more than Wikipedia - we get to deal with the fun stuff.
One more thing, typing ~~~~ after messages you leave on talk pages will automatically add your username & a time stamp. Keep up the good contributions! -- Fastestdogever 22:52, 25 April 2007 (EDT)

Listing templates

Have you noticed the listings templates (in the box below the summary)? They look like:

* <see name="" address="" phone="" email="" fax="" hours="" price="" url=""></see>

I like using them because they automatically format the listings correctly. It might take a few tries to get used to, but it'll make adding listings easier (and prettier!). -- Fastestdogever 14:12, 26 April 2007 (EDT) Thank You! There are several features in this software I have not figured out


I created the links to the counties - all you have to do is click the Region tab in the links that look like this:

City | Major City | City District | Region | National Park | Phrasebook | Disambiguation | Talk Page

That will automatically fill out the template. Then just add {{IsIn|Ohio}} above the {{Outline}} entry & you should be all set. Fastestdogever 11:15, 30 April 2007 (EDT)

See Northwest Ohio#Counties. Then just click on the red link & follow the steps above. -- Fastestdogever 11:36, 30 April 2007 (EDT)


You've been all over. Those are some great pictures you've been uploading. I especially liked this one.

I just wanted to remind you again about Wikitravel Shared. If you upload your images there then other languages can use them. Technically they can use them now (since all language versions have the same license), but in order for the Spanish version to use them someone would have to download it and then re-upload it to shared. There's been some talk about making everything uploaded to Shared anyway, so you'd be ahead of the game. I wouldn't bother you about it if you weren't contributing so many neat pictures - I really think the other versions could benefit from your contributions. -- Fastestdogever 11:54, 2 May 2007 (EDT)

Lincoln Highway

I created this page & added a basic outline. Have you ever driven it? Any clue how long it would take? The Route 66 page worked out pretty well, so check there for inspiration on a good way format an itinerary (especially one that covers many states). -- Fastestdogever 12:28, 3 May 2007 (EDT)

Route 66 is a fine article. I do not think I am the guy for a Lincoln Highway page, but it would be a great trip for one visiting USA. I am now uploading photos to Wikishared as you suggested. 2old 14:06, 4 May 2007 (EDT)


Have you considered becoming a docent for some of the places you live or know very well? All you have to do is add


at the bottom of the page & it'll show up. That way if someone has a detailed question that wouldn't normally be covered in a guide, they can ask you. -- Fastestdogever 16:35, 9 May 2007 (EDT)

Yucatan Hammock

This seems like an odd topic for an article. - Todd VerBeek 15:06, 16 May 2007 (EDT)

Although I originally did not spell it right, it is an unusual way of resting. I thought it appropriate for The Yucatan and is linked to that page. If you are not familar with one and you backpack, you may want to try one. Agreed it is unusual. 2old 15:12, 16 May 2007 (EDT)
No, what I mean is that it's unusual to make a whole article about travel accessory for a travel guide. It doesn't match any of the things described in Wikitravel:What is an article?. Maybe it would be better as a sidebar in the Yucatan article? - Todd VerBeek 16:10, 16 May 2007 (EDT)
I see. Hmm. I thought it not of enough consequence to include on the Article, so I hid it. Apparently you are speaking of the gay accorn type situation someone created on the Ohio page. The problem is, I do not know how to do that. If you think it is appropriate to the article and should be moved there, would you kindly move it, if not, you are welcome to quickly delete it or take whatever action you deem necessary. I never thought of it as a travel accessory, but something a bit more unique to the area. 2old 16:25, 16 May 2007 (EDT)
Info boxes are pretty easy - here's one if you want to try it out. -- Fastestdogever 16:34, 16 May 2007 (EDT)

Title here
Text here

Thank you, young lady. I will try it tomorrow. 2old 16:46, 16 May 2007 (EDT)
OK. I moved it to a text box on the Yucatan page. However I liked it hidden better, but it appears I did not hide it properly. My web page experence in the past is only with Net Objects Fusion, this is a bit different. If I can not abbreviate the article (I mean subject), I will most likely delete it. 09:46, 17 May 2007 (EDT)

Tiny images

You may want to check out How to add an image for the best way to add images. Usually, the leading pic is between 250-400px (although 400 may be a bit too large), and the others are usually 250px. Here's the formula: [[Image:filename of image|sizepx|description of image]] -- Fastestdogever 11:08, 29 May 2007 (EDT)

Ohio's prehistoric sites

Yup, that's something that could be covered as an itinerary or a travel topic. Itineraries are articles that describe a route, rather than a single destination. That type of article would be something like "Three days of Ohio's prehistoric sites" and would be similar to an article like The Jazz Track or Route 66. Or you could make it a Travel topic, like "Ohio's prehistoric sites" which lists all of the sites & a description. Some examples of travel topics are Salsa dancing in Latin America or Golf in Thailand. It's up to you! -- Fastestdogever 17:59, 1 June 2007 (EDT)

Looks good - I did some minor formatting to the article. -- Fastestdogever 13:12, 6 June 2007 (EDT)
Cool article! --Peterfitzgerald Talk 16:48, 6 June 2007 (EDT)


I just checked out the Ohio guide and saw the lead photo you added to the guide and I wanted to stop by and say "thanks". The photo's awesome - quintessentially Ohio.

Anyhow, thanks for all the hard work. -- Sapphire(Talk) • 14:41, 12 June 2007 (EDT)

Just wanted to add in a note to say that while patrolling Special:Recentchanges over the past few weeks I've also noticed the many contributions you've made and also appreciate your efforts. I also like your login - while you and User:OldPine may be able to get away with "old" as it relates to much of the internet crowd, you might be surprised at how many regular contributors here fall into the 30-something and 40-something clubs! -- Ryan • (talk) • 03:01, 13 June 2007 (EDT)

Tibetan journeys

Thanks for the compliment, but actually those itineraries were the handy work of Celticevergreen. I just (annoyingly) edited some of them. However, I don't think those mountains are out of bounds to people until they reach their 70's. On two occasions while trekking in the Himalayas I have been passed by people in their late 60's - a Japanese group (who were like the road runner - wow) and a two British ladies. So, don't just read the articles. Try a few out. Ah, they are your employees, so no problem if they stumble on your user page. If they were colleagues, you might consider removing the picture! Take it easy. WindHorse 10:15, 20 June 2007 (EDT)

Lodges & Parks

Thanks for the welcome back note - I've been home for a few days, but still trying to get out of ultra-lazy mode. I had checked the vfd discussion and saw that your question was being answered over there. Trust me - just about everyone that has been contributing for awhile has done something that others disagree with. It's bound to happen with so many people around. Keep up the awesome work on the Ohio pages you've put so much effort into. Oh, and I love what you said about your employees thinking you're busy when you're here! -- Fastestdogever 11:36, 27 June 2007 (EDT)

Region listings

Hi. I wanted to explain my revisions in Southwest Ohio and Ross County. Generally we only have full listings in city/town articles. Regions just reference what city/town the attraction is in. Also, don't list the town in the town's article and almost never use the zip code. (Hey! you aren't just copying stuff in are you?? :)) Web links go at the end and have single brackets [], not double [[]] like the internal links. Just some hopefully, helpful tips. Sorry if I got in your way over there with cross edits. Saves some work if we get it right the first time though. Thanks for the efforts and a belated welcome. OldPine 14:11, 29 June 2007 (EDT)

Ha! No problem with the cut and paste, but you do have to change the words around a little to protect the innocent, or at least format it to our style. On the airport link, it's just something we've been doing... I guess it'll aid in some future endeavor to use them for locations... meanwhile it just explains to folks where the code comes from. As far as the guideline you asked about, see: this. It has all the listing formats. Not sure which one applied. For what goes into region articles see this. Will look into Mount Gilead. Hey, us old guys gotta stick together. OldPine 14:44, 29 June 2007 (EDT)

Disambiguation of new pages

I wanted to drop you a line about disambiguation of new pages. If there is no potential name conflicts (for example there is only one Upper Sandusky), you should name the article as Upper Sandusky rather than Upper Sandusky (Ohio). I usually check Wikipedia to see what the potential is for articles with other names. Probably it is better to err on the side of no disambiguation if there is not any other article with that name already. Disambiguation is explained (in a rather confusing way I think) at Wikitravel:Article naming conventions. Yeah, there's a lot of stuff to learn, but don't sweat it. It eventually is second nature. OldPine 10:20, 30 June 2007 (EDT)

Nice Pics!

Got some nice pictures there, man. Makes me feel like a roadtrip! OldPine 15:33, 2 July 2007 (EDT)

Chicago Skyline

Thanks for the positive feedback—I'm still a little unsure of what I'm doing with this travel topic and its nice to hear that you think it would be useful! Unfortunately, I don't have any skyline pictures that include the Museum Campus. These were the only usable panoramic shots I could find (with appropriate licenses). If you see any better ones, though, let me know—I could really use a better shot from the West Side than the one I've got. --Peter Talk 15:56, 10 July 2007 (EDT)

No worries about nosiness! My interest in Chicago's architecture is pretty casual—I just was so blown away by the vistas available on and around the river downtown and wanted to understand more about the various towering works of art that I saw. So all the information on this traveltopic is just internet research that I did. I really don't know the least bit about architecture generally. I'm very glad to hear that you find this guide useful; I was worried at first that it might just be a wild idea. --Peter Talk 17:27, 7 August 2007 (EDT)

Ohio State Parks

Just to expand further... didn't want to waste more space on the VFD page... basically if a park is large enough and you can sleep in it and all, you can go ahead and create an article for that park. If not - if it's small, you can't spend the night in it - just list it in the region that it's in, such as Northwest Ohio (it would go under "Other destinations"). Hope that helps... and get back to work making Ohio and Ohio State Parks into great articles!

It would be really helpful if you could sort out where to put the list I left at Talk:Ohio, since you know the state. Basically, if a lodge is 30 miles outside of Toledo, then it could be listed under Toledo#Get out. Or a lodge that is in the middle of nowhere could be listed in Southeast Ohio, etc. And if a lodge is within a state park, then that state park qualifies for its own article... so if it doesn't have one already, make one for it, using the park template, and list the lodge there.

Thanks again! – cacahuate talk 11:39, 16 July 2007 (EDT)

Just here to say "nice work" on the State Parks article. I'm on the other side of the planet but had a look at it after all the vfd discussion. Glad to see it is full of useful stuff. Pashley 11:51, 24 July 2007 (EDT)


Hey, where'd you find the pics of Louisville? I've been meaning to take some, but never got around to it. -- Fastestdogever 09:30, 17 July 2007 (EDT)

Leamington (Ontario) vs Leamington

FYI - On towns like this where there are a very few small ones with the same name (and actually anytime the name hasn't been used already in Wikitravel you should probably do this) don't use the disambiguated version (the first one above), just cop the name for your article like the second one. Whoever makes the second article with that name should disambiguate both, make a disambiguation page and list that at Wikitravel:Links to disambiguating pages. Thanks. And thanks for your continuing work in that area. OldPine 16:59, 2 August 2007 (EDT)


Thank you for your message on my ja: user page, however, I have no idea what exactly you are talking about. What did I do wrong??--Shoestring 10:55, 4 August 2007 (EDT)

Nothing, I thought I did. 2old 11:23, 4 August 2007 (EDT)
Shoestring added {{Location|somewhere}} tag to uncategorized images. It's good for someone wishes to find images for articles on other language version, when someone follows links from Shared main page to a category for wished destination. When you use a {{Imagecredit|...}} tag for your image, the Location tag is not needed. Because its location= field calls the Location tag internally, so the same categorization occurs. I think that the Imagecredit tag looks fine and is good for formatting, so please use the Imagecredit tag rather than the Location tag. -- Tatata 13:29, 4 August 2007 (EDT)

Those images

Hello Mike, I want to say again that thank you for the photos!

Going on to the main subject, I may not understand your true intent, but I have to say something about this... The license of the text and the images by the contributor is currently not clear. Still I am suspicious of him/her, though it said "I have all the rights". Maj tried to contact, but I have not heard the result from her at this time. -- Tatata 11:33, 4 August 2007 (EDT)

My true intent, is to contact the creator. Those were as good as it gets, in my mind. I would like to know how to use photoshop to remove haze from photos. I know it can be done as well as removing yellow from old photos. I know how to do the yellow thing, but cannot find the haze remover tool. 2old 11:40, 4 August 2007 (EDT)
Sorry for misunderstanding. There is a photo credits page on the site, but it's hard to reach the real creator. [2]
About Photoshop, Japanese page of Adobe Photoshop 7.0 said that the Tone Curve function is used for faded/discolored photos. Sorry this is my limit because I have never used it... ;=) I'll go to bed tonight. Have a good day! -- Tatata 13:32, 4 August 2007 (EDT)

Images on shared:


I left messages on your shared: talk page about images without a license and VFD. -- Tatata 23:17, 20 August 2007 (EDT)

Bzz. bzzz Bz

Bzzzz Bz zzzzz Bz Bzzzzz? Workerbee 13:38, 24 August 2007 (EDT)