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==2016 Park Changes==
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A number of very significant changes are occuring in 2016 to Yosemite.  This article will be in need of major adjustments.  The concession is changing from DNC Parks and Resorts to Aramark.  The Mariposa Grove is undergoing changes that will lead to permanent facility closures, and the merced river plan will change recreation offerings (including the removal of the stables in Yosemite Valley).  On a positive note, Yosemite will also be a focal point for NPS 100th anniversary festivities in 2016.  Please note changes here as they are made.  -- [[User:Desertgranite|Desertgranite]] 02:56, 29 Dec 2015 (PST)
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==Yosemite Falls==
 
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:Even better, [[:WikiPedia:Yosemite Falls]] not only says it is the sixth as you mentioned, but the image caption in the article says it's the 18th.  Totally agree with "one of the world's highest." -- [[User:Cjensen|Colin]] 20:50, 9 November 2006 (EST)
 
:Even better, [[:WikiPedia:Yosemite Falls]] not only says it is the sixth as you mentioned, but the image caption in the article says it's the 18th.  Totally agree with "one of the world's highest." -- [[User:Cjensen|Colin]] 20:50, 9 November 2006 (EST)
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I live and work in Yosemite National Park. Yosemite Falls is in fact the highest waterfall in North America at almost 2500 vertical feet of rise over the three different stages. That makes the falls the 5th highest in the world. Just some clarification for anyone that was interested. {{unsigned|Jpete2296}}
  
 
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if you bring your own bikes can you carry them onto the shuttles instead of conjuring a parking place on Valley floor?
 
if you bring your own bikes can you carry them onto the shuttles instead of conjuring a parking place on Valley floor?
  
: I don't think it was missed so much as no one who was a biker has yet edited this article.  Feel free to take a look at http://www.nps.gov/yose/trip/biking.htm (it is public domain so can be copied) and add any relevant info to this page.  Also, if you create an account and log in it makes conversations easier, and you can sign your posts with four tildes (<nowiki>"~~~~"</nowiki>).  Or not, just a suggestion! -- [[User:Wrh2|Ryan]] 13:59, 31 May 2006 (EDT)
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: I don't think it was missed so much as no one who was a biker has yet edited this article.  Feel free to take a look at http://www.nps.gov/yose/planyourvisit/biking.htm (it is public domain so can be copied) and add any relevant info to this page.  Also, if you create an account and log in it makes conversations easier, and you can sign your posts with four tildes (<nowiki>"~~~~"</nowiki>).  Or not, just a suggestion! -- [[User:Wrh2|Ryan]] 13:59, 31 May 2006 (EDT)
  
 
==What to Bring==
 
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[[User:64.81.68.198|64.81.68.198]] 17:23, 28 June 2006 (EDT)Bloody Rox
 
[[User:64.81.68.198|64.81.68.198]] 17:23, 28 June 2006 (EDT)Bloody Rox
  
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You can rent bikes in shops in the valley. However...There aren't many trails that they actually allow riding on. Your much better off strapping a pack to your back and hitting up some of the 800 miles of hiking trails. {{unsigned|Jpete2296}}
  
 
==Maps==
 
==Maps==
 
Can someone link a few good maps of the valley area?
 
Can someone link a few good maps of the valley area?
  
==Restaurant updates==
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== Rental homes ==
 
 
Someone spent a lot of time updating the restaurant descriptions, and some of this information is helpful, but at the same time quite a lot of it reads like a rant.  Colorful reviews are fine, but it's probably also not good to be so negative as to sound like a bitter patron (see [[Wikitravel:Avoid negative reviews]] as well).  I've reverted (for now) and moved here, and hopefully some of this can be updated and put back into the main article.
 
 
 
* <eat name="Ahwahnee Dining Room" alt="" address="" directions="" phone="+1-209-372-1489" email="" fax="" url="http://www.yosemitepark.com/Dining_AhwahneeDiningRoom.aspx" hours="" price="" geo="" tags="">An upscale restaurant in Yosemite Valley serving breakfast, lunch and dinner.  Be aware that there is a "resort casual" dress code for dinners, meaning shorts and jeans are not acceptable attire, and that dinner reservations are recommended. At the far end of the dining room is The Alove, which features a 30 foot floor to ceiling window that perfeclty frames Yosemite Falls. There are only 4 tables in The Alcove. Two of these tables have names, The Honeymoon table and The Queens table. The Honeymoon table seats 2 and is placed against the massive window. The Queens table is probably the most coveted tabel in the dining room. It seats 4 people and is placed in the center of the alcove. This table offers the best view of yosemite falls in the dining room. It is also a notoriously hard table to get. </eat>
 
  
* <eat name="The Mountain Room" alt="" address="" directions="" phone="" email="" fax="" url="http://www.yosemitepark.com/Dining_MountainRoom.aspx" hours="" price="" geo="" tags="">Open daily year-round, this dining room is located in Yosemite Lodge and offers dinner with a view of Yosemite Falls. A significant portion of its menu includes organic and sustainable food. Food and service that's just as good as the Ahwahnee with menu prices that are 20% less and without that pesky dresscode (dig out them Bermuda Shorts).  </eat>
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As the article notes, there are a number of private rental homes available in the park.  Today I removed two listings ([http://wikitravel.org/wiki/en/index.php?title=Yosemite_National_Park&curid=1269&diff=1812672&oldid=1812664] and [http://wikitravel.org/wiki/en/index.php?title=Yosemite_National_Park&curid=1269&diff=1812674&oldid=1812672]) that were for single homes - this is a star article, and per [[Wikitravel:Goals and non-goals]] it shouldn't be a yellow pages, but should instead feature items of the most use to travelers. I'm afraid that listing individual properties is a [[Wikitravel:Slippery slope|slippery slope]] towards an article that is less focused on travelers and more focused on providing exposure for property owners, but am starting a discussion in case others feel that a revert was inappropriate. -- [[User:Wrh2|Ryan]] &bull; ([[User talk:Wrh2|talk]]) &bull; 20:45, 11 January 2012 (EST)
  
* <eat name="Yosemite Lodge Food Court" alt="" address="" directions="" phone="" email="" fax="" url="" hours="" price="" geo="" tags="">Serving cafeteria-style meals in Yosemite LodgeOffers breakfast, lunch and dinner year-round. The executive chef of the Mountain Room is also in charge of the food in this facility, and it really shows that he puts all his efforts into the Mountain Room,</eat>
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: Yosemite West, a private community inside the gates of Yosemite park, is unique.  Unlike Wawona that has one central rental company and Foresta with a similar system, Yosemite West has numerous individual companies representing 1-4 homes/units -- examples Cozy-bear.com, PineArbor.com, http://yosemitewest.com/falcon.htm, http://yosemitewest.com/sun.htm, http://yosemitewest.com/top.htm, and Red Door to list a few.  Yes, there are large rental groups too, but with 20 homes being build in Yosemite West this year and the building of Yosemite Institute new campus adjacent Yosemite West nearing completion, the number of independent rentals will increase.  In fact, the county has written this small rental system method into the Mariposa General Plan, which will force most large rental groups to disband.
  
* <eat name="Pavilion Buffet" alt="" address="" directions="" phone="" email="" fax="" url="" hours="" price="" geo="" tags="">Located in Curry Village, this buffet offers both a breakfast and a dinner buffet.</eat>
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: What I suggest is we make a Yosemite West section as you have done with Wawona (which is both private and park properties).  As you know, there are hiking trails in Yosemite West as outlined in this wikipedia -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yosemite_West,_California as well as historic sites of Henness Ridge. 
  
* <eat name="Curry Village Taco Stand" alt="" address="" directions="" phone="" email="" fax="" url="" hours="" price="" geo="" tags="">Burritos, tacos, nachos, ice cream and beverages. Open Seasonally from April to October. </eat>
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: [[User:Peterparr|Peter]] &bull;([[User talk:Peterparr|talk]]) &bull; 8:025, 12 January 2012 (EST)
  
* <eat name="Curry Village Pizza Patio" alt="" address="" directions="" phone="" email="" fax="" url="" hours="" price="" geo="" tags="">Pizza and saladsOpen March through December. The product offered is nearly identical in quality and price as the Loft, however if alot, and I do mean alot, of lound, obnoxious people aren't your cup of tea, avoid this place like the plague.</eat>
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:: My concern is that including individual property listings would just be a spammy list of properties that may or may not meet Wikitravel's existing [[Apt|guidelines on rental listings]]Similarly, if this is a private community then I'm not sure including an entire section on it within the park article is appropriate since it would not be accessible to most park visitors, correct?  I've been to Yosemite dozens of times, and my understanding is that these private communities within the park are mostly managed as inholdings separate from the rest of the park and not places that the vast majority of visitors would ever go to.  If that's the case, then '''briefly''' mentioning them and providing some guidance on how a visitor would access these areas might be appropriate, but I'd be uncomfortable with anything more than brief mentions.  Alternately, if Yosemite West is going to essentially be a small town within the park, maybe a separate article like what is done with [[Lee Vining]] or [[El Portal]] would make the most sense... -- [[User:Wrh2|Ryan]] &bull; ([[User talk:Wrh2|talk]]) &bull; 11:35, 12 January 2012 (EST)
  
* <eat name="Curry Village Ice Cream & Coffee Corner" alt="" address="" directions="" phone="" email="" fax="" url="" hours="" price="" geo="" tags="">Open March through December.</eat>
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::: Ryan, you are limiting your readers to DNC housing by ignoring Foresta and Yosemite West alternatives.  Your article includes The Redwoods in Wawona, a large private rental operation.  Yosemite's Four Seasons and Scenic Wonders offer for rent a large number of cabins (each with 75+ units) in Yosemite West.  If they  were added to your listing, would you leave them in your article?  - : [[User:Peterparr|Peter]] &bull;([[User talk:Peterparr|talk]]) &bull; 9:16, 12 January 2012 (EST)
  
* <eat name="Village Grill" alt="" address="" directions="" phone="" email="" fax="" url="" hours="" price="" geo="" tags="">Fast food in Yosemite VillageOpen from spring through fall. </eat>
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:::: Listing a small handful of agencies that visitors can use to rent private cabins in the park seems fine, including for Yosemite West, but as noted originally I'm uncomfortable with listing individual houses since that could easily turn into a list of dozens of properties and detract from the rest of the articleSimilarly, if the number of listings for rental agencies gets unwieldy (more than five or so) then I think this would need to be re-visited per the [[Apt|rental listing guidelines]] and the [[Wikitravel:Goals and non-goals|not a yellow pages guidance]]. -- [[User:Wrh2|Ryan]] &bull; ([[User talk:Wrh2|talk]]) &bull; 12:39, 12 January 2012 (EST)
  
* <eat name="Degnan's Loft" alt="" address="" directions="" phone="" email="" fax="" url="" hours="" price="" geo="" tags="">Open seasonally to the general public, offering pizza, salads and soups in Yosemite Village. Open to the public from April to October from 12pm to 9pm. Open only to park employees and residents November through March from 5pm to midnight (last call at 11:30pm). Pizzas and salads are available only from 5pm to 9pm. They also add pool tables and video games during the winter. They are removed during tourist season to maximize seating. </eat>
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::::: This seems reasonable. I will list the two largest rental groups in Yosemite West. [[User:Peterparr|Peter]] &bull;([[User talk:Peterparr|talk]]) &bull; 10:45, 12 January 2012 (EST)
  
* <eat name="Degnan's Cafe" alt="" address="" directions="" phone="" email="" fax="" url="" hours="" price="" geo="" tags="">Next to Degan's Loft, serving pastries, coffee and ice cream. Open Summer Season.</eat>
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Ryan, I have developed a wikitravel article on Yosemite West. Is it possible to link this article to yours [[User:Peterparr|Peter]] &bull; ([[User talk:Peterparr|talk]]) &bull;
  
* <eat name="Degnan's Deli" alt="" address="" directions="" phone="" email="" fax="" url="" hours="" price="" geo="" tags="">Open year-round and offering standard deli fare, located in Yosemite Village.</eat>
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: The new [[Yosemite West]] article looks good.  I would suggest linking it from the "Get out" section, and under the "Sleep" section (similarly to how towns like [[El Portal]] have been linked), with a few brief mentions elsewhere if relevant.  Similarly, since there is now a separate article the rental agency listings located in Yosemite West should be moved from this article to Yosemite West. Thanks for your work on this! -- [[User:Wrh2|Ryan]] &bull; ([[User talk:Wrh2|talk]]) &bull; 10:42, 21 February 2012 (EST)
  
* <eat name="Happy Isles Snack Stand" alt="" address="" directions="" phone="" email="" fax="" url="" hours="" price="" geo="" tags="">Offering drinks and snacks during the summer.  Located near the Happy Isles nature center. All the same snack goodies as they sell at the Village Store but with a slight mark up, 500%.</eat>
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::Your suggestion -> "I would suggest linking it from the "Get out" section, and under the "Sleep" section (similarly to how towns like [[El Portal]] have been linked), with a few brief mentions elsewhere"   --  That would be fine -- Could you do that on your site? I don't want to muck your site up.
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::Also thanks for the compliment! Also, one question that plagues visitors to Yosemite West is the access to it. Technically, it is outside the park yet its access is inside the park only.  Is there a way to clarify that on your site? Thanks  [[User:Peterparr|Peter]] &bull; ([[User talk:Peterparr|talk]]) &bull;  11:30, 21 February 2012 (EST)
  
-- [[User:Wrh2|Ryan]] &bull; ([[User talk:Wrh2|talk]]) &bull; 11:22, 7 February 2008 (EST)
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::: I've added references to [[Yosemite West]] in the "Sleep" and "Get out" sections, but please correct anything that needs fixing.  Also, one concern with the images on the Yosemite West article - you have uploaded them as "public domain" which means that you are saying that they are your own creation and you are allowing anyone to do anything they like with them.  However, maps and images with captions often come from other web sites, so to be sure these really are your own work, could you just confirm that you are the photographer of the pictures and the creator of the map?  Thanks! -- [[User:Wrh2|Ryan]] &bull; ([[User talk:Wrh2|talk]]) &bull; 20:55, 21 February 2012 (EST)

Latest revision as of 11:55, 29 December 2015

Here are archived discussions

2016 Park Changes[edit]

A number of very significant changes are occuring in 2016 to Yosemite. This article will be in need of major adjustments. The concession is changing from DNC Parks and Resorts to Aramark. The Mariposa Grove is undergoing changes that will lead to permanent facility closures, and the merced river plan will change recreation offerings (including the removal of the stables in Yosemite Valley). On a positive note, Yosemite will also be a focal point for NPS 100th anniversary festivities in 2016. Please note changes here as they are made. -- Desertgranite 02:56, 29 Dec 2015 (PST)


Yosemite Falls[edit]

Wikipedia lists this waterfall as the world's third highest and sixth highest. A user comment on the Image:Yosemitefalls.jpg image indicated that it was the fifth highest. Since it doesn't really matter to the article, let's just leave things as "one of the world's highest" unless someone can come up with a definitive rank. -- Ryan 01:15, 12 Jul 2005 (EDT)

Even better, WikiPedia:Yosemite Falls not only says it is the sixth as you mentioned, but the image caption in the article says it's the 18th. Totally agree with "one of the world's highest." -- Colin 20:50, 9 November 2006 (EST)

I live and work in Yosemite National Park. Yosemite Falls is in fact the highest waterfall in North America at almost 2500 vertical feet of rise over the three different stages. That makes the falls the 5th highest in the world. Just some clarification for anyone that was interested. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jpete2296 (talkcontribs)

Rafting[edit]

I've removed the section on rafting since according to http://www.c-w-r.com/information/yosemite-rafting.html there is no rafting on either the Tuolumne or Merced rivers within the park. -- Ryan 13:14, 16 Jul 2005 (EDT)

Yosemite Valley Image[edit]

Hopefully the new Yosemite Valley image works better, but as always feel free to change things around - the image change was supposed to be followed by a (tongue-in-cheek) "subject to Colin's stamp of approval", but work-related matters intervened and I got sidetracked. Also, I went through my Yosemite pictures and none seemed particularly noteworthy, but am always willing to include any of them in the article. -- Ryan 14:57, 1 Aug 2005 (EDT)

I had a change of heart about the main image, so I went digging through my stash of photos. Unfortunately I couldn't find anything that was iconic for Yosemite, but hopefully the new main image is OK - feel free to change if desired. I also removed an older image that was basically a close-up of a cliff with trees sticking into the frame - Yosemite is a really beautiful place, so we can probably do better. -- Ryan 17:36, 9 November 2006 (EST)

anyone have insight on biking in Yosemite?[edit]

Biking seems to have been missed.

where to rent bike trail map if you bring your own bikes can you carry them onto the shuttles instead of conjuring a parking place on Valley floor?

I don't think it was missed so much as no one who was a biker has yet edited this article. Feel free to take a look at http://www.nps.gov/yose/planyourvisit/biking.htm (it is public domain so can be copied) and add any relevant info to this page. Also, if you create an account and log in it makes conversations easier, and you can sign your posts with four tildes ("~~~~"). Or not, just a suggestion! -- Ryan 13:59, 31 May 2006 (EDT)

What to Bring[edit]

Can someone include information on what to bring (particularly for small day hikes)? Try to assume that there are inexperienced folks who just want to see the sites!

I also have some questions on safety issues...how safe is it for two young students of small stature to be travelling to Yosemite alone? We will be depending on Amtrak as we do not drive, and we are having trouble planning this trip!

Thanks. 64.81.68.198 17:23, 28 June 2006 (EDT)Bloody Rox

You can rent bikes in shops in the valley. However...There aren't many trails that they actually allow riding on. Your much better off strapping a pack to your back and hitting up some of the 800 miles of hiking trails. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jpete2296 (talkcontribs)

Maps[edit]

Can someone link a few good maps of the valley area?

Rental homes[edit]

As the article notes, there are a number of private rental homes available in the park. Today I removed two listings ([1] and [2]) that were for single homes - this is a star article, and per Wikitravel:Goals and non-goals it shouldn't be a yellow pages, but should instead feature items of the most use to travelers. I'm afraid that listing individual properties is a slippery slope towards an article that is less focused on travelers and more focused on providing exposure for property owners, but am starting a discussion in case others feel that a revert was inappropriate. -- Ryan • (talk) • 20:45, 11 January 2012 (EST)

Ryan:
Yosemite West, a private community inside the gates of Yosemite park, is unique. Unlike Wawona that has one central rental company and Foresta with a similar system, Yosemite West has numerous individual companies representing 1-4 homes/units -- examples Cozy-bear.com, PineArbor.com, http://yosemitewest.com/falcon.htm, http://yosemitewest.com/sun.htm, http://yosemitewest.com/top.htm, and Red Door to list a few. Yes, there are large rental groups too, but with 20 homes being build in Yosemite West this year and the building of Yosemite Institute new campus adjacent Yosemite West nearing completion, the number of independent rentals will increase. In fact, the county has written this small rental system method into the Mariposa General Plan, which will force most large rental groups to disband.
What I suggest is we make a Yosemite West section as you have done with Wawona (which is both private and park properties). As you know, there are hiking trails in Yosemite West as outlined in this wikipedia -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yosemite_West,_California as well as historic sites of Henness Ridge.
Peter •(talk) • 8:025, 12 January 2012 (EST)
My concern is that including individual property listings would just be a spammy list of properties that may or may not meet Wikitravel's existing guidelines on rental listings. Similarly, if this is a private community then I'm not sure including an entire section on it within the park article is appropriate since it would not be accessible to most park visitors, correct? I've been to Yosemite dozens of times, and my understanding is that these private communities within the park are mostly managed as inholdings separate from the rest of the park and not places that the vast majority of visitors would ever go to. If that's the case, then briefly mentioning them and providing some guidance on how a visitor would access these areas might be appropriate, but I'd be uncomfortable with anything more than brief mentions. Alternately, if Yosemite West is going to essentially be a small town within the park, maybe a separate article like what is done with Lee Vining or El Portal would make the most sense... -- Ryan • (talk) • 11:35, 12 January 2012 (EST)
Ryan, you are limiting your readers to DNC housing by ignoring Foresta and Yosemite West alternatives. Your article includes The Redwoods in Wawona, a large private rental operation. Yosemite's Four Seasons and Scenic Wonders offer for rent a large number of cabins (each with 75+ units) in Yosemite West. If they were added to your listing, would you leave them in your article? - : Peter •(talk) • 9:16, 12 January 2012 (EST)
Listing a small handful of agencies that visitors can use to rent private cabins in the park seems fine, including for Yosemite West, but as noted originally I'm uncomfortable with listing individual houses since that could easily turn into a list of dozens of properties and detract from the rest of the article. Similarly, if the number of listings for rental agencies gets unwieldy (more than five or so) then I think this would need to be re-visited per the rental listing guidelines and the not a yellow pages guidance. -- Ryan • (talk) • 12:39, 12 January 2012 (EST)
This seems reasonable. I will list the two largest rental groups in Yosemite West. Peter •(talk) • 10:45, 12 January 2012 (EST)

Ryan, I have developed a wikitravel article on Yosemite West. Is it possible to link this article to yours Peter • (talk) •

The new Yosemite West article looks good. I would suggest linking it from the "Get out" section, and under the "Sleep" section (similarly to how towns like El Portal have been linked), with a few brief mentions elsewhere if relevant. Similarly, since there is now a separate article the rental agency listings located in Yosemite West should be moved from this article to Yosemite West. Thanks for your work on this! -- Ryan • (talk) • 10:42, 21 February 2012 (EST)
Your suggestion -> "I would suggest linking it from the "Get out" section, and under the "Sleep" section (similarly to how towns like El Portal have been linked), with a few brief mentions elsewhere" -- That would be fine -- Could you do that on your site? I don't want to muck your site up.
Also thanks for the compliment! Also, one question that plagues visitors to Yosemite West is the access to it. Technically, it is outside the park yet its access is inside the park only. Is there a way to clarify that on your site? Thanks Peter • (talk) • 11:30, 21 February 2012 (EST)
I've added references to Yosemite West in the "Sleep" and "Get out" sections, but please correct anything that needs fixing. Also, one concern with the images on the Yosemite West article - you have uploaded them as "public domain" which means that you are saying that they are your own creation and you are allowing anyone to do anything they like with them. However, maps and images with captions often come from other web sites, so to be sure these really are your own work, could you just confirm that you are the photographer of the pictures and the creator of the map? Thanks! -- Ryan • (talk) • 20:55, 21 February 2012 (EST)