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For future reference the Wikitravel:CIA World Factbook 2002 import can be found at Talk:Ukraine/CIA World Factbook 2002 import.

Regions and Cities Names - Alternative Spellings

I noticed that one anonymous user made a spelling change to a city name, orphaned Doneck, then someone else put it back, duplicating the city in the list. I fear the next thing to happen is that another person will write a second article about the same place and decide it isn't in the list at all, so add a third spelling alternative. I do not want to be a revisionist historian, going around and changing all the new names back into the old ones (or vice versa), making a complete idiot of myself and offending the culturally (in)sensitive, so some suggestions are needed about what the cities and regions should (and could) be called before things go too far.

I have already identified the following alternative spellings for several of the Ukrainian cities and regions, such as:

  • Kiev can also be spelt either informally as Kyiv or more formally as Kyyiv
  • Doneck is apparently the soviet era name for the city named Donetsk or Donets'k, while the surrounding region is probably called Donets'ka (Oblast).
  • Odessa or Odesa, depending on who you believe. (Personally I think 2 ses is more traditional while 1 s is more recent.)
  • Sevastopol, has also been known historically as Sebastopol from before the Crimean war...

Also most of the regions are named after their main cities. Can we please reach a consensus on the regional and city names? Even the CIA and other authorities appear confused on this subject and at odds with the Google popularity contest. I feel I need to make some arbitrary decisions and would prefer not to do so. I would welcome some input from others. -- Huttite 19:51, 21 Jan 2005 (EST)

Looking into Getty resources
  • Kiev is English Preferred (English-P), so let's stick to that
  • Donetsk is preferred since 1961 (no English-P). Doneck is used for region.
  • Odessa is preferred (no English-P). They call the city Одєсса themself.
  • Sevastopol' is preferred (no English-P). Note accent after L.
-- JanSlupski 20:14, 30 Jan 2005 (EST)
Ukranians use Одєса while Russians use Одєсса. (One 's' instead of two) I don't know about the transliteration, but inside Ukraine they're trying to make the Ukranians transliterations count. I think it's clearer for a tourist to stick with the way it's written in Ukranian guides, but this means changing the majority of this site--Twopeak


"The cheaper the hotel, the larger the chance of some quite unfortunate surprises"

Anyone care to elaborate? 19:28, 9 Nov 2005 (EST)

Orange Revolution

Should a more detailed explanation of the Orange Revolution be provided? I was fascinated by the events - I still have International Herald Tribune newspapers detailing the revolution - and I think it would benefit the traveller to somewhat more fully understand the events of the revolution. I've prepared an explanation that can be viewed in my sandbox. Thoughts on that or the wording I've prepared? -- Sapphire 10:57, 8 November 2006 (EST)

BIG Mistake - monkeys

>One of the worst problems is that there have been frequent monkey attacts, and the Ukrainian government are having trouble controlling these rabid beasts.

THATS NOT TRUE, totally! Ukraine nature haven't monkeys, only in zoo!!!

Then remove it. -- Andrew H. (Sapphire) 18:56, 23 November 2006 (EST)

This contribution is half correct, half shallow disinformation (unintentional, I hope)

As I've lived in Ukraine for many years, I've been surprised by many things by what I've just read about this Quasi-Ukraine.

It seemed that the author(s) visited a country other than Ukraine. I think their Russia’s experience and obvious lack of education badly affected their impressions. And their texts…

Very quickly, just a few insufficiencies to begin with:

Let alone that author’s Very Big Mistake with Ukrainian monkeys (the author seems to drink more vodka/gorilka than aboriginal Ukrainians). By the way, I’ve never heard that black skinned people (some of which have been my friends for years) were called ‘monkeys’ in Ukraine. As to terrorists and attackers, this is clearly a big mistake (and obvious “import” from Russia by the author). Ukrainians have been tolerant and indulgent (probably too tolerant and indulgent).

Yes, Ukrainian girls and women are just prettier than those in most countries. I attribute so called “risk clothes” of Ukrainian women to their natural beauty and traditional Ukrainian taste, good breeding and delicate manners.

We do not rob foreigners. Criminality level is by far lower than that in the US. Ukrainians, even militia, is respectful towards foreigners, which are quite usual throughout Ukraine, especially after traveling to Ukraine became visa free.

University and secondary-school-level education level is still quite high and is NOT “lower every year”, and an ordinary Ukrainian school pupil, in general, knows much more than his/her Western counterpart..

We do not drink gorilka/vodka as much as it is claimed to be.

Neither do we use a lot of fat ingredients in cooking, even though our cuisine is rather delicious (foreigners' opinion). Most Ukrainians do not eat salo as their major food. (We prefer meat, fish with vegetables and potatoes, and diary products).

Our language is easier to learn than it's believed (even easier than Russian, estimation by a US linguist), as pronunciation and spelling are absolutely identical: pronounced is exactly what is written and vise versa (something that native and especially non-native English speakers are terribly envious of)!! Also, both Russian and Ukrainian are highly expressive, rich in meanings and nuances, and in general "created for poetry."

Ukrainians pronounce Одеса, not Одєса (Одєса, Одєсса do not exists). Одесса (with soft д) is the Russian spelling. So no credits earned!

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talkcontribs) 
Please, plunge forward and edit the page. --Evan 10:39, 27 November 2006 (EST)

Alexander Kupriyanchuk

Kyiv, Odesa, Lviv, Kharkiv, etc. vs Soviet-epoch spelling: Kiev, Odessa, Lvov, Kharkov, etc.

Kiev, Odessa, etc.: it’s better for these names to be replaced with Kyiv, Odesa and so on (having been already replaced on the official maps and in official documents).

After the US State Department legitimized Kyiv, the spelling derived from Ukrainian, in US official documents (so did earlier the European Commission, UN, not to mention dozens of governments in all continents), Kyiv started final ousting Kiev internationally.

The usage of Kiev will be gradually shrunk mainly to pro-Soviet (not pro-Russian) Donetsk & Sevastopol (as even some of Russia’s official documents in Eng start to read Kyiv). So the patriots and law-abiding citizens (obeying US laws if not Ukrainian ones) write Kyiv rather than Kiev.

P.S. Kyiv became a powerful and culturally rich city long before Moscow was even established. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talkcontribs)

We use the most common English name for all geographical areas, regardless of the newest official name. See Wikitravel:article naming conventions, Wikitravel:Why Wikitravel doesn't use official names. --Evan 10:41, 27 November 2006 (EST)

Eat photos

Anyone else suspicious that the photos in the Eat section are likely copyrighted commercial work? Also I think this article has too many photos in general... Texugo 23:04, 27 April 2008 (EDT)