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Downtown Categorization

IS wrong. The downtown under the article is equated with the CBD. The downtown is a much larger area than the CBD alone!!!

Stay Safe or Not

The stats are not specific to the victimization of tourists and the stats need some sourcing to check for accuracy and currency. If you're going to give any stat, it should be how many visitors per 100,000 are the victim of a crime, including vehicle theft, assault, robbery, murder, etc. Produce those figures for Toronto and the cities that you want to compare. For example, while NYC might have a higher homicide rate, the rate is not even across the entire city - the boroughs where the rate is high are not where tourists usually traverse unless they're intending to visit a high crime rate area. Also, if you're going to compare, how about comparing Canada to Germany - Canada's rate of murder is 3 times that of Germany. A fair comparison should indicate where Toronto is in relation to the lowest to the highest rates; by comparing only to the higher rates, you're giving a false impression. Also, don't compare to all the cities in the USA - do one major city from several different countries and perhaps compare Toronto to Montreal and the national rate. 00:50, 26 May 2006 (EDT)

So you're comparing Toronto to the whole country of Germany? Berlin, a similar sized city in Germany, has a considerably higher homicide rate at 4.4 per 100,000.

This article was the Collaboration of the week between 6 Mar 2006 and 12 Mar 2006.

Yes, I suck for changing "harbour" to "harbor". If someone has a better plan for spelling, please give it on Wikitravel talk:Manual of style. -- Evan 23:14, 7 Oct 2003 (PDT)

Yes, you suck. First, you can't change the name of a place, so Pearl Harbor is spelt that way no matter how silly it is, and Toronto Harbour is spelled *that* way no matter what you think. Second, do you really think Americans are going to be the main audience for wikitravel? Don't they have far more ways to find out what to see or visit? I'd rather suspect it would be those who don't speak much English desperately using web translator services and printing this page in a net cafe...

I agree that proper names should use their local spelling ("Harbour Centre" shouldn't be changed to "Harbor Center"). But that doesn't mean that when they're used outside of the proper name ("at the center of the harbor is...") we shouldn't follow our guidelines.
Do I think Americans are the main audience? No. But that's not why we use American spelling. We standardize on American spelling for consistency, and to avoid pointless edit wars. If you have a problem with the spelling policy, propose something different on Wikitravel:spelling.
Do I think that Americans have other sources for travel information? Of course. People in every country, who speak every language, have travel resources at their disposal (some good, some not so good). But they're not free, they're not realtime, and they're just not as good as ours.-- can you direct
I'd like to think that eventually we'll have different guides in different languages, so that people who only speak Navajo will still have quality travel information. --Evan 10:47, 19 Dec 2003 (PST)

Real real big "Eat" section

I wonder if it's time to separate Toronto into district articles. --Evan 10:50, 19 Dec 2003 (PST)


Is it "Mövenpick" or "Movënpick"? The hotel chain is called "Mövenpick", which is much more common on Google. -phma 22:48, 15 Jul 2004 (EDT)

Toronto to Chicago train

I do not think this is a very short trip.

This train is no longer running.

I'll make this change for you, but in the future please do feel free to edit the actual article. -- Mark 07:48, 29 Dec 2005 (EST)

Robbery Rates

"Toronto also ranks low, with 115.1 robberies per 100,00 people, compared to Dallas (583.7), Los Angeles (397.9), Montréal (193.9), New York City (490.6) and Washington, DC (670.6)."

Is this 115.1 per 10,000 or 100,000? per 100,000. However, only a Canadian, American, or someone from a crime plagued third world city would call that low and even find it "acceptable". Many European cities of similar size have robbery rates of 20 to 30 per 100,000 and they think of it as a huge problem! Same applies to murder rates and car theft which are a fraction of Canadian rates. But hey, as Canadians we tend to only compare ourselves to anyone we are "better" than, and ignore the rest.

Errr. Wrong. Our murder rates really are quite low for a city of our size ANYWHERE, although there are obviously places with lower crime yet. Our overall crime rate would be comparable to a moderate Western European rate.

Stay Safe Statistics

Is there updated murder rate available for Toronto? It's 6 years old and it's probably a lot higher. kingjeff


There are a number of local web sites offering reviews on Toronto restaurants, try:

Kensington Hostel

It should be noted that the Kensington Hostel is not open and is reportedly moving to a new location, per their website.

  • Now deleted, as website says no more than Kensington Castle is moving to a new, bigger, better location! Details coming soon. Please note that our old location on Bellevue Avenue is now CLOSED. Please add to relevant district page when new address is revealed - thanks.


If districts weren't counted against it, I think that this would be a guide. --Ravikiran 21:27, 12 March 2006 (EST)