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Regions

So, who's ready to tackle splitting up Thailand into regions? --Evan 12:23, 4 Feb 2004 (EST)

Maybe I can get somebody local to do it?--ted 18:35, 5 Feb 2004 (JST)
I went ahead and did it. Basically I followed the layout of the weather maps in the local newspapers. There seems to be some question about whether or not they are really needed. I won't be bothered either way. Regions? Yes, or no?
I think that we currently have too many regions. The Toursim Authority Thailand splits Thailand into only 5 regions. North, North-East, Central, East, South. I think that this is more reasonable. Splitting up the south into more regions may be reasonable for a weather forecast, since the weather tends to differ quite much, but is not needed for a tourist guide IMHO. -- Fido 19:25, 15 Sep 2004 (GMT+6)
Agreed and implemented (this had been on my to-do list anyway). Jpatokal 09:44, 15 Sep 2004 (EDT)
Should we change the name of South coast and Islands to South and Islands? I think that's reasonable because the region does not only consist of a coast and islands. Fido 10:47, 16 Sep 2004 (GMT+6)
Done. Jpatokal 04:06, 16 Sep 2004 (EDT)
Thanks for fixing my links Maj. I guess I still need to work on my mark up a bit. -- Ted 00:36, 25 Feb 2004 (EST)

Energy drinks

Red Bull actually is an original Thai drink (Krating Daeng is actually "red water buffalo" and the logo is exactly the same). In 1987 an Austrian businessman named Dietrich Mateschitz made a deal to introduce the product worldwide, and tweaked the formula (taste and carbonation). The original Thai company owns 52% of the new Red Bull which is based in Austria.

Correct on all counts, except that krating is an 'ordinary' bull, not a water buffalo (which would be kwai). And thanks to the deal, the guy who owns the Thai company in question is listed in the Forbes billionaires list... Jpatokal 20:51, 10 Jul 2005 (EDT)

In the section on Energy drinks. It says that red-bull is thailand, an Austrian I met in Singapore told me that it is Austrian and the red-bull website seems to confirm this ([1]). Does anyone have any evidence to counter this? Suggesting that red-bull isn't from thailand to a thai, seems to offend them. --211.30.93.57 00:56, 20 Apr 2005 (EDT)

As the Red Bull site states, the Austrian guy came across the original Krating Daeng in Thailand and remarketed it as Red Bull. The company is joint-owned by Austrian and Thai concerns.
The article also says Thailand is the original home of energy drinks, but I would bet Japan had them much earlier. -- Paul Richter 01:09, 20 Apr 2005 (EDT)
A few years ago I was on the receiving end of a phone survey about energy drinks. Apparently any drink with sugar and caffeine in it (e.g. Coca-cola or coffee if you take it with sugar) counted as an "energy drink". So I guess it depends on your definition of energy drink. WikiPedia:Energy drink --Ewlyahoocom 23:04, 1 May 2005 (EDT)
Introduction of energy drink to Thailand,was done by Osotsapha Co.,who manufactured Lipovitan-D under license from Japan. Then the market grew, with local Thai Brands coming into the scene, Osotsapha's brand was MAGNUM, TC Pharmaceutical was Red Bull. As for the Austrian guy, biz rumors has it that, actually, the guy went ahead and copied and marketted it in Austria, with the logo and brandname intact, as Red Bull, without licensing it from the brand owner in Thailand. Following the unexpected worldwide success of Red Bull, the Thai owner started suing the company in Austria on brand infringement. The Austrian company must have checked with lawyers and find that they could lose it all, so they negotiated with the Thai owner and gave part of the Austrian company shares to Thai owner, and after that, they also divided market segments. Thai owners would be selling in S.E.Asia and Central Asia, while Red Bull Austria would market to the rest of the world. -- 4 May 2006
I've lived in Thailand throughout the 1980's and know that Kratingdaeng was widely sold long before Westerners became familiar with it. Lipovitan D was the first of those kind of drinks. Then came Kratingdaeng, and then there were big advertising wars between Kratingdaeng and Magnum, with each brand trashing one another in "redneck" television commercials. Magnum took a blow when one of their chief endorsers, champion boxer KhaoKor, fainted in the ring during a fight with a Korean. Although these "stamina" drinks originated in Japan (and possibly the Japanese got the idea from somewhere else), Kratingdaeng, literally "bull that is red" and the famous charging bulls logo is absolutely Thai in origin. I have drank it in the early 1980's, definitely before the formation of any Austrian Redbull company. All these kinds of drinks were typically working class drinks. Truck drivers, taxi drivers, factory workers, etc. all imbibed them in prodigious quantities. The upper classes of Thailand would avoid these drinks, looking down on them as "redneck" beverages.

Koh vs Ko for islands

Wikitravel:Romanization currently states that "Koh" should be used over "Ko", but the esteemed Sir-Madam 202.47.247.130 has decided to change these back to "Ko". Please explain your reasoning; I think that "Koh" is both more common and more likely to be pronounced correctly. Jpatokal 11:42, 6 Dec 2005 (EST)

Bump. I'd really, really like to hammer this out once and for all and would even be willing to flip back once again from Koh to Ko if we can just come to a consensus. Jpatokal 03:54, 28 Dec 2005 (EST)

Instant consensus:-

  • guidebooks that use "Ko"
    • DK-Eyewitness
    • Globetrotter
    • Insight-Discovery
    • Let's Go
    • Lonely Planet
    • Periplus Travelpack
    • Rough Guides
  • guidebooks that use "Koh"
    •  ?

I think there's been a general shift from "Koh" to "Ko" with publications over the last few years.

  • maps that use "Ko"
    • B&B
    • Collins
    • Lonely Planet
    • Nelles
    • Periplus
    • Roadway
  • maps that use "Koh"
    • Groovy Map

Berlitz use "Ko" (not sure if that's for maps or books or both or what).

Thai people are more likely to write "Koh"; non-Thais are more likely to write "Ko".

"Ko" is more common in Thailand on signs, buses, boats, advertisements, in magazines, etc.

"Koh" gets more google hits (the actual ratio varies a lot between different islands - no idea why).

"Ko" is currently more common at wikitravel.org - despite the actual article names.

"Ko" and "Koh" are about equally common at thorntree.lonelyplanet.com

Neither "Ko" not nor "Koh" is likely to inspire a non-Thai to pronounce the word anything like Thais do; however "Ko" tends to produce something shorter sounding (but usually still not short enough).

If you rename the main articles, I'll take care of the links, redirects, etc.

BTW "Ko(h) Pha Ngan" is more common than "Ko(h) Phangan" or any other variation.

(Koh Kong should remain as it is, as "Koh" is pretty much universal for Cambodian islands)

OK, that's good enough for me. "Ko" it is once again then. Jpatokal 04:36, 31 Dec 2005 (EST)
Updates to links / redirects / etc now done.
The seven articles that need renaming are the seven islands listed in Thailand#Other_destinations - all Koh -> Ko, except Koh Phangan which should be changed to Ko Pha Ngan.

And finally, Ko is the RTGS spelling. −Woodstone 18:02, 15 Jan 2006 (EST)

I live in Thailand and have to say that the sound of Ko in Thai is the same sound as the UK 'got' without the t, but with a low tone, since it is a short syllable.
The closest representation would therefore be 'Ko'. 'Koh' softens the 'o', and lengthens the vowel which is much further away from the Thai. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 58.8.14.177 (talkcontribs) 20 Jan 2007
Yes, Wikitravel is now standardized on "Ko". Jpatokal 06:37, 20 January 2007 (EST)

Singapore Map?

The location map of Thailand is in fact the location of Singapore. There is a good map of Thailand on Wikipedia. I'm too busy (read: lazy) to create an account and upload it. Could someone please do that? 61.90.155.15 10:45, 18 May 2006 (EDT)

Well spotted, and now fixed. Jpatokal 10:50, 18 May 2006 (EDT)

Currency

Seems to be no real consistency in how prices are denoted throughout the Thailand articles. I have seen it as Baht 999, 999 baht, B999 and 999 THB. There are probably other examples as well. Anybody got an opinion - I don't mind so much which but we should be consistent. Hkpatv 04:09, 12 July 2006 (EDT)

As the currency has such a short friendly name, makes sense to use it as opposed to an abbreviation - so: 999 baht 125.24.4.216 05:45, 12 July 2006 (EDT)
Lower case not upper? Have seen examples of both 999 baht & 999 Baht here and elsewhere.Hkpatv 20:19, 13 July 2006 (EDT)
I prefer "baht". It's not a proper name requiring capitalisation like "Fred" or "Shropshire" or "Bay Area Transit Authority"; it's just a word, a unit of measure like "liter" or "ounce" or "cubit". - Todd VerBeek 20:28, 13 July 2006 (EDT)
Agree, lower case - "baht" ~ 58.8.10.74 23:20, 29 October 2006 (EST)

Prostitution?

Isn't there a Wikitravel policy against including "sex tourism" related topics on Wikitravel? If so, why is there a section of this article titled, "Prostitution"? EmbrunOntario 22:40, 25 July 2006 (EDT)

See Wikitravel:Sex tourism policy and its corresponding talk page. I haven't studied them, but you seem interested so I thought I'd point them out. -- Ilkirk 22:45, 25 July 2006 (EDT)
Per the policy, information that is not directly related to the prostitution aspect can remain -- for example, safety issues or mere gawking are acceptible topics. Check out the policy and see if you feel it is being applied appropriately. -- Colin 22:53, 25 July 2006 (EDT)

Foreign & Commonwealth Office Warning

Shouldn't this be noted somewhere? http://www.fco.gov.uk/servlet/Front?pagename=OpenMarket/Xcelerate/ShowPage&c=Page&cid=1007029390590&a=KCountryAdvice&aid=1013618386505

Already listed in Thailand#Civil conflict, no? Jpatokal 22:48, 15 August 2006 (EDT)

Coup Border Crossings

I'm in Maesot. The Friendship bridge to Myanmar has reopened, and I believe all other borders are as well. Can someone else confirm, so the warnings can be removed.

222.123.17.233 23:00, 3 October 2006 (EDT)

Any confirmation from Three Pagodas Pass? ~ 203.144.143.8 23:09, 3 October 2006 (EDT)
If the country has returned to normalcy can we remove the ugly warnings? — Ravikiran 09:57, 14 October 2006 (EDT)
How a bout just moving the wrning to the stay safe section and reminding travellers to stay away from demonstrations, especially while marshall law is in effect. Any Ideas? Felixboy 11:48, 31 October 2006 (EST)
Martial law was never declared, even during the coup. And staying away from demonstrations is always a good idea. ~I'm starting to think the warning could be downgraded to a line or two in "History"... Jpatokal 12:56, 31 October 2006 (EST)
Martial law was declared on September 19/20 and has not yet been lifted. The "political gatherings are limited to five people" restriction has been eased (now permitted indoors). ~ 203.144.143.9 18:37, 31 October 2006 (EST)
Oops; I stand corrected. Not very relevant to the average tourist though (unless their last name is Thaksin). Jpatokal 23:04, 31 October 2006 (EST)

Cities

Hat Yai is only a gateway, Mae Hong Son is much more important from a tourist's point of view I think. --Flip666 18:53, 10 November 2006 (EST)

Hat Yai is a major tourist destination for Malaysians, but backpackers. Mae Hong Song is not a major city (in size or tourism), but maybe it could be added under "Other destinations"? Jpatokal 03:37, 11 November 2006 (EST)

Emergency numbers

Does anyone know emergency numbers, e.g. police, ambulance, etc.? --Flip666 writeme! • 07:30, 3 May 2007 (EDT)

Emergency number in Thailand are 191 (Police), 199 (Fire Fighter).

Hey, great

The "hey, great beaches" bit has been there forever (I think Evan originally put it there?), and IMHO it serves to liven up what would otherwise be a really dull straight-from-the-tourism-authority intro. Jpatokal 22:13, 24 May 2007 (EDT)

Taxi meters

I've spent well over a year in Bangkok, the last time in May, and getting metered taxis is generally no problem at all. If one cabbie balks (and usually only the sleazebags outside hotels etc try to pull this), get the next one. Cabbies like to complain, but you don't have to believe them -- eg. one popular line is to complain that gasoline is really expensive now, when every cab in BKK is actually running on CNG! The airport fixed price cars are limos, not taxis. Jpatokal 12:09, 11 July 2007 (EDT)

Page locks up when printing

I don't have a problem with Phom Pehn, Bangkok, Angkor, Siem Reap, or Cambodia. This page locks up Firefox. I tried making the page shorter, but that didn't help. short page 00:00, 20 December 2007 (EST)

This is a problem with your browser, not with Wikitravel. --Peter Talk 00:01, 20 December 2007 (EST)