Difference between revisions of "Talk:Spain"
Latest revision as of 16:07, 19 February 2020
Links for research
Suggestion/Question for Sleep Section
I swore I either saw it here on Wikitravel or maybe it was on Wikipedia, but I can't seem to find it.
Wherever I found it, I recall that there are these monasteries in Spain that are reasonably priced that allow you to spend the night in the monastery with some monks (a lot like Shukubō in Japan).
Anyone know what I'm talking about? If so, maybe it should be added. --126.96.36.199
i ve honestly no idea what you re talking about but what i do know is that the guide "lonelyplanet" gives a great overview over the "youth hostels" in barcelona... i wouldnt wonder if that would be true for all lonelyplanet guides. good book shops even have them in english language in spain!
I think you are talking about " Hospederias" like el Monasterio de Santo Domingo de Silos in Burgos
So, I've checked a couple of other Web sites with region information for Spain:
We seem to be in rough agreement, I believe. --Evan 11:16, 17 Dec 2003 (PST)
About Languages in Spain
I am a Spaniard myself, so that I would like to comment (before editing anything) about the languages on the "Spain" page. Spain has one official language in the whole country (Spanish), which is spoken and understood by (almost) all the population. There are also three other coofficial languages in their respective regions (Catalonia, Basque Country and Galicia), which are spoken by a moderate number of people (catalan is, by far, the most spoken one of the three, and roughly 70% of the population in Catalonia can speak and understand it). The article seems to imply that Spanish is only spoken by ca. 74% of the population, which is totally inaccurate, an a likely source of trouble for people wishing to visiy my country. Could someone please change it to reflect the real stand of things? Thanks Miguel
-- More about languages in Spain: I'm a galician myself, don't know if a spaniard, and I would like to say that Catalan is not the most spoken regional language in tems of percentage in Spain. Galician language is talked as primary language by 80% of the our population, specially in the country areas, but it has less social recognition than Catalan, for instance. In some cities, specially in la Coruña, it's quite strange to hear it in the city center, but in virtually every small town, Galician is the first language for daily communication.
The Spanish Provinces
Spain subdivides it's regions into provinces. At the moment, I would feel that these are too small for Wikitravel and the regions would normally be all we would need. The problem is that the provinces all tend to be named after their main town. eg Malaga (city), Malaga (province), Granada (city), Granada (province), leading to confusion and disabiguation pages for all these places. Should we avoid creating the province article where possible??? -- DanielC 10:29, 4 Jun 2005 (EDT)
Renfe, fastest connection
i would add it myself but i cant express properly what i mean so i ll just give you an example:
If you wanna go from Barcelona to Salmanca (a town between madrid and portugal) the RENFE Homepage and the personal at the trainstation will only give you the DIRECT connection between Salamanca and Barcelona. They dont look up if it would be faster to take a train to Madrid and from Madrid to Barcelona. (or if the direct train is full)
I ve no clue why they dont do that...
So: You may wanna add that...
Topics, topics and more topics
This article is fulfilled with topics. E.g, it is said that southern Spain (Andalusian Country) is mostly desert.That's FALSE. Andalusia has high-mountain zones and very-green ones. The desert zone is Almeria, in eastern Andalusia.
Who has written it?
Toooooooooo many cities!
Who knows enough to edit down the city list to 9?
Here's a start...
Cacahuate 11:14, 16 December 2006 (EST)
The region list needs to be simplified. The official autonomous regions are sensible travel regions, but there's just too many of them listed here to get a handle on (the old 5-to-9 rule). Since one of the fundamental geocultural divisions of Spain are its language groups, I'm proposing that we use that as the top level. This means taking a lot of majority-Castillian territory and lumping it all together, and to a lesser extent with Catalonian Spain, but those regions can be broken down into the smaller autonomous regions. My knowledge of Spanish geography is all textbook-based, so please correct me if there are serious problems with this hierarchy:
I think this is a good breakdown, but we usually try to keep the names as short as possible... I would suggest:
And then for the non-Iberian part, I would simply list those islands and enclaves under "other destinations"... I would only create a top-level region for them if they were all near each other and grouped together well as a region. Nice work! – cacahuate talk 16:30, 20 September 2008 (EDT)
I agree with cacahuate, those region names look a lot better.
I even think Eastern Spain and Northeastern Spain could be combined, as both are Catalan regions. Combining Northwestern Spain and Northern Spain wouldn't be so bad as well I think. Globe-trotter 17:24, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
"Central Spain" is too much diverse. For instance, Badajoz and Soria have very little, if nothing, to do, beside the low population density. Also, Madrid is way too different in many aspects; perhaps I didn't understand which criteria is being applied here. 188.8.131.52 10:26, 12 September 2009 (EDT)
North African enclaves
With the Balearic and Canary Islands (rightly) being top-level regions now, I think it's time to ditch useless and confusing Non-Iberian Spain "region" altogether (and that's a semi-orphaned page only linked from this discussion page, anyway). That leaves us two North African cities (Ceuta and Melilla) and some islands in the Mediterranean with no region assigned. I don't really like having them listed in the "Other destinations" section, a distinction based solely on geography (and they are not "other destinations" in the strictest Wikitravel sense anyway), and I'm not really a fan of the idea of having cities directly under the country level in the hierarchy with no intermediate regions. So, what about a region article named North African enclaves, or if that's too ambigious more explanatory but long-winded Spanish North African enclaves? (North African Spain may work, too, but users may think that should include Canary Islands.) I think I can put up a reasonably general article for this region, with at least some sections filled out. – Vidimian 10:08, 17 November 2010 (EST)
I think this is an interesting way of combining the Spanish regions (see map). Murcia, Ceuta and Melilla would join Andalucía and make a region called Southern Spain. Aragon would join Northern Spain. Catalonia, the Valencian Community and the Balearen could form a Eastern Spain region.
I think these groupings make a lot of sense. The Catalan communities are grouped together: they share a language and culture, and many tourists drive their car along the coast combining Catalonia and Valencia. Aragon is not a beach destination and thus feels more "inland": that makes it fit better with the other Northern Spanish communities. And it gives a solution for Ceuta and Melilla in the South. --globe-trotter 13:12, 6 February 2011 (EST)
guidelines on Eat sections of spanish cities
<placeholder for what we've agreed so far>
After reading and editing a dozen of articles on Spanish cities, I came to conclusion that we need some guidelines on how to describe Eat general info and listings. Here's what I came to at the moment:
I would welcome any comments, additions and objections on the above.
Another thing is how to make editors of any Spanish city aware of the guidelines we agree upon. I would welcome any ideas on that. --DenisYurkin 15:29, 21 October 2007 (EDT)
seafood notice is too generalized
> Spaniards are very concerned about the freshness of seafood and you may place an order only to have the waiter tell you that he can not serve this dish, because they did not receive this particular seafood freshly that day. It is very unlikely that you will find dishes prepared from frozen fish in a real Spanish restaurant
This is not true for many touristic places around Barcelona and Aragon.
With exception to specialized seafood restaurants and few specifically reputated general restaurants, I would not list this as a general rule. Any objections to removing it in how it is written now? --DenisYurkin 17:00, 21 October 2007 (EDT)
1. 400 km away from the sea, you will find frozen seafood and fish unless you go to a expensive place (or unless you live in Madrid). But it cannot be forgotten that Spain is the 2nd consumer of fish in the world and generally we like it fresh - frozen fish is not exactly the same as "fish and chips". So even if it is frozen, and the quality cannot compete in Castilla with what you find in Galicia... in a not-so-bad place it is still of reasonable quality.
2. As a rule of the thumb, eating what is growth in the area is a good idea. Everywehere. So, why not make a comment on river-fish? Trouts are very popular and tasty in the inside regions. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 184.108.40.206 (talk • contribs)
My point is that, while we can dispute on quality of coffee at Star Bucks, theres no national chain which either has so many outlets or which is as consistent in its quality level as Star Bucks is. I would welcome to hear arguments and facts counter to my point. --DenisYurkin 17:50, 31 October 2007 (EDT)
The article gives no hints on local mineral water. Which are the tastiest? Most famous? Have highest content of minerals? Most rich in taste?
Any recommendations? ;-) -DenisYurkin 18:22, 9 November 2007 (EST)
At restaurants, bars, etc., people just order "mineral water" without reference to any specific brand. While shopping at the supermarket, choice is primarily governed by concerns such as price, availability, and even shape of container (5 litre and 8 litre bottles are most common, and different designs offer varying degrees of convenience, e.g., for transport or when pouring the contents). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 220.127.116.11 (talk • contribs)
You’ve asked four questions, none of which should be answered here, because every brand has at least a dozen people who would name that one. (If they didn’t, they would be out of business!)
> The name of this plate comes from its sharp flavor, indicating that it has fire or temperament, recalling the first operation of I goad in which a goad nails to him so that he is brave in the bullfight.
I'm not sure I understand what is all this about. What is goad here? And I goad? A goad nails to whom? --DenisYurkin 08:46, 10 November 2007 (EST)
Bravo = Brave, Fiery. "Brave Potatoes" (very very popular) --> strong, spicy, sharp. No idea whats a goad.
> Every city and town has at least one 24 hour pharmacy.
varieties of jamons
1. Looks like we have pieces from too many sources packed into a single paragraph on jamons:
Could someone add clarity on what's what, how they are different etc? Right now it's so complex that it's nearly useless
2. From my experience, two most cited sorts of jamon are Iberico (min €80/kg) and Serrano (~€25/kg).
Is there anything worthwhile between €25 and €80, or it's purely "25 or 80+" choice?
--DenisYurkin 21:22, 23 November 2007 (EST)
The cheapest is just Jamón Serrano (Serrano Ham), Jamón curado (cured ham), then more expensive is Jamón Ibérico (Iberian Ham) made from better pigs. Finally Jamón de Bellota (Acorn Ham) and Pata Negra (Black Hoof) made from pigs fed mostly with acorns, and extremely expensive. Jamón de Jabugo (a region of Spain) is another expensive variety. Tasting serrano ham will do for most tourist, but the taste of acorn black hoof ham is definitely delicious but expensive. Do not trust somebody offering you cheap acorn ham or pata negra. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jam%C3%B3n_serrano is not so bad, as well as its links to varieties of ham. 18.104.22.168 13:19, 19 December 2007 (EST)
pintxos counted by toothpicks
I heard that somewhere in Spain, you pay for pintxos postfactum, by the number of toothpicks you leave on the plate. I have never seen that in San Sebastian. Anyone experienced similar practice somewhere? Where is this a common practice? --DenisYurkin 06:42, 13 January 2008 (EST)
Re this edit :
> Stimorol chewing gum has been available for years
I couldn't find any in downtown of Barcelona and San Sebastian--maybe you refer to a specific city which is not on my list? --DenisYurkin 10:49, 5 July 2008 (EDT)
brands of toothpaste
"Some international brands you may be used to are not available in Spain: Blend-a-Med toothpaste or Dirol ( Stimorol chewing gum has been available for years) Bring in enough for your whole trip if you can't live without it." - is this paragraph really worthy of inclusion? Just wondering the proportion of visitors to Spain who are actually concerned about the availability of a particular type of toothpaste. Also the sentence seems to imply that these are things available in every country with a peculiar exception of Spain - surely not the case! Phonemonkey 09:50, 1 November 2008 (EDT)
finding any costume or food in every corner of the country
I've removed the following piece from this  edit, as it's way too general to be practically true for a traveler:
Please provide more details on what is meant before adding it back to the article. --DenisYurkin 14:32, 1 January 2009 (EST)
Tea and coffee chains
Starbucks, as stated in the article, is not the only national chain of coffee and tea, as also Café&Té operates in the main cities. I am pretty sure there may be one or two more chains, however.
Also, I think Starbucks is far from being only a place for tourists. Spain is indeed one of the most important european markets of the company and I usually find them crowded with both tourists and locals.
Seems to me that a “chain” is not important anyway. Any village bigger than two hundred has a place to buy coffee. Almost all of them make it the same way with the same machine and the same adjustments. Café con leche at least five hundred times, and only once did it taste different.
> Keep in mind that rental companies hold a large deposit ( up to 2000 Euros ) for vehicle rentals.
We need more specifics on this warning, as it counter to my own experience. Where, which rental company and for what car; did you provide a credit card or was it cash-only deposit and payment? I reverted it for a while from the article. --DenisYurkin 01:54, 18 November 2010 (EST)
Renting a car
"Consider having full-coverage insurance instead of franchise:" <-- What does this mean? I can make no sense of this statement. Please edit. 22.214.171.124 14:29, 9 September 2013 (EDT)
Get in entry requirements
In case anyone wants to know the source of my edits to include information about the visa exemption for 'Annex II' nationals to work during their 90 day visa-free entry, see this European Union document - . 126.96.36.199 17:41, 30 May 2011 (EDT)
Whatever left-wing self-righteous individual that keeps changing the section on bullfighting, PLEASE STOP. If you're from Catalonia, and you want people to know that in Catalonia it's outlawed update it in the Catalonia section. Whatever. In REAL SPAIN, it's a cultural heritage icon, and all of us have grandfathers that would think twice before giving the thumbs up to ban it. I say real Spain because it seems that every year, you pass a law to distance yourselves further and further away from Madrid.
Don't use words like "MOST" people to describe the attitude of Spaniards and bullfighting. It is a polemic issue, but just because you feel it to be a certain way, doesn't mean all of us agree with you. And yes, I am a young (26 yr old) Spaniard.
http://www.elpais.com/articulo/english/Bullfighting/is/caught/on/the/horns/of/national/dilemma/elpepueng/20110131elpeng_4/Ten —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 188.8.131.52 (talk • contribs)
Spain is not a Constitutional Monarchy (can read the spanish wikipedia). It's a BIG mistake that means "an autocratic regime" because the Constitution is given by the King to the people. Not in Spain, obviously. Please don't call us vassals (thx). —The preceding comment was added by 184.108.40.206 (talk • contribs)
Civil unrest in catalonia
I mean there is some political tension and it would be intelligent not to get into pointless arguments, but from there to "visitors should exercise extreme caution", I think this is rather exaggerated. In fact, I think that it is crazily exaggerated. —The preceding comment was added by Domalmorian (talk • contribs)
I wholeheartedly agree. The civil unrest warning for Catalonia is, at best, out of date. I believe the warning should be removed, or at least toned down about 10 levels. Chibike (talk) 08:43, 4 November 2018 (EST)
In the section towards the end in which mobile networks are mentioned, someone might want to add a link to https://prepaid-data-sim-card.fandom.com/wiki/Spain, which is far more comprehensive and constantly updated. I can't edit it because the page is protected. NFH (talk) 12:49, 26 April 2019 (EDT)
Racist statements in the article
The anti-gypsy statements about gypsy women seems to have been added by a racist or anti-roma person. Since it is unsourced it is likely invented and/or racist generalizing. I think it should be removed. —The preceding comment was added by Edasdf (talk • contribs)
False or obsolete info?
I find quite a few statements that this or that will happen or will be required, that I know to be false. I’m not sure how to edit them, because maybe they happen sometimes. But none of them have ever happened to me in seven or eight visits 2014–2019.