Difference between revisions of "Talk:South Korea"
Latest revision as of 22:44, 26 February 2020
Okay guys I've read the discussions below and the main page as I'm visiting Korea soon. It seems like you've cooked up more of a Korean fan page than a genuinely informative Wikitravel article.
For starters, things to do -`theres too much to list in one article`. Really? South Korea is a small country not well known for its stand out tourist sights, with the exception of Seoul, Jeju and the DMZ. A bullet point list of the must see places would be great, this is a wikitravel article not a Wikipedia article.
Also spurious facts, for example, that Korea stands alone as being the only country that uses metal chopsticks in Asia is both false and impertinent, stick to the useful info please.
Sorry if this comes across as chiding, I can see much effort has gone into the article, however it lacks the useful information and snapshot most travelers are looking for.
Finally, Japanese diets, bland? I've been traveling Japan for a month and living in Asia for a long time and can assure you Japanese food is not bland. Cut out the fan boy parts and keep to what wikitravel should be, factual.
Foreign English Teachers
We far outnumber military expats in Korea, and our rapidly growing numbers are having a significant impact on Korean ethnic makeup in urban areas. However this article mentions only the military as the significant western demographic. Also, as most people who want to visit this country do so by becoming an FET, I think this is a significant ommission.
Uhhh, the part about Koreans eating dog is a little offensive. It's like saying Americans are fat. How about we get a little more specific there please? Most Koreans DO NOT eat dog. It was done many many years ago, and the few that still do eat dog are just that, a FEW.
[Tim says:] Keep it real dude. Dog is eaten in Korean and that's a fact. Come to any semi large Korean city and walk less than a mile and you will find a place that will offer you dog meat if you know how to ask. Anyone who is inclined to eat dog will not have a problem here.
That being said, no it's not all that popular. Eating dog here is like eating oysters shooters or venison in the states. It's not in every restaurant, but it's not that tough to find.
If you can get over the stigma it's actually a pretty tasty dish. A bit greasy but a very hearty and succulent dark meat.
There is a Korean channel on our cable TV that sometimes runs foodie programs. Typically they show people from Seoul traveling into the provinces to try local specialties.
As extensive and informative as the food section already is, it would be interesting to learn about regional and local variations in Korean cuisine. It seems that with growing affluence, Koreans themselves are really starting to explore and appreciate this. Perhaps the more intrepid type of tourist could tag along. LADave 14:29, 21 September 2007 (EDT)
Separate food page?
Not sure how things work here, but is it possible to make a separate page on Food in South Korea? There is more information on food than there is about any other aspect of South Korea, which is kind of silly. Also, as I live in what is considered rural South Korea, I'm aware of various regional specialties. There are really only a few true specialties worth mentioning . . . others are just PR creations. If you browse the websites of towns and counties, you'll see that every one---EVERY SINGLE ONE---has a list of regional products and foods. Koreans also have a habit of saying "_________ is famous for ________," and media and others just eat it up. So, the amount of regional diversity is very little, and probably not worth delving into at any great length on the main page. I like the little introduction we have, and I think we really ought to havce a short overview on the main page. I also don't think the eating dog part is offensive, as it's a legitimate curiosity many travellers have. And it is pretty wide spread, and not confined to just a few people. As is evidenced every summer in the newspapers, people claim (tortured) dog is good for stamina and energy. Smee 22:24, 10 October 2007 (EDT)
Resentment Article: Korea and Japan relationship has improved ( Korea-Japan 2002 FIFA World Cup). Some Koreans or Korean nationalist resent Japanese government " covering up" Japanese military occupation of Korea for 35 years. ( School textbook and news media). Korea-China relationship is very poor status. Main reason is Koreans view China as communist regime and recently " Beijing Olympic Torch Run" in Seoul. The Chinese youth attacked Koreans. ( Not respecting Local culture). This has made Koreans view China much more negative then Japan. Yes, Koreans do have very strong political and cultural resentment toward Chinese and China. - —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Korean1Professor (talk • contribs)
Aren't we supposed to edit or has something changed?
Could someone explain why Superdog keeps removing links to the sites of the major airports? This is the second time I've tried putting links on the national page to South Korea and they have been removed. I thought we are supposed to make the pages more helpful to visitors not less.
Setting up links, cleaning up the page, making things easier for viewers was what I thought and read were the purpose of the site. I don't want to get into an edit war but I think this is a central point.
Rice: chopsticks vs spoon
Re: the chopsticks-vs-spoon bit for eating rice, South Korea is certainly the only East Asian country I know where it's considered acceptable to eat rice with your spoon -- both China and Japan use only chopsticks for this. (At least for plain steamed rice, fried rice etc is a different story.) Jpatokal 03:46, 11 June 2008 (EDT)
Strictly speaking, eating rice with spoon is actually the proper way to consume rice in Korea, though most people do eat rice with chopsticks nowadays.
220.127.116.11 07:17, 23 January 2009 (EST)
Eat: Etiquette: Slurping
Slurping your soup to show appreciation is actually a Japanese custom. Koreans who grew up during the Japanese occupation period 1910-45 and there soon after would have been influenced. Therefore those who are of an older generation would consider it acceptable but those under 40 do NOT find it acceptable and certainly not polite. Paula 21:38, 18 June 2008 (EDT)
Article was vandalised by "Hagger"
When I went to the South Korea page on August 1st, 2008 at 6:19 PM Central Standard time (Nebraska, United States), it comes up with a heavily hacked page with a weird background, basic Wikitravel stuff on the side, and a weird pic, above it is the text "This page has been vandalised by Hagger :)". On the top is some "Muhammad rapes little children...Muslims are terrorists" story. I don't know what happened, but when I figured out how to get to the "Edit" page, it showed what should be on the page.
I managed to override it by faking an edit to the article as a whole. Seems to work fine now.
- Be aware of actual Koreans, they will likely edit out anything they find offensive to the South Korea. Wikipedia articles about Korea faced heavy influence from them.
Police accept violence against foreigners to protect the purity of the race??? This is a highly questionable statement clearly based on some isolated incidents and representing only one viewpoint. In the interest of objectivity I feel this needs to be removed!! While in my experience in S Korea, I have certainly found a lack of knowledge of other cultures, i have not experienced any strong racism.
The statements made in the last half of the crime section seem extremely biased against Korea. I found that they were removed once, then added back in again by an "anon". Does anyone agree these lines should be removed? --18.104.22.168 12:15, 25 October 2009 (EDT)
The map is wrong, the region South Jeolla is called North Jeolla. Could anyone fix it? Globe-trotter 14:07, 14 December 2009 (EST)
Shortening the history section and removing questionable advices
The way I see it, the history section is a bit convoluted. I'd much prefer a cleaner looking page such as Russia. The North Korea article does not focus on ancient history, it begins with the Japanese annexation to the estalblishment of the DPRK. While I understand it's a shared history, the article here is about South Korea. It is in my opinion that the history of South Korea should reflect its name. --Quovadis 12:52, 3 March 2010 (EST)
Hi Quovadis! Please wait before you do any further mass deletions. In my view your changes are inappropriate to say at least. To write Japanese Invasion in inverted commas has a very onesided view of the history. Also other countries have longer history section to reflect the complicated nation building of that country. Have a look at Germany which has a similar difficult past of a splitted nation. List your issues here before you change the history section again. Otherwise, it will be seen as edit warring. jan 06:42, 3 March 2010 (EST)
I'll be puting in a relatively unchanged version of the history section. Although still a little longer than it needs to be. Let's see if this gets anywhere... --Quovadis 10:46, 3 March 2010 (EST)
Streamlining the Respect section
This is my proposed version of http://wikitravel.org/en/South_Korea#Respect
Things to do
Korea is a land of strict Confucian hierarchy and etiquette. As a visitor you will not be expected to know every nuance, but making an effort will certainly be appreciated.
Things to avoid
While Koreans understand that visitors may be unaccustomed to Korean culture and etiquette, there are some key aspects to avoid.
--Quovadis 10:29, 3 March 2010 (EST)
ATMs can be very picky
Australian ATM cards will typically work with Cirrus but not Plus. Visa cards will often incur more or greater costs than regular ATM cards at least if they are credit cards, I'm not sure about Visa debit cards. Also using a credit card will incur interest if you don't transfer money from another account to cover it promptly.
Given this I like to avoid using my Visa card whenever possible.
Now Korean ATMs can be very picky if you are trying to use a Cirrus card. Some ATMs only accept smart cards (with a chip). Others have a slot that takes smart cards and a separate area to swipe non-smart cards. The Korean machines that require me to swipe my card never work for me even if the machine has a Cirrus logo.
Citibank machines do work. I also found some machines within the Yongsan electronics market which worked with my cards. So far I have not found any ATMs in banks besides Citibank, in convenience stores such as FamilyMart, 7-Eleven, GS25, etc.
I hope this more detailed information is useful to others. — Hippietrail 06:39, 21 April 2010 (EDT)
Stability warning regarding March 2010 sunk ship
Should a warning be put in both South/North Korea about possible instability due to the March 2010 S. Korean ship that was sunk by N. Korea? WindowsNT 07:12, 4 June 2010 (EDT)
I understand the reason for no third party web-sites, but why is the link to the Hi Korea web-site always removed. It is clearly a government web-site, since the Korean immigration web-site links to the page, and it provides information on whether or not you need a visa for Korea. As far as I know, this is defnitely not touting, and it's definitely a primary source. Please check the link carefully before deleting it as spam, and if there is valid grounds for deletion, please post it here so I will know my mistake. Thank you. Superdog 12:26, 17 June 2010 (EDT)
Please be fair in the article.
I have noticed that if I even change the article to make the Japanese occupation of Korea more Neutral, it seems to be either deleted or changed back to the original "Japanese Bashing" article. I want to emphasize that we have to make this as neutral as possible. I am not Pro Japanese nor Pro Korean. I just think using excessive words like "brutal" "Horrific" to make the Japanese look like demons are uncalled for. What do you all think? Thanks.
Ok, finally getting around to fixing up the placeholder route boxes I slapped in earlier (except one article which I'm giving a 1 month cooloff period to on account of trolling, shame because theres an error in that one too). They're a bit messy, and I'm not sure how the Seoul Subway should be incorporated. I feel line 1, as it essentially follows the old Korail line pretty much needs featuring, but its a bit awkward at present with Seoul still undistrictified due to lack of content. I guess it'll improve with time.
So I'm mostly focussing on the KTX then. An argument could be given to including the regular lines as well, but its borderline enough on including all but 10 (+Yongsan and Gupo) of the KTX stations as it is due to lack of regular service. I've chosen to include the major stops on the Gyeongbu line as the ones that I believe every service stops at without fail, plus Ulsan and Shin-Gyeongju, at which every second service appears to stop. I'll be honest that I'm less familiar with the Honam line, so I'm pulling the majors out of my butt here. Iksan (closest KTX to provincial capital and major tourism city Jeonju) and Gwangju (one of the seven special metro cities) it is. Edit: Nope, cut Iksan, Ulsan and Shin-gyeongju. Just Seoul, Daejeon, Daegu, Busan, Gwangju, Mokpo and Masan.
I guess in turn, an argument could be given to slapping the toll expressway network on too but that'd be another project for another day (and I think if I were to bother with that, I'd preference doing Japan's similar equivalent first due to the increased hitchhiking benefits).
In case anyone wants to know where the data I'm using comes from, its from the latest (march 2011) KTX map in the KTX infl...inride? magazine, confirmed by monotonously going through _all_ the KTX options on a functional ticket machine (how rare these are) to check at least one service runs from Seoul to the location without a mugunghwa doubling back section on a given Friday. Why Friday? Arbitrary. This might sound a bit OTT, but unfortunately, KORAIL has a wonderful habit of advertising the KTX at stops that only run combo tickets with the mugunghwa, often incurring lengthy doubling-back rendering it slower than an equivalent express bus trip.
Now, the catch here is even with these failsafes, there are inconsistencies! Namely, the full dataset is as follows:
Old Gyeongbu South Spur to Busan
Gyeongbu South Spur to Masan
^^ services run, but not marked on map as KTX stop (is major stop on map) ^ services run, but not marked on map as KTX stop (is minor stop on map) + services run, but marked on map as minor KTX stop
Sigh. So I'm not sure what to do here. Osong is included for sure. No question there, this looks like a typo on KORAIL's part. The others... Hmm... I guess including them all? Edit: Nope, its ugly as sin. If some should be chopped, the single asterisk and plus annotated ones should go first I guess. Nonsan I'm tempted to inlcude for some reason. I think its because I've seen reference to using that station in itineraries, but it seems rather arbitrary.
Note that presentation gets really, REALLY complicated around Busan as the old Daegu-Gupo line still runs occasionally and even though its South Korea's equivalent to the Akita "shinkansen" con. Gah!!! If anyone wants to come up with a way to present that split nicely, please plunge forward.
Final listing to be used is:
檀君朝鮮 [KOREA 코리아 高麗國 고려+국 KORE+A(참고, AREA)] is a country in East Asia.
Constitutional Court of KOREA = [Empire of KOREA + the Republic of KOREA (코리아 공화제 高麗國 共和制) + Democratic People's Republic of KOREA (코리아 민주주의 인민 공화제 高麗國 民主主義 人民 共和制)]
UN Resolution 46/1. Admission of the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea and the Republic of Korea to membership in the United Nations
1) Decides to admit the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea to membership in the United Nations ;
2) Decides to admit the Republic of Korea to membership in the United Nations.
HISTORY : 檀君朝鮮(高離) - 北夫餘 - 高句麗,百濟,新羅,伽倻,耽羅 - 大震,新羅 - 高麗 - 檀君朝鮮(고리 - COREE - KOREA)
檀君朝鮮 - 檀君이래 藁離族(高陽氏,高辛氏)가 朝鮮을 統治 → 檀君朝鮮만을 일컬을 때 - CHAOXIAN ' CHOSUN
開天節 (檀紀 或 甲子) 활용 - BC 2333 년도
高麗 - 本貫制 실시 국가 --안성균 19:24, 22 August 2012 (EDT)
李氏朝鮮 (한국 韓國 Hanguk) (대한제국 大韓帝國 Daehan Empire 대한민국 大韓民國 Daehan Republic)
1. MAP - Sea of KOREA (East Sea) -> Not Sea of JAPAN but Sea of KOREA
2. 韓日合倂條約 is a treay Between HANGUK(大韓帝國 + 大韓民國) with NIPON(日本) -> Not KOREA but HANGUK
3. 降伏文書 一. 대본영 及 그 고급지휘관 일본 본토 及 일본근해의 島嶼, 朝鮮 북위 38도 이남의 지역 及 필리핀에 있는 日本 육해공군 及 그에 속한 군대는 미국군태평양방면 최고사령관에 항복할 것을 명하였다. [출처 : 국사편찬위원회 한국사데이터베이스 http://db.history.go.kr] --안성균 20:03, 22 August 2012 (EDT)
-> HANGUK(HANGUK 統監府 - 李氏朝鮮總督府) 日本帝國 李氏朝鮮 李王 全州 李垠 19450815 , 19450909
I have added a warning box that corresponds to the recently issued travel warnings that were initiated by the U.S. Government. Remove them once the warnings are taken down. Kentuckite (talk) 17:40, 26 February 2020 (EST)