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I will leave you to draw your own conclusions about all of this, but for all of the above reasons I don't think any of these hotels should be advertised on Wikitravel.  Furthermore, if anyone has a bit of spare time, it's also worth keeping an eye out for any other, even semi-positive reviews, of the aforementioned hotels. If you spot any suspicious ones, now and in the future - Report Them!!  Thanks again, and apologies about the length of this.  [[User:Asterix|Asterix]] 13:20, 8 March 2008 (EST)
 
I will leave you to draw your own conclusions about all of this, but for all of the above reasons I don't think any of these hotels should be advertised on Wikitravel.  Furthermore, if anyone has a bit of spare time, it's also worth keeping an eye out for any other, even semi-positive reviews, of the aforementioned hotels. If you spot any suspicious ones, now and in the future - Report Them!!  Thanks again, and apologies about the length of this.  [[User:Asterix|Asterix]] 13:20, 8 March 2008 (EST)
 
: To Asterix: The content you are maintaining on this page is incorrect, outdated, and libelous and violates the Community Policies of WikiTravel. If you persist in posting this material to this page, Rudy will be forced to report you. <small>—The [[Wikitravel:Using_talk_pages#Talk_page_formatting|preceding]] comment was added by [[User:Purplestripedone|Purplestripedone]] ([[User_talk:Purplestripedone|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Purplestripedone|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}</small>
 
 
==VFD discussion==
 
 
* '''Delete'''. This article is 4+ years out of date and does not include any relevant travel information. (There is a mention of a bad charge and bedbugs, but the links are broken so there is no evidence of these claims. Even so, this article is still 4 years old!) It appears to be a personal attack on the previous owner of 4 hotels. Three of those hotels were sold since this article was written, the 4th was refurbished and renamed. Attempts to update anything were reverted, and once again, this is a travel site and the article is about a PERSON. Completely irrelevant. -- [[User:Purplestripedone|Purplestripedone]] 16:32, 22 February 2012 (EST)
 
 
* '''Speedy keep'''.  Talk page discussions are only deleted in cases of vandalism, touting or hate speech; the referenced discussion is none of those.  See [[Wikitravel:Using talk pages#Etiquette]]. -- [[User:Wrh2|Ryan]] &bull; ([[User talk:Wrh2|talk]]) &bull; 22:23, 22 February 2012 (EST)
 
 
* '''Archive'''. Talk page dscussions should be kept more-or-less forever as part of the wiki record. On the other hand, this is a personal attack and apparently outdated, there's no need to keep it visible. [[User:Pashley|Pashley]] 00:40, 23 February 2012 (EST)
 
 
* '''Speedy keep <s>and Archive'''. Let me just point out that by "Speedy keep" I mean the talk page itself shouldn't be deleted - that's just silly. As for the content of the page, I agree with Pashley that it should be archived as it seems to be outdated at this point. That said, I don't see this as an unwarranted personal attack - Asterix deleted these hotel listings from Wikitravel and, being a new user who had not yet gained trust, gave a justification for doing so. Granted, Asterix may have...let's say, gone beyond the call of duty in this case, but at its most basic this (offering justification for deleting listings) is what we want new users to do. While the information itself is outdated and we don't need it so visible now, I don't think we should point to this as an example of bad behavior.</s> '''EDIT:''' Given the information that D. Guillaime posted below, I change my mind about this information being obsolete. [[User:PerryPlanet|PerryPlanet]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:PerryPlanet|Talk]]</sup></small> 12:57, 23 February 2012 (EST)
 
 
* PerryPlanet, doesn't the VFD box need to stay on the page for 14 days? Why was it deleted? Also,I still fail to see how any of the info on this talk page relates to the goals of the Wiki site. It's about a person, not a place. [[User:71.229.101.13|71.229.101.13]] 13:48, 23 February 2012 (EST)
 
: I do apologize for removing the VFD box on sight; I thought someone had made a mistake in posting it there. However, talk pages are not to be deleted. You can question whether the content in the talk page is appropriate, but the talk page itself needs to remain as a place where users can discuss the article. [[User:PerryPlanet|PerryPlanet]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:PerryPlanet|Talk]]</sup></small> 15:58, 23 February 2012 (EST)
 
 
* '''Speedy keep''', as per talk page policy.  I wouldn't consider it outdated, either; there have been ongoing attempts to overwrite it over the intervening years, both with advertising from the above anonymous IP just a few days ago [http://wikitravel.org/wiki/en/index.php?title=Talk:San_Francisco/Nob_Hill-Russian_Hill&diff=1832034&oldid=1831466], or simply trying to replace it entirely with a URL to one of the Colombini (planned?) properties [http://wikitravel.org/wiki/en/index.php?title=Talk:San_Francisco/Nob_Hill-Russian_Hill&diff=1818108&oldid=1768658].  It appears to remain a relevant caution for article maintenance.  — [[User:Dguillaime|D. Guillaime]] 15:24, 23 February 2012 (EST)
 
 
'''Speedy kept'''. There is no deletion rationale provided here, and our policy is clear on when discussions should or should not be deleted. This seems a borderline abuse of the vfd process, and doesn't need two weeks.  --[[User:Peterfitzgerald|Peter]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:Peterfitzgerald|Talk]]</sup></small> 21:24, 25 February 2012 (EST)
 

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