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::As it was, the article didn't have any addresses, making the listings particularly useless... [[User:Jpatokal|Jpatokal]] 22:59, 25 July 2007 (EDT)
::As it was, the article didn't have any addresses, making the listings particularly useless... [[User:Jpatokal|Jpatokal]] 22:59, 25 July 2007 (EDT)
:::Good point. --[[User:Peterfitzgerald|Peter]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:Peterfitzgerald|Talk]]</sup></small> 23:02, 25 July 2007 (EDT)

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I moved this page to have a disambiguator. I realize that the Russian city is much larger and well-known than the Floridian one, but I figured if we needed a disclaimer at the beginning of the page, it was worth putting a full disambiguation page in.

I didn't know the next-higher region to use for the disambiguator. When we get Russia's geographical hierarchy straightened out, it may make sense to move this article again. --Evan 12:47, 27 Jul 2004 (EDT)

I couldn't trace down how this got moved, but I moved it back. Is there a conversation I missed? It seems like this city is not sufficiently more famous than Saint Petersburg (Florida) to justify dropping the disambiguator. --Evan 10:22, 27 July 2006 (EDT)
Also: I was going to change all the links here, but I realized it's probably good to let the discussion go for a while before doing that. --Evan 10:26, 27 July 2006 (EDT)

The STAY SAFE part is to be revised, please! There are typical precautions for every big city (5 mil+) and these do not ESPECIALLY refer to "wild" Russia.


The Sibelius and Repin trains from Helsinki terminating in St. Petersburg will switch back to using the Finland station in September 2006. The Tolstoi train from Helsinki via St. Petersburg to Moscow will presumably not be affected.

Article's status

Although some sections are incomplete, in my recent trip to St. Petersburg, I found this guide very useful. I didn't need any other guide. Is it still so small it has to be an outline? I mean, all the important sections have lots of info, I think it should be changed to 'usable'. Anyone have any objections?EmbrunOntario 15:57, 26 July 2006 (EDT)

The status criteria for city/town/village articles can be found at Wikitravel:City guide status. It's not unusual for an article to be improved enough to qualify for a higher status, so if you see one that meets the criteria (and this one does), plunge forward and upgrade it. Note that when you get above "outline", the tag gets more specific about what kind of article it is: in this case it would be {{usablecity}} or (with a little clean-up and more contact info in the listings) {{guidecity}}. - Todd VerBeek 17:37, 26 July 2006 (EDT)
Note that I wasn't encouraging you to mess with the article title. This can be discussed (if you don't mind) on Talk:St. Petersburg (disambiguation) - Todd VerBeek 09:15, 27 July 2006 (EDT)

different from Western world -- StPete or Russia?

Any objections against moving this to Russia?

Be warned that, if you are used to living in the US and/or western Europe, Saint Petersburg, as well as the rest of Eastern Europe, will seem very different,and, at times, a bit intimidating.

What is so specific about StPete here that doesn't apply to the rest of Russia? --DenisYurkin 17:57, 24 November 2006 (EST)

Stay Safe section

Judging from a local's point of view, present StaySafe section in present condition extremely dramatizes the real situation. Every fear rumored through a newspaper and every small incident happened once in a decade became like "Always Happen Everywhere Like This, Even More Dramatic Than I Say". I wonder is there anyone watching for this article who supports the current level of dramatization? If I won't hear anything in a week, will try to find few local enthusiasts to make it closer to reality--not sure I have enough time (and energy to argue) alone. --DenisYurkin 18:12, 24 November 2006 (EST)

Totally agree. "Stay Safe" and "Stay Healthy" section do NOT describe the real situation. Should I mutilate Copenhagen's "Copenhagen remains one of the safest cities in the world" ([[1]]) after some guy tried to rob me near the railway station? No, because it IS typical that one can be robbed. Tourist should take TYPICAL precautions for a BIG city.
Yes, police is a problem sometimes, so one should always cary a photocopy of passport(the original is to be kept in the hotel's safe locker). Yes, stay away from Romany people(Gypsies). Yes, watch your pockets -- like everywhere else. Drinking water from the tap is not a good idea, but brushing teeth is bloody okay.

That's really a very interesting article. Probably I should write a guide on London about the dangers of ethnic criminals, constant fer of muslim terrorist, which are numerous in London, ugly women everywhere and the worst food in the world for pretty solid money. What's really interesting is that the high murder rate does not have anything to do with street crime and "gangs".


I think there's a confusion over the term "suburb" in this article. Suburb is a term used to describe an area adjacent to a city, while no being a part of it. Yet, there's a picture of a street with a clear view of St. Isaac's in the background, that is described as a "suburb". Clearly this is not Sestroretsk. I think that whole portion of the article needs to be re-written.

Stay Safe-pedestrians

I took liberty to revert an edit by

  • I believe pedestrian traffic lights info is important for a traveller
  • I didn't find it much useful to say it's just the same as in Eastern Europe and Balkans--any objections?

--DenisYurkin 06:06, 23 June 2007 (EDT)

Agreed. Russian drivers are way more aggressive than anything I've seen in E. Europe. Jpatokal 10:18, 23 June 2007 (EDT)
I found the drivers in Piter almost comically aggressive towards pedestrians. If you try to cross a larger street against a light, drivers will actually rev their engines and aim at you! --Peter Talk 01:22, 24 June 2007 (EDT)
Comical from the driver's seat, perhaps, less so on the receiving end. There also seemed to be a distinct positive correlation between aggressiveness and the expensiveness of the car. Jpatokal 05:18, 24 June 2007 (EDT)


I removed the McDonalds and KFC mentions from this section. I don't think it's appropriate to have multinational junkfood companies on a tourist guide to a Russian city. --HJV

I tend to agree, but I'm trying to remember--does McDonalds have free public restrooms in Piter? If so, we should probably put their locations back in for precisely that purpose. Pizza Hut, on the other hand, does better pizza than anywhere I visited in the city (although it's still woefully inadequate) and should stay in the article unless we can come up with better ones. --Peter Talk 19:45, 25 July 2007 (EDT)
As it was, the article didn't have any addresses, making the listings particularly useless... Jpatokal 22:59, 25 July 2007 (EDT)
Good point. --Peter Talk 23:02, 25 July 2007 (EDT)