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So the more I think about it, the more I think VisitPA got it right: [http://www.visitpa.com/visitpa/regionsLanding.pa].  I know we don't usually go with the states' tourism definitions, but I think in this case they've got it pegged.  (The names they chose are cheesy, though, and can be changed.)  I know Peter liked the Coal Region, but I'm not sure how useful it is to the traveler.  [[User:LtPowers|LtPowers]] 09:13, 1 August 2008 (EDT)
 
So the more I think about it, the more I think VisitPA got it right: [http://www.visitpa.com/visitpa/regionsLanding.pa].  I know we don't usually go with the states' tourism definitions, but I think in this case they've got it pegged.  (The names they chose are cheesy, though, and can be changed.)  I know Peter liked the Coal Region, but I'm not sure how useful it is to the traveler.  [[User:LtPowers|LtPowers]] 09:13, 1 August 2008 (EDT)
 
:Those do look pretty good. They also mean more work in reorganizing the existing regions, but I'll deal with it. I've updated the map, and if the divisions look right, I'll move ahead with this.  --[[User:Peterfitzgerald|Peter]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:Peterfitzgerald|Talk]]</sup></small> 04:29, 11 August 2008 (EDT)
 
::I don't like "Great Lakes Region" (it's a little generic, not clearly Pennsylvanian, and even a bit pretentious for 30 miles of shoreline along Lake Erie), but it's better than "Northwest Pennsylvania" and I don't have a better suggestion.  Maybe "Lake Erie Region"?  Or even "Erie Region" (since the main city in the area is Erie)?  Anyway, I'd be happy to work on reorganizing the regions if you'd rather not.  =)  [[User:LtPowers|LtPowers]] 08:40, 11 August 2008 (EDT)
 
 
:::Sounds good to me! If you want to start hitting the regions, I'll upload a new png (and an updated svg) in the next couple hours.  --[[User:Peterfitzgerald|Peter]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:Peterfitzgerald|Talk]]</sup></small> 12:52, 11 August 2008 (EDT)
 
 
::::The task is done, at least I think so.  Linkage was inconsistent at best, so I may have missed some regions or destinations that were linked to their regions only via the "IsIn" template (such links don't show up in "What links here").  [[Poconos and Endless Mountains]] needs some heavy revision; I tried to leave the Coal Region as a subregion, but now the main article reads awkwardly, and some destinations may be missing.  [[Philadelphia Region]] and [[Pennsylvania Wilds]] are stubs.  [[User:LtPowers|LtPowers]] 19:46, 11 August 2008 (EDT)
 
 
:::::Yeah, the new regions need to get fleshed out (mainly the 9 cities/other destinations sections). If my insomnia keeps up, I'll take a second crack at it tonight.  --[[User:Peterfitzgerald|Peter]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:Peterfitzgerald|Talk]]</sup></small> 20:12, 11 August 2008 (EDT)
 
  
 
==Shuylkill Expwy==
 
==Shuylkill Expwy==
  
 
I removed the joke about calling the Schuylkill expressway the 'sure kill' expressway.  Nobody locally calls it that except to mock the non local people that call it that.  Also added the part about staying out of the left hand lane.  It's always people from NJ and DE going 55 in the left hand lane on highways, arrrrg. --[[User:edg126|edg126]] 14:52, 10 Apr 2007 (EST)
 
I removed the joke about calling the Schuylkill expressway the 'sure kill' expressway.  Nobody locally calls it that except to mock the non local people that call it that.  Also added the part about staying out of the left hand lane.  It's always people from NJ and DE going 55 in the left hand lane on highways, arrrrg. --[[User:edg126|edg126]] 14:52, 10 Apr 2007 (EST)
 
== Eat Section? ==
 
 
Their is no actual eating listing here its just names of foods. --[[User:Norvak|Norvak]] 15:14, 23 December 2008 (EST)
 
:That's right; we put listings in articles for cities, not in regional articles.  Regional articles should talk about what types of food are available, and only mention specific restuarants if a traveler to the region would definitely not want to miss eating there.  See [[Wikitravel:Region article template#Eat]] for details.  [[User:LtPowers|LtPowers]] 15:44, 23 December 2008 (EST)
 
 
== State College and region borders ==
 
 
VisitPA.com has State College (which is in Centre County, the big one right in the middle of the state) in the Alleghenies and Susquehanna region, but by our definition all of Centre County is in the Pennsylvania Wilds region.  VisitPA draws the line between the two regions right through Centre County rather than following the county border. I have no opinion either way, so I'm soliciting others here: in which region should we place State College?  [[User:LtPowers|LtPowers]] 11:58, 29 December 2008 (EST)
 
 
State College itself is located in the "ridge and valley" section of Pennsylvania on the east side of the Alleghenies. I think it is much more appropriate in the Alleghenies and Susquehanna Valley region. [[User:Danwxman|Danwxman]] 16:23, 4 March 2009 (EST)
 
 
==9 Cities==
 
Would anyone object to dropping [[State College]] in favor of [[Erie]]? State College offers nothing for tourists aside from Penn State University. Erie, on the other hand, is one of Pennsylvania's most popular tourist spots. [[User:ChubbyWimbus|ChubbyWimbus]] 19:13, 8 October 2009 (EDT)
 
:Sounds like a good idea to me.  [[User:LtPowers|LtPowers]] 20:26, 8 October 2009 (EDT)
 
 
::I'd sooner drop [[Williamsport]]. Penn State gets a ''ton'' of visitors from all over the country during football season. We could also consider axing both Gettysburg and Hershey in the cities section and resurrect their main attractions (the battlefield and the theme park) in the OD section&mdash;I don't believe that either city/town is very notable for anything other than being next to those attractions. That would help fill out the OD list, and allow us to squeeze in another PA city (Altoona? Bethlehem? York?). But in any rate, I agree that Erie should be in the list. --[[User:Peterfitzgerald|Peter]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:Peterfitzgerald|Talk]]</sup></small> 20:33, 8 October 2009 (EDT)
 
 
:::I must have been in the process of removing State College while you wrote this. I have no problem with dropping Williamsport. Gettysburg is so historical, I don't think it should be cut. I do like Hershey, but I would be willing to drop it. If Hershey were moved out, what do you think about [[Lancaster (Pennsylvania)|Lancaster]]? I haven't been there, but it's quite famous as a destination for those interested in the Amish. Since Pennsylvania itself is well known for being home of the Amish, perhaps adding Lancaster would showcase the broader spectrum of Pennsylvania "culture"? [[User:ChubbyWimbus|ChubbyWimbus]] 20:55, 8 October 2009 (EDT)
 
::::I dunno about Williamsport.  If we're just looking at numbers, sure, the Nittany Lions outdraw Little League.  But lots of places have big college football stadiums; Williamsport is at least unique in its singular attraction.  I would support moving Gettysburg to the Other Destinations section, but not Hershey.  [[User:LtPowers|LtPowers]] 11:49, 9 October 2009 (EDT)
 
 
:::::I've moved Hershey and Gettysburg to OD to show what my intent was. But since we obviously don't have consensus for that change, please feel free to revert.
 
 
:::::Lancaster strikes me as a good addition. And LtPowers, why not move Hershey? As a census-designated place of 12,000, I think it's hardly an important urban destination in its own right. Heck, I'm pretty sure I stayed in Lebanon when I went to the park&mdash;I never even entered Hershey the town.  --[[User:Peterfitzgerald|Peter]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:Peterfitzgerald|Talk]]</sup></small> 18:40, 9 October 2009 (EDT)
 
 
::::::It had never crossed my mind to link to the page from the attraction (Hersheypark) rather than the city, but I think it looks good! Certainly Hersheypark is the only reason why Hershey is an important Pennsylvania destination. I had just assumed you were going to move Gettysburg and Hershey as they were, but I think the list represents Pennsyvlania much better now! [[User:ChubbyWimbus|ChubbyWimbus]] 23:57, 9 October 2009 (EDT)
 
:::::::Hershey also has probably the most celebrated and most successful AHL team, as much as it pains me as a Rochesterian to say that.  =)  That's the main reason I'm reluctant to say that the theme park is the only thing there.  (Also, I believe Hersheypark and Hershey's Chocolate World are technically two separate attractions.)  There's also the "wording test" that has been mentioned before: does someone say "I'm going to Hersheypark" or "I'm going to Hershey"?  In my experience, it's the latter.  [[User:LtPowers|LtPowers]] 16:43, 10 October 2009 (EDT)
 
 
::::::::Therein lies the disagreement. My experience is the opposite&mdash;I've never even heard of someone visiting Hershey in any other context than "I'm going to Hersheypark," but of course I'm not actually from the area. But mostly I like this solution as it helps us fill out the OD list a bit more, and allows other cities like Williamsport and Lancaster a place in the lists.  --[[User:Peterfitzgerald|Peter]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:Peterfitzgerald|Talk]]</sup></small> 17:41, 10 October 2009 (EDT)
 
 
:::::::::Yeah, it's really borderline.  When one says "I'm going to Hershey" most people will assume one is going to go to the amusement park and to Chocolate World.  I guess I'm okay with the philosophy as stated, although couldn't the same apply to State College?  Anyway, it'd be nice to have some native Pennsylvanians weigh in.  [[User:LtPowers|LtPowers]] 22:09, 10 October 2009 (EDT)
 
 
:::::::::::I'm actually a "native". lol. Most people I know say "Hershey", but as you've stated, it is synonymous with Hershey Park. I've never heard anyone mention going to Hershey for any other reason (I didn't)... As for State College, it is similar. The only reason people go there is to see the games or attend college. They have a well known ice cream shop, too, but I don't think many people go all the way there just for that. I don't think State College would be missed if dropped. The other proposed places (York, Altoona, Bethlehem) are not bad choices. But concerning the move of Hershey and Gettysburg, I don't imagine it being a big deal for other Pennsylvanians. It doesn't mean that there is nothing to see in the city; it just highlights the most popular and widely known attraction. I think it works in allowing us to feature more cities, as Peter states. [[User:ChubbyWimbus|ChubbyWimbus]] 22:36, 10 October 2009 (EDT)
 
 
OK, after talking with my wife, who's from PA, I'm more strongly of the opinion that Hershey belongs in the Cities section, probably in place of State College.  If we want to talk about destinations with only one thing to do, it's Happy Valley, not Hershey, that we should be talking about.  The only reason for non-students to go to State College is to go to Beaver Stadium for a game, whereas Hershey has the amusement park, Chocolate World, the Milton Hershey museum, Hotel Hershey (with its spa featuring chocolate treatments), Hershey Bears hockey, and a zoo.  I agree it's not ''a lot'', but it's a lot more than State College has.  [[User:LtPowers|LtPowers]] 19:45, 12 October 2009 (EDT)
 
 
::Either way works for me. Replacing State College is a good move, though. [[User:ChubbyWimbus|ChubbyWimbus]] 20:25, 13 October 2009 (EDT)
 
 
===Fireworks===
 
 
This is my first-ever wiki edit of any kind, so please check it over...
 
 
I made 2 spelling corrections and updated the '''fireworks''' part of the "Stay Safe" section.  PA laws are kinda funny about fireworks and that part had erroneous information. [[User:VideoGuy|VideoGuy]] 06:15 21 July 2010
 
 
:Looks good! [[User:ChubbyWimbus|ChubbyWimbus]] 23:13, 23 July 2010 (EDT)
 
 
== Other Destinations ==
 
 
I'm tempted to replace [[Lehigh Valley]] with [[Thousand Islands]]; the latter seems like more of a tourist destination to me.  Thoughts?  [[User:LtPowers|LtPowers]] 15:20, 20 January 2011 (EST)
 
 
:Thousand Islands is in New York, so I don't think it deserves any mention in the Pennsylvania article. [[User:ChubbyWimbus|ChubbyWimbus]] 16:53, 20 January 2011 (EST)
 
 
::Yeah, I thought I put this on [[Talk:Mid-Atlantic]].  Not sure how I ended up here.  [[User:LtPowers|LtPowers]] 08:59, 21 January 2011 (EST)
 

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