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:::With the aid of FoxReplace, this task has become far easier, and it is now done. New York (city) is dead; long live New York City.  --[[User:Peterfitzgerald|Peter]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:Peterfitzgerald|Talk]]</sup></small> 18:51, 23 February 2010 (EST)
 
:::With the aid of FoxReplace, this task has become far easier, and it is now done. New York (city) is dead; long live New York City.  --[[User:Peterfitzgerald|Peter]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:Peterfitzgerald|Talk]]</sup></small> 18:51, 23 February 2010 (EST)
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====For profit guidebooks====
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:::::Off topic: What's the deal with the eventual paper guidebooks? Is all our work meant as a vehicle for publication, whereupon it will be updated every year? Who will profit from any sales (of which I doubt there would be many, as long as people can continue to consult and print pages from the site for free), or would they simply be put back into overhead (server maintainence, etc.)? [[User:Ikan Kekek|Ikan Kekek]] 07:48, 27 June 2009 (EDT)
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:::::::I'm not buying it. I live here and edit as a volunteer. But you didn't answer the rest of my questions. I wouldn't feel very good if our volunteer work is being used to make someone rich. [[User:Ikan Kekek|Ikan Kekek]] 21:45, 27 June 2009 (EDT)
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::::::::No one's getting rich off of it, but it is for-profit.  The editors and staff are paid for the effort invested in preparing the guides for print, which is significant.  Yeah, someone could print the information off the website, and we hope people do that for the vast majority of the travel guides on Wikitravel, but for those that have a Wikitravel Press edition, purchasers get a compact format on high-quality paper with binding and everything.  =)  It's a value-added service.  [[User:LtPowers|LtPowers]] 21:53, 27 June 2009 (EDT)
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::::::::: Yeah, and for all the currently released books, the credited editors have done the lions share of work on the respective cities; editing, creating maps, fact checking, photographing etc. I have no problem with anyone making a little money of all that work. If we ever get in a situation where an editor is profiting for a city where other people have done significant work, I might look at it differently - but I don't see that situation happening any time soon - and even then, regular contributors here have a pretty cordial relationship, and I'm quite sure things would be worked out before anything got released.  --[[User:Sertmann|Stefan (sertmann)]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:Sertmann|Talk]]</sup></small> 22:08, 27 June 2009 (EDT)
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The open content license, CC-by-SA, allows ''anyone'' to repackage WT materials (or wikipedia materials for that matter) and use them however they like, provided they: Attribute (by): provide appropriate credit to all authors of the used material, and ShareAlike (SA): keep all material and any derivative works under the same license, so that anyone else can use their work as well. There are ''countless'' websites around the internet using our content and trying to get ad revenue off it. I know of only two book publishers using WT material (there probably are more, and will be more): Offbeat Guides and Wikitravel Press. The former is running into problems with both Attribution and ShareAlike clauses (which is probably why we haven't seen them around lately). The latter was founded by Jani and the co-founders of Wikitravel, strictly fulfills the requirements of the license, and employs a bunch of long-time Wikitravel users who have put a ton of work into the site.
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Bottom line, if you're not ok with others re-using your pro bono publico work, then work on the big wikis on the web is not for you. Personally, I think re-use is one of the greatest things about work done here&mdash;the ripple effect increases the benefit of your work for society exponentially as it expands.  --[[User:Peterfitzgerald|Peter]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:Peterfitzgerald|Talk]]</sup></small> 22:35, 27 June 2009 (EDT)
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:My guess is that most uses for this work will remain free. The reason I do this pro bono editing is that I don't want travelers to be misled about my city and other places I know something about. Thanks for the additional discussion; I've been wondering about this ever since I first saw a reference to the idea of buying a Wikipedia guide, which make me do a double take and kind of rubbed me the wrong way. If the people selling the guides ever freeze editing, figuring they have enough information to just print guides for profit every year, I'd be very upset and feel used. But as long as the printed guidebooks are just a small sideline to the co-authored web presence - especially if some of the profit from sales goes back into site maintenance - I can live with it. The thing I like best about Wiki sites is that they constitute a Digital Age version of Medieval collective authorship, complete with marginalia - the "talk" pages. [[User:Ikan Kekek|Ikan Kekek]] 02:21, 28 June 2009 (EDT)
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::Even if the site was frozen, you could fork the content to a new site and start modifying it again.  That's the beauty of the CC-by-sa license.  [[User:LtPowers|LtPowers]] 11:32, 28 June 2009 (EDT)
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:::The company that prints the guidebooks, [[Wikitravel:Wikitravel Press|Wikitravel Press]], is not related to the company that owns the wikitravel.org domain and runs the servers, which is [[Wikitravel:Internet Brands|Internet Brands]]. (The founders of Wikitravel sold the domain to Internet Brands before starting the press.) So don't worry about those kind of machinations. [[User:Gorilla Jones|Gorilla Jones]] 11:43, 28 June 2009 (EDT)
  
 
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