Talk:New York (city)/United Nations

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I originally reverted the anon addition, but now I'll ask here: Does this really warrant its own article? Sure, it's an interesting destination, but I'd hardly call it a destination.

And is the flag shop in the basement of the Secretariat still there? Jpatokal 09:18, 16 May 2005 (EDT)

Bump. Jpatokal 21:15, 24 May 2005 (EDT)
Bump bump. I think you're right; I moved the article to New York (city)/Manhattan/Midtown#See, and I'll see about unlinking it. --Evan 21:37, 24 May 2005 (EDT)
OK, I'll respect these changes for the moment, though the matter hasn't really been discussed properly.... Personally, I believe that the UN headquarters is its own destination within New York, not officially part of the city or of the host country - it is very definitely international territory and therefore an entity in its own right.... There is also enough happening there and available to see, to deserve its own discrete article. But we'll see what other think in the fulness of time! Pjamescowie 04:59, 25 May 2005 (EDT)
Does it pass the "do you sleep there?" test? I'm not sure that the "relax room" counts. Most of my UN colleagues wind up staying in hotels. -- Mark 05:40, 25 May 2005 (EDT)
Well, no it doesn't pass that particular test.... But then I'm sure there must be lots of travel 'destinations' (within other Destinations) in which you wouldn't / couldn't / shouldn't Sleep either.... I suppose this gets at the heart of "what else" might constitute the potental basis for an article within Wikitravel: a prime area for debate! As an example, I can foresee that we'll eventually get to the point where we might want to have separate articles about several mega-museums or temple sites - the Louvre in Paris, for example, or the Egyptian Museum in Cairo, or the Temple of Karnak in Luxor - stemming from within their respective City / District articles. You can't Sleep in any of these places either BUT they each form a major "destination" in their own right; admittedly, within other, larger Destinations.... Each could easily have a large, discrete article devoted to them, providing a guide, a commentary, maps, images, tips on how best / what to See, where best to Eat / Drink, Stay Safe, Cope, Get In / Out, etc. etc. The same goes for the United Nations Headquarters in NYC, except that it really is its own destination within another destination, i.e. it is International Territory within a Large City. My argument is that the UN in NYC could / should be dealt with at least as a separate city district within that Large City.... Yes, keep the listing within Midtown, but also provide a prime link useful, detailed article that goes into greater detail, such as you might not care to include on an "ordinary" district article. There is certainly enough to talk about, with regard to what one can See, Buy, Do there and so on in the UN Headquarters - even if you can't Sleep there (and Mark, I'm sure that there are several of your UN colleagues who might even be prepared to admit that they've slept through a few UN sessions - if only unofficially! LOL!) Well, that's my tuppence's worth... At least we're actually debating this now - always a positive development! Pjamescowie 07:59, 25 May 2005 (EDT)