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So I just killed the very detailed explination of how to cheat ticket-takers on various forms of Italian transportation. While I have no problem with creative budget travel solutions, it really was an overwhelming amount of information, much of which was not Italy-specific (i.e. you can also hide in the bathroom or under a seat on a French train). If someone wants to a)convince me it's really important to have all that there or b)rework/slim down the info, I'd prolly not mind having it back in... otherwise ciao bella Majnoona 15:00, 3 Feb 2004 (EST)

I think that it might make a good travel topic: How to cheat on train tickets. We might also want to have Sneaking into movie theaters, How to dine and ditch and How to run a three-card monte game. --Evan 15:28, 3 Feb 2004 (EST)

The area comparison with Arizona ( of all places in the world ) is ment in a humouristique way, i suppose?

Uh, no. The CIA factbook stuff always compares the size of a country to a US State. So Italy, land-mass-wise, is around the size of Arizona. It helps Americans imagine a world beyond the US ;-). 15:12, 27 Mar 2004 (EST)
The difference is that there are 60 millions inhabitants in Italy. ;o) Yann 15:45, 27 Mar 2004 (EST)
I'll mention that to the CIA next time they ask me ;-P. 16:03, 27 Mar 2004 (EST)
See also Wikitravel:How to de-factbook a country page. Majnoona 15:14, 27 Mar 2004 (EST)


I moved the remaining factbook info to Talk:Italy/CIA World Factbook 2002 import. --Evan 11:07, 5 Apr 2004 (EDT)


I'm planning a weeklong trip to Italy. I was hoping to take my laptop, so I'd have entertainment on the long flights and train rides. However, many of my friends expressed concerns about the possibility of laptop theft. I was hoping some people here could offer some advice.

  1. Is laptop theft prevalent in Italy? I'm mostly concerned about it somehow being snatched in a public area, but I suppose I'd also be worried about it being stolen from my hotel.
  2. Is free wifi available at Cafes and public areas in Italy?

As for the particulars, I'll be going to Florence and Rome, and I'm going to be staying in hotels, not hostels. I guess I'm being a little vague here, but any input you can give me would be greatly appreciated. --DropDeadGorgias 12:55, 13 Jun 2005 (EDT)

Unless you plan to bring it to bars and get very drunk, I wouldn't worry about it. I have travelled with laptops in many countries without any problems. Of course I often take an old laptop when traveling but that is mostly because I am afraid of dropping it or breaking it when throwing it in a boat or something like that. Just put it in a normal knapsack, not a shiny new bag, that says "expensive IBM laptop".
In hotels I never worry about anything too big to put in a small pocket. Actually apart from cash, credit cards and paperwork (and jewelry if I had any), I don't worry about anything.

A laptop is not more expensive than a good suit or a camera. If it would make you feel better, you could bring a laptop-lock and lock it to a heater.

Check if your insurance will cover it if it is stolen
I haven't been to Italy for a while, but I go there in July, so please update WikiTravel if you find some good WiFi spots. --elgaard 15:03, 13 Jun 2005 (EDT)
Oh, I'm not going until August... I'm just anal about planning stuff ;-). Where in WikiTravel would this information go? --DropDeadGorgias 15:08, 13 Jun 2005 (EDT)
Avoid going there around August the 15th. It's Ferragosto (from: Ferie di Agosto - August holiday) and just everybody goes everywhere. --vicky 9 Jul 2005
Now that I searched for WiFi I found Where_you_can_stick_it which says to put it under "Contact" not "Cope". --elgaard 15:59, 13 Jun 2005 (EDT)
Then I might add some WiFI spots. I plan to bring my Yopy PDA with WiFi.
If there is a hotspot in a cafe or restaurant and the food/drink is good, I add the place under "Eat" or "Drink" and note it has WiFi, because if I come to a city and WikiTravel list a cafe that has good coffee, food, beer and WiFi, that is where I will go :-) Then I mention the cafes and other WiFi spots in "Cope".
Se Lafayette for an example.
See Internet_access#Wireless --elgaard 15:55, 13 Jun 2005 (EDT)

External links

Yesterday, I added a link to which has since been removed. I would like to initiate a discussion about this in light of a similar discussion which is taking place on the main page for Italy in Wikipedia. We seem to have been accepted in the External links section there, at least provisionally, and on the External link sections of many of the regional and "city" pages throughout the Italian section because we offer quality information, photographs and links that are useful to Wikipedia users. There is a concern however, that by allowing and to remain on the main Italy page in Wikipedia, that it will open the floodgates to other tourist site operators who will want to post there. It seems to me that if an "External tourist sites" section is added to this article, it could go a long way to solving the problem AND serve the interests of Wiki users better. I would further suggest that although there are hundreds of "Italian" websites, there are actually very few that offer quality national coverage. A kind of floodgate might open, but if a few, simple criteria were developed for determining which should remain and which not, then it is more than manageable. As I said, I think this is worth a discussion....and would hope to hear from interested Wikipedians. —The preceding comment was added by (talkcontribs) 17:18, 2005 October 3.

I'm sure you'll hear from a number of Wikipedians about WikiPedia:Italy on the WikiPedia:Talk:Italy page.
As for Wikitravel, we have well-worn discussions about Wikitravel:External links and our criteria are pretty clear-cut. If you'd like to discuss Wikitravel with Wikitravellers (many of whom are also Wikipedians, by the way -- me included), you should bring it up on Wikitravel talk:External links. Be forewarned that it's a hot subject that's come up many times. --Evan 13:29, 3 Oct 2005 (EDT)

Just browsing...

Sorry for the long posting. Tiramis� is definetly not from Sicily, its origins trace back either to Treviso or Siena. Sicilians could not stand it. "Americans will notice that Italian pasta often has a myriad of sauces rather than simply tomato and alfredo." - true enough, but the matter is different: alfredo sauce is not Italian. You will not find it in Italy and do not try to explain Italians what it is - it is disgusting to Italian taste. "Limoncello can be considered a "moon shine" type of product as every Italian family, especially in the middle (near Napoli)" - Napoli is the capital of the South, Mid Italy starts a few km south of Rome and ends a few km south of Bologna. I would rather correct it with "especially in the south (near Napoli)". Also, you find little lemon production in mid Italy, it is more a southern Italian thing. "An additional note: There are many bars in Italy that cater to tourists and foreigners with "home country" themes, calling themselves such things as "American bars" or "Irish pubs." In addition to travelers, these bars attract a large number of Italians who, among other reasons, go there specifically to meet travelers and foreigners. And while the motivation for the vast majority of these Italians is simply to have a good time with new friends, there can be one or two petty criminals who loiter in and out of these establishments hoping to take advantage of travelers who are disoriented or drunk. Traveling to these places in groups is a simple solution to this problem." - huu, I do not know about that. THe point is that Italians love foreign names, especially English ones, so some 80% of the bars have a (misspellt) English name. I guess most crimes statistically happen in bars with foregn names simply because they are the majority. Posted by dschiavon. no, not a user. 5:32 pm 20/12/2005. —The preceding comment was added by (talkcontribs) 16:35, 2005 December 20.

Milan airport

I strongly can not consider Milan as the primary air transport hub for Italy.

A rotten policy by Alitalia has made Milan not an hub anymore. If you look at Alitalia timetable or if you look at the international flight departing from Malpensa you will find that from Milan depart only short haul flight. Whit the exception of some touristic destination (like Cuba, Mexico, santo Domingo, and so on) the only long haul destination departing from Milan are Brazil, Argentina, Bejin and Tokio. (this waht I found out some days ago inspetting the departure from MXP). In the Alitalia opinion one has to flight to Rome and change flight (hence it is Rome that is an hub) or flight to a different European hub (usually by a flight that is codeshared and operated by an Alitalia partner). 12:14, 3 Jan 2006 (EST)

See section

"See" section exceed country template and is almost useless because of the enormous amount of monuments in this country. Should we delete it? (by the way, all contributions to that section are mine, at time I didn't know about country template).

Just put the highlights there. More elaborate lists can be put in the region articles. -- Colin 19:21, 18 Jan 2006 (EST)

Cities and Other Destinations

The Cities and Other Destinations sections seem a bit out of control. Maybe a Wikitraveller who, unlike me, has been to Italy could do some editorial work. -- Jonboy 10:56, 12 October 2006 (EDT)


Someone that is not to tired to do it can add respect for italy. -- 17:18, 20 November 2006 (EST)

Thumbs up gesture is considered offensive? By whom? Never heard such a thing anywere in Italy! The reference to gladiators is a bit naive: do you expect someone nowdays in Italy to remember gladiators? We just watch Big Brother and similia... I'd just erase the part about the thumbs up gesture and its supposed offensivedness. Thank you. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talkcontribs) 10:38, 2009 January 9

Done. Wikibob Talk 17:57, 20 January 2009 (EST)

Missing Content

I'm really surprised this section about Italy does not mention the Vespa (or scooters) under getting around. Afterall, the Vespa is a cultural icon in Italy and huge numbers of people use scooters to get around. Who would need to approve such an addition? --User:quietleader 19:26, 3 February 2007 (PST)

Some changes

"Mobile Phones":

Since March 2007 a law cancelled the recharge fares for all the Italians prepaid simcards.

"Beware of": "If you have a rental car expect to get fined even if you have paid for the parking and have a valid parking ticket"

I lived for more than 30 years in Italy, in the last 10 years i was using rented cars provided from my company and i never heard something like this.

Also, nearly all the rented cars have nothing that can identify them as coming from rental services (Hertz, Europcar, Avis don't have any stickers or neither a personalized license plate frame), so i have no clue how "scammer officers" could understand is a rented car.

Actually, if you have to beware, do it with parking controllers, as often they are "wannabee-cops" a lot less tolerant compared to policemen.

"By Car":

The thing is a little messy:

For the Italian Traffic Code, while your speed is checked by a speed radar, they have to apply a tolerance of 5% with a minimum of 5 km/h.

That means: if you're driving 60 km/h they consider it as 55 km/h (the 5% of 60 km/h is 3 km/h, but they must apply at least 5 km/h of tolerance). We deduce that the 5% is appliable only for every speed over 100 km/h. 14:49, 21 May 2007 (EDT)

Sleep/bivouac outside camps

Any info about sleeping in the wild? Is it legal as in Finland or Sweden? —The preceding comment was added by Multimotyl (talkcontribs) 12:40, 2008 February 25.

In Italy we don't understand the romanian!

"Other Romance languages, especially Spanish or Romanian, although in Italy there are many romanian immigrants, Romanian is not understood. Maybe it's better to know latin, there is always in every town a priest that know its. —The preceding comment was added by Tezaro (talkcontribs) 10:49, 2008 May 28.

I agree, and I have removed the "most Italians are more knowing and willing to speak them over English" claim regarding "other Roman languages". My limited experience as a tourist is that German was mostly understood in the Tyrol region, and that among Italian locals around Rome and Como, simple, clearly spoken English is possibly Ok. Of course, simple, clear and slowly spoken Italian is better. Wikibob Talk 11:36, 23 December 2008 (EST)

About pizza

You will have trouble if you follow these instructions, when you want to buy pizza....they never sell pizza based on weight (ex: 200 gr), you can only ask for "a slice of pizza", "two slice of pizza" and so big it is a slice of pizza depends on the single shop... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talkcontribs) 11:32, 2008 June 17

It is not true that they never sell by weight. I have bought pizza from a coop shop (not in a tourist area) which sold it by weight after I indicated how large a slice I wanted. The "slice" was cut from a one metre by half metre tray. The counter person can estimate how heavy any slice would be, but do not expect the result to be exact. I received a ticket which showed the exact weight and the total price which I paid at the checkout. I would agree that some shops only sell by slice, but I have little experience of tourist areas, just residential areas where the locals go. Wikibob Talk 10:33, 23 December 2008 (EST)


.. moral capital of Italy? Maybe economic, but the moral capital of Italy is and ever had been Rome. 05:53, 7 December 2008 (EST)

I removed the reference (what the heck is a "moral capital" anyway). Please feel free to do so yourself in the future. --Peter Talk 14:34, 7 December 2008 (EST)


  • L'Aquila is the capital of Abruzzi, 100km northeast from Rome, on a 700m hill. According to tradition, it was built from 99 villages, although the Fontana delle 99 Cannelle (Fountain of 99 spouts) built in 1272 started with only 63 spouts. There are 99 piazzas and 99 churches, one spanish castle, and there is the famous Basilica di Santa Maria di Collemaggio.
  • Palermo is the capital of Sicily, and has had a rich history under many conquerors: the Greeks, Carthagians, Romans, Vandals, Goths, Byzantines, Arabs, Normans, Angevins, Aragoneses, Augsburg and the Bourbons. It is full of monuments from that history.

I de-Babelized, expanded, and then moved the above two cities from the article because the html comment there stated "Please do not change this list without first discussing your proposed change on the talk page. Cities lists are limited by Wikitravel policy to NINE.". Wikibob Talk 17:01, 23 December 2008 (EST)