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Lochranza convenience store?[edit]

Is there a convenience store in Lochranza any more? If not, where can you get a key to the castle? From the hostel, maybe?


The cities and other destinations should be split off into their own articles (assuming they're large enough for a tourist to stay in). Jpatokal 23:52, 6 Feb 2005 (EST)

The cities heading should be renamed towns / villages. Psychofox 03:18, 20 Mar 2005 (GMT)

The definiton of a City is rather loose concept on Wikitravel and is also a standard template heading. Basically read City to mean any community large enough to support places for visitors, not just the locals, to eat, drink, sleep, buy necessities and communicate with the outside world. If it has a Police Station, a Post Office, Internet Cafe and a local Community Council it probably qualifies as a City. Having its own community website and Library probably also rates too. Destinations are normally places or communities that you can sleep at, in a commercial sleeping place not a private home, and each should have their own page. Does this help size things? -- Huttite 23:43, 19 Mar 2005 (EST)

I agree with Psychofox. The template saying "City" is a bit confusing - surely it would be better to start with Huge City, then City, then Towns, Villages. DanielC 15:38, 20 Mar 2005 (GMT)

The "Cities" section is standard for all regions (see the Wikitravel:region article template). Dividing the "Cities" section into multiple sub-sections is unnecessarily complicated and error-prone (how big is a town? how big is a village? how many people, how many hectares? if a big town feels like a small city, do we put it under "cities" or "towns"?). There's no other word in English besides "city" that applies for communities of 10,000 to 10 million. It's easy to add a brief description of each city to describe it ("huge megalopolis known for sorghum production", "teensy hamlet by the sea"), which is probably more descriptive than using different headings. --Evan 11:08, 20 Mar 2005 (EST)
A fair point Evan, except that the entire poulation of Arran is only around 5000. I understand the Wikitravel definition of "city" but anyone describing even Lamlash (the largest village on the island) as a "city" would probably be forcibly escorted back to the ferry, and might well expect to see the men in white coats waiting when they disembarked at Ardrossan! My feeling for Arran is that we should aim to create a really good quality article covering the whole island on the one page. At present, it doesn't meet that description but there's plenty of good material here to work with. I know that most of the villages on the island have at least 1 place in which to sleep, thus qualifying as destinations in their own right, but I really don't see the value in having lots of "City" articles each with very little content. Tarr3n 07:51, 30 October 2009 (EDT)

Too much info under villages?[edit]

Just back from Arran today, so making a few checks to see how the pages here stand up. It seems to me, compared to other articles for similar islands and destinations, that there is far too much information in far too many formats under the Villages section. Should these entries not be edited a bit, and relevant info moved (and expanded, with contact details etc) to Eat, Sleep & Do sections further down the page? Jamesbrownontheroad 17:44, 15 May 2009 (EDT)

Definitely, the current page is an unusable mess. Jpatokal 23:43, 15 May 2009 (EDT)

Status of this article[edit]

I have just knocked it back from guide to usable. Hate doing that, but the listings are just not up to guide status to my eyes. --Burmesedays 08:40, 30 October 2009 (EDT)

I agree. I've started to pull some of the info out from the "Villages" section and list it in the proper places (see, do, sleep etc.). I'm getting rid of a lot of duplication as I go. Once that's done we can start to tidy up the listings and get it up to Guide standard. The ferry info could do with some de-encyclopaedia-ifying as well. I need to go and do some real work now though so I'll have to come back to it! Anyone else want to join in? Tarr3n 09:24, 30 October 2009 (EDT)
Update. I think all the listings are where they ought to be, and the list of villages is a bit more manageable. I've tried to rewrite the brief descriptions of each village but I'm sure in some cases this could be improved upon! A lot of the listings are a bit basic and almost all of them could do with bringing up to the Manual of Style Standards. I've vfd'd Penrioch, a tiny village which somebody had created an article for. Hopefully that might have the happy side effect of a few people taking notice of this article and putting in a bit of tidying up work.Tarr3n 07:15, 2 November 2009 (EST)