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selected trains

The following content was moved from the main article. A schedule should not be posted as it may change and as such be very labor intensive. However, a generalized paragraph or two explaining some of the more popular or useful routes is suggested. -- Ilkirk 12:12, 4 Nov 2005 (EST)

  • EC 24 Budapest-Keleti pu (9:30) - Budapest-Kelenföld - Györ - Hegyeshalom - Bruck a. d. Leitha - Wien Westbahnhof - St.Pölten Hbf - Linz Hbf - Wels Hbf - Neumarkt-Kallham - Schärding - Passau Hbf - Plattling - Regensburg Hbf - Nürnberg Hbf - Würzburg Hbf - Aschaffenburg Hbf - Frankfurt(Main)Hbf - Frankfurt(M) Flughafen Fernbf - Mainz Hbf - Koblenz Hbf - Bonn Hbf - Köln Hbf - Solingen-Ohligs - Wuppertal Hbf - Hagen Hbf - Dortmund Hbf (23:20)
  • EC 25 Dortmund Hbf (4:33) - Bochum Hbf - Essen Hbf - Duisburg Hbf - Düsseldorf Hbf - Köln Hbf - Bonn Hbf - Remagen - Andernach - Koblenz Hbf - Mainz Hbf - Frankfurt(M) Flughafen Fernbf - Frankfurt(Main)Hbf - Aschaffenburg Hbf - Würzburg Hbf - Nürnberg Hbf - Regensburg Hbf - Plattling - Passau Hbf - Schärding - Neumarkt-Kallham - Wels Hbf - Linz Hbf - St.Pölten Hbf - Wien Hütteldorf - Wien Westbahnhof - Bruck a. d. Leitha - Hegyeshalom - Györ - Budapest-Kelenföld - Budapest-Keleti pu (18:33)
  • EC 62 Budapest-Keleti pu (13:00) - Budapest-Kelenföld - Györ - Hegyeshalom - Bruck a. d. Leitha - Wien Westbahnhof - St.Pölten Hbf - Linz Hbf - Attnang-Puchheim - Salzburg Hbf - München Hbf (20:34)
  • EC 63 München Hbf (9:27) - Salzburg Hbf - Attnang-Puchheim - Linz Hbf - St.Pölten Hbf - Wien Hütteldorf - Wien Westbahnhof - Bruck a. d. Leitha - Hegyeshalom - Györ - Budapest-Kelenföld - Budapest-Keleti pu (17:03)
  • D 200/R 200 Krakow Glowny (22:50) - Trzebinia - Oswiecim - Czechowice Dziedzice - Zebrzydowice - Petrovice u Karvine - Bohumin - Ostrava hl.n. - Ostrava-Svinov - Hranice na Morave - Olomouc hl.n. - Zabreh na Morave - Ceska Trebova - Usti nad Orlici - Chocen - Pardubice hl.n. - Kolin(CZ) - Praha-Vrsovice - Praha hl.n. (7:25)
  • EN 268 Budapest-Keleti pu (20:25) - Budapest-Kelenföld - Györ - Hegyeshalom - Bruck a. d. Leitha - Wien Westbahnhof - St.Pölten Hbf - Melk - Pöchlarn - Amstetten(A) - St. Valentin - Linz Hbf - Wels Hbf - Attnang-Puchheim - Salzburg Hbf - Rosenheim - München Ost - München Hbf (6:20)
  • EN 269 München Hbf (23:44) - München Ost - Rosenheim - Salzburg Hbf - Attnang-Puchheim - Wels Hbf - Linz Hbf - St. Valentin - Amstetten(A) - Pöchlarn - St.Pölten Hbf - Wien Hütteldorf - Wien Westbahnhof - Bruck a. d. Leitha - Hegyeshalom - Györ - Budapest-Kelenföld - Budapest-Keleti pu (9:08)
  • IC 400 Bratislava-Petrzalka (5:47) - Bruck a. d. Leitha - Wien Meidling - Wien Westbahnhof (7:01)
  • IC 402 Bratislava hl.st. (10:36) - Bratislava-Petrzalka - Kittsee - Bruck a. d. Leitha - Wien Meidling - Wien Westbahnhof (12:10)
  • IC 403 Wien Westbahnhof (15:55) - Wien Meidling - Bruck a. d. Leitha - Kittsee - Bratislava-Petrzalka - Bratislava hl.st. (17:29)
  • IC 405/IC 13405 Wien Westbahnhof (8:20) - Wien Meidling - Bruck a. d. Leitha - Kittsee - Bratislava-Petrzalka - Bratislava hl.st. - Leopoldov - Trencin - Zilina - Liptovsky Mikulas - Poprad-Tatry - Kysak - Kosice (15:28)
  • IC 407 Wien Westbahnhof (21:50) - Wien Meidling - Bruck a. d. Leitha - Kittsee - Bratislava-Petrzalka - Bratislava hl.st. (23:26)
  • R 424 Humenne (18:16) - Strazske - Michalovce - Banovce nad Ondavou - Trebisov - Kosice - Kysak - Margecany - Spisska Nova Ves - Poprad-Tatry - Liptovsky Mikulas - Kralovany - Zilina - Cadca - Cesky Tesin - Ostrava hl.n. - Ostrava-Svinov - Hranice na Morave - Olomouc hl.n. - Ceska Trebova - Pardubice hl.n. - Kolin(CZ) - Praha-Vrsovice - Praha hl.n. (6:57)
  • EN 466 Budapest-Keleti pu (17:50) - Budapest-Kelenföld - Györ - Hegyeshalom - Bruck a. d. Leitha - Wien Westbahnhof - St.Pölten Hbf - Amstetten(A) - Linz Hbf - Wels Hbf - Salzburg Hbf - Innsbruck Hbf - Bludenz - Feldkirch - Buchs SG - Sargans - Zürich HB (6:20)
  • EN 467 Zürich HB (22:40) - Sargans - Buchs SG - Feldkirch - Bludenz - Innsbruck Hbf - Salzburg Hbf - Wels Hbf - Wels Hbf - Linz Hbf - Amstetten(A) - St.Pölten Hbf - Wien Hütteldorf - Wien Westbahnhof - Bruck a. d. Leitha - Hegyeshalom - Györ - Budapest-Kelenföld - Budapest-Keleti pu (11:28)
  • D 1458 Koper (22:30) - Hrpelje-Kozina - Divaca - Pivka - Postojna - Ljubljana - Celje - Maribor - Spielfeld-Straß - Leibnitz - Graz Hbf - Bruck a. d. Mur - Mürzzuschlag - Wiener Neustadt Hbf - Wien Meidling - Wien Südbahnhof Bstg. 11-19 (9:10)
  • ER 1850 Wien Südbahnhof Bstg. 1-9 (8:47) - Wien Simmering - Wien Erzherzog-Karl-Straße - Wien Leopoldau - Korneuburg - Stockerau - Hollabrunn - Hetzmanndorf-Wullersdorf - Guntersdorf - Platt - Zellerndorf - Retz - Satov - Znojmo (10:38)
  • ER 1851 Znojmo (5:28) - Satov - Retz - Zellerndorf - Platt - Guntersdorf - Hetzmanndorf-Wullersdorf - Hollabrunn - Sierndorf - Stockerau - Korneuburg - Wien Leopoldau - Wien Erzherzog-Karl-Straße - Wien Simmering - Wien Südbahnhof Bstg. 1-9 (7:27)
  • ER 1852 Wien Südbahnhof Bstg. 1-9 (11:47) - Wien Simmering - Wien Erzherzog-Karl-Straße - Wien Leopoldau - Korneuburg - Stockerau - Hollabrunn - Hetzmanndorf-Wullersdorf - Guntersdorf - Platt - Zellerndorf - Retz - Satov - Znojmo (13:38)
  • ER 1853 Znojmo (10:52) - Satov - Retz - Zellerndorf - Platt - Guntersdorf - Hetzmanndorf-Wullersdorf - Hollabrunn - Stockerau - Korneuburg - Wien Leopoldau - Wien Erzherzog-Karl-Straße - Wien Simmering - Wien Südbahnhof Bstg. 1-9 (12:47)
  • ER 1854 Wien Südbahnhof Bstg. 1-9 (15:47) - Wien Simmering - Wien Erzherzog-Karl-Straße - Wien Leopoldau - Korneuburg - Stockerau - Hollabrunn - Hetzmanndorf-Wullersdorf - Guntersdorf - Platt - Zellerndorf - Retz - Satov - Znojmo (17:38)
  • ER 1855 Znojmo (14:52) - Satov - Retz - Zellerndorf - Platt - Guntersdorf - Hetzmanndorf-Wullersdorf - Hollabrunn - Stockerau - Korneuburg - Wien Leopoldau - Wien Erzherzog-Karl-Straße - Wien Simmering - Wien Südbahnhof Bstg. 1-9 (16:44)
  • ER 1856 Wien Südbahnhof Bstg. 1-9 (15:47) - Wien Simmering - Wien Erzherzog-Karl-Straße - Wien Leopoldau - Korneuburg - Stockerau - Sierndorf - Göllersdorf - Hollabrunn - Zellerndorf - Retz - Satov - Znojmo (17:57)
  • ER 1857 Znojmo (19:53) - Satov - Retz - Zellerndorf - Platt - Guntersdorf - Hetzmanndorf-Wullersdorf - Hollabrunn - Breitenwaida - Göllersdorf - Schönborn-Mallebern - Höbersdorf - Sierndorf - Ober Olberndorf - Stockerau - Korneuburg - Wien Leopoldau - Wien Erzherzog-Karl-Straße - Wien Simmering - Wien Südbahnhof Bstg. 1-9 (21:58)
  • ER 1858 Wien Südbahnhof Bstg. 1-9 (19:47) - Wien Simmering - Wien Erzherzog-Karl-Straße - Wien Leopoldau - Korneuburg - Stockerau - Hollabrunn - Hetzmanndorf-Wullersdorf - Guntersdorf - Platt - Zellerndorf - Retz - Satov - Znojmo (21:38)
  • IC 13404/IC 404 Kosice (13:10) - Kysak - Poprad-Tatry - Liptovsky Mikulas - Zilina - Trencin - Leopoldov - Bratislava hl.st. - Bratislava-Petrzalka - Kittsee - Bruck a. d. Leitha - Wien Meidling - Wien Westbahnhof (20:08)

Historically Mitteleuropa

Historically these are the countries of German "Mitteleuropa".

Historically, Mitteleuropa was a failed German policy to create some puppet states on the border with Russia during World War 1. So, if Germany is in Central Europe, and if the Central European countries are the countries of historical Mitteleuropa, then did the Germans want to create a puppet state of themselves? Maybe that's because this policy failed? Obviously, it's absurd and besides, it's irrelevant so I'm removing it.

CandleWithHare 17:40, 18 August 2006 (EDT)

Central European regions in States with other location

Is it possible to create this section including also e.g. South Tyrol? If not at least may I insert South Tyrol in the list of "Other destinations"? A lot of people who is visiting Central Europe decide to visit also South Tyrol which is historically and geographically Central Europe. For example also Slovenia is included in both Central and Mediterranean Europe. Bye. Strudl 20:19, 24 March 2007 (EDT)


Same thing with Croatia. 93.138.24.201 20:53, 31 March 2010 (CET)

Understand Section

Hello! I would like to add that the general public (we) have never supported the soviet ideology, 1956, 1968, Polish Solidarity, history books on aftermath of 1945 etc. shows it, and for those not living here it should be evident too. I have experienced even in Western Europe people don't know this. For inserting the following, I was sent here to consult this first here. After a week (on November 19) I will replace the Understand section to the following if there is no objection from a Central European, italics inserted by me:

It is a common mistake by outsiders to label all the former Warsaw Pact states in the region as being in Eastern Europe. Almost uniformly, inhabitants of Central Europe will be flattered and pleased if you correctly describe their countries as "central European" both geographically and culturally. Conversely, they may be upset if you lapse into Cold War stereotypes, a system installed contrary to their consent, and levels of human development, and its disappearing after-effects most regard were deprivation from the level of west by the Soviets and their local servants. East and West Germany were countries with great differences, so better to call it now, with similar level of economy eastern and western Germany. The fall of the iron curtain, at the Germans the reunification is history and seen in a very or relatively positive light by most in all of Central Europe. Remember Germans are Germans but Austrians, Liechtensteiners and most Swiss and Luxembourgers all speak German, but are not German! Czech, Polish or Slovakian may sound similar to Russian, but inhabitants of these countries will not take kindly to assumptions of cultural overlap, which is not true, their culture is different from Eastern Europe. Lastly, keep in mind that the Czech Republic and Slovakia once shared a country as well and Slovaks in general are very proud of their new found independence. While they are not currently considered part of Central Europe, the regions of western Ukraine, Kaliningrad Oblast (Russia), Alsace and parts of Lorraine (France), Alto-Adige / South Tirol - province (Italy), and Croatia are sometimes also considered Central European. This is due either to their current and or past ethnic makeup and/or previous political histories and set of cultural attitudes. The Kaliningrad oblast spent most of its history as a German speaking region and South Tirol remains a largely German-speaking region in northern Italy maintaining strong cultural ties to Austria. Even though Ukraine is predominantly an orthodox country, its westernmost part for the centuries was part of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth and later passed to Austria-Hungary which to some extent influenced it's unique culture.

I would object, for two reasons. First, I can't see what value that adds for a traveler today: it seems to be adding more text for little additional information. Second, that's rather awkward English, and would need a substantial rewrite in any case. — D. Guillaime 14:36, 13 November 2010 (EST)
I agree; it's well-intentioned but too much detail for Wikitravel. And in some cases the additions are simply redundant to text that's already there. LtPowers 15:55, 13 November 2010 (EST)
When I intend to add it I will give a shortened revision giving due weight to the issue here before it. It adds me value, the way tourists behave to me, in this case the core information would be good for them too. 86.101.192.38 14:33, 28 November 2010 (EST)