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So, I'm pretty sure that "Caribbean Islands" is not a proper name. It should have been left at "Caribbean islands", per the Wikitravel:article naming conventions. We don't capitalize common names in titles. --Evan 12:17, 5 Aug 2004 (EDT)

Why is Bermuda not listed here? Yann 12:12, 1 Sep 2004 (EDT)
Bermuda is only borderline Caribbean, it's in the Atlantic far to the north of any other Caribbean island... but Wikipedia lists it as a Caribbean island, so it's good enough for me. Will add. Jpatokal 12:17, 1 Sep 2004 (EDT)
Sorry, but in this case Wikipedia is absolutely wrong. Bermuda is no more in the Caribbean than the Azores or the Canary Islands are. It is a North Atlantic island more than 1000 miles from the nearest bit of the Caribbean. I've removed the link Jpatokal added. -- Chris j wood 18:52, 4 Sep 2004 (EDT)
CaribDigita from Wikipedia here -- Bermuda *is* totally "Caribbean" leaning-- based on its political affiliations. Bermuda, outside of the offshore financial sector is moreso seeking a common future with the Caribbean. Bermuda is an affilate of the Caribbean (CARICOM) Single Market and Economy (CSME), they are currently seeking independence from Britain to maintain its soverenty from the EU and right to un-hindered trade with the Caribbean. Bermuda is also engaged in student exchanges with a few colleges in Barbados for example. Its native business sector is primarily expanding into the Caribbean islands- as the single market moves closer to reality... Bermuda may merge their stock exchange with the yet to be formed Caribbean regional stock exchange. Bermuda is not considered "Caribbean" to many outside of the region even though it *is* in a point of view case much like Greenland is consider a part of Europe....
There's cases all over the world where 'Point of View' crosses paths with reality. Greenland-- is not considered a part of the Americas, but as a part of Europe-- even though it is clearly lies closer to North America. The twin island Republic of Trinidad and Tobago is considered "North America" by the Americans even though it lies ~8 Miles off the coast of Venezuela, S. America at the closest point. Barbados is an exception as well. It is considered as Caribbean even though it clearly lies in the Atlantic Ocean as well and doesn't actually touch the Caribbean Sea. If you goto the CIA factbook though the image they made actually incorrectly states the Caribbean Sea is on the west coast of Barbados. None the less, Barbados is still considered Caribbean even though it doesn't "fit the criteria."
Also, the Caribbean is considered a part of "N. America" even though its not actually a part of the North American tectonic plate.

Bermuda is just yet another exception to the rule, it is Caribbean-- based on identity, culture, affiliation and political ties. Just like Greenland is a part of "Europe" based on politics alone and not a part of the Americas. CaribDigita

West Indies, Antilles

I wonder if West Indies might not be a better term to use here.

Also, the Greater Antilles, Lesser Antilles, and Bahamas are three sub-groups of the islands of the Caribbean. --Evan 13:01, 21 Nov 2004 (EST)

Good spot to reference---

The majority of caribbean islands have joined the joint marketing venture named the "Caribbean Tourism Organzation (CTO)" --based in Barbados. This site contains all of the links to the official state tourist boards online. [ - Caribbean Tourism Organization] Good spot to start if anyone is just wanting to read-up on what's out there. CaribDigita

Caribbean islands is a lame name

I can say that, because I think I named it.

If this title is going to be popping up in the Wikitravel:Breadcrumb navigation everywhere, I'd love to see it be Caribbean or West Indies. Any objections? --Evan 14:02, 8 Dec 2005 (EST)

"Caribbean" alone is good. West Indies is a little old-fashioned and confusing. Jpatokal 21:50, 8 Dec 2005 (EST)
Caribbean is available, even! Good move. I was forever having to add island to the links for these places, whenever I just wanted to say ... is in the Caribbean. Perhaps this is the exception to the Bodies of water guidelines. -- Huttite 17:18, 10 Dec 2005 (EST)

Cayman Islands

Are they really in the Lesser Antilles ?

-- Beardo 18:23, 20 Feb 2006 (EST)

Netherlands Antilles in Lesser Antilles

Having the Netherlands Antilles listed as well Saba seems to be a little double. So either put all five islands of the Neth. Antilles in the list, or take Saba out. That way you have a little more consistancy in your list. Also if you have Saint Martin in the list for both sides of the island it might be nice to also add the official name for the Dutch side to the list, namely Saint Martin-Sint Maarten. The last is also the correct spelling of the name of the Dutch side in english.

Barbados airport code

Barbados should be BGI. BGT is Baghdad!!

Why not plunge forward and change it? It's easier to fix an article than to ask someone else to. :) - Todd VerBeek 18:07, 24 July 2006 (EDT)

Turks & Caicos and more

Turks & Caicos is not part of the Lesser Antilles, they should be grouped with "Other Islands" like the Bahamas are.

Aruba I am not sure if it is techincally part of the Lesser Antillies, I suspect it is technically not. It is ussually refered to as part of the ABC islands along with Bonaire and Curacou, to place the Netherland Antillies as a whole in the Lesser Antillies category is thus technically wrong, only Saba, Statia and Sint Maarten are in the Lesser Antillies . This is a common problem in the Caribbean, there are several naming conventions used. As previously suggested, West Indies would make more sense and be easier, as all the islands could be in a single group and Bahamas and T&C would not have to be simply called "Other Islands" and there would be no confusion about what belongs where.

For what its worth, most people living in these various islands call them the West Indies and never use the name Antillies. But some islands are an exception, notably the Dutch islands, US territories and Hispanolia do not refer to themselves as West Indian.

My best suggestion would be the following grouping:

Nothern Caribbean (cuba, PR, caymens, etc..) Virgin Islands (US, British and perhaps even Spanish (part of PR)) Eastern Caribbean (St. Martin down to Trinidad) ABC Islands (Aruba, Bonaire and Curacou) Exterior Islands (Bahamas, T&C, Bermuda) None of these islands are technically a Caribbean island at all, which at the very least should be noted, at the moment it is only noted for Bermuda.

Links to south american and central american counties in the Caribbean should also be included, as they are indeed considered part of the caribbean, the article name is after all Caribbean, not Caribbean Islands. Or change the article name.