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Revision as of 16:03, 19 December 2009
It would seem to me that a great advantage of a WikiTravel over any other travel guide is that WikiTravel can be as up-to-date as possible. But how do I weave time sensitive information into a general article such as this one? For instance, it might be interesting to know that Amsterdam is building a new subway system, and that certain parts of town are less easily accessible than is usual. ---Branko
-:Branko: it'd probably be a great thing to put in the top part of "Get around", since it's really a getting-around-locally question. Sound reasonable? --Evan 20:16, 9 Dec 2003 (PST)
-or a section for "travel advisories" that are valid for a finite time period, for instance Athens during the Olympics, or Amsterdam from now until the estimated subway system completion date. Can the wiki be set up to automatically remove or archive expired travel avisories (for convenience and clarity)?
What you think about a link to this page? It shows Amsterdam on Google-Maps, with user-selected photos from the highlights of Amsterdam projected on map. It is perfect for a virtual tour through the city.
My suggestion: put a link under 'Do', for example "Visit Amsterdam , a virtual tour through the city". I think this link would give value for people who want to visit Amsterdam. What do you think?
RonaldR 07:06, 6 November 2007 (EST)
- Sorry, we have rather strict External links policies, so that would not be appropriate. Why not mention it on Wikitravel Extra? Jpatokal 08:36, 6 November 2007 (EST)
Add 'Prostitutes' to the "Do" list
They're one of A-Dam's biggest draws and certainly a popular pass-time among many tourists.
-Jackmont Dec 26, 2006
Biking in Amsterdam
We might want to put all biking information together in one paragraph, since now you can find info about biking at least 3 different paragraphs:
- On foot and bike
- Stay safe
I don't know if it's okay to put 'welldones' on the talk pages, but I don't know where else to say it! This page is fantastic, very informative, exactly what a good guide should be. Thankyou!
- The best way to say you love a page is to propose it on Wikitravel:Destination of the Month candidates. April in Amsterdam, anyone? Jpatokal 11:36, 5 Mar 2005 (EST)
Sombody added this link
Maybe some Wikitraveler passing through Amsterdam could check this out. I don't know if it should get its own article here or just a long paragraph in the Get Out section, as usual it depends on having places to sleep.
De Zaanse Schans.
-- Mark 09:46, 22 Apr 2005 (EDT)
Is the strippenkaart really allowed to use for the NS trains in Amsterdam??? There are not many trains within Amsterdam... and I also never heard of this before. The NS website doesn't mention this.
- It's only on some routes (complements the metro system), There is a page on the NS site (Dutch) listing the line sections for Amsterdam and other cities.. Go to www.ns.nl, choose 'nederland' at the top, Then 'Kaartjes' in the blue horizontal navbar. Now in the yellow navbar on ther left choose 'Kaartsooten' and then 'Speciale treinkaartjes'. Scroll down through the list in the main page and select 'Strippenkaart en Sterabonnement'. Easy..not!
- The URL I see is: http://www.ns.nl/serhvlet/Satellite?cid=1076057854926&pagename=www.ns.nl%2FArtikel%2FOverig_www.ns.nl&p=1075382368841&lang=nl&c=Artikel but I have no confidence that this will continue to work.
- -- EasyTarget 18:46, 18 May 2005 (EDT)
Yes you can travel with a strippenkaart on any NS train within the Amsterdam Boundaries (as long as you have enough "zones").
I am quite sure about this as I often do it myself to get from the amsterdam burbs to the inner city.
Hraicom 05:39, 14 December 2006 (EST)
Hello all, I live close to the RAI Congress Centre and Schiphol, in the south of Amsterdam. The usage of trains is only valid here in Amsterdam, and maybe in the other great cities as well.
The Hague, Utrecht, Rotterdam. The zonerule sounds good enough to try it out anywhere.
The thing here in Amsterdam is, the strippenkaart is NOT VALID from September 2009, for the use of a chipcard will be the only valid transportation payment, habitants can choose to take one with their own identity and usefull for other information as well. But it will also be possible to use an anonimous prepaid card.
HOW TO use this new card. 1.Hold the card in front of the reader and slice it gently. 2. Walk through the opening gates.
This far quite simple.. though watch it, a lot of people, say 10% forgets to chip out.. Probably getting out is swifter than getting in. So do not forget. After leaving your destination, slice the reader as subtle again, and the trip expenses will be taken of the card.
In Rotterdam this has been going on for a while, and the test is going to be nationwide now. So in the long run, you need only this card, to travel any public form of transportation, if it is the ferry, train, metro, trolly(arhnem), bus, interliners(regional bus transport) or trams, all on one card.
The other uses of this card are non familiar with me
uhmm http://www.ov-chipkaart.nl/ if you have a digital photo, you can sent it to have a personal pass, might be a new legal identification. Now only driving-license and passport are approved.
greetings from amsterdam, come visit :)
need a hangout in the middle of the night at the airport? contact me
Does anyone else actually have first hand experience with Krasnapolsky? I stayed there a couple of years ago and was not impressed. The location is great of course, but I had to wait a long time to get the room, service was generally slow, our room and the whole non-smoking floor was stinking from cannabis smoking. That is why I did not put it on Wikitravel, but maybe it was just a bad day? --elgaard 08:25, 2 Nov 2005 (EST)
Must have been a bad day, although if you were visiting during the height of the season, I can understand. The Kras is a five star luxury hotel that starts at $275 per night. If it could happen at the Kras, it could happen at any of the luxury venues. However, one must remember that pot smoking in the Netherlands is still actually illegal, though highly tolerated.Seth1066 23:59, 10 April 2007 (EDT)
Stay safe: begging
In the "stay safe" section, it says: "Also ignore beggars since they can be quite rude and giving them money is not allowed." I find this remark quite rude itself; beggars include many a homeless person, who survives this way. But perhaps more relevantly, the assertion that it "is not allowed" to give them money strikes me as very odd and most probably simply incorrect. I've never heard of this. The "Algemene Plaatselijke Verordening" of the city of Amsterdam (http://biodata.asp4all.nl/centralestad/2006/2796/2796.html) does note that begging itself is forbidden, but that doesn't mean that _giving_ a beggar money is forbidden.
--Joost 19:11, 22 January 2006 (GMT)
Perhaps the difficult distinction can be made between junkies and real homeless people. Junkies use most of the money they get to buy drugs, they are usually also involved in theft, and worse robbery. Homeless people usually aren't criminal in the sense that their crimes (begging, sleeping outside) are victimless crimes. In general junkies are very thin, they walk with a limp, and are often a lot more in your face, and often unfortunately from a specific ethnic group which you'll learn to spot soon enough when you're there. Real homeless people look as they do everywhere in the west, often with beard and carrying lots of bags, etc. Actually I think I'll put some of this in the safety section. --PeterW
For User 22.214.171.124
It looks a bit weird if an article talks about something and then suddenly contains a statement stating that the preceding or following sentence is not right in some way. If you feel you know better then just go ahead and change the text.
Concerning the smartshops, I used to work for an organisation called Unity who work issues to do with drugs and youth, for them I went around visiting smartshops and quizzing them on their knowledge of things like the MAO (Mono Amino Oxidase) inhibitors they were selling. I found for instance that only in CD did they have accurate information on the real dangers involved with these substances when consumed within 24 hours of also consuming ubiquitous things as aged cheese and red wine. Furthermore CD is the oldest smartshop in the world, having actually invented the entire concept 'smartshop' in '94, they really are the most professional about selling these sometimes risky products. PeterW 12:47, 1 April 2006 (EST)
- They don't "claim to" do this honestly and responsibly anywhere, they just do. I've seen other shops sellling products which can be seriously toxic, like the MAO inhibitors mentioned above, firstly without knowing what the hell they were talking about and secondly without any kind of warning. In CD I've seen irresponsible first-timers return completely distraught because they're under the influence and being taken care of, I'm certain any other shop would send them away and tell them to go to a hospital.
What about the touristic card "I amsterdam"?
Do you think it's worthy? . From the website Amsterdam.info: "The Amsterdam card is your entrance ticket to a long list of Amsterdam museums, city's attractions and all buses, trams and metro in Amsterdam. Please note, train tickets to and from the airport are not included in the product." It costs EUR 33 for 24 hours, EUR 43 for 48h and EUR 53 for 72h. I think it would be good to include a section about this pass. I am staying in Amsterdam for one week, and I decided to buy the Museemkart instead, so that I can go to the museums without rushing to see everything in 48hs - and also to force myself to come back at some point in the summer, as the museum card is valid for one year. -- 07:32, 29 December 2006 (EST)
Linkspamming in the Hotel section
Hotel website easytobook . com frequently abuses the hotel section for linkspamming.
I have just removed their links to the krasnapolsky and Victoria hotel.
- Thanks! I accidentally rolled back your change; the official links looked a lot less plausible than the third-party ones. Anyways, they're currently pointing to the official ones. --Evan 09:34, 11 January 2007 (EST)
Why no information regarding camping in the Amsterdam area?
You don't want to camp there. There's nowhere for it.
--there's many camping areas very close to the city, less than 20 minutes on the tram, they should perhaps be included
Why is there no section for coffeeshops as there is for places to drink and eat. Would that screw up the overall format?
- Yes it would. The idea is that the general outline should be consistent with all of the other articles, and the subject of coffeeshops is pretty well covered without resorting to breaking the outline. -- Mark 03:49, 29 July 2007 (EDT)
Wrong Formatting on Hotel Section
Noticed that there is bad formatting on most of the hotel links. For example:
- Amsterdam budget hotel the Crown between Red Light District and CS..  
When I get time I will convert them into correct sleep format, if anyone else wants to help?
Travelempire 10:19, 10 March 2008 (EDT)
Huge City? Districts proposal
It's always seemed to me Amsterdam deserves the 'Huge City' status.
Howhttp://files.wikitravel.org/mw/skins/common/images/button_bold.png do others feel? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 126.96.36.199 (talk • contribs)
- There is enough content here, and Amsterdam is a large enough city, where districts could make sense. Do you have a proposal in mind? --Peter Talk 16:38, 15 May 2009 (EDT)
- I suggest splitting into Central (within the canals or the 'grachtengordel'), between Central and the ring (red line on this picture ) and outlying. --Babbelas 09:08, 1 June 2009 (EDT)
I think it's useless, there is not much to do outside of the center. The way Amsterdammers devide Amsterdam is along it's (future) political lines, which is a combination of certain neighborhoods:
- West (Westerpark, Oud-West, De Baarsjes, Bos en Lommer)
- New West (Geuzenveld-Slotermeer, Slotervaart, Osdorp and eventually Westpoort)
- South (Oud-Zuid, Zuideramstel)
- East (Oost-Watergraafsmeer, Zeeburg)
But it's not very useful as tourists should only go to the center district. New West and Southeast should even be strictly avoided as they are unsafe areas. North and East are utterly boring, while only South and maybe West could be of limited interest (South for the Albert Cuyp Markt and Museum Square, West for the Vondelpark). Globe-trotter 13:20, 10 November 2009 (EST)
- Useless might be a bit rough on the city ;) The main thing is that we should be covering all areas of the city (since the basic Wikitravel philosophy is that we shouldn't have gaps in our coverage of the world). If South & West are worth covering, perhaps it would make sense to group them in the Outlying areas article? That way, content on those areas, which probably will only appeal to either long-term and adventurous travelers, or to travelers staying there for some reason (family, dormitories, etc.), will be easily available, and won't bog down the Central article, and waste the time of the average traveler who only wants to see that area? Three districts for a city of 1.25 million doesn't sound like it would spread content too thin, and if we get more info, we could consider subdividing further.
- That's all I'll add, though, since I don't know anything of the city... outside the center ;) --Peter Talk 20:58, 30 November 2009 (EST)
- I agree they should be included somewhere, but I think subdividing is only useful if we split up the Central article (just like London). Because that's where pretty much all the sights are. Then we could combine these articles with the surrounding areas to make sure that there are no gaps. Globe-trotter
- I made a subdivision which I think makes a lot of sense for travelers. Before I wasn't happy with the 'outer districts' idea, but we have to cover all of Amsterdam, so I still think it's the best solution to have it. I propose the following district division, of course I want your comments, and its still open for debate:
- Old Center. Obviously the most important part of Amsterdam. If it's too big, we could also divide this district by the black line I drew, which would form the districts New Side (Dam Square) and Old Side (Nieuwmarkt-Red Light District).
- Canal Belt. The Dutch call this area the Grachtengordel, maybe we could use that name, or we could call it the Canal Ring. Anyway, it's an easy-defined district, as the very-rich live here. As the black line on the map shows, it could be divided into a Western Canal Belt and a Southern Canal Belt, but I don't think that's necessary really.
- Jordaan. Again, a logical district and very well-known. Used to be a very poor area, but a lot of gentrification happened in the area and now it's quite hip (a bit like The Village in Manhattan).
- Plantage. A bit less-interesting neighborhood, but should definitely be there. I'd like some comments whether the Old Jewish Quarter should be added to this, or if that area should stay in the Old Center. Also the Oosterpark could be added to it to form Plantage-Oosterpark, but culturally/historically that wouldn't make sense. That would only be for the sake of adding the Tropenmuseum and Oosterpark as they're a bit popular.
- Old South. This is a combined district. The Museum Quarter is a rich area with the Vondelpark and PC Hooftstraat, while "De Pijp" is a typical folk lower-class area. They together form the official Old South political district. They can also be 2 separate districts, but I don't want too many districts for Amsterdam, thats why I think they can be combined. The name is hard. Old South is a bit bland, maybe Museum Quarter-De Pijp? Problem is that a part of the neighborhoods I want to include are actually called "New South", but the general term "South" covers a whole wider area, so that doesn't work either.
- Outer districts. The rest of Amsterdam, including North, New West, Old West, Westpoort, Zuideramstel, East, Zeeburg and South East.
Suggestions and comments please :) Globe-trotter 17:44, 8 December 2009 (EST)
- Looks good, though, I've always thought a district ringing the entire town in one article is a poor solution, they are hard to write, and hard to follow for people using the guide. How about breaking that one up into North and South of Ij? Surely if Copenhagen can carry Northern suburbs and Southern suburbs guides, so can Amsterdam. --Stefan (sertmann) talk 13:05, 11 December 2009 (EST)
- I agree it's hard to write an article like that. But the IJ is a pretty bad marking line as most of the outer districts are south of IJ. That's why I made an Amsterdam Proposal 2, see the map on the right. North, West and East-South East all broken down into separate districts.
- North is divided into Urban North (west of black line) and Rural North (east of black line), I guess we can combine them, though their character is strikingly different.
- West is a huge area, but the large New West area should be avoided. The other neighborhoods can be interesting though, but still for adventurous travellers.
- East-South East is the one I'm least happy with.. South East generally should be avoided (except for the center around Amsterdam ArenA and Heineken Music Hall, which is a good area), East is interesting for adventurous travellers around the Oosterpark. Yet, I'm not really happy with combining these areas, as they are physically separate and quite different too. But making a specific South East article also doesn't seem rewarding, generally there's not that much to do there and most of it is best avoided.
To fix the problem of the 2 "islands", we could also combine Plantage and East into a Plantage-Oosterpark area, as I did in Proposal 3. It works, but one problem: we'd need to create a South East article, which probably wouldnt be a very nice one. Globe-trotter 12:47, 13 December 2009 (EST)
- I really hope someone could join the discussion. That much knowledge of Amsterdam is not even required, I'm more wondering whether it's possible to have one district with two "islands" or if that's weird. Globe-trotter 16:28, 16 December 2009 (EST)
- It's a tough question. To clarify, in what article would the area between East and Southeast be covered, given that it is not part of the municipality? As for joining the islands of Plantage-Oosterpark, I think that is perfectly fine.
- Wish I could help out more with the nitty-gritty, but my dazed, sleepless 15 hour ramble through the city between a flight from NYC and a flight to Tbilisi did not lend to a good understanding of city geography! --Peter Talk 01:36, 17 December 2009 (EST)
- Thanks for the reply! And I totally understand about the flight :P The area between East and South East would be covered in Diemen and Duivendrecht, two separate towns with a different municipality. I feel most for Proposal 3, though I don't know about the South East article. Most of Diemen is quite similar to South East though, maybe a combination of Diemen-South East would be an option... Though I don't know if people from Diemen would appreciate that, as officially it's not part of Amsterdam. But Diemen is not very travellers-oriented, and its very similar to South East. And it has Amsterdam around it, maybe traveller-wise it'd be more logical to add it to Amsterdam. Globe-trotter 03:41, 17 December 2009 (EST)
OK, I drew a district map of Amsterdam. I added the Haarlem Neighborhood to the Jordaan area, in soul and character it is pretty close to it with the little boutiques and restaurants (though its officially not a part of it). I'm happy with these districts, except for Plantage-Oosterpark. I feel like Plantage could easily sustain a separate district article. It also has a different history than East, as Plantage was a rich leafy area built in 16th century, while East are suburbs from the 19th century. Maybe we could give Plantage it's own article, or maybe even combine it as Plantage-Old Jewish Quarter. Then East would be a separate district (including Oosterpark). For now I got this:
|| Old Center |
This area can be divided in the New Side, with it's traditional architecture, canal tours, Dam Square, shops, and in the Old Side with the Warmoesstraat, the Red Light District and Chinatown. The Old Jewish Quarter is also part of this district.
|| Grachtengordel |
Probably the wealthiest neighborhood with plenty of Dutch celebrities living here. Also includes Rembrandt Square and Leyden Square with most of the city's nightlife.
|| Jordaan |
Traditionally a working class area, now it's an expensive and hip district with plenty of art galleries, specialty shops and restaurants.
|| Plantage-Oosterpark |
A leafy area, home to Artis Zoo and the Oosterpark, also includes the Eastern Docklands, Eastern Islands and the rest of East Amsterdam.
|| Museum Quarter-South |
A trip to Amsterdam is not complete without a visit to one of it's museums. Also covers the Vondelpark, De Pijp (with it's street market) and the South Axis, a rapidly developing business district similar to La Défense in Paris.
|| West |
A vast suburban area which spans from the Westerpark till the multicultural Slotervaart district. Most of it is off-the-beaten-path for most travelers.
|| North |
Directly north of the center is a newly-built suburb. East of that is the Rural North, a protected polder area similar to the traditional Dutch villages in the Waterland and Zaan Region.
|| Bijlmer |
An exclave of Amsterdam, separated from the rest of Amsterdam by Diemen and Duivendrecht, the Bijlmer was forseen as a town of the future for upper-middle class families. It turned into a lower-class residential district home to people of over 150 nationalities, often associated with crime and robberies. It has improved remarkably the last years, but it still is an area only for adventurous travelers (and football fans).
Globe-trotter 08:53, 17 December 2009 (EST)
- I think you (or someone else) should think about a way to mark Diemen and Duivendrecht, otherwise I think people not familiar with Amsterdam will be confused. --Stefan (sertmann) talk 09:22, 17 December 2009 (EST)
- I put some titles on the map now, but it's still not really clear. Maybe there should be a district Amsterdam/Diemen-Duivendrecht? I know it's not the same municipality, but maybe it makes sense for travellers (who will have to travel through it by metro to reach Bijlmer. Duivendrecht is in the same municipality as Ouderkerk aan de Amstel, but they are remarkably different. Duivendrecht is an urban suburb of Amsterdam, Ouderkerk is a rural village. Globe-trotter 11:50, 17 December 2009 (EST)
- I think many huge cities span multiple municipalities, The Copenhagen guide spans almost 20. Travellers don't really care about municipal borders I would venture.
- If you are willing to put the work in to get those districts up to usable over a couple of months, I have nothing but encouragement. But otherwise a Bijlmer, Diemen and Duivendrech (East?) district might be a more sensible approach to limit the work load. --Stefan (sertmann) talk 12:47, 17 December 2009 (EST)
- Problem is that Duivendrecht has quite a different soul than Bijlmer. The same could be said of North and Central Diemen, though South Diemen is quite equal to Bijlmer. These towns are separate municipalities because they have a historic nature. Duivendrecht is one of the oldest towns of the Amsterdam-Amstelland area, and most of it is rural . Travellers to Duivendrecht and Diemen will see old farms , houses , "Fortress" Diemerdam , etc., while travellers to Bijlmer will see an enormous urban high-rise district . I agree that we should try to keep the districts limited though, that's why I was happy we wouldn't have to include these in Amsterdam... If we'd have to include them somewhere, obviously Bijlmer would be the choice. And it's have to be renamed South East (Diemen and Duivendrecht are not part of Amsterdam South East, but this covers the region better than Bijlmer). I'm not so well-known in Diemen and Duivendrecht, but I know a lot about Bijlmer. Globe-trotter 13:40, 17 December 2009 (EST)
- After the comments, I got this now. Merged all of East, Bijlmer (South East), Duivendrecht and Diemen into a large East district:
|| Old Center |
This area can be divided in the New Side, with it's traditional architecture, canal tours, Dam Square, shops, and in the Old Side with the Nieuwmarkt, the Red Light District and Chinatown. Also includes the Old Jewish Quarter with Waterloo Square.
|| Grachtengordel |
Probably the wealthiest neighborhood with plenty of Dutch celebrities living here. Also includes Rembrandt Square and Leyden Square, the city's main nightlife areas.
|| Jordaan |
Traditionally a working class area, now it's an expensive and hip district with plenty of art galleries, boutiques and restaurants.
|| Plantage |
Supposed to be an extension of the Grachtengordel, lack of demand made this into a leafy area with lots of greenery, botanical gardens and Artis Zoo.
|| South |
A trip to Amsterdam is not complete without a visit to the Museum Quarter. This district also covers the Vondelpark, De Pijp (with the Albert Cuyp Market) and the South Axis, a rapidly developing business district similar to La Défense in Paris.
|| West |
A vast suburban area which can be divided in Old West, built in the 19th century, and New West, a multicultural off-the-beaten track area built after World War II.
|| North |
Directly north of the center lies North, a newly-built suburb. Also includes the area east of that, the Rural North, a protected polder area similar to the Waterland and Zaan Region.
|| East |
Mostly built in the 20th century, this vast lower-class residential district includes the Oosterpark, the Bijlmer and the officially non-incorporated towns of Duivendrecht and Diemen.
Globe-trotter 10:58, 19 December 2009 (EST)