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Information.png   Welcome to Wikitravel Shared, Stephen sommerhalter!

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License upgrade[edit]

Hey Stephen, we will not remove anything yet, as there is no decision to upgrade the license, but in case we do decide to upgrade, we'll need to know which language versions you contributed to, and under which user names. sertmann 15:34, 20 October 2009 (EDT)

Oh, and by the way, looking at your contribution history I figure this is because you want those images removed. just to remind you, they are already licensed under CC-by-sa 3.0. so they will not be affected by the license upgrade, and hence not subject to deletion. Your text contributions on English Wikitravel (mainly to Point Rayes and Mill Walley) are though - do you still wish to have those contributions removed [1] in case we upgrade? sertmann 15:55, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
Thanks for getting back to me. All my contributions are in English under the name Stephen sommerhalter. (The lower case "s" in my last name is a typo that I made while creating my account). I would like everything removed that can be removed. Speaking of Mill Valley, I noticed today that iGuide is using my watermarked photo from Shared Wikitravel, but without the watermark. I've written to them requesting that they use the watermarked version. Thanks again Stephen sommerhalter 16:06, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
Cool cool, I've added you to my to do list, so I'll make sure to get your details in when the process gets started if you aren't around. It doesn't look too complicated separating out your text content and deleting it, so it should be smooth sailing. By the way, if you don't mind me asking, looking though all of this, I'm still kind of puzzled with all the reversals, image removal requests etc. I can't find anything that triggered it? sertmann 16:20, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
Thanks again. I have found a few instance of commercial sites feeding off of WikiTravel and Shared that require several clicks to get to the attribution, which for all practical purposes means that the attribution never will be seen. The sites that I wrote to about this have replied that they are within their rights, but after having studied the terms of the license, I disagree. I thought that I had solved that problem for all concerned by watermarking, but today I saw that watermarking on WikiTravel Shared does not work all the time. So, I am sad to say that I am not a good fit for WikiTravel. I wish you well on the site, you have been very helpful.
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Stephen, do you realize that if we remove your contributions here, they will still be irrevocably licensed under CC-by-SA 1.0, and thus the other sites with whose re-use you are unhappy will still be able to continue using your content? --Peter 05:11, 1 November 2009 (EST
I have mentioned to Stephen that we are unable to use his photo with the copyright symbol since this seems contrary to the Creative Commons license. No problem with your name in the watermark, but perhaps the symbol should be (CC) instead of (C). Stephen, I'm so sorry you feel unhappy with the current attribution, especially by many Wikitravel re-using sites. It seems that the easiest solution may be to have your content removed, and that would at least stop future propagation of your content. It seems that people will always make commercial copies of WikiTravel, with varying degrees of compliance with the CC license. And lets not forget that WikiTravel itself is a commercial site. Since it seems you're unhappy even with legal "click-through" attribution, perhaps removal would be for the best. -- Alex
A minor nitpick: Creative Commons licensed works are still copyrighted; they merely have certain default rights licensed away (non-reproduction, etc).[2] Generally speaking, everything that is not in the public domain is copyrighted, including freely licensed works. So a copyright symbol like (c) or © is certainly compatible with Creative Commons licenses. The only issue would be if people incorrectly assumed the copyright symbol meant "all rights reserved". -Kotra 16:09, 7 December 2009 (EST)
Hello. I just checked to see whether my photos have been deleted, and they are still there. Maybe you are waiting to hear back from me. Yes, I understand that removing them now might not impact any current use of them that is in compliance with the copyright, as partially modified by the CC Licence 3.0. Thanks again for removing all my photos, and for being so helpful. Stephen Sommerhalter 15:56, 31 May 2010 (EDT)
They are still here because you licensed them under ccbysa 3.0 when you uploaded them, which is and always has been compatible with our license, before and after the upgrade. Only your text contributions were subject to the upgrade objection, and those have been removed. However, the images aren't integral to the guides they were illustrating, so I've nominated them for deletion. If the community agrees, then they will be deleted.... however if they object and keep them, please walk away quietly as they are here legally and can be kept if so desired. Thanks! – cacahuate talk 02:36, 1 June 2010 (EDT)