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Script nomination on ja:[edit]

Hello Jani-san,

I'm going to use pywikipedia on the Japanese version of WT with modification; e.g. adding "/Run" pages check. Today, I submitted a request for bot approval to ja:Wikitravel:スクリプト登録依頼#Tatatabot. Would you approve it? -- Tatata 11:47, 4 January 2009 (EST)

Dear Mr. Patokaillo[edit]

it's obvious you have a lot vested in the site. you've written a couple of guidebooks and you spend A LOT of time on it. but the bottom line is, whatever you write on it is free for anyone to edit or replace if they are offering an updated or better version without getting hassled on it for really no apparent reason other than...what...a wounded ego? of all people, bureacrats (a befitting title) which you are one should be more aware of this than anyone [[1]]. i will continue to go on editing your or anyone else's work if need be and if you want to nip at my heels for some personal reason I find childish, then do as you wish. it is just unfortunate how you're turning a very good and earnest idea (Wikitravel) into something annoying and tedious. Paula 00:11, 6 January 2009 (EST)

WTP template[edit]

Doesn't seem to be working? --Peter Talk 00:52, 7 January 2009 (EST)

Nevermind, brain hiccup. I have the right sidebar turned off in my preferences. --Peter Talk 17:26, 7 January 2009 (EST)


Jani, I did not block EE in regards to his behavior on his talk page. I did so in regards to his edit warring, adding abusive comments on my talk page. Unblocking him was innapropriate. This case has been discussed here, and it would be better to discuss it there than to override me for following that procedure well within the bounds of what we were discussing. --Peter Talk 03:12, 7 January 2009 (EST)

And actually, so was unprotecting. As far as I know, what I did was perfectly within the bounds of our current policy, if perhaps not explicitly sanctioned by it. Discussing first would have been a better way to deal with this disagreement. --Peter Talk 03:27, 7 January 2009 (EST)
One thing that is not explained and I want you Peter to explain it - how am I being abusive? The only reason why I 'edit war' is because you won't even give me the time of day and that really makes me mad. edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 21:20, 7 January 2009 (EST)/

Feedback Appreciated[edit]

Wow, I am flattered to be nominated. As for Colorado's Wine Country and the "purple prose," please feel free to get out the hedge clippers and trim away my excesses. Sometimes, its hard to see the edits after staring at the screen for so long, reading and rereading. If there's anything else you'd like to see added or fleshed out about the area, I can work on it so that the article doesn't end up in the slush pile. I will hunt down some maps next. WineCountryInn 23:20, 8 January 2009 (EST)Talk

Winery Placement[edit]

Hi Jani. I'm keeping abreast of the discussion about the article nomination, and would like to weigh in on the placement of the wineries. I'd rather see them listed in Colorado's Wine Country than in the break downs for individual wine communities. Won't this help the article in its comprehensiveness and further it on its way to becoming a star? Other developments: I have a map on the way from the Palisade CofC, and should have a jpeg (and permission) by Monday for submission. The other cities under Wine Regions will take a little bit of time to flesh out. WineCountryInn 15:47, 9 January 2009 (EST)Talk

Hi Jani. The map is now up at Colorado's Wine Country. WineCountryInn 19:30, 11 January 2009 (EST) Talk

Listing editor on zh[edit]

Hello Jani-san,

Someone has started hotel listing on the Chinese version of WT.[2]

I think it's nice to enable the listing editor to be working on the version. If I was admin there, I could set it up myself. Would you set it up, or just flip my sysop flag? -- Tatata 02:05, 9 January 2009 (EST)


Dear Jani-san,

Could you please check the redirect page I created for any problems? I am new to creating disambiguation pages. thanks Sulfis 07:11, 10 January 2009 (EST)


Psst: {subst:welcome} is the easy automated way to welcome people. Jpatokal

HAHA - thanks for the subtle reminder. Due to a heavy work load, it has been some time since I had the opportunity to welcome anyone. I'd forgotten about the auto welcome. Cheers. WindHorse 12:34, 12 January 2009 (EST)


Thanks for reverting this edit. I looked at that edit this morning and somehow convinced myself that it updated the regions to correctly match the map and marked it as patrolled - my bad. Apparently I need to start drinking stronger coffee... -- Ryan • (talk) • 22:49, 16 January 2009 (EST)

Bad mood?[edit]

What's this all about?: ENGLISH, MOTHERFUCKER, DO YOU SPEAK IT? DOES WIKITRAVEL LOOK LIKE A BITCH? Is this not your first interaction with this user? Texugo 00:45, 17 January 2009 (EST)

Sorry to jump in - I suspect it's a Pulp Fiction quote that, taken out of context, looks unbelievably harsh. Given the edit that was reverted it's quite funny if you get the reference, but given the fact that many people won't recognize it is something that probably requires explanation. -- Ryan • (talk) • 01:35, 17 January 2009 (EST)
Yup. Also, the India#Cities page goes to extraordinary lengths (take a look at the source!) to tell people not to change it without discussion... Jpatokal 04:06, 17 January 2009 (EST)
I'd just like to note that we don't like to be fucked by anyone but Mrs Wallace, and I'm pretty sure she hasn't even been to India-ochina – cacahuate talk 12:57, 17 January 2009 (EST)
LOL! Jpatokal 22:03, 18 January 2009 (EST)


Mind giving a comment over here: Talk:Tokyo#Railway_map ?--Stefan (sertmann) Talk 22:48, 26 January 2009 (EST)

Do you have Scandinavia watchlisted? anyway, thanks for time and time again correcting my English, hope it's not too much trouble :) --Stefan (sertmann) Talk 08:17, 28 January 2009 (EST)


Remember I mentioned in the Saudi Arabia talk page that I said Pokemon is banned in Saudi Arabia. Well this based of these articles (there was also a CNN article, but it was removed):

[3] [4] [5]

And what gives on removing that gay part in Zimbabwe, I'm warning travelers not to go there since it is illegal there and chances are gays and lesbians may get beaten up.

Also, a month ago, I added a tip for gay and lesbian travelers in the China article, since you been to China, I was wondering if can full confirm this:

China is relatively safe for gay and lesbian travelers, as China has no laws against homosexuality. However, the government currently does not recognize same-sex relationships, and homosexual related contents in the media are often censored or banned in China (the controversial film, Brokeback Mountain, is banned in China because of this). Homosexuality is still taboo in China and many Chinese would not like discuss homosexual related topics. Regardless, violence against gays and lesbians are relatively rare. --Dark Paladin X 23:59, 27 January 2009 (EST)

User:Edmontonenthusiast is back[edit]

Just a heads up. User:Edmontonenthusiast has snuck in and altered his disclaimer box. WineCountryInn 15:08, 30 January 2009 (EST)

Yeah, I noticed, personally i think we should leave it, and avoid stirring up anything - it's so nice and peacefull at the moment :) --Stefan (sertmann) Talk 16:38, 30 January 2009 (EST)
Too late. I reverted it before you even commented. Texugo 23:13, 30 January 2009 (EST)
I would not panic about it. The reversion is justified because only Logged On Users should be editing their own user pages. It is quite appropriate to revert the page, and possibly appropriate to ban the IP for the rest of the duration of the user ban too! Guilty until proven innocent, in this case, I say. Perhaps we should consider this to be included in any user ban policy too. In any case he did promise not to edit - for a month. - Huttite 23:24, 30 January 2009 (EST)

Pullman Hotel[edit]

Hi Jpatokal,

Yes, I removed this hotel because it is not even remotely close to the Sukhumvit Road area. I did add a note explaining this in the Discussion area of the Sukhumvit article, in which I also mentioned that I added two other 5 star hotels along Sukhumvit Road which were missing from the article, plus removed one other - The Amari Watergate - which is also not in the Sukhumvit area. Dantilley 22:59, 1 February 2009 (EST)

Small bit of help required[edit]


I made a mistake I'm wondering if you can help me to rectify. I meant to add a new section in the shopping area of Bangkok/Silom for "Malls" but when I tried to do this, it just added a small bullet point in the main shopping intro area. Without any obvious way to undo this, the nearest way I could find to delete this was to delete the text in the bullet point - but this didn't quite work, and so now there's a stray bullet point left hanging above the "Markets" heading! How can this be removed?

Incidentally, what I was doing (and still intend to do) was to add a new section on Malls to include The Silom Complex, Central Silom and The Thanyia Center. The former of that list would be moved from it's current location in "Stores".

Thanks! Dantilley 23:59, 4 February 2009 (EST)

Purging the cache fixed it. Texugo 00:05, 5 February 2009 (EST)

open id[edit]

Do you know anything about this?cacahuate talk 18:58, 15 February 2009 (EST)

Layover in SIN city[edit]


LH/SQ changed my flight and therefore I now arrive with some buggers in early March at 6 AM in SIN. Do you have a tip for a nice breakfast place in town to chill a bit (nice view)? Thanks in advance and have a good time in Laos. jan 14:22, 18 February 2009 (EST)

Jani, i didn't expected to see you in Changi at 6 AM ;-) I stay from 7th March 6AM until 8th March afternoon in Singapore with mum & sis to meet Singapore National Parks @ Fort Canning Rise. They open from 9AM onwards and the sunrice restaurant their opens at the same time. A mixture of Western & Asian food would be great to get a taste and not always the same hotel breakfast sausages... If you are in town it would be great to have a drink in the evening. jan 05:10, 19 February 2009 (EST)


Please see my response at Talk:Hamamatsu. Thanks. Texugo 22:23, 19 February 2009 (EST)

shared:Multilingual statistics[edit]

Hello! The multilingual statistics on shared is not udated last friday. -- Sergey kudryavtsev 12:54, 1 March 2009 (EST)


Care to comment on this? Talk:Zhuhai#Photos_and_titles or whether it is now near guide, or DotM candidate? Pashley 23:38, 11 March 2009 (EDT)


Please do not remove changes that were already talked about. Look at the discussion page before you edit. the proposal to change the regions in israel was up for disccusion for over 2 weeks, and was also posted on the pub discussions to make sure no one objects to this change. As no one objected to update and improve this value, i see no reason to delete things. If you have any objections, please use the discussion page?

i'm sorry to say, but your behavior is a bit rude. the subject was brought up in a public disccussion on the ISRAEL value page, and also posted on the public disscussions. i asked for any objections. i cannot make people comment. no one objected for over a week, and therefore, i changed it. this is the way wiki works, people change and improve values, they do not need your personal consent, its ment for everyone to edit, as long as the information is true and valuable. and as i said, i've also posted it in public a long time before i edited, to make sure no problems like this will occur. if you had or have any problems with my edits, you could and can use the disscussion page. you did not, instead you simpley delete everything. you didn't bother to disscuss it with anyone but yourself and you didn't even had any objection to the actual text. i doubt thats considered working under the rules of wiki, and i doubt its contributing to the wikitravel. i ask you again to stop discouraging people from editing, especually after it was done properly.

i don't know why, but you seem to ignore the fact that there is no objection ! you offer to open this for debate on the discussion page of Israel... i already did it 2 weeks ago. as you said yourself, if there are any objections, there should be a discussion about it first before the edit. that is why i opened it for discussion prior to editing. no one objected, no one objects now either. if it was opened up for discussion and no one decided to object, you cannot claim that its a debated topic that needs a consensus. therefore, i see no reason to remove the improvement. either everyone so far agree with the change, or no one cares. either way - this topic is not disputed.

and furthermore, i agree, lets not turn it into a you-VS-me, think about what contributes to wikitravel most and please do not delete an edit that wasn't disputed and didn't get any objections even when it was posted publicly on the discussion page 2 weeks prior to the actual editing. this is exacly what u offered - it was already done, and apperantly, the new edit is a consensus.

of course. thats why i opened it up for discussion prior to the edit, to make sure no one have any strong objections towards it. but please, only if they object to the actual change in the array of regions and for a reasonable reason !! not if another person simpley objects the idea of change in fear that it might not be a consensus, without even addressing the actual information that was changed. on a personal note, i don't understand why you seem very eagered to delete this new version instead of helping to improve this value. If you wish to keep this value under the consensus lines (as do I), it doesn't mean you can't support an improvment and helping it pass, as long as it provides true and accurate data and doesn't offend anyone (and so far, it doesn't). its a bit redicoules that after i made sure no one has any objections, you wish to delete it claming that its not a consensus because no one argued with me about it on the discussion page. also, your "request for comments" was more of a pointless slander. if you have any problem with the devision or graphical design, you can imrpove it instead of deleting. thats how wiki gets better. Also, if you expect to have an orgenized county devision in the ISRAEL value like in other countries, you probably don't know Israel well then. Israel isn't devided into clear official devisions. NO region in israel has a 100% clear geographical border, there are many diffrent devisions of the regions, and all of them overlaps each other. That is how Israel is built, if you prefer the orgenized european or chinese methods, i suggest you'll skip Israel in your travels, or send an anrgy letter to the Israeli government?

"Offbeat Guides"[edit]

Hmm. Hadn't noticed that before. It seems WTP is no longer the only company that offers published guides based on Wikitravel content — just the only one that does so competently, sells them at a reasonable price, and takes the terms of its license seriously. Gorilla Jones 00:32, 18 March 2009 (EDT)

April Fool's Day[edit]

Say, I saw that you did the You article for last year's April Fools Day, so I figured you would be the one to ask this: Is there already an effort underway for this year's April Fool's article? Cause if there isn't, I'd certainly like to start it up. I just want to make sure I'm not stepping on anyone's toes. :-) PerryPlanet Talk 18:17, 21 March 2009 (EDT)

I don't think there's been any talk so far, feel free to start something up if you have an idea :) – cacahuate talk 13:55, 22 March 2009 (EDT)


Hi. I actually deleted those listings on purpose because they didn't have a phone number or address. Would you be able to put that information in?

I've tried looking them up and couldnt find any other information, which is why I deleted those listings. Maybe you'll have better luck!


I'm not sure about that Samara move, I would have no objects if there wasn't already a Samara, but there is, and having just a accented á to distinguish the two, doesn't really seem right to me. --Stefan (sertmann) Talk 22:19, 30 March 2009 (EDT)


Thank you for your comments. I only changed the spellings from British English to American English because I wanted to follow the wikitravel style manual as closely as possible.

I will be sure to follow your advice about the currency listings and temperature measurements. I apologize for deleting the section headers; I didn't think it was visually appealing to have a bunch of empty sections. But I understand that people will want to fill it in if they see that it is empty.

From now on, I will be sure to explain my changes in the discussion sections of the city.

Cricket in India[edit]

Test matches are always international. And ODIs are One Day Internationals, different from test matches. ODIs are 50 ovs per innings, test matches are 5 day 2 innings a side Upamanyuwikitravel( Talk )( Travel ) • 10:29, 1 April 2009 (EDT)

yeah, you're right, people outside the 10 cricket playing nations won't have a clue. I merely wanted to draw your attention to the fact that you had deleted the ODI reference. Upamanyuwikitravel( Talk )( Travel ) • 07:15, 2 April 2009 (EDT)
Er, I'm a little confused. Do we write the cricket section assuming that people who come to watch cricket follow it? Or do we explain stuff in detail, so that everyone can follow the cricket section of the travel guide. Upamanyuwikitravel( Talk )( Travel ) • 07:15, 2 April 2009 (EDT)
Yup, you're right, but cricket is probably the most confusing sport in the world, and unless you've grown up with it all your life, it's nearly impossible to follow. Upamanyuwikitravel( Talk )( Travel ) • 07:42, 3 April 2009 (EDT)

Collapsible Listings[edit]

Some of us have been discussing the use of collapsible listings as a solution to the issue of long consulate/embassy lists. When investigating how to make a template for this, I saw that you had already taken a stab at it. First, I'd like to invite your input in the discussion above. Second, what's the status of this template? Do you think it's possible to make it work on WT? Are there other ways of achieving this? I noticed that the Metadata Tables for images already incorporate a collapsible component, but I haven't found the code for it yet. Thanks. --Jtesla16 21:15, 7 April 2009 (EDT)

Complaint about editing[edit]

You complained that I did not make a note as to why I removed Chez Bernard Restaurant from the Ulaanbaatar page. If you will check the history for that page, you will see my note.jstampfl 21:34, 15 April 2009 (EDT)

Your Photos[edit]

I have been keeping an eye on the shared photo gallery for some time. I must say your photo skills are maturing and your eye is getting better. Some of my favorite photos in the site are yours. I must say, I am jealous of your youth and ability to travel. It is a rare privilege for one to wander as much as it seems you do. In the end, it will make you much wiser than the average bear. 2old 10:54, 25 April 2009 (EDT)

Top Level Tour[edit]

Dear Jpatokal, Please help me! I edited Guilin and Yangshuo sections according the rules of wikitravel. And do give the right contact information of certain services which have no booking information. They are ALL CORRECT CONTACT INFORMATION NOT SPAM! I don't know why people detele my work and even block my friend's site link. As for the warn, I didn't get the message until this morning.

Please give me specific reasons not show me some links to some pages because I already wiki business pages many times these days.

Thank you! Lily

Don't tout. Jpatokal 10:27, 29 April 2009 (EDT)

Thank you very much, Jpatokal. eventually I found the problems in the pages which you left me. What should I do now if I want to put back the agency's link? I can delete all the other irrevlent information which I edited before by myself and I will help you guys to clean wikitravel in the future. Please help me get of out it. Thank you!

Jpatokal, please help the site get out of the block list because it hurts the search engine rank badly. I promise I will regiest an account and delete other irrevlent information which I edited before and then put other things in order according to wikitravel rules. Thank you! Lily

Thanks for stopping him[edit]

Some actions of some people make me want for some more buttons over here to. --Rein N. 09:33, 2 May 2009 (EDT)


Thank you for the message on my ja: talk page. I did a test run on en: to confirm /Run page checking function. The test run itself was done successfully, but I could see its log on Special:Recentchanges without clicking "Show bots" button. Would you flip the bot flag for User:Tatatabot? Thanks. -- Tatata 13:11, 5 May 2009 (EDT)

The bot started working on en:[6]. Thank you! -- Tatata 22:11, 6 May 2009 (EDT)

Hi Jani-san, I applied for bot flags at shared. I would appreciate it if you support me in bot flags of shared and the remaining 9 language versions. Can you take a look at shared:Script nominations#Tatatabot? Thanks. -- Tatata 06:53, 19 May 2009 (EDT)

Admin switch[edit]

User:Dguillaime is ready to have his new buttons. --Peter Talk 02:38, 13 May 2009 (EDT)

Multilingual statistics[edit]

They didn't update today, if I'm not mistaken. --Rein N. 05:13, 15 May 2009 (EDT)

Tokyo Disney Resort Map[edit]

Tokyo Disney Risort Map.png

Your map of Tokyo Disney Resort is flawed. Not only is it geographically inaccurate, it is also outdated, as it does not show the Tokyo Disneyland Hotel or the Cirque du Soleil Theatre. I suggest you either create a new map or import this one from Wikipedia: Jonathan 784 12:03, 21 May 2009 (EDT)

Kyoto Districts[edit]

I've added a couple of notes to Talk:Kyoto on the matter of moving to district sub-pages. Please let me know what you think. For my part, I think the main article is getting too long and unwieldy for its own good; it's probably time we spun off at least a couple of districts (to start) in order to improve readability. (Full disclosure: I'm posting this same message on the Talk pages of other users who have actively participated on Talk:Kyoto in the past. No spamming intended.) --Diego de Manila 21:10, 22 May 2009 (EDT)


Since I have exhausted my limited travel experience contributions to wikitravel, I recently found this new Wiki started in October 08. [7] They have few contributors at this time, but due to the topic, I expect they will grow fairly fast. I volunteered to be an Administrator, more like janitor. However, I do have some good things to contribute there. They are plagued by the dreaded spambot. Is blocking them the only solution, or do you have magic cure you could share with me? A while back I suggested you save some coins from your trips in Mylar flips, to avoid scratches. The sponsor of this wiki is PCGS. I can tell you, it does not get any better than them when it comes to grading and encapsulating coins. If you have saved any World Coins, I am sure they would appreciate the images. Stop by for a visit, Likely I will be making you feel right at home. Any comments would be appreciated. It is all about money. 2old 12:46, 27 May 2009 (EDT)

If you're an admin, block the spambots (I assume spambots are not permitted per policy on the wiki). Looks like many of the edits are repeat offenders. -- Colin 14:48, 27 May 2009 (EDT)
I have just agreed to this and it is my first priority. My magic buttons are not working yet, but please visit and thank you. 2old 15:17, 27 May 2009 (EDT)
Jeez. Looks like you have your work cut out for you. You may want to automate the removal of urls containing the offending terms, some of which are fairly obviously not so nice. --Wandering 23:24, 28 May 2009 (EDT)

Nominations for bureaucrat[edit]

Hi Jani-san, I nominated myself for bureaucrat of Esperanto version and Chinese version. I would appreciate it if you support me in the nominations. Can you take a look at shared:Wikitravel Shared:Administrator nominations? Thank you. -- Tatata 23:20, 27 May 2009 (EDT)

Thank you for your support on the nominations. Would you flip sysop and bureaucrat flags for zh:User:Tatata? -- Tatata 02:21, 11 June 2009 (EDT)
Wow, very quick action. Thank you so much!
Incidentally, I would appreciate it if you advise me on shared:Wikitravel Shared:Travellers' pub#Enforcement a license selection, especially #2. That change requires some effort by admins of language versions, since "Upload file" button will always be disabled on language versions which don't have MediaWiki:Licenses — Finnish version, for example. -- Tatata 05:25, 11 June 2009 (EDT)

Singapore/East Coast edit[edit]

Yes, I agree. I can only blame the fact that I couldn't find my glasses this morning. It wasn't whnt I intended by that edit. I do intend to get rid of the tastefully decorated part though, as I believe it has descended to the point of being an entirely meaningless and clichéd phrase when used by wikitravellers, and way way overused by touts. I'll fix. --inas 22:07, 3 June 2009 (EDT)

I found them again, in case you were getting concerned.. --inas 02:15, 4 June 2009 (EDT)


Once you reach a certain # of FF miles, do they just give you your own private jet? – cacahuate talk 12:41, 9 June 2009 (EDT)

Shikoku map[edit]

I had omitted Awaji Island because it's in Hyogo and doesn't have a rail link, but I suppose a piece of it should appear off the coast of Naruto. Gorilla Jones 01:01, 12 June 2009 (EDT)

Fine onions are now accessible from Shikoku. Gorilla Jones 02:12, 12 June 2009 (EDT)

Yen to Dollar Value[edit]

I had deleted the dollar value in the "Buy" after remembering many things previously deleted because they made the site too centered around the United States, so I was just wondering if listing the exchange rate against the dollar (especially when it's fluctuated a lot over the past year) should be there? ChubbyWimbus 15:53, 13 June 2009 (EDT)

Hong Kong[edit]

Sorry, I'm new at wikitravel and not sure how to send notes to other users. I'm not sure if I'm supposed to type on the top of here like this. ANyways, I didn't mean to delete mentioning of youth hostels. I just didn't know how it fits into a discussion of guesthouses since guesthouses and youth hostels are very different things. I'm glad you restored it though. --UCLARodent 04:59, 16 June 2009 (EDT) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by UCLARodent (talkcontribs)

Daisen vs. Mount Daisen[edit]

I'm not sure where to ask this, but you are familiar with these things, so I figured I'd ask you: I was thinking about starting a page for Daisen city however, I know that Wikitravel likes to list mountains as travel destinations, so Mount Daisen should have a page... Most of the things that I have seen listed to do in the city are on or related to the mountain, so I was wondering if there was a rule with that. More specifically: If I start a page, should I create a page for the mountain or the city or should they both have a page (knowing that the pages would likely be nearly identical)? Sorry if that's a dumb question, but if I start a page, I know it's best to create the page that will be used. ChubbyWimbus 22:07, 16 June 2009 (EDT)

Thanks for the suggestion! I guess I'll make it a city page then! ChubbyWimbus 22:40, 16 June 2009 (EDT)

Follow-up question regarding placement of car parking articles[edit]

Hello again...Thank you for your suggestion on the placement of my car park articles. In looking at the different "(city)#By plane" sections, it appears that these are for travellers who are arriving at the specified airport, whereas car park information is almost exclusively going to be useful only to departing travellers. This makes me think that there must be a better place to put them, or that there might be a benefit in creating a category for car park information at airports around the world. What do you think? Or can you suggest someplace that might be more appropriate for this information? Thanks again.  :-)

Stefanchou 07:35, 26 June 2009 (EDT)


I was actually looking through the "usable status" articles in hopes of finding some that may be worthy of guide status. With Guanzihling, there were a few things that made it seem like an outline: there is only one listing (albeit an interesting one) in "See", the "Do" listing is somewhat of a nameless description of what is there (also only one), One "Sleep" and "Buy" listing, and nothing in the "Drink" or "Get out" sections (although the "Get out" section tends to be less important and probably easy to remedy). I won't lie and say that I have any knowledge of this destination, so if it is the sort of place that is so remote that what is listed is representative enough to call it "usable", then feel free to revert the status change.

In previous browses, I was able to find a few to upgrade and very few to move down. Today I wasn't so lucky and I only moved some down (as is typical, most were left the same, and I generally try not to move them downward). If you think this site (or any really) should not be changed, I won't argue if you decide to restore the usable tag. ChubbyWimbus 02:47, 27 June 2009 (EDT)

Tokyo Disney Resort map (again)[edit]

Check out this map of Tokyo Disney Resort:

This would work, but it is, unfortunately, not up to date: it does not show the Tokyo Disneyland Hotel or the Cirque du Soleil theater.

Jonathan 784 20:40, 8 July 2009 (EDT)


I like that new lead photo! Gorilla Jones 23:42, 9 July 2009 (EDT)

Me too! But thank Tatata, he's the one that dug it up. Jpatokal 23:43, 9 July 2009 (EDT)
Somehow I figured someone would dislike it, but I guess I had to post it to find out. I responded to the discussion. ChubbyWimbus 03:25, 10 July 2009 (EDT)

Iya Valley[edit]

Do you have an SVG for your Iya Valley map? I'd like to give it a makeover in the current WT map style for print. Gorilla Jones 14:36, 12 July 2009 (EDT)

Sure, that's easily done. Gorilla Jones 00:08, 13 July 2009 (EDT)

"An astonishing number of them are firmly convinced..."[edit]

So very, very true. Gorilla Jones 18:40, 22 July 2009 (EDT)

Wikitravel Tr[edit]

We will finished Wikitravel Tr project.How open Wikitravel Tr internet page?

hasan_travel 11:07, 5 August 2009 (EDT)

Turkish Wikitravel[edit]

why not open turkish wikitravel page?and why deleted?

Hasan 10:02, 14 August 2009 (EDT)

User talk:Hasan travel !!! Jpatokal 11:20, 14 August 2009 (EDT)



Suomenkielisessä versiossa joku uusi botti, Volkovbot, josta en ole kuullut aikaisemmin on tehnyt pari muutosta (ei kuitenkaan mitään vandalisointia). Ajattelin vain kertoa kun en löydä mitään tietoa siitä tästä englanninkielisestä versiostakaan. Samanniminen botti löytyy kuitenkin WikiPEDIAsta [8]. Saako botteja lisätä ihan miten tahansa?

In English, if somebody else is interested: there is a new bot, Volkovbot, in the Finnish Wikitravel. Can't find any information whatsoever about it neither there nor in this English version, however there is a bot in WikiPEDIA with the same name. Ypsilon 03:21, 18 August 2009 (EDT)

Map Licensing[edit]

Many thanks your message. I have explained the situation re the licensing of the map in question on the article discussion page here: Thanks again. --Burmesedays 09:34, 1 September 2009 (EDT)

Bali, Uluwatu =[edit]

Jani please see proposal for renaming this article here: Talk:Uluwatu. It really should not be called Uluwatu which refers to a small village and temple only. --Burmesedays 08:17, 2 September 2009 (EDT)

Thanks for the kind words. The Bali articles require so much work and it gets more harrowing every time I look. I have though at least made a start. --Burmesedays 09:53, 4 September 2009 (EDT)


Hei, just for information: I put a copy of your picture to Wikimedia Commons. Kiitos! Stefan -- 14:42, 12 September 2009 (EDT)

Thanks for your help[edit]

I am posting this here instead of the article's discussion page because it is only indirectly related to the page itself. Thanks for your help on the St Jean Pied De Port page. I am new to wikitravel, and still learning all of the in's and outs and conventions, and I appreciate you helping to fix my mistakes. Let me know if you have any tips or guidance! Thanks, LBP.

Link on Nusa_Lembongan page[edit]

Discussion moved to Talk:Nusa Lembongan#Hotel website violating WT copyleft


As I was working on finishing the Kanto area cherry blossom sites, I noticed that one of the destinations was in Tochigi City, but our current Tochigi article covers the prefecture. Would it be okay if I transferred the Tochigi to Tochigi (prefecture) like the other prefectures and then made our current Tochigi article into the city's article? Perhaps this is simple enough that permission is not necessary, but I do like to consult others about these sorts of changes. ChubbyWimbus 00:08, 24 September 2009 (EDT)

The manager selection of the Japanese edition[edit]

Please give an opinion now because I select a manager with a Japanese edition.-- 17:53, 24 September 2009 (EDT)

Style Tip[edit]

Many thanks for that. It is a new one on me and I will certainly take it on board. I have created a lot of redirects and will work through each of them methodically and embolden as you suggest. Cheers.--Burmesedays 08:34, 30 September 2009 (EDT)


現在日本語版で2人のウィキトラベラーに対する管理者の選考を実施中ですので、日本語版管理者の一人として、ぜひ投票をお願いします。--Shoestring 10:58, 5 October 2009 (EDT)


Jani, User:Felix505 seems to constantly ignore the recommendations User Burmeseday, you and I had asked him. He is still dumping the article with ext. links and duplicates extremely heavy. Could you stop him for an hour or so that he has to to read the messages. The article is pretty much damaged... jan 11:18, 6 October 2009 (EDT)

User:Felix 505 under the anonymus IP is now entering repetitions in the Senggigi article. The user has not responded to any if our messages and simply works on... Peter blocked the main Lombok article for 40 Minutes but that only changed the users attention on the sub articles on this island. jan 03:59, 8 October 2009 (EDT)
Some of those edits are actually very good and I strongly suspect we have two users on the same IP (it is a non specific Telkom Speedy IP, could be an internet cafe). I will try and give you a hand over in that article Jan. --Burmesedays 04:49, 8 October 2009 (EDT)


Jani, a notorious spammer is back on the Coimbatore article. Could you please block the page again as Sertmann, Peter, Ryan and other admins had done in the last week? Thanks, jan 07:41, 22 October 2009 (EDT)

Thank you for the block, could you please undo the bycall taxi section so that the spam is out and the get out section is back again? When I'm admin I promise to do it by myself;-) Coimbatore seems to be a hot place... Thanks, jan 09:25, 22 October 2009 (EDT)

Jani, I do not want to be your pain in the arse but I have seen several users that are spambots like User_talk:Cdcd. Can I delete them when I become admin one day or do I have to nominate them for deletion? jan 11:15, 24 October 2009 (EDT)

Tokyo CotM[edit]

Since Tokyo is up for next month, I thought it would be a good idea to get an update on whether or not its ready: [9]. If it's not ready, it would be nice if you would comment and perhaps Bangkok could be moved up. I'd hate to make Tokyo CotM if you still felt that there was prep work to be done. Thanks! ChubbyWimbus 02:04, 27 October 2009 (EDT)

Upgrade refusal[edit]

wts:User_talk:Stephen_sommerhalter - he's generally just using it as a way to get his contributions removed, since he does not feel Wikitravel gives enough attribution. --Stefan (sertmann) talk 02:43, 1 November 2009 (EST)


I'd be inclined to merge & redirect this, since nothing links to to & it is a district of an undistricted city. However, I do not know the area, so I figured I'd ask you. Pashley 08:16, 3 November 2009 (EST)

Admin nom[edit]

Please comment on Sabino434's nomination. Thanks. -- 14:59, 5 November 2009 (EST)

Bleedin' Obvious..[edit]

Yes, nice start. I think at some stage we need to address the flip side, and have an article Wikitravel:How to make a quick and valuable contribution to Wikitravel in 5 minutes to our tips for new contributors, with five concrete suggestions of what you valuable content anyone could add with five spare minutes, while avoiding the 5 most common worthless pieces of information. I think WT is different to WP, in that just about everybody could have at least one valuable thing to to our guide in 5 minutes. Yes, I'm in Sydney. --inas 17:20, 23 November 2009 (EST)

Cambodia Regions[edit]

When you have a moment please look at the Cambodia talk page where I have suggested a change to the proposed regional structure. I have drawn a map which is well developed but we need to resolve what I think was perhaps an over-complication of the regions before I polish it off. Cheers. --Burmesedays 06:17, 26 November 2009 (EST)


Hi Jani - it's been more than 14 days, so could you flip the bits on this admin nomination? Thanks! -- Ryan • (talk) • 11:11, 14 December 2009 (EST)