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I am based in the Pacific Rim of the Asia-Pacific region and interested in Aviation topics - especially Singapore Airlines [3], SilkAir [4] and the destinations they fly to

I prefer to be called just Alice

Welcome myself[edit]

(I know this section heading above doesn't make much sense and makes it appear that I am losing my marbles - but that is only because of this outrageous and entirely unnecessary interference with my own original words --singaporeAlice 22:05, 2 November 2012 (EDT)

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Thanks for joining in! --Singapore.Alice 10:00, 25 September 2012 (EDT)


Test my new signature. --Alice 15:21, 26 September 2012 (EDT)

Your signature may not be that of another user either. It will be apparent to anyone who looks at the edit history of a page that it is you, and not Alice, who edited the page and left a signature that says "Alice." Please don't leave another user's signature, as it will appear to be an attempt to hide your edits, which is a violation of site policy. Thank you,--IBobi talk email 15:32, 26 September 2012 (EDT)
Before I can address your concern and respond, would you be kind enough to respond to the questions I posed in this edit:
Have you over-sighted previous contributions by what appears to be a "phantom" user that, on the face of it has never made any contributions whatsoever?
I don't know what you're referring to. Regardless of answers you do or do not get, your signature change is in violation of policy and you risk a blocked account. Also, it is odd that you welcomed yourself to WT, above... what is the purpose of that? Your contributions thus far are very odd.--IBobi talk email 16:20, 26 September 2012 (EDT)
Please read the URL I reference above to understand what I am referring to, Sir.
Nobody else welcomed me apart from the robot when I created an account so I just copied the text from that.
Should I understand that you are threatening to block me because I have edited Singapore and Singapore_Airlines and you think that/me "odd"?
Is it OK if I simply use my real name to sign?
I can fax you copies of my ID if you like?
What is the fax number, please? --singaporeAlice 04:34, 27 September 2012

Talk:Maori phrasebook[edit]

Hi! What were you trying to do on Talk:Maori phrasebook page? I saw that the abuse filter stopped you. How can I help? Thanks, IBAlex 14:05, 1 November 2012 (EDT)

In written Māori, the long vowels are often denoted by macrons (bars over the letters) or whatever similar characters were available to the typesetter. Sometimes you will see words where a vowel letter is repeated. This may indicate that the vowel is pronounced "long", but modern usage is to use the macron when possible.
Thus Māori, Maaori and Maori would all represent the same word; although you will rarely see it spelled "Maaori".
Macrons have tended not to be written when a Māori word has been a commonly used word by people speaking English (including with the word Māori), and macrons have generally not appeared on direction signs or maps; however, as more people become aware of the correct pronunciation of various Māori words and place names, and of the instructive guidance that macrons provide by indicating how words should be pronounced, the use of macrons is increasing in New Zealand society, including in official documents. Road direction signs for Taupo (both the town and the lake) are now written as Taupō; whereas, prior to 2008, the macron, which should have been used, was missing.
In line with this modern tendency towards correct macron usage, I moved, over a re-direct, Maori phrasebook to Māori phrasebook but was stopped from automatically moving the re-directed article's associated discussion page. However, I have now copied that associated discussion page to the re-named article's associated discussion page so your help is no longer needed, Alexa.
Thank you for asking! --singaporeAlice 15:32, 1 November 2012 (EDT)
Thanks so much for explaining! Good to hear that you sorted it out on your own! For future references, the filter will stop you every time you will try to move more than one page per minute. I hope this explanation will help prevent blocking good edits in the future. Cheers! IBAlex 15:39, 1 November 2012 (EDT)
That seems a sensible measure to slow down the spammers. However, I would suggest that you also develop an associated white list of trusted users who are not stopped from automatically moving the associated discussion pages of articles (and that my name be added to it - big grin). --singaporeAlice 15:46, 1 November 2012 (EDT)
Unfortunately that functionality does not seem to exist on the filter. I have changed the filter so that it allows 2 moves per minute now.--IBobi talk email 15:58, 1 November 2012 (EDT)
What a pity. Now I know the ropes, I can live with 60 seconds delay and a manual move (rather than an automatic move) of associated discussion pages if the alternative is increased degradation of our guide by spammers. That's why I would respectfully suggest returning to the one edit per minute setting to continue to slow spammers and vandals. --singaporeAlice 16:03, 1 November 2012 (EDT)
We will definitely change it back; fortunately, our overall strategy of zero tolerance is really working. Sone spammers are clearly giving up; the rest are being blocked and reverted almost immediately in most cases. We're not perfect, but we're getting even better. I personally believe we are better and cleaner now that we have been in *years*. Which is awesome for people like you and others who can now work in a relatively spam and vandalism-free environment!--IBobi talk email 16:13, 1 November 2012 (EDT)
That's right! We are doing our best to fight vandalism and spam! And we also appreciate all the effort in administrating the site from WT contributors! Cheers, IBAlex 16:17, 1 November 2012 (EDT)

Section removal[edit]

Response at User talk:Pratyeka. Pratyeka 20:47, 2 November 2012 (EDT)

Thanks and sad to see you leave. Bon voyage! --singaporeAlice 17:32, 4 November 2012 (EST)

External links[edit]

Hi Alice, I see you changed Wikitravel:External links. As the EL page is one of the core policies of WT its probably better to try to build consensus before you change the policy single-handedly. So for now I reverted your edits. Regards. -- Eiland 16:19, 4 November 2012 (EST)

Thanks for letting me know, Eiland! However, we don't want to lose any more contributors and I think it better that people are aware of the current reality, so please reverse your reversion of my clarificatory text. --singaporeAlice 17:28, 4 November 2012 (EST)
Singapore. Alice- I had to revert the changes you made regarding the external links policies. I understand your good will in trying to clarify them however this kind of changes need to be previously discussed within the community. WT policies are major rules on how WT works and decisions about the changes should be reached by consensus and not by one person only. I hope you understand that and you will show more willingness to elaborate within community about changes you suggest should be made. I am looking forward to your suggestions! Thank you! IBAlex 14:43, 5 November 2012 (EST)

Move on.[edit]

This edit is not constructive. Please make an effort to move on from such inflammatory remarks. There is no need of it. Just move on.--IBobi talk email 16:44, 12 November 2012 (EST)

Phasith Guesthouse.[edit]


Thanks for your comment concerning the Phasith guesthouse in Luang Prabang that I made several months ago. I felt that what you wrote about my comments, good or bad, was fair, unbiased and impartial. I appreciate you taking the time to write that and initially come to my defence.

However, I'm not so sure about your second comment stating that they (Phasith) remembered me well and that I was 'rude and unreasonable.' This is a very odd thing to say as the information on my Wikitravel account (including my name) is an alias so how can they possibly have any idea who I am in real life?

In fact, because everywhere else in L-P was full and Phasith was the only conveniently located place I could find next to my friends guesthouse (Mojo's) I had to extend my initial stay by a few nights and they had no problem with that whatsoever. If I was so offensive why would they do that? So despite what I wrote about their guesthouse and the (lack of) service that they provided I rarely conversed with them, and when I did it was amiable and never did I make any 'demands', unreasonable or otherwise. I found them to be uninterested and not very informative so I went elsewhere for answers. Overall, the only problem I had was with their lack of professionalism and I wrote a review to reflect that.

I'd be very interested to hear what you have to say about this.


Ushi_tora —The preceding comment was added by Ushi tora (talkcontribs) at about 12:19, 2 February 2013 (EST)

This User:Singapore.Alice is currently blocked and, unfortunately, will be unable to respond to you via Wikitravel. She does participate on other wiki's and, should you wish to remonstrate with her, her e-mail address is visible on those other wikis. The latest block log entry is: 00:56, 1 December 2012 IBobi blocked Singapore.Alice with an expiry time of indefinite (account creation disabled) --118dot93dot73dot30 18:30, 2 February 2013 (EST)

WiFi or Wi-Fi?[edit]

Alice: When I first started doing WT I read the Style Manual, etc. I read somewhere that the correct usage was "Wi-Fi", so I dutifully used that construction. Then, an Admin (I think it was iBob?) came along and changed all to "WiFi". I remonstrated, and he explained something about "Wi-Fi" being a trademark. As I recall, he may have said that the Style Manual was being changed to reflect that. So, as a new guy, I have been following his guidance ever since. I hope this helps explain the seemingly arbitrary change I made. seligne 22:51, 16 November 2012 (EST)Seligne

IBobi is an IBAdmin and is not and has never been an Admin here - he seems to be temperamentally unsuited to collegiate behaviour. He was given the keys to the Janitor's locker by Internet brands and has sacked or driven away many of the Admins that were properly appointed. However, essentially the lunatics are now in charge of the asylum and it's always safer to follow a dictator's whims.
It wouldn't matter that much if IBobi wasn't too lazy/hypocritical to actually get around to changing the policy pages. All he has to do is be honest and write something like: it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks - the management of Internet Brands have put me in charge here and I have decided that we will henceforward abbreviate Wednesday to "yad"
In this particular case there is a valid argument (put forcefully here some while ago by Felix) that says we shouldn't use "Wi-Fi". However, from a legal standpoint, I assume Wikedtravel's servers and registered offices are in the US and that Internet Brands do not actively trade (or intend to trade) in WLAN equipment so there is no reason whatever not to use a WLAN "trademark" since there is zero danger of a successful action for either passing off or trademark infringement in respect of "Wi-Fi" being brought.
Until and unless IBobi changes the relevant policy pages I shall follow the advice given on our policy pages - to do anything else risks spreading the contagion. --singaporeAlice 23:25, 16 November 2012 (EST)

Hey, I know nothing of personalities here. And I don't much care what format we use as long as we are all consistent. If you feel strongly about this, I am happy to go with "Wi-Fi" as I originally did. Further, I think we should research existing conventional sources like Wikipedia, The Economist Style Guide, the NYT Style Guide, et al., to conform with most existing standards.seligne 02:49, 17 November 2012 (EST)Seligne

(Alice has replied on your own page, Seligne)

I went back and checked the record and I gave you false info. Felix505, no iBobi, was the fellow who instructed me to use "WiFi". My apologies for the confusion and I am sorry I did not realise this would become such a big deal. seligne 21:29, 19 November 2012 (EST)Seligne

Yes, Felix was the guy that was always very anal punctilious about trademarks and other IP. Please correct the record on your own User Talk page, Seligne ( I have already offered to strike my own inappropriate comments there as per the policy I propose at UUTP). --singaporeAlice 21:34, 19 November 2012 (EST)

Baht or ฿[edit]

I would prefer that we continue to use the form "xx baht" to using "xx ฿. In my 18 months in Thailand I have only seen ฿ used fewer than 5 times. But my larger question is this: The International Standards Organisation has already established standards for currency. Why don't we just use it: THBxxx, USDxxx, JPYxxx, etc., etc., instead of reinventing the wheel. Same applies for date formats and many other conventions. seligne 02:49, 17 November 2012 (EST)Seligne

(Alice has replied on your own page, Seligne)

Changing Policies[edit]

Hi Singapore.Alice! Please know that changes to policy pages are not supposed to be unilateral. This is something that needs to be discussed first within the community. I'm referring to this [5] change. I hope that you understand that.

Easter Island[edit]

I needed to revert your change and put Go out back, instead of Go next. This issue is now in our tech queue and should be resolved soon. Please, be patient. Thank you! IBAlex 13:52, 20 November 2012 (EST)

Udon Thani Page[edit]

Hi Alice,

The details below are those we would like to reinstate on the Udon Thani page.

We read the user guide that requests that In most cases listings should be ordered alphabetically within a section so were somewhat bemused that, when doing so, this was considered Qjumping. As long as the listings are in the relevant Sleep /Out of Town, section, we are quite happy with the listings appearing in any order.

We have followed the guidelines at for the formatting and texts.

We have read the THB/Baht/baht MOS opinion, and used the suggested baht

Before making another edit we'd like to be sure you and other users are happy with it and welcome your comments. The proposed additions for the Sleep/out of town section are as follows:

  • Gecko Villa, Um Chan, Prachak Sinlaphakhom (Complimentary airport transfers), +66 81 9180500, [1]. checkin: flexible; checkout: flexible. The 3 bedroom villa has a private swimming pool, offers full board holidays and sleeps up to 6 guests. Facilities include Satellite TV, DVD, air-conditioning,WiFi & complimentary laundry & maid services. 6,800 baht. (17.251349,103.038143) edit
  • Green Gecko, Um Chan, Prachak Sinlaphakhom (Complimentary airport transfers), +66 81 9180500, [2]. checkin: flexible; checkout: flexible. This rural Thai villa has a private swimming pool and is fully catered. It offers Satellite TV, DVD, air-conditioning,WiFi & complimentary laundry & maid services. 7,500 baht. (17.25033,103.03802) edit

Finally, the listings are for two separate properties, rather than duplicates.

I look forward to your comments.

Many thanks

Bongkot —The preceding comment was added by Bongkot (talkcontribs) at about 03:23, 30 November 2012 (EST)

Thanks for taking the time to write here; I would like you to take a day or two to read what I suggested and follow all the links in blue.
(It seems like only a couple of hours since I deleted your (duplicate) listings twice)
If you do, you will see that Wikitravel:Don't tout suggests (among other things)
Don't list the same place many times
Yes, a guest house may have a restaurant, a bar, an internet cafe and a dance show, but you need to pick one of "See", "Eat", "Drink", "Sleep" and "Contact" to slot it under. That said, exceptions can be made on a case-by-case basis if, for example, a hotel has a famous, separately named bar or restaurant that also draws significant numbers of non-resident customers (use the article's talk page to discuss these rare instances). Also note that businesses should be listed in only one article for the town or district in which the business operates; if an article about the town has not yet been created, create it.
I appreciate that you have two accommodation businesses (both villas and both with Gecko in the name) and the Thai tax people regard them as two - but we regard them as one so you can only have one listing!
Take a look at Abbrev. too.
It's good that you have read phones and great that you have now put prices in but I would now like you to take the rest of this conversation to Talk:Udon_Thani where User:Seligne may have the time to help. I am not 100% sure what the consensus is on that page about listing villas...
PS It's great that you have created an account, but please remember to sign - this page of mine may help in that regard: UUTP --singaporeAlice 04:14, 30 November 2012 (EST)