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previous threads are kept here:

Folks often do not say things they should, so I will: it is great to have you back and firing at Wikitravel. Onto business.... how are you fixed for finishing up the B&H map? I seem to remember you saying you had computer issues which were preventing the use of Inkscape? I bumped the discussion about your region scheme and Vidimian is in agreement with it. That's a good sign as he seems to have a good grasp of that tricky region.--Burmesedays 10:36, 24 April 2010 (EDT)

The very best of luck with that Stefan. I will try to get around to the B&H map soon. --Burmesedays 12:04, 1 May 2010 (EDT)
Bosnia map done. Would be grateful if you gave it the once over as it uses your scheme.--Burmesedays 13:05, 3 May 2010 (EDT)


Hi, Why did you delete the new listings for MP3 tours of Australia? They weren't spam, were extremely relevant, and were no different to the other non-government external links right next to them (e.g. The Rocks Ghost Tours). Please at least have the courtesy to leave a comment in your edits or you simply entice people to undo your reversion.

If external links are such a no-no then Wikitravel should remove the Add Listing button or at least the URL field therein. You're sending mixed messages.

We had days worth of unpatrolled edits, so I was moving a bit fast, sorry about that. But I'm afraid this is a pretty clear cut issue since our external links policy clearly states: "Avoid linking to secondary sources - for example, avoid links to: ... Other travel guides, including audio guides, audio tours, virtual tours and webcams" --Stefan (sertmann) talk 02:17, 22 June 2010 (EDT)


Hi, I'm wondering why you deleted a listing from the Marrakech tours section May 26th, after having deleted a bunch of the listings last October? I tried to start a discussion on the issue last October (Talk:Marrakech), but I didn't really get a response as to why some were deleted but not others. I'm the one who originally added the Berber Travel Adventures listing and it very easily meets the criteria in Wikitravel:Activity_listings#Tour_listings. I've been on the tours personally, and there is no doubt it constitutes a value added activity. No traveler could do this on his/her own. Thanks. -- Spmenic 23:54, 22 June 2010 (EDT)

Spam user accounts[edit]

For spambot user accounts, please permanently block them rather than just applying a one-day block. -- Ryan • (talk) • 18:49, 17 July 2010 (EDT)

Category between Outline and Usable?[edit]

Hi Stefan, I've been contributing to Wikitravel for a while (and finally decided to get an account to track my changes). One thing that's been a little frustrating for me is I often go to areas that were just outline articles, and fill them in so that they're at least usable, for example Liwa Oasis and Puerto Suarez. I don't want to upgrade them to "Usable Articles" because in comparison to, say, Amsterdam or Aspen there's hardly any information, but for a traveller like me, there's absolutely enough to get there and get started.

I was wondering if you and some other senior editors might consider adding a new category between Outline and Usable, so that I can feel less guilty about upgrading my articles into the ranks of Amsterdam and such, but still feel good about having fleshed out the article. Something like "Basic Articles" would be nice...

This is an ego thing, I guess. Let me know what you think. Amornoguerra 00:06, 16 September 2010 (EDT)

Amsterdam appears to be guide-quality. If it's still at usable, it's probably because one or more districts are not yet up to usable, which is a requirement for guide status. Aspen is properly usable because its listings are very basic. I agree that the two articles you mentioned need more information to be considered "usable" -- specifically, some restaurant listings. However, while they're very good for outline articles, I'm not sure we need to subdivide the article statuses further. LtPowers 10:39, 16 September 2010 (EDT)

Broken svg[edit]

Hi Sermann. I wonder if you could check this file for me. I've been translating maps into Portuguese, and this one appears to be broken-- won't open in Inkscape after I download it. Also, I wonder why it has those thin white lines across it. Anyway, please let me know when you have time... Thanks! - Texugo 11:02, 20 September 2010 (EDT)

The file is unfixable i'm afraid, several people - including myself has tried to salvage it, but no luck. Shouldn't be hard making a new one though - with correct labeling - since there are several good svg sources available on wikipedia as far as I remember --Stefan (sertmann) talk 16:44, 20 September 2010 (EDT)
That is quite unfortunate. I guess your original svg file is long gone huh. Would you happen to have the svg from which you produced this map? Texugo 11:05, 21 September 2010 (EDT)
I was able to get it to render properly by converting from ANSI to UTF-8. I've re-uploaded to shared in the hopes that this fixes the issues, but if this doesn't work please delete the latest revision. -- Ryan • (talk) • 11:25, 21 September 2010 (EDT)


Why did you remove Pirates Cove from the sleep section. Check out their web page before you assume they're a tour operator. It is a hotel first. Please put back. Thanks Captjack 10:02, 22 September 2010 (EDT)

Hi Captjack! First, please place new entries on talk pages always at the bottom and not in the middle of the page because that makes conversation much easier. Second, we are based on consensus and i would have reverted that listing too. The main reasons are that it is misleading and quite touty written in a marketing language which is frowned up here. Also Wikitravel is continiously changing so you have no right that listings will stay permanently. If you want this listing then rewrite it in accordance with our policies. jan 10:28, 22 September 2010 (EDT)
Ok, thanks Jan. I'll rewrite it.Captjack 11:11, 22 September 2010 (EDT)
Indeed the influx of business hype is reaching a level where its impossible to keep up, the last patrols rounds I've done 90% of edits have been promotional hypebole like this - excuse me for not being more corteous, but we seem to have drowned in our on success and wikitravel is being slowly put to its death, unless we get more patrollers, since all our guides have started overflowing with this stuff, pretty soon it will start turning people off one of the internets greatest websites.... sigh! --Stefan (sertmann) talk 18:33, 22 September 2010 (EDT)

Missing svg[edit]

Hi again. Do you have the svg file for this beautiful map? I couldn't find one on Shared: and I'd love to translate it into Portuguese. Thanks. Texugo 11:36, 23 September 2010 (EDT)

DotM Khartoum[edit]

Hi Stefan, last year you nomiated Khartoum as Dotm which is interesting because Africa is quite often neglected. Do you intend to finalise the article or shall we slush pile it for Dotm? Best regards, jan 03:06, 11 October 2010 (EDT)

Star nomination for Diving the Cape Peninsula and False Bay[edit]

Hi Stefan. I dont see your signature around as much these days as before, so assume you are taking a break. Maybe travelling? Anyway, I have finally got Diving the Cape Peninsula and False Bay to a stage where there are enough good sub-articles (dive sites) that I think it can be nominated for star, and since you suggested the nomination way back when I started, I take the liberty to personally advise you that it is now in the pipeline, waiting for reviews and comments. :-) Cheers, Peter (Southwood) Talk 03:05, 15 October 2010 (EDT)

Breadcrumb regeneration[edit]

Regarding this edit, you can also purge the topic to rebuild breadcrumbs - just click on the history tab and then change the "action" parameter in the URL to "purge". Example: Note that after purging you might need to click on the "Article" tab to see the article with the newly-generated breadcrumbs. -- Ryan • (talk) • 19:50, 17 February 2011 (EST)

Thanks for the heads up, know how to purge, but didn't know it worked with breadcrumbs issues --Stefan (sertmann) talk 20:10, 17 February 2011 (EST)

Pitcairn talk page[edit]

Please do not revert my Pitcairn Talk page edits (deletions) - I have a non-molestation court order for this - (# 11-1) and after investigating the Wikitravel website for two hours I can not find anywhere to deliver it - so I did the edits myself. Please give me an email address to serve this court order.

There is no email address to deliver a court order to, so there. If you insist is the place to take any legal complaints, as they are the only legal entity involved with wikitravel. Until then the correct approach is to counter the argument of the opposing side; one of the guiding principles of a wiki is that all discussions are kept and archived, same as on wikipedia, and honestly i'm a bit provoked by anyone trying to side step this by way of legal threats. --Stefan (sertmann) talk 05:04, 9 March 2011 (EST)

time formats revisited[edit]

Given your interest in the time formats discussion and/or the star nomination that was almost sidelined over this matter, I thought I should let you know I've reopened the discussion. Hopefully (unlikely perhaps, but hopefully) we can reach a more definitive conclusion on this matter. PerryPlanet Talk 00:45, 23 June 2011 (EDT)

Breadcrumb fixup list refreshed![edit]

Hi Sertmann! Thanks for your hard work fixing breadcrumb. I have re-run the algorithm on a fresh wikitravel dump so your help would be greatly appreciated :-) Thanks a lot! Nicolas1981 21:55, 6 November 2011 (EST)

Discouraging WTers[edit]

It should go without saying that attempting to discourage WTers from contributing constructively to this site will not be tolerated. That's the reason for your block, which I have made temporary in case you decide to make constructive contributions yourself. We have a great group of people who continue to contribute here. If you'd like to continue, or return at any time, you are more than welcome. But, to be a bit more blunt (and I apologize) if you are just leaving, just leave. We'd be sorry to see you go, but there's no reason to hang around a site you no longer wish to contribute to.--IBobi talk email 15:17, 2 September 2012 (EDT)

I haven't broken a single guideline, policy or term of service that is publicly available. This was one long time user talking to another long time user on a private talk page, how that qualifies as evident, is beyond me. You bought the name and servers, not the people, remember? But please correct me if Pashley is on the IB payroll.
As far as I am concerned, until an eventual continuation of wikitravel come live, this is still the centre of the community, of which I am indeed a constructive member. And I have suspicion that until everyone on has had the choice to form an informed opinion on how to proceed from this mess, you are going to keep hearing noise. - Stefan
Stefan, I understand and empathize with your point of view. But you are also correct about this community: this is the Wikitravel community, not the WM or WV community, and it's not going to be appropriated for those purposes. It's absolutely fine for people to be members of more than one community. But they must be kept separate and discussions appropriate to one community are not germane or appropriate to another. That's all this is really about. I have the utmost respect for you and your position at WT. I'd love for you to contribute here again. Meanwhile, encouraging, however subtly, WTers to leave here is not going to stand. I hope you can understand my point of view on this, and if you decide not to abide by it, you can refrain from participating on Wikiavel. Thanks for your reasonable tone and words, they are appreciated.--IBobi talk email 17:27, 2 September 2012 (EDT)
This is another implication of non-existent rules. The appropriateness of policies and discussions is decided by the community, not by an insolent and self-appointed censor/administrator. 17:34, 2 September 2012 (EDT)
The irony of course being that the actions of IBobi are causing more users to leave WT than Stefan ever did, with his years of patrolling and contributions to the site. --Inas 19:34, 2 September 2012 (EDT)

Leonardo hotels[edit]


You added Leonardo dot com in the blacklist [[1]] "at least until we got some dialogue with user". May I ask about conversation now?

Thank you in advance.

--Silver123 08:04, 13 September 2012 (EDT)