User talk:Rspga49

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Hello Rspga! Welcome to Wikitravel. Thanks for plunging forward so far. If you're going to continue working on Wikitravel, you may find the tips for new contributors helpful.

I've noticed that you added Atlanta to the main page, but I don't think it's quite ready. For instance the Sleep section is empty. We try to make sure that new pages getting links from the front page are as complete as possible. Also they go on at the top of the section, and bump the oldest so that there are only five per continent. You can read more in the Wikitravel:Main Page guidelines.

Meanwhile the Main Page is watched pretty closely, so even though I'm leaving your change, somebody will probably remove it pretty soon. If you would like to have Atlanta listed there the thing to do would be to make sure that it's complete, and then maybe mention it on Talk:Main Page... (we try to add somebody elses work to the Main Page usually, not our own.

Anyhow, I hope this doesn't scare you off, because we're really glad you want to contribute!

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You're really cranking! I wanted to let you know that your work is really appreciated.

I also wanted to make sure you'd seen the Welcome, Wikipedians page, as well as our disambiguation pages guide and the general article naming conventions.

Thanks, --Evan 13:15, 27 Sep 2004 (EDT)

I'm impressed[edit]

Man, you catch on quick.. I'm with Evan in hoping you continue. -- Mark 16:53, 27 Sep 2004 (EDT)

WikiTravel vs WikiPedia[edit]

Please read (and try to understand) the (rather different) Disambiguation page naming conventions. WikiTravel has a different naming convention from WikiPedia because we have a separate page for each place. We use the simplest name possible for the disambiguation page and the use (disambiguators) for all the disambiguated pages. This ensures that when someone links to the simplest name they get the disamiguation page. It saves having a lot of redirects too.... Sorry about the different "rules" (conventions) but it is a different wiki. - Huttite 08:11, 28 Sep 2004 (EDT)

I agree. We've arrived at the disambiuation standard here after rather a lot of difficult back and forth. We like it. Please check it out. If you really want to disambig Bethelehem the way to do it would be to make that page a disambiguation page pointing to Bethlehem (Pennsylvania) and Bethlehem (Palestinian occupied territories). -- Mark 15:15, 3 Oct 2004 (EDT)

Help wanted[edit]

Hi! Check out Wikitravel:Help wanted for places to put requests for help. -- Colin 18:32, 1 Oct 2004 (EDT)

Bethlehem - Israel or Palestine?[edit]

I guess this had to happen sometime re Israel / Palestine, so here goes...... Just wondering what your rationale for moving Bethlehem to Bethlehem (Israel) was precisely.....? The Israelis don't claim Bethlehem as a city, it's within Area A of the Palestinian Authority and will definitely be one of the major urban centres of any projected Palestinian state. I think these points make a fairly good case for simply moving it to a page of its own, i.e. Bethlehem, one that doesn't have any political overtones (neither Israel nor Palestine have to be mentioned and the article can be linked to from either country article)..... But over to you: Please explain. Pjamescowie 15:54, 17 Oct 2004 (EDT)

Yeah, you know, contrary to what I said above, we have this in the Wikitravel:Article naming conventions
"As an exception, if one place is so famous that the disambiguation is a hindrance rather than a help, it remains without a disambiguating parenthesized suffix. Examples: Paris is the capital of France, Paris (Texas) is a nice little prairie town in the US. Los Angeles refers to the large metropolitan area in southern California, and Los Angeles (Chile) refers to the mid-sized town south of Santiago. Peru is the country in South America; Peru (Indiana) is a town in the American Midwest."
We could add Bethlehem and London here as examples you know, they are just about this famous. There's a reason for this rule: We want the guide to be useful for travellers, including when they use the search box, so if somebody types "London" in the box the idea is to send them to the one they probably want London (which gets millions of visitors per day, I don't think any of the other Londons can quite keep up with that). So just to let you know why somebody is likely to move London and Bethlehem back to where they were. -- Mark 01:18, 18 Oct 2004 (EDT)

Mark's quite right. Both London and Bethlehem are sufficiently famous to warrant their "own name" headings, standing by themselves - we can disambiguate the other namesakes in other ways..... Besides, placing Bethlehem in Israel (moving it out of a Palestinian context) is just plain wrong - it's a fully Arab town, part of Area A of the Authority, projected as an integral part of any future state. Historically, it was supposed to be an internationalised city alongside Jerusalem after 1948, but we all know what happened to that idea.....! I'll move it to a page without reference to politics as testament to that lost opportunity. Pjamescowie 01:45, 18 Oct 2004 (EDT)


What is up with Surrey (disambiguation)? There is no need for this page yet, surely. Disambiguation pages should not be like [[Place(disambiguator)]] but like [[Place]] because that is what everybody is going to write and wikifi first. You can always write a link [[Place(disambiguator)|Place]] and your problem is solved. Move Surrey to Surrey (England) only when another Surrey is created. Read Wikitravel:Disambiguation pages and disambiguation rule 4. Is Surrey really that famous? Proposal for deletion may follow without adequate explanation. -- Huttite 09:16, 9 Jan 2005 (EST)

External links[edit]

Incase you haven't caught up with a recent policy change, the Wikitravel:Article templates no longer have an Wikitravel:External links section. These are being removed and relevant links incorporated into the articles. -- Huttite 06:59, 15 Jan 2006 (EST)

Washington's Birthplace[edit]

Hi - is Washington's Birthplace really a town, region, or park area? According to Wikitravel:What is an article I think the information should probably be included in either the nearest town's article, or in the article for the parent region. In addition, please see the Wikitravel:Region article template and the Wikitravel:Small city article template for stub templates that should be used when creating new city and region articles. Thanks for the contributions! -- Ryan 15:11, 23 March 2006 (EST)