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Hey whats the deal?[edit]

Why did you modify my additions to the Baotou page? Have you ever been there? I live there and 3 of my children were born there! I suggest you back off mister!

Your modification to the Florence page[edit]

I'm sorry to say you were wrong and erased the link citing a policy rule that does not apply here. The site is not related to any agency whatsoever, but it is owned (and operated) by the owner of the apartement. -- comment by User:Marco0560 18:50, 2007-10-29 (EDT)


So what will you be for Halloween this year? -- Cat-in-the-Hat(Talk) • 18:57, 29 September 2007 (EDT)

I liked it like that--
being a cat,
with a big fricken hat;
not with a mat as a bat or a rat.
Perhaps as a whim
I'd make a visit to Tim,
Or travel to Tyre
With a dude named Sapphire.
I'll eat green eggs and ham,
then delete all the spam...
Or learn how to handle
a most scurilous vandal;
And later I'll walk down the aisle
to marry the Manual of Style!
Oh the places we'll go; the people we'll see.

With apologies to the great Dr. Seuss (Theodor Seuss Geisel) of Springfield (Massachusetts). --OldPine 21:16, 3 October 2007 (EDT)

That's some pretty fancy verse. Clever too. Yeah, I don't know what caused me to think about it, although, I was discussing a past Halloween memory with someone recently. That might be what caused me to remember it. The memory I was discussing was about dressing up as some gruesome looking dead person, which, I did an excellent job doing, especially with the blending of makeups. Anyhow, I decided to go home after a short while and stood next to my mother for the rest of the night as she passed out candy. One little girl, who couldn't have been more than ten or so came up to my mom and did the whole "trick or treat" thing. Then, she glanced over at me and asked my mom "is that real?" My mother replied no as I stood very,very still. The girl yelled at her father to come down and look at this thing my mother 'made'. He didn't come and she got up very close to my face, inspecting me. She turned around and said something to her father and turned back around to me ready to 'attack' her. I will never forget how she booked it out of there, dropping candy everywhere and screaming. It was the funniest reaction I have ever witnessed. Her father thought it was funny too because as soon as she saw her screaming he doubled over laughing so hard he could barely stand.
We gave her a few extra pieces of candy to make up for the terror and nightmares she is probably still having. ;)
No, they don't celebrate it in Poland they have something similar to the Hispanic "All Saints' Day", but no where near as elaborate as that or Halloween. -- Sapphire(Talk) • 08:56, 30 September 2007 (EDT)

Dark Side[edit]

You are now an administrator with not so shiny buttons. Ha ha. False advertising. Originally, I thought today was the third, which means I was late to 'flipping the bit', but I just remembered today is the first, so I'm not late - I'm just a couple of hours early. Oh well. Have fun with the buttons, but not too much fun. -- Sapphire(Talk) • 03:20, 1 October 2007 (EDT)

Oooooh, spooky.
But, dude, don't I like have to take an oath? Ain't there no band playing? Soldiers saluting? Free donuts and coffee? No Peggy Lee lyrics? -- OldPine 06:53, 1 October 2007 (EDT)
How are the buttons? Understand everything, or need any guidance? -- Sapphire(Talk) • 12:41, 2 October 2007 (EDT)
P.S. If you ever make it to Cincinnati or Warsaw, I'll buy you coffee or vodka, depending on the locale. -- Sapphire(Talk) • 12:42, 2 October 2007 (EDT)
Heh, much more likely you'll come here and have lobster (do that). (btw, sorry about crushing your Bengals last night... I told them to go easy.) OldPine 12:53, 2 October 2007 (EDT)
Um... guidance would be good. Really should have an admin manual. I think I get it. Almost used the block log today, but JP had already used it. Do we have twerp Tuesday every week? It's not even full moon. Not sure on specific questions I have... I guess the main ones are when to blacklist, when to block. OldPine 12:53, 2 October 2007 (EDT)
Yeah, I heard about the Bungles on CNN. Makes me cry. We're 1-3 this season! WTF!? Ok, calm down. At least I didn't catch any of the game so I'm not as upset as I could be (like last week). Luckily, I was really impressed with Boston last August, so I don't want to see it destroyed like I do with Pittsburgh.
In truth, I don't like blocks, despite my sometimes hardline rhetoric.
I block only when it seems like there is an undue amount of spam and I try to measure the likeliness of it to continue in the coming minutes and hours, the time, and whether or not I can dedicate any extra time to fighting it.
If there is so much spam I can't keep up, I blacklist the biggest culprits (urls), might block a few IPs for a couple hours or a day so I can look at their "contributions" and blacklist any other relevant urls. When I do block it's because of the time (say, 3AM EST/EDT) and I'm not sure whether or not any other admins will likely be around soon enough to help ward off the attacks and I cannot dedicate any more time to fighting spammers, but that's the exception, not the rule. -- Sapphire(Talk) • 16:50, 2 October 2007 (EDT)


Well, in general I view Travel Agents under the Avoid linking to secondary sources rule in Wikitravel:External links. Since they are selling hotels rooms, flights, tours, etc. without owning hotels, airplanes, or tourbuses, they aren't the primary sources. Anyone who calls themselves a travel agent is probably going to be blanket reverted by me. But at least one of the reverts should have had an explanation -- my bad.

A tour operator could pass the primary source test.. but only if they actually give the tour themselves. Peru articles get more toutvertising in them so I've tried to keep down anything that is not clearly a primary.

And speaking of annoying primary sources.... the Epoque hotel guys are annoying as hell, but if they really are the hotel owners, then they are primary and it's okay for them to add listings -- at least to the city the hotel resides in. Detouting isn't fun though. -- Colin 18:18, 1 October 2007 (EDT)

You could try bringing up the Epoque issue at Wikitravel talk:Local spam blacklist. Also, see my comment at the pub. -- Colin 12:49, 2 October 2007 (EDT)

Decatur (Georgia)[edit]

  • Thanks for the suggestion on furniture stores. That is one of several items that may require some editing/discussion. Two points: 1) Antique stores are a retail destination for vistors/tourists in the south and midwest (ie, Brown County, Indiana); and 2) Atlanta is a destination for shopping in the southeast (Phipps Plaza, Lenox Square, Merchandise Mart, etc.). Decatur's "new" furniture stores are somewhat unique. Contemporary loft furnishings (and Asian to a lesser extent) are less likely to be available in smaller metro areas - at least in the South. If you these are marginal entries, let me know and we can edit them. A few of these entries are arguably more beneficial to "new residents" rather than "tourists". Thanks. --Baxterguy 13:19, 3 October 2007 (EDT)

Vandalism policy?[edit]

I don't know about you folks (I'm sending the same message to several), but I for one am getting sick and tired of the intentional vandalism that's going on here. I am trying to start a discussion on Wikitravel talk:Community policies as to whether something more forceful needs to be in place to deal with it. Historically, we have bent far over backwards to avoid punitive action against vandals and have simply gone in and cleaned up the messes they create. However, the frequency of vandalism is growing, and I am not convinced that we are doing Wikitravel a service by tolerating it. This said, I'm not at all sure what the "right" response is.

I'd appreciate your participation in the discussion on that talk page. Let's see if we can come up with something appropriate. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 11:39, 19 October 2007 (EDT)

Belgrade article contribs[edit]

Thanks for the note. :) I'm a foreigner living here for a little under a year, so I thought I'd add things that might help the adventurous among us who come out here!


Thanks for your help on Decatur (Georgia). I have a formatting question. Why aren't the "double columns" of text equal widths? Is there are way to get them to always be equal? --Baxterguy 15:35, 15 October 2007 (EDT)

Hi Oldpine, sorry my additions didn't meet the "accommodation listings guidelines" i will add appropriately - however, why were the other listings allowed to stay on there ?thanks -- added 2007-11-21 by Anon User:

If they are inappropriate, please remove them and state why in the "Summary" box for the edit. Apparently I was only checking the edits you made and didn't notice them. -- OldPine 19:50, 21 November 2007 (EST)

Thanks for your response, i will do in the future.


I couldn't find your e-mail address after looking in the "toolbox" but I have to say that I am impressed. Yesterday I started the Montville, NJ page (I am a resident) and I was shocked that it was already changed a bit. Especially by someone not even from these parts. (Comments by User: 12 November 2007)

The email address doesn't show, but you can click on "E-mail this user". I've made edits on articles all over the world, often just improving style or adding phone/address/URL, but we rely on the locals or those with direct experience for the "low-down". Please consider starting an account as it makes communicating easier. -- OldPine 06:56, 12 November 2007 (EST)


Just a comment. Although I do not follow NASCAR, due to my interest in NHRA when I was young and CART when I was looking for something to do with my sons, I developed an appreciation for what racing can do for a local economy. Rooms fill up, restaraunts do a booming business and lots of gasoline is purchased by thousands of visitors, just for starters. NASCAR has an interesting history, starting with moonshine runners. The availability of large tracts of land to buy cheaply for race tracks in the south and mid-west have made for spectacular tracks for these events. When I contibute to WT, I try to add things in a way that creates an interest in things I have done, that may appeal to a vistor who has never been to the subject destination. So, what's my point? I think WT needs to give as much attention to racing in the US as, say baseball. If you look at a baseball game and then compare the crowd at a NASCAR event, you will find a much bigger crowd at the NASCAR event usually, baseball is now a TV sport for spectators. Americans seem to be interested in all sorts of racing, from cars, to boats, horses, dogs, motorcyles, even lawn mowers. In my limited travel outside of the US, I notice few, but some race tracks. Here again, my point is, if we are trying to give a visitor to the US a taste of new things to do, racing should be include. However, maybe not in specific articles like a NASCAR itinerary, but a more general article. Any comments? 2old 12:16, 24 November 2007 (EST)

Re:Page Protection time format[edit]

Not sure I understand your question. You can just say "1 day," "20 minutes," etc., and the software will take it from there. What problem were you having? -- Bill-on-the-Hill 22:00, 25 November 2007 (EST)

thanks for nuremberg[edit]

from IP [email protected]

Anytime. --OldPine 19:21, 19 December 2007 (EST)

Re: Devils Dyke=[edit]

I'll probably sort it out soon, just debating as to wether it needs its own article, since its not really a park, more a landscape feature ( wikipedia page: shall I just pop it into the South Downs or Brighton where most of the visitors are likley to stream from.


Prof Jack 11:34, 7 January 2008 (EST)

sorry for the spamming[edit]

Sorry for spamming those links. I was trying to get OpenID running on my site and Wikitravel seemed like a great place to test it. I've tried to delete the links from the other accounts I created, but that seems to be impossible. Cheers, —Ruud 13:28, 9 January 2008 (EST)

not a troll oldpine[edit]

you remember me like a year ago or two i'am back and ready to roll good to see ya oldpine -- 19:50, 8 February 2008 (EST)

you got something to pick with me pine? --Lone.guner 21:30, 8 February 2008 (EST)

Troll? all of a sudden[edit]

fucker excusing me of trolling and you know what oldpine i think you suck as a free helper on here you have blocked all my shit from like 3 years ago. --Thehighlands 16:58, 12 February 2008 (EST) i do not like you my opinion --Thehighlands 16:58, 12 February 2008 (EST)

Connecticut Outdoor Adventure[edit]

Considering that I added all of the content (written in the Outdoor Adventure section of Connecticut on WikiTravel) using Connecticut Explorer's Guide ( as an external link to referance the material, I think the link should stay.

If referencing content has somehow become out of fashion, please let me know. There appears to be no references at all for the content on the Connecticut page.

Either repost the referencing external link or remove the content that I had created. Either way I will be ok with it, just do not keep the content up without properly referencing the original source.

By the way, good luck finding another source for this information. Connecticut Explorer's Guide is the ONLY source. Feb 16, 2008 - Czimborbryan (User:

We do not require references for contributions here at Wikitravel. If you basically copied the material from it would likely be a copyright violation and should be removed. I wasn't able to see a word-for-word copy-in for the Connecticut material and I really don't see anything that's too far beyond common knowledge there.
At any rate, merely using someone's material can not be justification for keeping a link that violates policy... else it would be done all the time. OldPine 19:43, 16 February 2008 (EST)

Even though you do not require references, if the content was derived from a source it needs to be referenced as protected under copyright law. The content was not "copied" from Connecticut Explorer's Guide, but it was derived from researching through the website's content.

Like I said, the content that I added to the page either needs to be referenced or deleted. I will delete it at this point, but if the content deletion is undone without proper references, there will be legal action. Feb 17, 2008 Czimborbryan

Dunno who to tell this to[edit]

My real IP is, when I log out and click on my contributions, those I have made at the real IP are gone and it shows my IP as and it is still making all kinds of contributions that I know nothing of. 13:22, 21 February 2008 (EST) WOW. It shows this IP when I do not log in Mike Sharp

Ah, yep. It seems to have everyone tagged with the same IP. -- OldPine 13:26, 21 February 2008 (EST)

Thanks for dealing with this OldPine. The blocks were apparently blamed on me, and I had 19 emails in my inbox today about it. -- Colin 17:38, 21 February 2008 (EST)

City trimming[edit]

In response, I have only removed cities for which there is still no article. Why is the area any exception to our 9 cities rule? Also, doesn't this area need to be de-countyfied? Texugo 22:47, 24 February 2008 (EST)

Ah yes, the old philosophical argument as to whether each place deserves its own article. Well, it's my understanding that Evan thought that each town should be assigned to a region (see talk for Massachusetts I think). Not so critical in Pioneer Valley as the counties define the region, but in other eastern areas the lines can be more subjective. Not sure what you mean by de-countyfying. I see other areas using counties. You think the region is not rich enough to support these sub regions? No exception to the 9 cities rule I guess (though I personally think it's bullshit). If that's the case though, don't we need sub-regions such as counties? --OldPine 22:56, 24 February 2008 (EST)
I understood it this way: Not that every little town can't have its own article. I think they should, but not every little place needs to be listed on a sub-region page when the get out section of the closest decent size place would be enough. As for subdivision, I was under the impression from discussions like this that we want to use counties only when necessary. In this case, don't the three eloquently described subregions of the Connecticut River Valley, the Hilltowns, and the Eastern Uplands make more sense as a way to subdivide this region? Texugo 23:08, 24 February 2008 (EST)
I don't know that they're comprehensive or easily defined. They were added after the county sub-regions. I can understand the reluctance to use counties, and really just like them because they avoid wasting time on discussions about where lines are drawn. I'll support whatever you want to do there, I'm going to bed. Hey, you might want to look at Massachusetts talk, too. I guy had an idea there for trimming the state regions (there are more than 9). Just don't expect me to explain any of what you do. ;) --OldPine 23:19, 24 February 2008 (EST)

Thanks for fighting vandals (Lame and[edit]

OldPine and Sapphire, I just came across the vandalism by Lame and on March 4. Thank you for your diligent work to clean it up, and so quickly. You had it all done before I even noticed the problem. I hope those vandals are feeling unfulfilled. JimDeLaHunt 17:43, 5 March 2008 (EST)