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Take a look at Wikitravel:Administrator nominations, I hope you take this on! You have been welcomed addition to Wikitravel. -- Tom Holland (xltel) 08:04, 16 September 2006 (EDT)

Utterly correct[edit]

You we're completely right when you said it was all down hill from the 21st. I thought it was supposed to be a joke, but around 02:00 I thought "Shi*! He was right!" I think they gave me Tequila. Did you accept the admin nomination? -- Sapphire 10:14, 17 September 2006 (EDT)

Ha! You ain't seen nothing yet! Seriously, you're good to go until age 50, then the old bod starts falling apart. I'm sure you'll make the most of it, Andrew :)
Nah, didn't accept. I waffled a little after the plea for me to reconsider. I'm the type that's always on the fence about everything, including this nomination. My passion for WT is fading, as it has for so many things before it. It's not what my heart really wants to do all day. My problem has always been that I don't know what that thing is. Perhaps I'm just meant to be a generalist. At any rate, I wouldn't want to do the admin job half-way, and I don't really want to do some of the things that I see to be part of it. OldPine 10:30, 17 September 2006 (EDT)

Cape Cod National Seashore[edit]

You're probably tired of the continual kudos, but I can't help myself - nice job on yet another article. Going from no article at all to a really informative guide in two days has become your trademark! -- Ryan 19:50, 20 September 2006 (EDT)

Thanks! I never get tired of the kudos! The NPS guys make it pretty easy, but I think we end up with a much better format for the traveller. What kills me is that I'm almost getting too old to use some of the trails I'm writing about. OldPine 19:56, 20 September 2006 (EDT)
Would you like one more kudo? I think it's a great article too. Nice job, once again. --Evan 21:25, 20 September 2006 (EDT)
And another. Incidentally, Sagamore Bridge just won't be the same without that ^%*&# rotary. :-) -- Bill-on-the-Hill 20:02, 21 September 2006 (EDT)
Heh, it's true. There's something sad about its passing, but the improvements are obvious. For once the engineers haven't screwed up. I hope. OldPine 20:23, 21 September 2006 (EDT)
What did they do? Is it four lane, non-stop or is there a light there now? Must say, the rotary was famious.... even to this hillbilly from the midwest. ditto on all the good work on Seashore and everything else. -- Tom Holland (xltel) 08:51, 24 September 2006 (EDT)
Took my first trip over last night. Even the locals are finding it a little confusing as it is quite different (and not yet finished) and I'm not sure the signage is all that good. Route 3 is now a straight shot over the bridge (no light, just a merge) (as soon as they build the road through the rotary). I think the only on-ramp will be the road coming from alongside the Canal. They built an underpass for people to get from one side of Rt. 3 to the other. We'll adjust :) OldPine 09:01, 24 September 2006 (EDT)

Hot springs and Spas[edit]

You asked Johny and not me, but since I've been doing most of the Hot springs article: The so-called "geyser" at Calistoga isn't a natural feature but rather a drilled well that erupts (T. S. Bryan, "The Geysers of Yellowstone," the standard reference on not just Yellowstone's geysers but the world's), and does not necessarily imply the presence of hot springs. However, according to Wikipedia, there really are hot springs there too. Of course you can't always trust Wikipedia about such things, but the preponderance of evidence suggests that this one is correct. Lots of hot springs in California need to be added to the article; please feel free. As for Saratoga, this article asserts that New York has no natural hot springs, so that what's there should be called a spa. This is consistent with the geological setting. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 09:55, 22 September 2006 (EDT)

Fredericksburg (Texas)[edit]

Thanks for the manual of style edits. I keep messing that up, and would have kept on my bent if I hadn't seen your edits. Jordanmills 21:37, 24 September 2006 (EDT)

You're welcome. That's exactly how I learned, too. OldPine 23:05, 24 September 2006 (EDT)


Whenever I go to Hermit Island, I always think of it being in Bath (Maine). Phippsburg is so tiny I never really considered it. The address I gave was from the Hermit Island website. Cheers! {still}Totally Lost 00:31, 5 October 2006 (EDT)


I noticed you took the Malito: off an email link. Why is that? I always add that so the the link is active on the web and opens your mail client. Is there a policy on that I am missing? Thanks, -- Tom Holland (xltel) 16:16, 16 October 2006 (EDT)

I thought it wasn't MoS. Will have to check. OldPine 16:22, 16 October 2006 (EDT)
Bah, I guess it's not covered one way or the other. What you do makes good sense. OldPine 16:25, 16 October 2006 (EDT)
For what it's worth, see Wikitravel:Feature requests#Mailto: formatting. I format them as [mailto:[email protected] [email protected]] which formats like this: [email protected] which looks nice online but does bad things in the printable version. -- Colin 16:50, 16 October 2006 (EDT)
Either way is okay with me, I like the way I do it a little better as it is less typing *grin*. I guess we need to come up with a policy so we all do it the same. -- Tom Holland (xltel) 01:53, 17 October 2006 (EDT)


Want to help? I added some pizza shops. Could you add anything? Thank You 19:01, 17 October 2006 (EDT)


Wow - I think you know more about Nebraska than I do! --Mclark82902 14:06, 25 October 2006 (EDT)


- a small point, but I was just wondering whether the Sundarbans are actually a national park in Bangladesh (I noticed you changed the title on the UNESCO page). I could only find this designation for the Indian part of the area. WindHorse 23:34, 28 October 2006 (EDT)

I don't really know. I saw you make the redirection from Sundarbans to Sundarbans National Park and changed it based on that. OldPine 07:22, 29 October 2006 (EST)
Yeah, thanks for making all those changes. The Sundarbans are a huge mangrove forest that cover both the Indian and Bangladeshi sides of Ganges Delta, and I have a feeling that only the Indian side have declared it a national park. Anyway, it's only a minor point, and I don't have exact details, so let's just leave it. No doubt someone in the know will make the necessary changes if needed. WindHorse 09:44, 29 October 2006 (EST)


Hi David, Just wanted to tell you thanks for all the work you do! I am just amazed at how much useful content you have added all over Wikitravel. This is one hillbilly that appreciates all that you do and I just wanted to add my appreciation. You are amazing! Thank you! -- Tom Holland (xltel) 09:15, 29 October 2006 (EST)

Thanks, Tom. I always enjoy the praise. I want you to know the respect is mutual. I appreciate all you do as well -- even when it's correcting the little blunders I sometimes make. You do all hillbillies proud! OldPine 09:38, 29 October 2006 (EST)


I was curious about this edit - I wouldn't have thought it should have been converted to a listing (as there's only one airport, plus it's got more than one paragraph of info), and if it wasn't converted to a listing, de-frontlinking wouldn't be necessary? ~ 14:26, 2 November 2006 (EST)

OK, I probably get over-excited by frontlinking, it's true; but I do often let the ===Get in=== use it. Still, see: Wikitravel:external links#Usage and formatting of external links . The reasoning is that when the page is printed out, having the link up front looks lousy. Besides, these transport links should really be giving phone number, if not addresses (especially with bus and train stations). It's not like there's some wonderful prose to be had there (IMHO). The fact that there's only one airport is beside the point. The info should be there, not a link that pulls the traveler away from Wikitravel to get it. OldPine 14:48, 2 November 2006 (EST)
Still, see: Wikitravel:external links#Usage and formatting of external links
However, see also: Wikitravel:External links#Links within the article text
The reasoning is that when the page is printed out, having the link up front looks lousy - but that doesn't apply in this case, because there's nothing between the name and the link?
The fact that there's only one airport is beside the point - it's not beside my point, which is that because there's only one possible "item", converting the first paragraph to list format makes no sense - in other words, having a list that can only ever have one listing in it is pointless, and doubly so when that item spans more than one paragraph. ~ 15:45, 2 November 2006 (EST)
In regards to it looking lousy, I believe it still looks like:" [ Link Text]" when printed out, which is what looks lousy if you are trying to read it. If I am incorrect, then... you win!! Y'know what? You win anyways. I beg your forgiveness and resolve to do bettah. OldPine 16:27, 2 November 2006 (EST)
I've "de-listed" that section [1]. As for the link format, should front-linking be done away with altogether? ~ 16:53, 2 November 2006 (EST)
That's my opinion I suppose. I think it's wonderful at Wikipedia. We are trying to be less a web directory and much much more printable. I think the familiarity the folks have with Wikipedia leads them to come here and link to anything the rewembles a travel noun and to front-link excessively. I think front-linking "implicitly" says, "Here's the link. Look up the address or phone if you need it." It's a second reason (besides readability) to not allow frontlinked listings. Another of my pet peeves is linking in the text to Wikipedia definitions. Hey... if they don't know what it is, they can durn well open another window and look it up. Probably I'd feel better about it all if the external links opened in a new window. Hmmm... OldPine 18:07, 2 November 2006 (EST)

I was just clearing out some ancient notes and came across the only wikitravel page I've ever printed, and noticed that it includes examples of both link types, so just thought I'd share what I've learned today. For what it's worth:

  • Wikitravel prints as Wikitravel (
  • Wikitravel [2] prints as Wikitravel [2] (
  • Wikitravel [3] prints as Wikitravel [3] (

So for non-listings I think the only advantage of "back"-linking is if you want the "title" part to be bold but you don't want the URL part to follow suit (or vice versa), and you don't mind the redundant-looking [3] part being printed inbetween. ~ 00:45, 21 November 2006 (EST)

Swell. Maybe the Manual of Style should be changed, huh? Until then, frontlinking is a no-go. OldPine 16:04, 22 November 2006 (EST)
You're saying frontlinking is a no-go for non-listings? ~ 16:25, 22 November 2006 (EST)
Nope, not saying that. Missed your "for non-listings" phrase. Probably because I no longer have any interest in this. OldPine 09:19, 23 November 2006 (EST)


How's it going? It's been a while since I've caused your little red dot to blink so I thought I'd say something. -- Andrew H. (Sapphire) 17:58, 23 December 2006 (EST)

Canoe Passage Outfitters[edit]

Hey David, I'm not sure whether I agree with your deletions of blurbs about this outfit from all the Massachusetts towns. Even if the outfitter is not in the town, if its services lead the traveler to/through the town, a listing may be appropriate, because visitors to the town may not know to look in another town's article for the information. I've had to deal with similar situations with various river-running outfits in Colorado and have opted to be inclusive rather than exclusive. OTOH, the listings may be plain old commercial puffery, I just don't know. How connected are these folks to the towns where you've removed the listings? Let's discuss. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 10:35, 13 January 2007 (EST)

Yeah, I dunno, if that's the deal, fine. He can copy it back up and I'll leave it or revert me. OldPine 21:25, 14 January 2007 (EST)

Wikitravel ToC[edit]

Hey David; hope things are going well for you. You had a lot to say about the Wikitravel table of contents last year, and although I'm kind of sad that the option we both liked (ToC in the left nav) is so unpopular, I hope that the new design will be close enough to work for everyone. Can you take a look at the review site (like ) and give me your opinion on ? --Evan 12:54, 5 April 2007 (EDT)

Yet another kudo[edit]

Thanks for the cleanup job on those urls... Maj 16:27, 28 April 2007 (EDT)

Cruise ships[edit]

Since you've taken cruises, maybe you'll have an opinion on whether or not they deserve to be standalone articles. Cheers! -- Sapphire(Talk) • 16:14, 3 May 2007 (EDT)

Thanks for the heads up. I say no, but not strongly enough to wade in. OldPine 16:33, 3 May 2007 (EDT)

Shiny buttons[edit]

Saw your note on User talk:Bill-on-the-Hill#Admin needed - if you'd like access to the vandal-repelling-buttons just give the word, and I suspect there will be a stampede of people tripping over one another in order to nominate you. -- Ryan • (talk) • 22:11, 30 May 2007 (EDT)

Ha! Thanks, Ryan! Um... still holding out I guess. Makes me feel bad I have to bug you guys about it. Hey, I can't believe I came back here at all. It's the disambiguating I think. Somehow it just feels so good. I think VerBeek's gonna kill me though as I dab something and then realize it's 15 towns of less than 2000 people. Oh well, you can't please all of the people all of the time. Anyhow, Sapphire's right, it's crack-like, huh? OldPine 22:18, 30 May 2007 (EDT)
I just cut a line of Wikitravel guides and snorted it. Feels oh so good. -- Sapphire(Talk) • 23:23, 30 May 2007 (EDT)
Ha! Mama warned me about guys like you :} Have you tried toasting them a little before you cut? OldPine 07:34, 31 May 2007 (EDT)
Shh! I'm so screwed if the CNB figures out Wikitravel's addictive potential... Jpatokal 22:31, 31 May 2007 (EDT)

You know, the lines go better with shiny buttons -- care to try a hit yet? -- Colin 23:21, 17 September 2007 (EDT)

I second Colin's question. -- Sapphire(Talk) • 07:34, 18 September 2007 (EDT)
I suppose it would be waay impolite to ignore two of you. I have to admit that I've been close to wanting this a couple of times. You guys certainly could use the help. Not that I don't think you all do a great job, cuz I do. Not sure I'd even measure up. I spent a week or so full bore on edit patrol a while back and found it discouraging. Maybe a lot of admins were away or maybe there's been a lot of dilution with other efforts that are underway... I dunno. I was discouraged that so many edits seemed to go unchecked. Nobody replied to my concerns about the over-30 day auto-patrolling, but it's a concern, still.
I guess you all know my style by now, and with the caveat (or maybe promise?) that it won't change much (in terms of participation in vfd's and other debates)... well, OK, your persistence is rewarded... and thanks for your confidence in me. OldPine 09:54, 18 September 2007 (EDT)
Oh my God! There are two Sapphires now?
For what it's worth, as an admin you are not asked to do anything except what you please. If all you want to do is click the "edit is patrolled" button, that'd be a good use of the admin bit. Or if you just want to occasionally rollback the really blatant stuff, that's fine too. Just as a user isn't required to do anything except what they feel like, an admin can choose to only do the things he likes to do and stay out of any conflicts that don't interest him. So how about a hit now? The first one is free! -- Colin 15:12, 18 September 2007 (EDT)
Say, aren't you from California? Probably just the pass I needed. I'll try to lay back and not burn out. Thanks, Colin. OldPine 15:44, 18 September 2007 (EDT)
See Wikitravel:Administrator_nominations#User:OldPine. Colin, don't insult OldPine. ;) -- Sapphire(Talk) • 15:37, 18 September 2007 (EDT)
Heh. There be no cloning with Mr. Zany. Thanks, again, Andrew. OldPine 15:44, 18 September 2007 (EDT)


I think the reason you found so many instances of snorkelling is the fact that it is actually an accepted (albeit not preferred) spelling of the word... kind of like the ubiquitous-around-here traveller. {shrug} -Todd VerBeek 11:34, 3 June 2007 (EDT)

That possibility occurred to me, but I did not see it listed as an alternate spelling in my online dictionary of choice. (Traveller is listed.) Further, it was in Wikitravel:List of common misspellings. OldPine 14:10, 3 June 2007 (EDT)

Hawaii Volcanoes National Park[edit]

Nice work on Hawaii Volcanoes National Park! You probably know this already, but just in case you don't, everything on [4] is licensed in the public domain unless otherwise noted, so you can copy text, maps, images, etc. freely. The organization of the NPS site drives me insane, but I've found it to be a great source of material when working on other park articles. -- Ryan • (talk) • 17:00, 3 June 2007 (EDT)

Yep, thanks. That's why I love working on these so much :) OldPine 17:13, 3 June 2007 (EDT)


I can't believe I was guilty of this! --Peterfitzgerald Talk 15:50, 5 June 2007 (EDT)

Heh. I've even caught one of my own! OldPine 15:54, 5 June 2007 (EDT)

Mass. drivers[edit]

Hi OldPine -

All the "stay safe" material I've contributed is issues that struck me when I moved from Western Mass to Boston, and now when I visit Mass. from Los Angeles. I wouldn't say it only applies to visitors from other countries.

Of course California drivers are far from perfect. We have our own issues (weaving in and out of traffic, tailgating, road rage, drive-by shootings...). Still, abrupt changes of lane and direction really struck me in Mass., as did running red lights. I'd certainly want a visitor from California to be aware of these things.

RI drivers may have a lot in common with Mass drivers, but I haven't yet noticed the same syndromes in Connecticut or upper New England.

I'd say that yielding pedestrians the right of way varies from place to place. In some parts of L.A., if a pedestrian in a crosswalk makes eye contract with a driver, the driver stops. In other parts of town, it gets more dicey. My recollection of Boston drivers is that when a driver makes eye contact with a pedestrian in a crosswalk it means "geddouda my way!"

I also notice differences in drinking and driving behavior. People in L.A. will have one beer or one glass of wine with dinner and that's it if they will be driving home. In Mass. they'll usually have two or three and hope for the best, I suppose. A visitor from a dry county in the bible belt or Utah might notice this even more! Also in Europe the average DWI threshold is about .05. In Sweden it's .02 and in Slovakia it's anything measurably above zero. Another thing is a major bar/tavern scene in Mass. college towns. Not so much of that out here.

I think the "stay safe" section of United Kingdom did an excellent job. In the U.S. writeups there is more of a tendency to sugarcoat things. I think we need to be more forthcoming.

Cheers, LADave 01:12, 6 June 2007 (EDT)

I certainly don't mind a surfacing of the truth, and I'll admit that I could be hardened to things happening in this are where I've lived all my life. You make good points about there being a lot of colleges and I'm sure the general aggressiveness level is higher among drivers around here than in (say) Bar Harbor. Some people claim that "You have to be that way." to drive effectively in Mass. And truly, when I was last in Boston, it was the pedestrians who took over, refusing to give up the crosswalk to the drivers when the light turned green! Hey, folks just suck. Maybe we should point that out. Naaah.

I do question some of the generalization ("they'll usually have two or three and hope for the best") which may have been more true in the past, or maybe it's a different strata of society than I live in, but we do use designated drivers out here, and most of us really care about maiming and killing our fellow citizens, and especially ourselves. Your anecdotal remarks about lane changing ring somewhat true, but I think tailgating is far more widespread, if less dramatic.

I question what the visiting driver can gain from all this. Any driver needs to be cautious all the time--anywhere. The average driver here doesn't change lanes willy-nilly. A small percentage drive like freakin idiots. We all just try to stay alert, try to keep the blood pressure down to a normal level and not curse too loudly.

Anyhow, you have your (presumably) unbiased opinion and I my larger sample of behavior, so in the wiki way we'll no doubt compromise on something excellent. OldPine 07:16, 6 June 2007 (EDT)

Spelling corrections[edit]

OldPine, thank you for the spelling corrections. In the last few days you've touched several of the articles I monitor, and it's nice to have this systematic improvement. JimDeLaHunt 14:48, 9 June 2007 (EDT)

I appreciate the appreciation. I appreciate all your hard work as well, Jim. OldPine 14:51, 9 June 2007 (EDT)

New search engine[edit]

David: I need some help testing out the new search engine on review:. It's the search plugin that Wikipedia uses; I think it's faster and gives more accurate results than the default one built into MediaWiki. If you get a chance, can you try some sample queries on and give your feedback on shared:Tech:Lucene search? --Evan 12:41, 12 June 2007 (EDT)


Hello David My name is Donald and I would like if you could guide me through wikitravel? I added two new pages could you check them out ty. --ImogenHeap 15:22, 27 June 2007 (EDT)

Sorry, I probably should have left a note here earlier, but I've got a shiny nickel that says User:ImogenHeap and User:Mainer2006 share an IP address with User: -- Ryan • (talk) • 17:07, 27 June 2007 (EDT)

Copy Paste[edit]

That's my motto! Of course I am copying. If you think I am going to retype info., like an address, you b crazy man. Same goes for thngs like airports. I am curious why you added link to wikiencylopedia for airport. No zipcodes OK. By the way where did you find that guideline? If you want to make yourself usefull, I created Mt. Gilead, if it should be Mount Gilead, as I later read, please redirect if appropriate. 2old 14:25, 29 June 2007 (EDT)


NOTE:THE FOLLOWING WAS COPY/PASTED from your message Also, don't list the town in the town's article and almost never use the zip code. Curious:Where did you find that, and what does it mean? 2old 14:38, 29 June 2007 (EDT)

see my reply on your talk page. OldPine 14:47, 29 June 2007 (EDT)

On being awesome...[edit]

The Barnstar of general awesomeness.

I'm continually impressed with the various tasks you take on around here, and the patience and understanding you have in dealing with the other contributors, and so I'll add to your collection of barnstars with one more. We may all be tilting at windmills, and history may forget our names by the time this project is truly superior to the-printed-guides-that-shall-not-be-named, but it's still very cool to see how much things have grown over time. -- Ryan • (talk) • 22:21, 30 June 2007 (EDT)

Here here! OldPine is awesome. --Peter Talk 23:01, 30 June 2007 (EDT)
Coolness! Thanks! OldPine 07:47, 1 July 2007 (EDT)

Reading (disambiguation)[edit]

In general I think the pattern has been that articles with the "(disambiguation)" disambiguator are kept as redirects if they exist. If the Reading (disambiguation) article needs to go for some reason let me know (or post it on the VFD page), otherwise it probably doesn't hurt to keep it as a mostly-useless redirect to the real disambiguation page. -- Ryan • (talk) • 14:09, 7 July 2007 (EDT)

Okey dokey. Thanks. OldPine 14:34, 7 July 2007 (EDT)

your edits in Ia[edit]

I left some comments re your edits in Talk:Ia, can we discuss them right there? Thanks. --DenisYurkin 18:29, 10 July 2007 (EDT)


Admittedly not much of a format guy myself, I appreciate your assistance in organizing and improving the Moorhead page. You're good people. Thanks for the help. Spottacus 04:40, 14 July 2007 (EDT)


Enjoy the cruise. I've never been on an actual buffets-and-entertainment cruise, although I hear they're fun and you return a pants size larger. I'll do my utmost to protect the New England articles from the vandals in your absence :) -- Ryan • (talk) • 21:37, 20 July 2007 (EDT)

I'm sure you're up to it. I actually am a little embarrassed to even call a cruise "travel". It's a pretty sanitized version. Can't eat (or drink) like I used to, and am more committed to exercise to offset the "ass travel" I do daily here. Over and out. OldPine 22:01, 20 July 2007 (EDT)

St. Barthelemy[edit]

Hi Old Pine, I note that you have removed the link to the wedding planners on St Barths. I have been having the following conversation with Peter.

Dear Peter

I have been adding information to the St Barthelemy page (recently registered as Babath) and have remarked that links to accommodation providors have been removed, as such the accomodation section is now blank.

I can tell you that there is no official or not for profit tourism organisations on the island that will contribute, as such this page will have to rely on business owners to grow.

If this is in violation of Wikitravel rules, I'm afraid the page will die.

Best regards


Peter is pretty much in agreement with me

It is my opinion that Wikitravel's policies do not fit resort cities/islands like St Barthelemy well; perhaps it is worth revisiting these policies

If we cannot provide information to wedding planners, who by definition are never primary suppliers, villa rental agencies etc, how is this page going to proceed? Are boat charter companies (not generally owners of the boats) to be excluded as well as aggregators?. If this is to be a useful guide, it will need content.

I hope you understand my point, and we can work together to make this a really useful guide.

Best regards


Above left by --Babath 10:01 2007-AUG-01

Altamonte Springs (Florida)[edit]

I am not certain whether Altamonte Springs in Florida has a unique name, I figured it was "safer" to package it with (Florida). On the other hand, there are many counties that share the same name. Just do a quick search on the Wikipedia sister site and you will see. Gamweb 19:34, 1 August 2007 (EDT)

Replied to on your talk page. It's less serious with the counties as they are referenced less often. Still not good though. OldPine 19:40, 1 August 2007 (EDT)

St. Barthelemy[edit]

Hi OldPine

Many thanks for your reply.

And I take your points.

I will add the two wedding planners on the island, hopefully in the correct format, and following your reply to this message.

While weddings are not applicable to the majority of travellers, they certainly represent a proportion of visitors. The island is small and a party of 80 is significant.

Most visitors are based in the States, as such organising a wedding on the island really does require someone on the ground.

I am interested to note that you regard the Premium IV site as a guide site as they are in effect a DMC specialising in Weddings. The other wedding planner is equally polyvalent. I hope I am ok to proceed.

In any case, weddings are a side issue. I am adding hotels slowly, and would like to add some villa rental agencies, who represent the majority of the accomodation provided on the island.

I hope this is acceptable (?)

I am new to this, and thank you for your guidance.

Kingsville (Ontario[edit]

Did I foul this up with no ) after Ontario? Thought I would ask before going on the the Secret Cities of Ontario. 2old 14:59, 2 August 2007 (EDT)

Yep, I moved it. Should be good to go. OldPine 15:07, 2 August 2007 (EDT)
Thank You! 2old 15:48, 2 August 2007 (EDT)


Should racetracks have their own pages? I am asking about the larger racetracks, about 30 NASCAR tracks around the US. If so, I can start one for Daytona International Speedway.

I don't believe it meets policy per Wikitravel:What is an article. The test is usually whether you can sleep there (at the track). Some may have camping I guess, but as a general rule attractions don't merit their own pages. OldPine 17:55, 4 August 2007 (EDT)

WorldFlicks links[edit]

Hi Oldpine. I think links to WorldFlicks (example) are not contrary to the Wikitravel policy; This is not a map service, nor a personal photo gallery. It is the selection of thousands of users showing the best and most interesting photos of the city. I think it is a perfect source to get a good sense of a city before you visit it. This is exactly the mail goal of Wikitravel! So I will put some links back, but maybe better in a diffent part of the page. I suggest this: put them under 'Do', for example "Visit Berlin (link) , a virtual tour through the city". What do you think? RonaldR 06:30, 9 August 2007 (EDT)

isin -> ispartof[edit]

I don't think there ever was any final decision on this, but I will also prefer to use IsIn once the bugs with it has been fixed. Generally I don't change existing IsIn to IsPartOf; only when I see a problem with the breadcrumb (truncated or not displaying at all) do I change it. --NJR_ZA 16:09, 13 August 2007 (EDT)

Use of the links to Wikipedia[edit]

Hi OldPine,

I'm a new editor on Wikitravel. I have seen that you have removed the links that I had made from the Bunya Mountains National Park page to some Wikipedia articles in the Flora & Fauna section. Did I something wrong ? I thought that it would be interesting for the traveller to find easily some in depth information about those plants and animals...

Please let me know your meaning, and that of the wikitravellers community about this.


Hi again OldPine,

I've read your answer about the use of links to Wikipedia (User_talk:DeepPurple#Wikipedia links), and also the discussion on Wikitravel_talk:Links_to_Wikipedia. I'm really disappointed by this policy. As a reader of an article on Wikitravel, Wikipedia or any other site, what I think interesting on the Web are the links between all those articles. If I don't like those links, I better read a book ! If this restrictive and protective policy against Wikipedia links is really applied, I think I'll quit the Wikitravel project.


Sorry you feel that way. OldPine 13:24, 15 August 2007 (EDT)

Vermilion - Vermillion[edit]

Is spelled with two ll's, please correct to one l. Thanks again. Spelling and thinking, kinda like chewing gum and walking at the same time for me. (Difficult.) 2old 16:33, 15 August 2007 (EDT)


Sorry about ruining your hard work on Kissimmee -- but I couldn't find any office directions for those agencies. -- Colin 23:19, 17 September 2007 (EDT)


As requested I have uploaded it to shared. It is in Category Cape Elizabeth in Maine. -- Tom Holland (xltel) 15:23, 18 September 2007 (EDT)

Corey Dillion[edit]

See, now I had no problem with the Pats until Corey Dillion.... But that's a Cincinnati-Dillon beef, not Cincinnati-Pats beef. Unfortunately, now most Cincinnati fans will root against the Pats, just to see Dillon lose. By the way, we're playing you next week. Depending on who wins, I may withdraw your nomination as an administrator. ;) -- Sapphire(Talk) • 20:02, 23 September 2007 (EDT)

Now that's just plain dirty... but it would be a swell way to evade the clutches of WT once again ;). I think the fourteen days are up by gametime anyways. I'll just have to try an end around! We lost Dillon to somewhere, but I can't say I follow things close enough to even know where. Injury I think. Don't know diddly about other teams really, either, but I do like to watch the games. OldPine 20:42, 23 September 2007 (EDT)
Hey, before I reply, I want to make sure you sent the email and not "O-"capital eye"-dPine did not. Thanks. -- Sapphire(Talk) • 11:53, 28 September 2007 (EDT)
That phoney-baloney? Can't we block that account or something? I nabbed it on fr: and redirected to me. Anyhow, yes, the e was me. OldPine 11:59, 28 September 2007 (EDT)