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Also, thanks for improving the Gunbarrel Highway article. I have one question, though. I see that you converted some numbers to words (e.g. "16" -> "sixteen"). Is there an accepted rule for this in English? (Like, say, from 0 to 20 and then 30, 40, etc... are written as words, and everything else as numbers.) DhDh 15:13, 28 Nov 2003 (PST)

Yes, the rule is that if a sentence begins with a number it should be spelt out. The exception to this is years. It is ok for a sentence to begin:
2001 was the dawn of a new millennium.
The rule applies even to long numbers, but there is another rule that says you should try to reword the sentence so that it does not start with a long number.
838 Wikitravel articles have been written. - Wrong.
Eight hundred and thirty-eight Wikitravel articles have been written. - Better but still not good.
There have been 838 Wikitravel articles written. - Best.
As to when you should spell out numbers that are not at the start of the sentence, this varies from one style manual to another. Some say spell out one to nine. Others one to ten. Some say one to ninety-nine. Some say to do it differently depending on the context. I think ten should be spelt as ten is only one more character than 10. I have my own idiosyncratic view that we should spell out one to twelve. Why? Because they are unique words. After twelve the numbers are -teen, -ty and combination numbers (except for the round ones like hundred, thousand etc.) Nurg.
If a sentence begins with two numbers connected by a conjunction (or "to", as in "Eight to 12"), and one is written in digits and the other is spelled out, it looks weird. Spell both out or write both as digits. -phma 11:16, 9 Dec 2003 (PST)

Time format[edit]

I responded to your note on Wikitravel:attraction listings. --Evan 10:13, 26 Dec 2003 (PST)

Bold Terms[edit]

Thanks for adding your comments about bolding the first appearance of the title of an article that you put on my talk page. Huttite 03:54, 12 Mar 2004 (EST)


See Talk:Australasia for an answer to your question and action I have taken. -- Huttite 05:54, 22 Mar 2004 (EST)

I will try to answer your question on my talk page soon. Right now I really don't have the time for it. Sorry! Dhum Dhum Akubra 17:57, 22 Mar 2004 (EST)

I have answered your question on Talk:Australasia. Dhum Dhum Akubra 11:30, 24 Mar 2004 (EST)


Hi, I've noticed you've been editing Leeds a lot. I have placed a listing in the sleep section - we have a number of locations in the city though so couldn't 'fit' the site into budget, mid-range or splurge - so created a different listing under Self Catering. I noticed there is another serviced apartment in splurge and was thinking should I move this into self catering to or leave it where it was?

Our customised listings engine[edit]

G'Day, Nurg!

You've been around even longer than me; where can I find and edit our customised listings engine, please?

You know, the one that, if one wants to add a new listing, one clicks on the blue [add listing] part next to the appropriate section header of See, Do, Buy, Eat, Drink or Sleep and a box pops up where one can easily enter the listing details. --118dot93dot73dot30 22:49, 13 April 2013 (EDT)

I have no idea, sorry. Nurg (talk) 05:38, 14 April 2013 (EDT)
Thanks for the prompt reply - it's often almost as useful to have a fast negative response. Did you never think of being an admin here? --118dot93dot73dot30 07:48, 14 April 2013 (EDT)

Admin nom[edit]

Following 118's question in prev topic

I have thought about being an admin but have never bothered to apply because:

  1. There seemed to be plenty of active admins (not so much now).
  2. I don't want to be under an obligation to use the admin tools. Wikitravel:Administrators refers to "the job of administration". While I would be happy to have the admin tools, I don't want the burden of a job. Nurg (talk) 05:25, 15 April 2013 (EDT)
I've changed "job" to "rôle" now (the job part was Inas's edit and kind of crept in accidentally a couple of years back without discussion or notice), so may I nominate you? Because of your time zone you may be able to catch stuff that folks based in the US and Europe may miss for several hours... --118dot93dot73dot30 06:48, 15 April 2013 (EDT)
I am happy to be nominated. Nurg (talk) 07:46, 15 April 2013 (EDT)
Hi Nurg! I was happy to see your nomination as an admin! [1] Congratulations! I am happy to support your nomination. Thank you for all the time you have been with us and all your edits! Let me ask you, how familiar are you with administrating the site? Would you need some help? Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 16:54, 18 April 2013 (EDT)
Hi Alex. I am an admin on two other wikis that use MediaWiki software. One is a small wiki that I use in my professional life and where I have mainly been deleting spam pages & blocking spammers for several years. So I think I can do the basics, or figure out how to do things. Otherwise I will proceed cautiously and just ask for help if I need it. Nurg (talk) 21:09, 18 April 2013 (EDT)
Thank you, Nurg! Great to hear that. All the best, IBAlex (talk) 14:05, 19 April 2013 (EDT)

I'd appreciate your input here at User_talk:IBAlex#Blocking_users_from_editing_their_own_talk_page, Nurg. --118dot93dot73dot30 22:08, 19 April 2013 (EDT)

Nurg, your admin rights were just granted! Congratulations! We are happy to welcome you in the administrator's team. One big request to you- when you delete spam pages, please always remember to block the user who created them (block user accounts indefinitely and IP addresses for 3 months). Please let me know if you need some assistance. I am here to help. Happy patrolling! Warm regards, IBAlex (talk) 14:48, 30 April 2013 (EDT)

Temporary protection request for Bouvet Island[edit]

Odd as it may seem, Bouvet Island is the current target for IP (and new account) vandalism. Would you protect this version for 10 days from edits by folks who are not Autoconfirmed users please? --W. Franke-mailtalk 09:47, 17 May 2013 (EDT)

Hi Frank! Thanks for reporting that! I have blocked all the vandals and I'm watching this page now. I will put the protection on this page if the vandalism attack happens again. Thanks! IBAlex (talk) 13:29, 17 May 2013 (EDT)


Thanks for responding to my plea in the Pub and sorting out the breadcrumb display! --Ttcf (talk) 19:12, 18 March 2014 (EDT)

Thank you, Nurg[edit]

for all the weeding you've been doing recently! 13:16, 26 May 2015 (EDT)

Your assistance required on the Texas page[edit]

Diablo234 is deleting various items from the page claiming "inaccurate info" although I told him you have to be able to prove it's wrong and he refuses but continues to remove info at random be a troll. Just because someone has an opinion doesn't make it fact. If you can't prove it's wrong it stays up until you have a source backing up your words, that only makes sense right? We've been in an edit war and I've been struggling to preserve the page from his vandalism. Please help. Thanks64.121.83.151 22:51, 8 September 2015 (EDT)

I don't have a problem with what Diablo234 did. Nurg (talk) 05:51, 9 September 2015 (EDT)

This was my response to the above user. 22:51, 8 September 2015 (EDT)

The entire section you added/edited was horribly inaccurate and to claim that the entire state is somehow homophobic is idiotic at best when there are several gay elected officials currently serving in various capacities within the local government. Anyways here is my proof since you asked.

Houston elects first openly gay mayor

Gay Hispanic woman elected Dallas sheriff

TIME: The Lavender Heart of Texas

People come to Wikitravel to gain access to accurate information, what changes you made were just borderline trolling to say the least and defeats the whole purpose of this site (and I suspect you probably have not lived in or even visited Texas enough to give an accurate portrayal on that topic). Anyways I gave my reasons already so if you make any changes to that article again with out discussing it with me or other people further I will report you to the admins.Diablo234 (talk) 02:43, 9 September 2015 (EDT)

Welcome Back![edit]

We're happy to see you back on Wikitravel and wanted to drop by to say hello :) Also, I noticed that you recently archived some 2016 Traveller's pub content and wanted to find out why. I trust your judgement since you're a seasoned user, but we also wanted to keep that content until 2016 was over. But again, we're glad to see you back! IBkataoka (talk) 18:59, 9 September 2016 (EDT)

Hi. The instructions for archiving (before they were deleted without explanation in the edit summary) said that conversations could be archived when they had been dormant for a month. I was more conservative than that, and archived only ones that had been dormant for 3 months, which is what the policy was until 3 years ago. Even then, I left "Re: Appearance of external links / Front-Linked listings", because even though there had been no comment for over 3 months, the question had not actually been answered. The reason for archiving is that if a conversation has not been added to for 3 months, then usually there is no further interest in adding to it, and it is just clutter in the pub. So, that is why I archived.
I don't think I was aware of a policy to keep old conversations until the year is over. Where is the policy or discussion about that? Cheers, Nurg (talk) 02:10, 10 September 2016 (EDT)

Happy Holidays[edit]

Hi Nurg! Me again :-) Just wanted to say thank you for your generous and continuous contributions to Wikitravel. We're glad to have people like you in our Wikitravel community. To express our appreciation, we'd like to send you a small holiday gift. If you are interested, please reach me at mayu.kataoka (at) and provide me with an address I can send your gift to! Hope you are having a good holiday season. --IBkataoka (talk) 20:17, 28 November 2016 (EST)

Removing City Names[edit]

Hi Nurg, I noticed that you removed the names of several cities in a few of the Florida pages. I was just wondering why?Ncahill (talk) 11:53, 17 January 2018 (EST)

Hi. Having the name of a city, but no article or other info about it, is no practical value to a traveller. Nurg (talk) 04:35, 19 January 2018 (EST)

Hey there![edit]

Hey Nurg! Friendly "hello" from one of the newer admins here on Wikitravel! Noticed you've been a veteran contributor and just thought I should introduce myself. Also saw how you took the time to make a to our New Zealand page- you have a sharp eye! If you have any questions, suggestions or just want to chat, feel free to reach out to me on my [[User Talk:IB_Hill|talk page). Would love to hear from you! :) -- IB hill (talk) 14:15, 4 April 2018 (EDT)IB_Hill