User talk:NJR ZA/Archive
Some great contributions! — Ravikiran 11:13, 11 November 2006 (EST)
Welcome and wiki markup
I see no one has properly welcome you so here's the standard welcome:
Welcome to Wikitravel. You can edit your preferences to change how the software works for you. Please take a second to look at our copyleft and policies and guidelines, but feel free to plunge forward and edit some pages. Scanning the Manual of style, especially the article templates, can give you a good idea of how we like articles formatted. If you're new to our wiki software, MediaWiki, look at the Wiki markup to get an idea of how to edit a page. If you need help, check out the help desk, and if you need some info not on there, post a message in the travellers' pub.
I've also noticed that you're somewhat new to wikis so I want to recommend that you use colons (:) when replying to people because this will indent your comments. For example:
Hi, Thanks for all the great work on Appleton, New York! -- ~~~~ :Thanks a lot, but I'm not finished yet! -- ~~~~ ::Well thanks for turning it into a better guide! -- ~~~~
That will show up like this (notice the indentation):
Thanks for all the great work on Appleton, New York! -- Sapphire 12:30, 11 November 2006 (EST)
Lastly, when you leave comments for someone always sign your name by typing four tildes (~) like this: ~~~~. This will leave your signature and a time stamp like this: -- Sapphire 12:30, 11 November 2006 (EST)
Hi Nick, I started a district section on the Jo'burg page, and have listed Soweto under Region six. However, I'm not sure that these politically designated districts are the best way to divide up the city in terms of providing info for visitors. So, please feel free to change as you feel appropriate. Thanks. WindHorse 10:51, 12 November 2006 (EST)
South African phone numbers
You left this message on my talk page. My answer is below WindHorse 06:30, 13 November 2006 (EST)
I notice that you have changed the phone numbers for Soweto. Note that South Africa is changing to manditory 10 digit dialing. +27 11 123 4567 will be a valid number when phoning for outside South Africa, but internal call will require you to dial 011 123 4567, even when in the same city. Dialing just 123 4567 still works at the moment, but will not work after 16 January 2007. See this notice from Telkom for deta
Fantastic work with Wikitravel! You've made alot of really good edits - we really appreciate your help! Also I see you beat me to the World Cup 2010 map! I have been meaning to do that one for a long long time.
I noticed that in the World Cup 2010 page that you have been adding a load of information about clubs etc. Basically we're trying to keep it a travel guide, so whilst it's okay putting a bit of information like that on here, we don't want to go too far down that route! For an idea of what should be in a Sports event page, check out World Cup 2006 - we basically need to fill out all the sections that I put in earlier on with practical info like good places to visit/stay whilst your there etc etc. -- Tim 12:24, 14 November 2006 (EST)
I noticed you put contact numbers next to the camp listings in the KNP article. I think the best place for putting all the nitty gritty details like that should be in the actual camp pages. There's not much of a precedent for doing things this way on Wikitravel, because KNP is (as far as I am aware) the most developed of the safari park guides we have on Wikitravel, but I was treating the camps as districts but with small city templates... On the KNP article I think that all we really need next to the list of camps is a brief sentence on the kind of accomodation and facilities available and maybe a bit on what animals to see there and maybe if there's an amazing bush walk on offer there then that as well. It should stay brief and anyone who is interested can go to the camp page and get all the info they would need there.
I reverted the edit where you put the phone numbers next to all the camps, but I added back in all the other changes you made in that edit.
As for Camps in the Kruger National Park I didn't even notice that was there when I was blitzing the KNP article (which I never really finished!) It's definitely duplicated info and the fact that I didn't even realise it was there whilst I was going through and editting the KNP article means that it probably wouldn't be found by anyone casually using Wikitravel. I'd vfd it, but before that we could do with getting any info that's not on Kruger National Park or the various camp pages transferred.
I wanted to point out that Wikitravel doesn't believe in Wikipedia's NPOV philosophy, because Wikitravel is not an encyclopedia. Wikitravel, as a travel guide, has a POV and that's the traveller's POV. For the most part Lonely Planet has the same POV that we do and if a spade is a spade then we call it a spade. I'm not saying Lonely Planet is not always right, but Robertson is a dull town then we need to say so or at the very least be honest and say something along the lines of 'Robertson isn't an interesting town, but may be worth an hour's visit or two.' I guess it comes down to this - we sometimes want to make something NPOV, but we shouldn't, because we're trying to be useful and if a travel guide is unbiased then it, well, sucks. -- Andrew H. (Sapphire) 15:52, 1 December 2006 (EST)
Mozambique - what region???
Hey there Nick, I also agree you do some nice work! I'm working on Mozambique these days, and noticed that on the Southern Africa page (and the map you made) it's included in that region, and on the main Africa page it's included in East Africa. Personally I vote for East Africa (but not very loudly), but one way or another it should be consistent... I'm not a map maker, can you maybe fix your map (or the other one if you disagree with me). Thanks! P.S... what app do you use for mapmaking, I've been traveling for quite some time now but will be home in a couple months and want to start getting my fingers into that... Cacahuate 09:54, 18 December 2006 (EST)
So, first of all, once again thanks for the awesome job you're doing on Wikitravel. I'm concerned about the way you're using Wikitravel:Listings for activities like skydiving. Can we discuss this on Wikitravel talk:Attraction listings? I think there are some alternatives. --10:29, 12 January 2007 (EST)
Hiker that I am, I've been watching your development of this article with interest, and I think it may be a good candidate for testing our incipient cooperation with WikiOutdoors. I think they're having a bit of a hard time getting off the ground; developing some articles there out of what you've done here would be a service to both Wikis and their readers. Check the place out and see what makes sense. (Note that their CC-by-SA license is such that images uploaded here should be transparently usable there, but not vice versa.) I personally would very much like to see such development, as South Africa is on my want-to-visit-before-I-die list. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 21:04, 19 January 2007 (EST)
Good job, yet again
You're still doing great! It's great to see someone working so hard on maps, since it's such a needed part of WT that's often missing... I'll be following your lead soon when I get back home to a laptop! ::: Cacahuate 10:04, 20 January 2007 (EST)
You've done some great work around here, so I'm wondering if you'd be interested in getting a few extra buttons. The difference between admins and normal users is fairly small - the distinction is basically that you've proven that you can be trusted with the delete and ban buttons, and that you understand how things work around here fairly well. If you'd be interested please let me know, and I'll be happy to nominate you. -- Ryan 14:42, 21 January 2007 (EST)
Cleanup of Cape Town
Just letting you know I reverted the edit on Talk:Cape Town where you deleted the reasons you did a clean up, because (even though its done) it could be useful for future editors to see the reasons why you cleaned up the article and what you thought should be there. I added a little note to say that on the page. Cape Town can't be far off star level at the moment - it could do with a bit more info on certain listings, and it could also do with a map, if you're up for doing one! Might nominate it for DotM if it hasn't already been that. -- Tim 13:28, 22 January 2007 (EST)
Sorry, I reverted to the wrong version; it's supposed to be "Other destinations" with a small d. Jpatokal 00:03, 6 February 2007 (EST)
Thank you for your message. O.K. Now I can understand what you want concerning the Shared:Category:Südafrika. I have no intention to disturb your work any more (please go ahead). But after your work will have completed, would you please delete that unusable category (or perhaps I can do for you if you will tell me)?--Shoestring 07:30, 7 February 2007 (EST)
Just saw your articles on WikiOutdoors. Thanks for contributing and please do let us know how we can improve the experience. We're trying hard to make it easy for folks to share their knowledge about the outdoors. Happy hiking this weekend! Kirasw 12:38, 10 February 2007 (EST)
Did you find the template was easy enough to use? The biggest problem I see is finding information to fill the values out with. Though you may be able to find something on NOAA. Did you notice any problems or whatnot? -- Sapphire 08:00, 16 February 2007 (EST)
Hey there Nick! It seems like we're maybe heading in the direction of needing WT style maps for National Parks to be promoted to Star Status... Yosemite National Park is already at Star, but has an NPS map... just wondering if you have a little time you might be able to WTify it... it doesn't look like a horribly complicated one, and will possibly save the page from being destarred... since you're once of the current mapmasters and all - Cacahuate 03:18, 18 February 2007 (EST)
Got the initial map ready for Yosemite, tomorrow I'll add the trails, camps and additional annotation and it should be at least as good as the NPS map. Then we can start looking at what is missing and how we can improve it. This one was done by hand, I'm still looking for tools that can do a good job converting those NPS shapefiles to SVG that Inkscape can use. --NJR_ZA 15:39, 18 February 2007 (EST)
That's an awesome map -- thank you! A few suggestions: it's "June Lake" not Lakes. If it doesn't clutter the map too much, El Portal is located on 140 immediately outside the Park border. The winter closure of 120 should be located about between two-thirds of the distance from the Park border to 395 (so closer to 395 than the Park). Cheers! -- Colin 15:56, 19 February 2007 (EST)
King of Maps
You've done an awesome job with your maps, but given the "give a man a fish, you feed him for a day; teach him to fish you feed him for a lifetime" principle, I daresay your work on Wikitravel:How to draw a map is even better. I suspect that by the time you're finished even someone as Inkscape-challenged as myself could draw a map, so following the Wikitravel tradition of rewarding hard work with virtual stickers, here's a barnstar for you. Cheers, and thanks! -- Ryan 02:27, 21 February 2007 (EST)
Great job on the Zion maps! They are really well done. But I wanted to point out something on your Zion Canyon map. I know its just an initial map and it's not finished, but you're missing the Weeping Rock shuttle stop. That's a big attraction, so be sure not to miss it.
Also, the black/grey dot that represents Springdale, I know it's normal to use that for towns, but I think it might be a little unnecessary to use it for such a close-up map, and I think it looks just a little obstructive.
But other than that, they're fantastic! I look forward to seeing the finished map! PerryPlanet 17:27, 22 February 2007 (EST)
Re: Carlow map
Hey there! I started the map before I noticed the template, and I was wondering how to go about including items and symbols on it. I was delighted when I noticed the template, and found it very easy to use. The only thing that was noticably absent was a Police (Garda) Station symbol, and when I deleted the template from the file first time round, it also deleted all the icons on the map. I didn't notice this and saved the file, meaning I had to put all the symbols back in again, but that's a problem with the program I'd imagine, not sure if there's anything that can be improved on there. Otherwise, it was handy enough and made the job much easier than it would have been, so thanks a mil! Alan1989 20:21, 23 February 2007 (EST)
Hey man.....Thanx. Sorry only saying hi now but took me this long to figure out how to do it.
Yeah, I was in the Stander movie. Played his lawyer in court.....(but ended up on the editing floor.)
Hi, I'm jus' curious...
This isn't related to any particular article, I just want to know something. You mentioned something about a country with 11 official languages on Andrew (Sapphire) 's talk page. Were you refering to South Africa, your home country? I never realized that it had 11 official languages. Could you just post a list of all 11 on my talk page  if this is the case. I'm kinda interested in linguistics. Thanks Upamanyuwikitravel 09:12, 3 March 2007 (EST)
Kuwait - Mistake
Oh sorry, I didn't mean to lose the Eat section! I only meant to lose the word pervert I must have done a full revert! Sorry :S --MiddleEastern 17:07, 5 March 2007 (EST)
Hey, I've just about given up on creating a map for my hometown, the lovely Cincinnati, could I ask that if I give you a satellite image of the downtown area that you get the streets and everything laid out? If you send it back to me I can fill in all the sights/do/eat stuff. -- Sapphire • (Talk) • 03:06, 6 March 2007 (EST)
The image which was givin' trouble
Thnks for helping out (Sacred sites of India is what I'm referring to). With regard to images and other links, when do I need to use a space ( ) and when should I use an underscore(__) ?? Any idea... Upamanyuwikitravel • ( Talk ) • ( Travel ) • 08:41, 8 March 2007 (EST)
Otheruses is not used for articles named Foo (Region). It's only used on articles named Foo which are not disambiguation pages. See Wikitravel:Article naming conventions. And thanks for all your hard work! -- Colin 00:02, 9 March 2007 (EST)
Hi, I've sent this image to VfD as it seems to be blatantly from a brochure, any thoughts? Can images like that be speedy deleted instead? --MiddleEastern 11:51, 9 March 2007 (EST)
If you're going to be on a while will you keep reverting anything that comes from this IP (126.96.36.199) or any edits that delete or portions or entire pages? -- Sapphire • (Talk) • 02:29, 19 March 2007 (EDT)
We've generally been pretty easy-going and hands-off with regards to user pages, so I've reverted the blanking of User:Property-in-bulgaria. It might be worthwhile to get a conversation going about how to handle advertising on user pages - I don't think any such discussion exists, although I just looked at Wikitravel:User page help. -- Ryan (talk) 12:49, 20 March 2007 (EDT)
Pretty major vandalism!
Thanks for helping out- if you keep an eye on pages that are being vandalised and revert them, I'll go through and block the ip adresses that keep on vandalising. -- Tim 11:28, 21 March 2007 (EDT)
Hey Nick, just a reminder: when you use the shiny new buttons to delete things after Wikitravel:Votes for deletion have run their course, make sure to move the discussion from that article to the archive page. (See Wikitravel:Votes for deletion/Archives and go from there to the appropriate sub-page for the current month.) That'll help the rest of the admins keep track of what has and hasn't been dealt with. Thanks for the help with the VFDs! -- Bill-on-the-Hill 17:21, 30 March 2007 (EDT)
Hey there! Good work (in progress) on the map! FYI, it's Margao, not Margoa...
Also, I just created the North / South divisions so that hopefully we can just get rid of Beaches in Goa, since it's not really going to help us in anyway... Anyhow, if you feel like adding the divisions, here's the WP map - not sure if you'd just want to add the north and south division, or actually put all 11 divisions in... but I leave that you :) – cacahuate talk 21:02, 18 April 2007 (EDT)
Hey there! I finally made my first attempt at a map... your criticism highly encouraged... let me know what I may have done wrong or could do better when you've got a sec. – cacahuate talk 06:37, 26 April 2007 (EDT)
Isn't Long Island in New York? -- Fastestdogever 15:30, 28 April 2007 (EDT)
Hey there! I think Uganda should be in East Africa rather than Central... WP agrees, as does the latest contributor who added it to the country list on EA... or do you disagree? – cacahuate talk 03:05, 30 April 2007 (EDT)
Hey Nick, you mentioned a while back that my maps would benefit from reducing the border (line) widths. I have traced a nice svg path for West Virginia#Regions, but the widths are uneven and too wide. Do you know how to reduce path width in Inkscape? --Peterfitzgerald Talk 20:26, 1 May 2007 (EDT)
Aha! I think I've figured out what is giving me trouble. My trace gave me an object comprised of filled paths, rather than stroked paths. So I would have to edit things like path width manually, node by node. How do I get an object with simple stroked paths from a trace? Or can I somehow convert my filled path object to a stroked path object? --Peterfitzgerald Talk 18:55, 2 May 2007 (EDT)
Wow! Your looks really good! Autotrace sounds like it could save a ton of time, especially for such a large trace as Russia. Potrace was really unusable for maps.
Would you do me a favor and look over my first real regions map and let me know if you have any suggestions/criticism. Here is the svg base: and the output png is on West Virginia. Thanks so much for all your help with this—I think I'm finally getting the hang of vector graphics! --Peterfitzgerald Talk 14:59, 3 May 2007 (EDT)
South (United States) map
I just caught this since I was translating the map, but you seemed to have included Lake Michigan in the Southern U.S. Would you fix that? I would, but I'm pretty pissed off with my idiocy and Inkscape at the moment. -- Sapphire • (Talk) • 17:12, 3 May 2007 (EDT)
Discussion moved to Wikitravel_talk:How_to_draw_a_map#Asia_map
I have seen you used the regionlist template in the Africa article. I have been searching for it, but did not find it. Can you please give me a link to it? Cheers --Fluglotse2000 13:30, 7 May 2007 (EDT)
Nice work on the regionlist template, it is a lot more versatile now. I noticed that for United States of America#Regions you used colors that are not strictly html safe. Is this ok to do? If so, that would make my life easier. --Peterfitzgerald Talk 15:26, 2 June 2007 (EDT)
Nick, I think you may have been premature in deleting this. Ski resorts are another topic where there are exceptions to the rules as regards "what is an article?", owing to the possibility that the resort itself may be the most significant thing in the vicinity. See, for example, the discussion at Talk:Colorado -- Colorado is a place full of ski resorts, some of which definitely deserve their own articles, while others may not. I'd recommend that this article go through the usual VFD process and garner some comments before a decision is made. I've restored it, and will nominate for VFD. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 10:03, 8 May 2007 (EDT)
As a result of a discussion on Wikitravel talk:Copyleft I was wondering if you'd be so kind as to un-license your contributions to Image:Wikitravel-map-template.svg and release it to the public domain? This would make creating maps from templates easier, because as a technicality we'd currently need to attribute you and Jani in any and all maps. Also, did you use any other works from other authors from whom we'd need to gain permission to release the template into the PD? Thanks. -- Sapphire • (Talk) • 23:11, 11 May 2007 (EDT)
Hey Nick, I just made my first city map, using your new symbols. Would you mind taking a look at it to make sure I haven't made any missteps. Also, I would like to put in some internet cafes, but am not sure where to stick those on a city map. --Peterfitzgerald Talk 20:35, 23 May 2007 (EDT)
Good stuff, but will do very little for the average traveler. I guess Texas cities are different, but nobody stays down town. In fact, I rarely go to a "down town" unless the town is tiny. Sure I should do it myself, but I don't have time for it, just to ramble. :) Jordanmills 16:40, 29 May 2007 (EDT)
Thanks so much for adding the Brass Rail to the Allentown article. However, do note this from the page on "how to edit a page"|:
Destination of the month
Greetings I have made a proposal on Wikitravel:Destination of the Month candidates for changing the time slot for featuring Rietvlei Nature Reserve as OTBP. Could you take a look and offer some comments. Thanks a lot. I appreciate it WindHorse 12:03, 14 June 2007 (EDT)
Seven new wonders
Thanks for adding the new list to the front page, but it should be the Taj Mahal in Agra, India. The page is locked, and so I cannot add the info myself. Could you do the honors. Thanks. WindHorse 04:37, 8 July 2007 (EDT)
Hello my name is ALexandra from Greece and I was hopeing if you could edit my portugal brazil and us pages thank you. --Alexandra 19:20, 14 July 2007 (EDT)
with jericho, ky --Wainwright 12:11, 15 July 2007 (EDT)
... for resolving the redirects I've overlooked... There was a special page with a listing of double redirects but unfortunately I cannot find it any more!? --Flip666 writeme! • 14:25, 4 August 2007 (EDT)
isin -> ispartof
I noticed you changed one of my IsIn adds to IsPartOf. Is there policy on this yet or is it your preference? When I try to chase down the answer, I find dead ends that basically yield no answer as to which to use and I end up feeling like Cacahuate... that IsIn is just easier to type in. Seems like concensus was toward making both work. OldPine 16:00, 13 August 2007 (EDT)
... for your contributions to User:Flip666/offroad driving. Would be great if you could keep an eye on it, correcting my grammar and things that might not be wrong but sound weird to a native speaker! --Flip666 writeme! • 17:27, 15 August 2007 (EDT)
Kudos on your incredible restraint. Frankly, I don't understand why we suffer these fools at all. OldPine 10:56, 7 October 2007 (EDT)
Meat market picture removed on Port Louis
I wonder why you removed my picture of the meat market in Port Louis. Can you explain it ? Thanks.
--DeepPurple 13:36, 14 October 2007 (EDT)
OK, I understand that's because there are some people on it. A pity, as it gave a good idea about the market.
--DeepPurple 15:13, 14 October 2007 (EDT)
Hi I was very pleased to find a topic about my tiny homeland :).. However I was wondering about Xlendi and Marsalforn, these are summer residence areas, basically deserted during the other three seasons, would that qualify them as cities? And what about Imgarr? It is not even a village, it is only the name of the local harbor and it forms part of the village of Ghajnsielem.
As a Gozitan, born and bred on the island I can confirm that we only have one city here, that of Victoria, or as we refer to it, Rabat, all the other villages are classified as such... With a total population of 28000 people, Gozo could not really have two cities! Even Rabat with it's 6000 inhabitants could scarcely be classified as a city itself, but it is the capital of the island.
Keep up the good work :)
Rudythebear 17:10, 21 November 2007 (EST)
Hi - thanks for the welcome! Stupid question - The Enna page (and others) isn't linked from the Sicily page. I guess we can't link every place from the Country pages, but have you got any suggestions..
LGBT travel VFD
Thanks. Yours was the well reasoned response to that clown that I was hoping someone would write. I doubt if it'll shut him up, but one can hope...
BTW, see the latest change in Wikitravel talk:Community policies. That guy seems to be using open proxies for this vandalism. Perhaps the necessary policy change isn't about vandalism per se, but rather open-proxy use. Wikipedia has had to bar it, because of exactly the same problem we're having here. I don't fully understand open-proxy issues, so informed opinions would be useful. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 17:56, 25 November 2007 (EST)
Thanks for the Oberndorf disambiguator. Small reminder: it's good to add a reference to such disambiguators to Wikitravel:Links to disambiguating pages, to reduce the number of orphaned pages floating around. I've taken the liberty. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 13:52, 11 December 2007 (EST)
Is it possible that Beira Alta, Beira Baixa, & Beira Litoral should be merged into Beiras - and that Beiras doesn't need any sub-regions (for now at least) - ? ~ 188.8.131.52 03:12, 8 January 2008 (EST)
Calendar of events and festivals
Did you see Talk:Calendar of events and festivals#Specific / Fixed / Movable - dates merger? ~ 184.108.40.206 15:55, 24 January 2008 (EST)
moved to here from User talk:220.127.116.11
Please do not add additional articles under vfd listing you have already created. It makes it very difficult to archive them when doing speedy deletions. Rather list them as new listings at the bottom. --Nick 15:53, 29 January 2008 (EST)
Re your last batch of reverts & speedy deletions - the alleurohotels URL has been added/reverted many times before, and they're ignoring Talk page requests to desist - alleurohotels\.com needs adding to the Blacklist. ~ 18.104.22.168 08:42, 30 January 2008 (EST)
Here's the full set from that particular spammer:
Image:Typical carpet shop in Baku.JPG|
Why did you remove image? --Nbumbic 06:59, 1 March 2008 (EST)
I actually don't know -- usually pages are just protected indefinitely and unprotected when things cool off. Jpatokal 07:41, 18 March 2008 (EDT)
How Are You? --Romeoenchanted 03:40, 6 May 2008 (EDT)
And yes, we definitely should pool our resources on this! Jpatokal 09:16, 8 May 2008 (EDT)
Just thought it was time for another well deserved pat on the back. WTG --OldPine 14:10, 10 July 2008 (EDT)
Thank you, Nick!
I've lived in and around Hackettstown practically my whole life. I have traveled some in the past, but right now I'm pretty stationary. My brother is traveling all over South America right now. Last year he went all over Africa and the year before that he did Asia and Australia.
I just was bored tonight and decided to add a whole lot of stuff to where I live right now (Hackettstown).
Who knows, maybe the local businesses will do better because somebody will have seen what I wrote.
I have tinkered on Wikipedia in the past, but this Wikitravel is like a whole new territory.
was that deleted? Travelmeta 13:30, 22 August 2008 (EDT)
I've been using your template on the Russian version, and have noticed that the entered "regionmaptext" does not display (see ru:Грузия for an example, if you can figure out what's going on through all the Cyrillic). Is there something I forgot to do when localizing it? Another template that I needed to import? --Peter Talk 14:28, 6 September 2008 (EDT)
Gets me around psych-travelling and learning about places. Really one of the great things about Wikitravel--especially for those like me that are timid travellers. Some really good articles in that area! OldPine 14:17, 7 September 2008 (EDT)
could you take the time or someone else and look at my contributions? ty --RhinestoneRiver 01:17, 16 October 2008 (EDT)